---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/13/07: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Scott Moser) 2. 06:15 AM - Jab 3300 - Stumble during mag check solution (charles.long@gm.com) 3. 06:38 AM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (Kevin Kinney) 4. 07:35 AM - Re: 701 nose gear (ricklach) 5. 08:07 AM - On Top (Jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 7. 08:36 AM - Flange Tweaking Tool (Debo Cox) 8. 08:49 AM - Re: Jab 3300 - Stumble during mag check solution (japhillipsga@aol.com) 9. 09:00 AM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (Tim Juhl) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting (Mack Kreizenbeck) 11. 09:23 AM - Re: On Top (Larry Winger) 12. 09:35 AM - Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting (Tim Juhl) 13. 10:39 AM - Fuel selector fittings (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 11:03 AM - Re: On Top (David Downey) 15. 11:25 AM - Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting (LarryMcFarland) 16. 12:15 PM - Jab 3300 - mag stumble solution (Jeff Small) 17. 12:32 PM - Sentimental Journey at Cub Haven (Jeff Small) 18. 12:54 PM - Re: 601 xl wing skins (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 19. 12:56 PM - Garmin Foretrex 101 (Ken Arnold) 20. 01:02 PM - Re: On Top (Larry Winger) 21. 01:05 PM - Electrical Connectors (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 22. 01:13 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (John Davis) 23. 01:18 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (Craig Payne) 24. 01:31 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (Michael Valentine) 25. 02:41 PM - Re: On Top (Elwood140@aol.com) 26. 03:05 PM - Re: On Top (sperry50@comcast.net) 27. 03:08 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 28. 04:23 PM - Re: HDS Firewall angle (Bill Naumuk) 29. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Chat (Scott Moser) 30. 05:30 PM - Re: On Top (David Downey) 31. 05:37 PM - Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting (aprazer) 32. 06:14 PM - Ch-701 in MN (Ben Ramler) 33. 08:15 PM - Re: New to list (Richard Harvey) 34. 08:29 PM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (MacDonald Doug) 35. 08:46 PM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (bryanekholm) 36. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:42 AM PST US From: "Scott Moser" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Bob ' Have you bought your 640 Kit yet. I have one for sale for a steal Scott Moser ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob St Denis To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me) Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt Rob waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete) On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis wrote: Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so could handle a pile of people. I will be there On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote: Rob If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient? Dan robertstdenis wrote: > Or what about us ch640 builders ? > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (http://chat.iahu.ca ) a long time ago which is not being used > > Rob > Hanmer Ontario > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) > > do not archive. > > --- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - Stumble during mag check solution From: charles.long@gm.com I had reported a engine stumble during the mag check a couple of weeks ago. My distributor caps were loose. I filed .010" off the retainers to tighten them up. Since that time, have made multiple flights and no more stumble issues. Others have reported the distributor caps loosening over time. If you develop a stumble during mag check, suggest you look for loose distributor caps. Clear Skies! Chuck Long Zodie Rocket / Jab3300 N601LE, 110 hr TT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:11 AM PST US From: Kevin Kinney Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 xl wing skins > This all makes me think that my next CH601XL will be scratch built. When I hear complaints like these, I realize how fortunate we all are. What I'm *not* hearing are complaints like, "massive structural failure" or "unstable in all axes". Any aircraft design still in production is in a state of flux. It can be the newest whiz-bang design with a single example flying or a spam can using 1940's technology. Any design is going to evolve and usually for the better. (My apologies to those in Kansas for using the "E" word.) The down side of this is that sometimes T's will not be crossed and I's will not be dotted. That much, I can live with. More importantly, I can fly with it as well. Regards, Kevin Kinney ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 nose gear From: "ricklach" Hi Bill, Thank you for your discription and help. It sounds simple and I'll find out soon. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118206#118206 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:43 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: On Top Please read the attached pdf. Guess this suggests that I've been "stuck on stupid" for a long time! Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:29 AM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat I've just got the tail section right now (just took delivery of the stabilator this morning) On 6/13/07, Scott Moser wrote: > > Bob ' > Have you bought your 640 Kit yet. I have one for sale for a steal > Scott Moser > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rob St Denis > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat > > Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit > chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me) > > Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt > > Rob > waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete) > > On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis wrote: > > > > Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so > > could handle a pile of people. > > > > I will be there > > > > On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered, > > > and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a > > > test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient? > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > robertstdenis wrote: > > > > Or what about us ch640 builders ? > > > > > > > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (http://chat.iahu.ca > > > ) a long time ago which is not being used > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > Hanmer Ontario > > > > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) > > > > > > > > do not archive. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > > > > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:44 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Zenith-List: Flange Tweaking Tool This is nothing earth-shattering, but I thought I'd share my flange tweaking tool that I came up with. I'm sure there are a lot of other versions out there, but I thought this was pretty clever, so here you go. It's two 3/4" thick pieces of plywood with the front edges rounded to a 1/8" radius. Sandwiched between the plywood is a piece of .032 aluminum scrap. I used .032 because I happen to be tweaking .025 flanges. You can adjust the distance between the plywood by placing different thickness shims between the "handles" to hand-tweak different flanges and bends all over your project. You can even make a second set with a different bend radius routed on the front if called for. It's not readily visible in the overall picture, but the aluminum shim is about 20mm shorter than the wood pieces - giving you the place to insert the flange you're tweaking. This thing works like a charm tweaking the wing ribs that I'm working on now. The size of this one is 150mm long x 30mm wide. Tweak on my brothers. Debo Cox XL/Corvair Scratchbuilder Nags Head, NC --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - Stumble during mag check solution From: japhillipsga@aol.com Chuck, another aid to the loose distributor issue is to use varying length plastic ties to hold the caps down. The technique is to place a long, large tie around the neck sort of loose then use ties to strap over the cap to the neck loop. Once everything is in place and snug then tighten the neck tie. Seems to work after 114 hours no loose caps or any stumble. As a side issue, a mag stumble or miss can also be fowling plugs or plug wire failure if your trouble shooting. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: charles.long@gm.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 9:13 am Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - Stumble during mag check solution I had reported a engine stumble during the mag check a couple of weeks ago. My distributor caps were loose. I filed .010" off the retainers to tighten them up. Since that time, have made multiple flights and no more stumble issues. Others have reported the distributor caps loosening over time. If you develop a stumble during mag check, suggest you look for loose distributor caps. Clear Skies! Chuck Long Zodie Rocket / Jab3300 N601LE, 110 hr TT ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 xl wing skins From: "Tim Juhl" Question for you guys with the problem skins: Did ZAC trim the wing tips and wing root as well? Tim -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118229#118229 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:50 AM PST US From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cuttingVent cutting OK, I give up! What is a flycutter tool and how is it used? Mack ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top Jay, Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers are the caddies in his aviation country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the sprinklers. Imagine what Collins would have written about the LSA category if he had figured out that some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion engines (horror of horrors)! Larry Winger Tustin, CA Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair Control surfaces and wing spars complete On 6/13/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > Please read the attached pdf. > > Guess this suggests that I've been "stuck on stupid" for a long time! > > Jay in Dallas > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting From: "Tim Juhl" Something like this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/holecutter.php I prefer the type that doesn't use the drill bit - it simply has a center shaft the same size from end to end. You have to drill the pilot hole first and then use the fly cutter. With thick stuff and a drill press you can turn it under power otherwise the best approach is to turn it by hand and score the material. In the attached picture I made a inspection hole by: 1.) Scoring the metal by hand with the fly cutter. This is in the leading edge skin. 2.) Using an OLFA knife (see www.601.org) to score a line connecting the edges of the two circles. 3.) Used a step drill to enlarge one of the pilot holes large enough to insert a nibbler tool which I used to split one end enough that I could get my pliers on a scored edge and... 4.) Carefully worked my way around the hole, separating the the pieces I wanted to remove. There.... that's more of an answer than you probably wanted :-) Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118236#118236 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hole_cutter_212.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:56 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel selector fittings I ordered, received and installed 1/4"NPT to -6 AN adapters and low profile swivel (-6 AN) fittings on my fuel selector valve. I turned it every way but loose, but I just can't make it fit on my center console. Therefore, I have ordered a new Andair selector valve with banjo fittings, as suggested by one of our listers. I'll let you know how it goes. Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:46 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top was anyone else able to see the PDF attachment? I could not. do not archive Larry Winger wrote: Jay, Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers are the caddies in his aviation country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the sprinklers. Imagine what Collins would have written about the LSA category if he had figured out that some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion engines (horror of horrors)! Larry Winger Tustin, CA Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair Control surfaces and wing spars complete On 6/13/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: Please read the attached pdf. Guess this suggests that I've been "stuck on stupid" for a long time! Jay in Dallas Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:12 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vent cuttingVent cutting Hi Mack, The type we're usually talking about on this forum is a short 3/4-inch body with a stem on one end for a drill chuck, a hole for a 1/4-inch drill at the other with two Allen screws to hold the drill and in the middle a square hole that allows a beam to pass thru, be adjusted and secured with another Allen screw. At the end of the beam, a square hole parallel with the drill is made for an 1/8th inch tool bit that's ground from the inside edge to obtain a hole with a straight edge. The drill can be used to power it, but for lightening holes in the wings or fuselage, I prefer to pre-drill the center hole and then turn the fly-cutter by hand very slowly with light pressure to cut a hole somewhat like a compass. In a drill press, you can cut really good holes in an instrument panel rather quickly. About $12.00 locally. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Mack Kreizenbeck wrote: > > OK, I give up! What is a flycutter tool and how is it used? > Mack > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:55 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - mag stumble solution >I had reported a engine stumble during the mag check a couple of weeks ago. >My distributor caps were loose. I filed .010" off the retainers to tighten >them up. Since that time, have made multiple flights and no more stumble >issues. Chuck, Good to see that the fix I did and passed along to you, worked. I wasn't quite in the ".010 inch" precision mode, just taking a few swipes with the file that was handy in the hangar; my calipers were at home and I doubt this brain would have thought to use them. Glad you could use the suggestion. The L shape of the dual cap retainers lends itself to just this type of fine tuning. Why anyone would provide "additional" security for distributor caps with ty-wraps is beyond me. Not exactly a confidence builder to anyone looking under the bonnet and contemplating a flight with you. Can just imagine what the airport bums that visit my hangar would say. Oh well, to each his own, it is experimental. tailwinds jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:01 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Sentimental Journey at Cub Haven MARK YOUR CALENDARS... The 22nd Annual Sentimental Journey to Cub Haven Fly-In will take place June 20, 21, 22, 23, 2007 at the historic William T. Piper Memorial Airport in Lock Haven, PA. The Theme will be 70 years of Piper. Featured airplanes: J-4 and Comanche PA-24 If flying in, check out the Fly-in Air Ops at: http://www.sentimentaljourneyfly-in.com/ There are two runways in use, a paved 3500 footer and a parallel grass strip, BUT the state aviation agency gets antsy about simultaneous landings or takeoffs; also, many NORAD a/c in the pattern and they'll fly all day. Only here will you be roused from your tent at 5:30 a.m. by the sound of two or three Kinners in the pattern doing low, wake-you-up flybys. Wx permitting we usually get a few Zeniths to show up. Ken Lennox should be up from MD, and Ray Blondin may have the hours flown off and be there from DL. You NJ guys are always welcome. If the thunderboomers hold off I'll be there but event regular Wayne Beattie from CT is coming via motorhome. This is a great fly-in! Flying all day long, good, inexpensive food, free entertainment at night, Hoot Gibson as guest speaker Saturday night, Piper Museum within an easy walk, just laid back fun for aviation enthusiasts. Join us...jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 xl wing skins From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Hi Tim, Yep, they trimmed them as part of their CNC milling process. Dave do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118270#118270 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:32 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: Garmin Foretrex 101 Dear Listers, Someone on the Zenith list or RV list purchased subject GPS from ALDI for about $60. I drove to neighboring town and found one at the ALDI store there for $50. It was their last unit. It is an interesting unit and can be adapted for flying. It does not have airport database so routing has to be entered manually or input by actually being on site. I plan on trying it out by flying to neighboring airports and entering its respective location. My thoughts on the unit will be made in a few months. At the price, it has to have some value for certain missions. Regards, Ken Arnold Pikeville, NC CH701 75% 912ULS do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:58 PM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top It was a copy of his letter to the editor. For your convenience, here it is: "I have been a Flying reader for a long, long time. I want to address the July, 2007 issue and specifically "On Top." Apparently, Richard Collins was assigned to write a piece about a segment of aviation that he has absolutely no use for: Light Sport. I have never read a more condescending and disdainful appraisal of an entire segment of aviation than this one. Richard Collins, nose in the air, totally dismissed the validity of Light Sport aviation, the airplanes in this category and its proponents and pilots. With this article, Flying Magazine has succinctly defined who is NOT a part of their readership. I am solidly in that category. Thanks for letting me and my kind know where we stand." Jay Bannister, Dallas, Texas Do not archive. On 6/13/07, David Downey wrote: > > was anyone else able to see the PDF attachment? I could not. > > do not archive > > *Larry Winger * wrote: > > Jay, > > Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers are the caddies in his > aviation country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the > sprinklers. > > Imagine what Collins would have written about the LSA category if he had > figured out that some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion > engines (horror of horrors)! > > Larry Winger > Tustin, CA > Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair > Control surfaces and wing spars complete > > > On 6/13/07, *Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers > from > someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical Connectors From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Have you guys or gals found any aircraft electrical supplier that sells connectors prepacked in an assortment of the red, blue, and yellow splice connectors, blade terminals, etc. .. sortof like they package for automotive (not that I will use those). I will go broke buying them from ACS with the shipping and always forgeting something on the last order. Just curious if someone has found a better way. Thanks! do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118274#118274 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:02 PM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical Connectors Steinair.com has a selection of connectors in a box at http://steinair.com/terminals.htm They've also been very good about prompt shipping. John Burnsville, NC dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Have you guys or gals found any aircraft electrical supplier that sells connectors prepacked in an assortment of the red, blue, and yellow splice connectors, blade terminals, etc. .. sortof like they package for automotive (not that I will use those). I will go broke buying them from ACS with the shipping and always forgeting something on the last order. Just curious if someone has found a better way. > > Thanks! > > do not archive > > -------- > Dave Gardea > 601XL - Corvair > working on wings > http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118274#118274 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Electrical Connectors There is this from SteinAir: SA-000-1 Terminal Kit: 50ea: SA001- SA009, 5ea: SA-003 & SA-012, 15ea: SA010 - SA011 !!450 Terminals!! $60.00 ($69 separately) http://www.steinair.com/terminals.htm Go to the same page to see the descriptions of the individual parts. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:15 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical Connectors I got all my stuff from Terminal Town. I was quite happy with the selection and price. I ordered one of the kits that came with a bunch of connnectors and a plastic tool box. http://www.terminaltown.com/index.htm Michael in NH On 6/13/07, dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote: > > dgardea@gmail.com> > > Have you guys or gals found any aircraft electrical supplier that sells > connectors prepacked in an assortment of the red, blue, and yellow splice > connectors, blade terminals, etc. .. sortof like they package for automotive > (not that I will use those). I will go broke buying them from ACS with the > shipping and always forgeting something on the last order. Just curious if > someone has found a better way. > > Thanks! > > do not archive > > -------- > Dave Gardea > 601XL - Corvair > working on wings > http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118274#118274 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:31 PM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top Collins struck a nerve. I have never read such opinionated drivel. Is he one of us? I mean us folks who defy gravity once in a while just for fun. What a blowhard. My Flying subscription is about to run out. I guess I'll let it. Do Not Archive Larry Wood N701LW reserved ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:19 PM PST US From: sperry50@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top It makes me wonder if he has ever flown in a basic ultra-light "just for the fun of flying". Hell, that feeling of leaving Mother Earth and being in control cannot be described. I can see where he may be coming from though. I am a professional musician and people will tell me if they could play the way I do they would do it all the time. I remember (a long time ago) when I played just for the fun of it, but after it started bringing in money every time I sat down at the piano I thought about all the stuff I needed to learn and "playing the piano" took on a different light. Now that I am an "old fart" and play when I choose, I get more satisfaction from playing what makes me happy and I can now sit and play without thinking of "the job". Perhaps being a professional pilot makes you think of flying in the same way. What a sad thought. Just a thought as I do cocktail hour and contemplate my next move! Skip Perry Fort Myers, Fl 601XL (3/4 of the way there) -------------- Original message -------------- From: Elwood140@aol.com Collins struck a nerve. I have never read such opinionated drivel. Is he one of us? I mean us folks who defy gravity once in a while just for fun. What a blowhard. My Flying subscription is about to run out. I guess I'll let it. Do Not Archive Larry Wood N701LW reserved See what's free at AOL.com.
It makes me wonder if he has ever flown in a basic ultra-light "just for the fun of flying". Hell, that feeling of leaving Mother Earth and being in control cannot be described.
 
I can see where he may be coming from though. I am a professional musician and people will tell me if they could play the way I do they would do it all the time. I remember (a long time ago) when I played just for the fun of it, but after it started bringing in money every time I sat down at the piano I thought about all the stuff I needed to learn and "playing the piano" took on a different light.
 
Now that I am an "old fart" and play when I choose, I get more satisfaction from playing what makes me happy and I can now sit and play without thinking of "the job". Perhaps being a professional pilot makes you think of flying in the same way. What a sad thought.
 
Just a thought as I do cocktail hour and contemplate my next move!
 
Skip Perry
Fort Myers, Fl
601XL (3/4 of the way there)
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Elwood140@aol.com
Collins struck a nerve.  I have never read such opinionated drivel.  Is he one of us?  I mean us folks who defy gravity once in a while just for fun.  What a blowhard.  My Flying subscription is about to run out.  I guess I'll let it.
 
Do Not Archive
 
Larry Wood
 
N701LW reserved



See what's free at AOL.com.
________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical Connectors From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Thanks for your replies guys! Dave do not archive -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118302#118302 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:43 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Firewall angle Craig- Why the hell should I buy an XL CD to build an HDS? The HDS prints shouldn't have dropped off the face of the earth! It's not like I didn't pay good money for the HDS kit!!!! Are HDS builders Untermenchen? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:07 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HDS Firewall angle > The photo manual that's available online through the Zenith website. Since you're an XL builder, you should have the DVD that is a duplicate. The resolution of the images in the Acrobat documents on the CD is higher than what you can get off of the web site. You can zoom in more. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:22 PM PST US From: "Scott Moser" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Rob I have a "built by factory" stabilator and vertical fin complete I'll through in if you buy the rest of the kit from me. Right wing 85%, fuse and all the rest for a great deal. $15000.00 with long range tanks and many extras and tools. You will save 10,000.00 bucks . My wife says it's gotta go or me go.. My email is moscon@citcom.net and cell 828-553-1112 Scott Moser ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob St Denis To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat I've just got the tail section right now (just took delivery of the stabilator this morning) On 6/13/07, Scott Moser < moscon@citcom.net> wrote: Bob ' Have you bought your 640 Kit yet. I have one for sale for a steal Scott Moser ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob St Denis To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me) Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt Rob waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete) On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis wrote: Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so could handle a pile of people. I will be there On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote: leinad@hughes.net> Rob If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient? Dan robertstdenis wrote: > Or what about us ch640 builders ? > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca ( http://chat.iahu.ca ) a long time ago which is not being used > > Rob > Hanmer Ontario > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) > > do not archive. > > --- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href=" http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:07 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top thanks! do not archive Larry Winger wrote: It was a copy of his letter to the editor. For your convenience, here it is: "I have been a Flying reader for a long, long time. I want to address the July, 2007 issue and specifically "On Top." Apparently, Richard Collins was assigned to write a piece about a segment of aviation that he has absolutely no use for: Light Sport. I have never read a more condescending and disdainful appraisal of an entire segment of aviation than this one. Richard Collins, nose in the air, totally dismissed the validity of Light Sport aviation, the airplanes in this category and its proponents and pilots. With this article, Flying Magazine has succinctly defined who is NOT a part of their readership. I am solidly in that category. Thanks for letting me and my kind know where we stand." Jay Bannister, Dallas, Texas Do not archive. On 6/13/07, David Downey wrote: was anyone else able to see the PDF attachment? I could not. do not archive Larry Winger wrote: Jay, Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers are the caddies in his aviation country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the sprinklers. Imagine what Collins would have written about the LSA category if he had figured out that some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion engines (horror of horrors)! Larry Winger Tustin, CA Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair Control surfaces and wing spars complete On 6/13/07, Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting From: "aprazer" Tim and Larry, Thank you very much for the picture and description. In reading the thread, it appears that this flycutter can be used on the bubble! Micheal Heintz cut a round hole in bubble of the XL prototype, but I forgot to quiz him about his method. Idaho gets extremely hot during the summers and I need additional air. Thanks again for your help Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118329#118329 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:23 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN Hi zenith Builders & Fliers, Hopfully everyone is having fun building and or flying. I have question for everyone.... Are there any 701's other than Roger in Little Falls, MN? What about 601's? later, Ben St. Cloud, MN Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:51 PM PST US From: "Richard Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to list Vann- I am building a 601 XL (about 60% complete) and I know many of the building issues are similar between the 701 and the 601. Let me know if you want to come by and look at my 601 XL project and chat. Perhaps I can answer some questions, or we can just share experiences. I live in Hillsborough- 10 miles west of Durham, and about a 30 minute drive from Raleigh. Richard Harvey 919-819-6991 ----- Original Message ----- From: vann covington To: zenith-list=40matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Zenith-List: New to list I am new to the list. Just bought a 2006 701 partially completed kit about 70% done. I am interested in contacting anyone owning or building in my area of Raleigh, NC or within 100 miles. Thanks, Vann --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope=21 - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo=21 Games. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07440 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07500 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:23 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN Ben, I'm almost in MN but not quite. I'm in Fort Frances, ON. Probably a bit far North for you. There is another builder in International Falls, MN as well. We are both at about the same point, fuse mostly done and starting on wings. I seem to remember another builder in the Chisolm, MN are who mentioned starting a CH-701 project last fall. Sorry, I don't know of any flying 701s in MN at this time. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder Working on Spars NW Ontario, Canada --- Ben Ramler wrote: > Hi zenith Builders & Fliers, > > Hopfully everyone is having fun building and or > flying. I have question for everyone.... Are there > any 701's other than Roger in Little Falls, MN? What > about 601's? > > later, > > Ben > St. Cloud, MN Get your own web address. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ch-701 in MN From: "bryanekholm" Ben, I'm scratch building a 701 in Annandale, MN. Rear fuselage, horizontal stabilizer, elevator, rudder, & firewall complete. Working on wings and forward fuselage at this time. Let me know if you would like to stop by. Bryan -------- Bryan Ekholm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118351#118351 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:56 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Vent cuttingVent cutting > In reading the thread, it appears that this flycutter can be used on the bubble! I think most would agree that it is best to turn a fly cutter by hand if you can't use it in a drill press. Same goes for cutting holes with it in sheet aluminum. -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.