---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/14/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - Re: Flange Tweaking Tool (TxDave) 2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 3. 05:08 AM - Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout (Scott Laughlin) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: Chat (steveadams) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (Robert Schoenberger) 6. 07:19 AM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (John Bolding) 7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 8. 08:08 AM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (Ben Ramler) 9. 09:50 AM - Re: Chat (steveadams) 10. 09:57 AM - Re: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout (japhillipsga@aol.com) 11. 10:05 AM - Re: On Top () 12. 10:12 AM - On Top, or maybe the bottom. (Beckman, Rick) 13. 10:17 AM - Re: Jab 3300 - mag stumble solution (japhillipsga@aol.com) 14. 11:39 AM - On Top (Robert Schoenberger) 15. 12:36 PM - Re: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout (robert stone) 16. 02:11 PM - Re: Ch-701 in MN (PatrickW) 17. 04:11 PM - Re: On Top (2thesky) 18. 06:01 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (Dave Thompson) 19. 06:35 PM - Ch-701 & studying (Ben Ramler) 20. 07:17 PM - Re: Ch-701 & studying (ZodieRocket) 21. 07:36 PM - Re: Ch-701 & studying (Paul Mulwitz) 22. 07:44 PM - Vaughn Carl's Project for sale. (LRM) 23. 09:37 PM - 601XL additional stress testing (Alan Lovchik) 24. 09:54 PM - Re: 601XL additional stress testing (Paul Riedlinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flange Tweaking Tool From: "TxDave" Another cool tool, Debo. I checked out those great looking ribs on your website. The flange tweaker must work well. do not archive Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118370#118370 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:14 AM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat toss me an email with some pics and a detailed list of what ya have in there On 6/13/07, Scott Moser wrote: > > Rob > I have a "built by factory" stabilator and vertical fin complete I'll > through in if you buy the rest of the kit from me. Right wing 85%, fuse and > all the rest for a great deal. $15000.00 with long range tanks and many > extras and tools. You will save 10,000.00 bucks . My wife says it's gotta > go or me go.. > My email is moscon@citcom.net and cell 828-553-1112 > Scott Moser > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Rob St Denis > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:20 AM > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat > > I've just got the tail section right now (just took delivery of the > stabilator this morning) > > On 6/13/07, Scott Moser < moscon@citcom.net> wrote: > > > Bob ' > > Have you bought your 640 Kit yet. I have one for sale for a steal > > Scott Moser > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Rob St Denis > > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat > > > > Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came to chit > > chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me) > > > > Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm edt > > > > Rob > > waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete) > > > > On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis wrote: > > > > > > Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of bandwidth so > > > could handle a pile of people. > > > > > > I will be there > > > > > > On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've > > > > registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST as > > > > a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient? > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > robertstdenis wrote: > > > > > Or what about us ch640 builders ? > > > > > > > > > > If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (http://chat.iahu.ca ) > > > > a long time ago which is not being used > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > Hanmer Ontario > > > > > ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to roll) > > > > > > > > > > do not archive. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117197#117197 > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref=" > > http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:38 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout Hi guys: My 601XL is at the hangar waiting for FAA inspection. Does anybody know of a plans-built 601XL in the US that has been completed and flown? Is N5SL the first in contention for this honor? Last night Dave Miller came over with some aluminum and a CAD drawing for the Rudder horn (6-T-5-3). We converted it to G-code and cut it out on my home-made CNC mill. If you have a fast internet connection check this out: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/6_t_5_3_rudder_horn.AVI It's not a very exciting video but it presents another way to cut out parts. Have a good day, Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat From: "steveadams" Darn, I missed the chat. Will try and get on next week since we need more 640 builders represented. Steve Adams CH640, Finished and flying (450 hours and counting) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118387#118387 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:36 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN The other 701 builder in International Falls is Jim Asleson, phone 218-377-4374. Robert Schoenberger 701 60% do not archive MacDonald Doug wrote: > > Ben, I'm almost in MN but not quite. I'm in Fort > Frances, ON. Probably a bit far North for you. There > is another builder in International Falls, MN as well. > We are both at about the same point, fuse mostly done > and starting on wings. > > I seem to remember another builder in the Chisolm, MN > are who mentioned starting a CH-701 project last fall. > > Sorry, I don't know of any flying 701s in MN at this > time. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > Working on Spars > NW Ontario, Canada > > --- Ben Ramler wrote: > > >> Hi zenith Builders & Fliers, >> >> Hopfully everyone is having fun building and or >> flying. I have question for everyone.... Are there >> any 701's other than Roger in Little Falls, MN? What >> about 601's? >> >> later, >> >> Ben >> St. Cloud, MN >> > > > > Get your own web address. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:24 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN Don't forget Grant Rappe in Northfield. John > >> Hi zenith Builders & Fliers, >> >> Hopfully everyone is having fun building and or >> flying. I have question for everyone.... Are there >> any 701's other than Roger in Little Falls, MN? What >> about 601's? >> >> later, >> >> Ben >> St. Cloud, MN >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:49 AM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat hey steve ... quick question for ya ... never driven a rivet before and I see I have a few on the stabilator ... any particular trick to it or ? On 6/14/07, steveadams wrote: > > > Darn, I missed the chat. Will try and get on next week since we need more > 640 builders represented. > > Steve Adams > CH640, Finished and flying (450 hours and counting) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118387#118387 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:42 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN do you have an email for him? ----- Original Message ---- From: John Bolding Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:13:46 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 in MN Don't forget Grant Rappe in Northfield. John > >> Hi zenith Builders & Fliers, >> >> Hopfully everyone is having fun building and or >> flying. I have question for everyone.... Are there >> any 701's other than Roger in Little Falls, MN? What >> about 601's? >> >> later, >> >> Ben >> St. Cloud, MN >> Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat From: "steveadams" [quote="robertstdenis"]hey steve ... quick question for ya ... never driven a rivet before and I see I have a few on the stabilator ... any particular trick to it or ? > [b] I'm sure there are some tricks to pounding rivets, but I never figured them out. :) Seriously, there are so few solid rivets on the 640 that I never got very good. I just practiced on some scrap until I could pound them straight with a decent shop head without destroying the parts I was trying to rivet. I'm sure there are others here that have built other airplanes and could give you some helpful tips on pounding rivets. Steve Adams Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118431#118431 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout From: japhillipsga@aol.com Scott, good luck on that first flight. As hard as you've worked on that bird I'm sure it'll be fine. No pressure, right ?? Best regards, Bill of Georgia do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Scott Laughlin Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 8:08 am Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout >=C2- =C2- Hi guys:=C2- =C2- My 601XL is at the hangar waiting for FAA inspection. Does anybody know of a plans-built 601XL in the US that has been completed and flown? Is N5SL the first in contention for this honor?=C2- =C2- Last night Dave Miller came over with some aluminum and a CAD drawing for th e Rudder horn (6-T-5-3). We converted it to G-code and cut it out on my home -made CNC mill. If you have a fast internet connection check this out:=C2 - =C2- http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/6_t_5_3_rudder_horn.AVI=C2- =C2- It's not a very exciting video but it presents another way to cut out parts. =C2- =C2- Have a good day,=C2- =C2- Scott Laughlin=C2- 601XL/Corvair=C2- www.cooknwithgas.com=C2- =C2- _________________________________________________________________=C2- Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live .com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-1 17.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863& encType=1&FORM=MGAC01=C2- =C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- =C2- =C2- ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:10 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top Gentlemen, gentlemen, please....let's be patient. Richard Collin s works for an aviation magazine, and thus gets to fly a lot of stuff for free, for reduced prices, or as an invited guest. He also hasn't b usted a physical, and had to fight his way through all the hoops to ge t his Special Issuance (good for the remaining time between the date o f his physical and the date they liesurely decide to let him fly again ) There will come a day when: A) He no longer enjoys the fourth esta te's perks, and has to pay for all his flying, B) He has to plead, beg , grovel and whine at the feet of some bureaucrat in OKC for an SI, an d C) Suddenly finds his top-of-the-world erstwhile flying buddies can' t remember who he used to be. The day after these three come to pass, our good Mr. Collins will come to love LSA, assuming LSA will choose t o not remember his previous viewpoint. Remember-----------The mills o f the gods,.............OR, as was once said, "Be nice to people on th e way up, 'cause you will most assuredly meet them again on the way do wn."=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601 XL/Corvair=0A=0ADO NOT A RCHIVE =0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Larry Winger =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 200 7 11:21 AM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: On Top=0A=0A=0A Jay,=0A=0A Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers ar e the caddies in his aviation country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the sprinklers.=0A=0A Imagine what Coll ins would have written about the LSA category if he had figured out th at some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion engines (horror of horrors)!=0A=0A Larry Winger=0A Tustin, CA =0A Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair=0A Control surfaces and wing spar s complete=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A On 6/13/07, Jaybannist@cs com > wrote: =0A Please read the attached pdf.=0A=0A G uess this suggests that I've been "stuck on stupid" for a long time! =0A=0A Jay in Dallas=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ======================= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://forums.matronics.com ======================= =================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: On Top, or maybe the bottom. From: "Beckman, Rick" Well spoken, P-Rod, well spoken ! Tres Digitos Do NOT archive! Gentlemen, gentlemen, please....let's be patient. Richard Collins works for an aviation magazine, and thus gets to fly a lot of stuff for free, for reduced prices, or as an invited guest. He also hasn't busted a physical, and had to fight his way through all the hoops to get his Special Issuance (good for the remaining time between the date of his physical and the date they liesurely decide to let him fly again.) There will come a day when: A) He no longer enjoys the fourth estate's perks, and has to pay for all his flying, B) He has to plead, beg, grovel and whine at the feet of some bureaucrat in OKC for an SI, and C) Suddenly finds his top-of-the-world erstwhile flying buddies can't remember who he used to be. The day after these three come to pass, our good Mr. Collins will come to love LSA, assuming LSA will choose to not remember his previous viewpoint. Remember-----------The mills of the gods,.............OR, as was once said, "Be nice to people on the way up, 'cause you will most assuredly meet them again on the way down." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - mag stumble solution From: japhillipsga@aol.com Jeff, as usual your right again. Looking at my plane I sure have wasted a lo t of time and effort on safety wires and plastic ties to secure control cabl es, oil plugs, filters and electric wires, fuel lines, various other hoses, spark plug wires, prop extension bolts, brake pad bolts, etc. I probably sho uld start cutting and removing them as well as the distributor cap ties beca use my biggest concern should be whether the local hanger rats have confiden ce in the plane I fly.=C2-Course, I may decide to keep all this "additiona l" security. Best regards from overly insecure and prudent Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Small Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 3:14 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 - mag stumble solution >I had reported a engine stumble during the mag check a couple of weeks ago. >My distributor caps were loose.=C2- I filed .010" off the retainers to ti ghten >them up.=C2- Since that time, have made multiple flights and no more stum ble >issues.=C2- =C2- Chuck, =C2- Good to see that the fix I did and passed along to you, worked.=C2- I wasn 't quite in the ".010 inch" precision mode, just taking a few swipes with th e file that was handy in the hangar; my calipers were at home and I doubt th is brain would have thought to use them.=C2- Glad you could use the sugges tion. =C2- The L shape of the dual cap retainers lends itself to just this type of fine tuning. =C2- Why anyone would provide "additional" security for distributor caps with ty- wraps is beyond me.=C2- Not exactly a confidence builder to anyone looking under the bonnet and contemplating a flight with you.=C2- Can just imagin e what the airport bums that visit my hangar would say.=C2- Oh well, to ea ch his own, it is experimental. =C2- tailwinds=C2- jeff=C2- do not archive -= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List -======================== -= - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content now also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:48 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: On Top Hey guys . . . let's cut Collins a little slack. He's a very talented guy and knows his way professionally around the storms and clouds. I wish I could fly IFR as well as him. When one gets the best of equipment to fly, anything less is bound to solicit some minor criticism. If you're used to driving Lexuses and switch to a single drive in a small Susuki, you're bound to be a little discontented with the product. I remember in my homebuilding career when someone asked me a question like "if this was your first home . . ." I honestly had to tell him I couldn't objectively answer his question because my 25 years of experience didn't allow me to give an opinion as would someone new to building. Let Mr. Collins fly along with his head in the clouds - someday as someone earlier pointed out he will come to appreciate LSA if he's a real pilot. Remember the Flying mag column that Baxter wrote? Eventually he could only be a passenger in a plane because of medical problems. What goes up comes down. Robert Schoenberger 701 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:49 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout ----- Original Message ----- From: japhillipsga@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout Scott, good luck on that first flight. As hard as you've worked on that bird I'm sure it'll be fine. No pressure, right ?? Best regards, Bill of Georgia do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Scott Laughlin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 8:08 am Subject: Zenith-List: Plans Built 601XL Finished / CNC part cutout Hi guys: My 601XL is at the hangar waiting for FAA inspection. Does anybody know of a plans-built 601XL in the US that has been completed and flown? Is N5SL the first in contention for this honor? Last night Dave Miller came over with some aluminum and a CAD drawing for the Rudder horn (6-T-5-3). We converted it to G-code and cut it out on my home-made CNC mill. If you have a fast internet connection check this out: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/6_t_5_3_rudder_horn.AVI It's not a very exciting video but it presents another way to cut out parts. Have a good day, Scott Laughlin 601XL/Corvair www.cooknwithgas.com _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Par k&cp=33.832922~--90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&=1&FORM= =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List =========== /forums.matronics.com =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ch-701 in MN From: "PatrickW" There was a yellow CH-701 for sale a few months ago near Minneapolis. N281Z if I remember correctly. Don't know who's it is or where it is now. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118481#118481 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: On Top From: "2thesky" I haven't read Flying for a long time. I quit because I missed Gordon Baxter. There was a guy who loved flying without the snobbery. A while back, someone bought me a gift subscription to Flying, after not picking one up for about 5 years or so. I think I have six around the house now. Every one of them has a jet on the cover and has articles about planes that I wouldn't want even if I did have the money to buy and operate one. I think the latest issue has an article with a jet and a luxury car that cost more than any plane I want. I can't figure out why any one is surprised the folks over at Flying has no use for LSA. I have sensed a pretentious attitude in that magazine for years. I wouldn't trade my SportPilot or Sport Aviation subscriptions for one from Flying any day. I can't even make it through a FLying magazined anymore. I do like how Collins said that a Zodiac performs like a C-150. I guess it has been too many decades since Collins sat his geriatric butt in a 150. Maybe the Zodiac is closer to the 150 when powered with an 0-200, but even at gross, I think the 150 is three hundred or so lbs. heavier. Logic should tell you which plane will perform better. I remember last year at the Open hangar day watching a C-172 take off in front of a Zodiac. I don't need an ancient, dust farting, aviation writer who flies around a pressurized 210 with a turbo to tell me that the part of flying I love most doesn't matter! He also hasn't taken into account the guys who may be operating as sport pilots, and guys who do not plan on taking their next physical and becoming sport pilots. As I said, it is no surprise to me that Flying can't find room between articles about mutli-million dollar biz-jets to find time for us "have nots" who might just be as happy with a few trips around the patch in a J-3. -------- Every takeoff is optional, but every landing is mandatory! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118499#118499 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:22 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical Connectors Try Hi-line at www.hi-line.com . I called them and they sent me a 1" catalog of their products. 90% is non-aviation stuff but they DO have a section for aviation connectors and wire. They also have a line of thermal shrink of various sizes and thicknesses. I'm in Orange County, California and they said that they can have a guy drive by my house in a van. Kind of like the Snap-On truck. Sounds like I'll be a kid in a candy store! Dave Thompson Westminster, CA ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:03 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying Evening Group, Just a question from the outside looking in from the outside sort a speak. Has anyone seen these videos from Homebuild help that did not go to the workshop Zenith HQ? I'm thinking I might flop my money down on that rudder video just to give me some idea even though I won't act on buying anything until flight training is done. I might wind up using Gleim for my studying for the written. take care, Ben EAA Member The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:36 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying I have seen them and I think they are really good, but maybe I=92m a bit biased? No Really, the videos are not a high cost production, you will not find any green screen shots or for that matter would you ever see a second take. The information is shown as if you were standing right there, it is a personal approach and presented with a new person in mind. You won=92t find any premadonna=92s it is just simple down to earth folks showing you the basis for the knowledge you need to build a plane. The video=92s are worth every cent, some can save you over two years of learning, the new 701 series will easily save a person at least a year of construction time and may even STOP the down time from not understanding a procedure. One thing to always remember though ,there are many ways of working on a part to achieve a final goal, these videos are not the only way to build, they are just one way and will provide a final result that is desirable. They are also not performed by actors, they are done by guys that have been there and done that before you and just want to share knowledge that they have accumulated over the years. No One has figured out the SOCK yet though! Last seen he was stealing the brownies. However, reports have it he may be hiding behind another control panel. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying Evening Group, Just a question from the outside looking in from the outside sort a speak. Has anyone seen these videos from Homebuild help that did not go to the workshop Zenith HQ? I'm thinking I might flop my money down on that rudder video just to give me some idea even though I won't act on buying anything until flight training is done. I might wind up using Gleim for my studying for the written. take care, Ben EAA Member _____ It's here! Your new message! Get HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar / features/mail/"new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 6/14/2007 12:44 PM 6/14/2007 12:44 PM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:57 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying Hi Ben, I just ordered the rudder kit without any video or travel to learn. It was an experiment to see whether I could do the work involved in all-metal construction. The rudder kit came with plenty of help in the form of photo assembly guide, builders manual, drawings, and all the parts needed to build the rudder. I got hooked and have been building a Zodiac for the last two years. It is nearly done and will fly either later this year or early next year. Good luck Paul XL fuselage At 06:33 PM 6/14/2007, you wrote: > Evening Group, > Just a question from the outside looking in from the outside > sort a speak. Has anyone seen these videos from Homebuild help that > did not go to the workshop Zenith HQ? I'm thinking I might flop my > money down on that rudder video just to give me some idea even > though I won't act on buying anything until flight training is > done. I might wind up using Gleim for my studying for the written. > >take care, > >Ben >EAA Member ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:18 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Zenith-List: Vaughn Carl's Project for sale. Check out this site about Vaughn Carl's 701 project for sale. www.skyhawg.com/carl.html. Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:16 PM PST US From: Alan Lovchik Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL additional stress testing See the link below. Seems the factory is going to do addional testing to s ee if there is any real issue with the wing structure? http://www.sportpilot.org/news/070614_zenith.html Am working on my wings now, I may wait a bit before I finish them??? Alan _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club.- http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:51 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL additional stress testing Old news Alan. Keep building. In reality, at most you will need to drill a few rivets out. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lovchik Sent: June-15-07 12:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL additional stress testing See the link below. Seems the factory is going to do addional testing to see if there is any real issue with the wing structure? http://www.sportpilot.org/news/070614_zenith.html Am working on my wings now, I may wait a bit before I finish them??? Alan _____ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. 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