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1. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (Clive Richards)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Chat (Scott Moser)
3. 07:41 AM - xl for sale on E bay (chris Sinfield)
4. 07:45 AM - transponders (Elden Jacobson)
5. 09:17 AM - Re: transponders (Jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 09:51 AM - Re: transponders (LarryMcFarland)
7. 10:33 AM - Re: transponders (Paul Mulwitz)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: transponders (Craig Payne)
9. 10:52 AM - Seat belts for sale (Edward Moody II)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: Seat belts for sale (wade jones)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: transponders (Jeff)
12. 02:16 PM - We're getting over it! (deglass1@aol.com)
13. 03:01 PM - Re: We're getting over it! (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
14. 03:15 PM - Re: We're getting over it! (Ben52425@aol.com)
15. 03:43 PM - Re: transponders (jetboy)
16. 05:01 PM - Re: Seat belts for sale (Edward Moody II)
17. 06:31 PM - Re: transponders (Craig Payne)
18. 08:37 PM - Stainless Steel Rivets (KEVIN LEROY RUPERT)
19. 11:22 PM - Re: Stainless Steel Rivets (TxDave)
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass |
Ray fitted them to his work ok
G CBDG 601 HD 125 Hrs
do not archive
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From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Well let's test this just for fun. Here is the way ai did it before using
> the forums URL tag.
>
>
> And here it is with out the URL tags.
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> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php
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> rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote:
>> Gig,
>> I looked at your web site to see if "Has anyone used this one "
>> was
>> in the cockpit section and it was not so I can only assume that it was
>> supposed to be in a picture attachment that you forgot to include!!!
>>
>> Tracy Stone
>> Harker Heights, Tx
>> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>
>> ---
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>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118647#118647
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Dear Rob,
I'd be happy to take some pics and send them to you. Send me an email
off list and I'll send the pictures to you to avoid clutter on the list
address moserconst@citcom.net. I met Mr. Steve Adams a year or two ago
when he flew his 640 up to 22 W near where I live. He would be a wealth
of info for you if he were willing to help you. I plan to keep on flying
my C 172 and give up building the 640 if I can sell it (drastically
discounted) to someone. I bought the entire kit from Zenair LTD.
Thanks
Scott Moser
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From: Rob St Denis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat
toss me an email with some pics and a detailed list of what ya have in
there
On 6/13/07, Scott Moser <moscon@citcom.net > wrote:
Rob
I have a "built by factory" stabilator and vertical fin complete
I'll through in if you buy the rest of the kit from me. Right wing 85%,
fuse and all the rest for a great deal. $15000.00 with long range tanks
and many extras and tools. You will save 10,000.00 bucks . My wife says
it's gotta go or me go..
My email is moscon@citcom.net and cell 828-553-1112
Scott Moser
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From: Rob St Denis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat
I've just got the tail section right now (just took delivery of
the stabilator this morning)
On 6/13/07, Scott Moser < moscon@citcom.net> wrote:
Bob '
Have you bought your 640 Kit yet. I have one for sale for a
steal
Scott Moser
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob St Denis
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat
Well I'd have to say this worked out rather well, 8 users came
to chit chat about their 601's 701's 801's and one lowly 640 (me)
Figure we will make it a weekly get together mondays at 8pm
edt
Rob
waiting on 640 tail kit (rudder complete)
On 6/8/07, Rob St Denis <rob@iahu.ca> wrote:
Go nuts thats what its there for. The site has plenty of
bandwidth so could handle a pile of people.
I will be there
On 6/7/07, leinad < leinad@hughes.net > wrote:
leinad@hughes.net>
Rob
If it's OK with you I'd like to try using your chat? I've
registered, and plan to be there Monday night (June 11) around 8:00 EST
as a test. Anyone interested? What time would be convenient?
Dan
robertstdenis wrote:
> Or what about us ch640 builders ?
>
> If ya want a chat, I set one up at chat.iahu.ca (
http://chat.iahu.ca ) a long time ago which is not being used
>
> Rob
> Hanmer Ontario
> ch640 stabilator (should be here soon the shops ready to
roll)
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> do not archive.
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| Subject: | xl for sale on E bay |
Item 130124231711
Looks real nice..
I would bid but I dont live in the states
Chris
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I have begun the design of my instrument panel, and because we live in the SF Bay
area, a transponder seems necessary (at least useful). My initial inquiries
suggest a wide variety, especially price-wise. I'd very much like hearing from
any of you who have also installed one, and how you approached it: model, make,
etc. Used?
Elden Jacobson
601/3300
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Elden,
I found a Narco AT50A for $500 at a Dallas area aircraft salvage yard. I had it
checked out by an avionics shop for $115.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: transponders |
Hi Elden,
The transponder is recommended if you transit any C-space areas and
you'll find obtaining flight following is definitely worth while.
There are several good ones. I use a Becker ATC 4401-1-176 which is
priced right, built very high quality and easy to use.
Recommend also the ICom A200 radio, ACK A-30 altitude encoder, Grand
Rapids Technologies EIS (engine information system)
as these are not too expensive, very reliable and come with very good
installation documentation. I've about 100 hours of use and
am very comfortable with the electronics here. I prefer electronic
gages to "glass" but that's something you'll have to decide.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/instpanelnsegment.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/panelatcruise.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/primary-wiring.gif
The radio, transponder and EIS locations are seen in the images provided.
The greatest difference is that I fly a Subaru, 4-cylinder, water
cooled, but there were more EGT and CHT connections in the EIS
than I could use, but it would easily satisfy your need.
These are mainstream products with good backing, not new, lots of them
in use and that's the basis I used to select.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Elden Jacobson wrote:
> I have begun the design of my instrument panel, and because we live in
> the SF Bay area, a transponder seems necessary (at least useful). My
> initial inquiries suggest a wide variety, especially price-wise. I'd
> very much like hearing from any of you who have also installed one,
> and how you approached it: model, make, etc. Used?
>
> Elden Jacobson
> 601/3300
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| Subject: | Re: transponders |
Hi Eldon,
I haven't done it yet, but I have started considering which
transponder to buy. I think the important qualities are: Price,
Size, Weight, Panel space, and Power consumption. I think the best
combination of these qualities will come from one of the foreign new
units rather than an old used one. I haven't picked a model yet, but
I think the price will be around $1500.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 07:45 AM 6/16/2007, you wrote:
>I have begun the design of my instrument panel, and because we live
>in the SF Bay area, a transponder seems necessary (at least useful).
>My initial inquiries suggest a wide variety, especially price-wise.
>I'd very much like hearing from any of you who have also installed
>one, and how you approached it: model, make, etc. Used?
>
>Elden Jacobson
>601/3300
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Kitplanes just had an article on buying used avionics. Here is what they
said on transponders:
"Used transponders are tricky, and they are seldom a good deal. Any
transponder that isn't solid state (one that uses a power cavity tube) is a
risky purchase. Most replacement cavities for Bendix/King KT76 and Narco
AT50 series transponders cost $600.
Even modern units like the Bendix/King KT76A and digital KT76C use a cavity.
They are a reasonable choice-if in good order. KT76As bring $700 on average,
while the digital KT76C is about $900. Better is a used Garmin GTX 327, a
reliable digital and solidstate box. The GTX 320 series has mechanical
tuning, but solid-state guts, and have proven to be reliable. You might find
one in the same price range as a KT76A. The Mode S with traffic output GTX
330 transponder plays Datalink traffic on numerous displays including the
GPSMAP396 and 496 portables. No deals here. Buy new and get the factory
warranty. Forget Narco AT50s, Collins TDR950s and old King KT78s-you're
asking for trouble."
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Seat belts for sale |
If any of the scratch builders out there are interested in making an
offer on an unused set of Zenith factory supplied seat/shoulder belts,
email me off list. I had a different type of restraint harness in mind
so the seat belts that came with the kit are available if anyone is
interested. Make me an offer and pay for shipping. If they don't sell,
I'll probably convert them into cargo hold-downs.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belts for sale |
Hi Dred I am a long way from needing seat belts but I would be
interested .my e-mail is wjones@brazoriainet.com
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Seat belts for sale
If any of the scratch builders out there are interested in making an
offer on an unused set of Zenith factory supplied seat/shoulder belts,
email me off list. I had a different type of restraint harness in mind
so the seat belts that came with the kit are available if anyone is
interested. Make me an offer and pay for shipping. If they don't sell,
I'll probably convert them into cargo hold-downs.
Dred
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Whatever transponder you choose, consider the cost of the recommended cable
in making your decision. The length varies with your installation and the
type cable required may vary with the length. The installation manual may
be hard to find. Garmin seems to hide them from homebuiders. The current
Garmin GTX 327 installation manual requires different coax cable types
varying from the common RG400 to the less common RG304 and RG393. The old
standby RG58 is now looked down upon by the avionics professionals despite
Jim Wier's opinions in Kitplanes. I lucked out and needed the RG393
according to the installation manual. New and put together by an avioncs
shop because I couldn't find an RG393 supplier, that admittedly long 12 foot
cable cost me over $200. So consider the total cost of the transponder
including the cable. The antennas are commonly available and inexpensive on
a relative scale.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | We're getting over it! |
I just read the digest of Friday messages.? There was no flaming, no complaining,
no sniping.? Only civil, helpful dialog.? The way it otter be!
David
601XL N253DG
Ready to drill the canopy after 6-month hiatus
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| Subject: | Re: We're getting over it! |
We are all just tired. Don't worry when we all rest up it will get back to
normal....... ;)
In a message dated 6/16/2007 5:18:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deglass1@aol.com writes:
I just read the digest of Friday messages. There was no flaming, no
complaining, no sniping. Only civil, helpful dialog. The way it otter be!
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| Subject: | Re: We're getting over it! |
HI
CHANGE THE OIL AND FILTER A SMALL OIL LEAK CAN LIVE WITH THAT
A LITTLE METAL IN THE FILTER NORMAL I THINK
TORQUE THE PROP LOT, S OF COMMENT, S ALL KIND, S OF QUESTION, S
ABOUT THE ENGINE FUNNY
HOW ARE YOU COMING WITH YOUR PLANE
BEN
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| Subject: | Re: transponders |
Whats been said is good advice. for a 601, the coax will not be a problem, as the
run is short enough for RG58 and transponders are required to have a certain
cable loss to operate at the correct levels, so low loss is not necessarily
better here. Excessively good coax risks damaging the transmitter / detuning the
cavity too.
I think you should first choose the panel hole size you want to install. Another
consideration will be the brand of radios you are using. If you choose 2" round
fit gear, the best is probably Becker and cheapest is Microair. You may get
a discount if buying radio and transponder. For rectangular mounts, the Garmin
300 series plus SL40 comm.
My own CH701 has a King 76A and KY97A com, both of which I snatched out of my old
cessna and I think they are about 18 yrs old. These are still good units and
I've never had cavity tube problemshowever they dont get used much here.
Ralph
Radio technician in New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belts for sale |
Hi Wade. I don't want to pull anyone's eyes out over this. 2" wide seat
belts without a shoulder harness run $36 - $40 each so how about $50
plus shipping for the pair? UPS ought to run about $15 from me to you.
Sound fair enough? The nice part is that these are the ones that the
plans accomodate so you don't have to improvise if you don't want to.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat belts for sale
Hi Dred I am a long way from needing seat belts but I would be
interested .my e-mail is wjones@brazoriainet.com
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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> I have begun the design of my instrument panel, and because we live in the
SF Bay area, a transponder seems necessary (at least useful).
If you fly inside the "Mode C veil" (i.e. within 30 nautical miles of a
Class B airspace primary airport) or into, within, or across the contiguous
U.S. ADIZ and your aircraft has an engine-driven electrical system then a
transponder is *required*. (AIM 4-1-19f, 14 CFR Section 91.215 and 14 CFR
Section 99.13). A 30 NM ring from San Francisco International covers almost
all of the Bay area.
BTW: don't pay a lot for your transponder antenna. Spruce carries one for
$19 (p/n 11-17995) and I think I've seen them even cheaper elsewhere.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Stainless Steel Rivets |
Guys,
Just started pulling some rivets this weekend. Everything is going smoothly but
I did run into one little snag. The plans call for a Stainless A5 rivet in a
few places. I be darned, I looked everywhere but cannot come up with a part number
or proper designation for this SS rivet. Can anybody tell me what to order?
Thanks,
Kevin Rupert
601/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless Steel Rivets |
Hey Kevin,
I called Zenith with this question last year and they sent me a handful of the
correct SS rivets for a couple of bucks including shipping.
Dave Clay
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