---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/18/07: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:41 AM - Re: Cutting holes in plexiglass (David Downey) 2. 04:09 AM - Re: prop (Paul Mulwitz) 3. 04:34 AM - Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? (Robin Bellach) 4. 04:44 AM - Re: dual stick option (ZodieRocket) 5. 06:02 AM - Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (dfmoeller) 6. 06:03 AM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (steveadams) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (Gig Giacona) 8. 06:50 AM - Cabin Vents () 9. 07:14 AM - Re: Seat belts for sale () 10. 07:18 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/14/07 (george.mueller@aurora.org) 11. 07:39 AM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (Gig Giacona) 12. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (Ron Culver) 13. 08:07 AM - Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? (macleod@eagle.ca) 14. 08:07 AM - Re: dual stick option () 15. 08:36 AM - DVD & 701 (Ben Ramler) 16. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) () 17. 10:07 AM - Re: dual stick option (japhillipsga@aol.com) 18. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/14/07 (Jim Hoak) 19. 10:36 AM - Re: dual stick option (Joe) 20. 11:08 AM - Corvair folk: new posting on William Wynne's web site (Craig Payne) 21. 11:41 AM - Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (Ron Lendon) 22. 12:06 PM - Re: DVD & 701 (Ben Ramler) 23. 12:06 PM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (Jeff Small) 24. 12:15 PM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (Gig Giacona) 25. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) () 26. 12:24 PM - Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (lo2u) 27. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 28. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (Randy L. Thwing) 29. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Chat (Ben Ramler) 30. 01:15 PM - Re: dual stick option (Skip Perry) 31. 02:14 PM - Re: dual stick option (Gig Giacona) 32. 02:24 PM - Horz Stabilizer (wade jones) 33. 02:30 PM - Re: Horz Stabilizer (Gig Giacona) 34. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Horz Stabilizer (wade jones) 35. 03:01 PM - Re: DVD & 701 (ZodieRocket) 36. 03:03 PM - Re: Ch-701 & studying (Ben Ramler) 37. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Chat (Rob St Denis) 38. 05:12 PM - Re: transponders (Tim Juhl) 39. 05:20 PM - Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) (Tim Juhl) 40. 05:31 PM - Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? (chris Sinfield) 41. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: transponders (Craig Payne) 42. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? (Michael Valentine) 43. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Horz Stabilizer (RClaggf4u@aol.com) 44. 08:36 PM - Re: Chat (Falcon) 45. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Horz Stabilizer (Jon Croke) 46. 10:40 PM - Re: Re: Horz Stabilizer (Mark Sherman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:12 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting holes in plexiglass back when I did this kind of thing for a living, the standard practice was to cut the hole at least 1/4" smaller than needed and drum sand to net diameter. Several advantages here: 1. You can get the best fit diameter with the drum 2. Minimized risk of cracking the transparency 3. You can final polish the hole and "bellmouth" or flare the inner and outer edges to minimize chances of cracks down the road. robert stone wrote: Members, For those of you who intend to buy either the vent that requires a 2 & 1/2 inch hole or the vent that requires a 3 & 1/2 inch hole the following information may be of use to you. I ordered two of the Vista-Vents that require a 2 & 1/2 inch hole and when I checked my hole saws I found that the standard set does not have either size (2 & 1/2 or 3 & 1/2 sizes. All of the larger hole saws in the set are even inches with no half sizes. I called the tool department at Lowe's and was told that hole saws are available there in 1/2, 1/4, and 1/8 for all of the larger saws therefor if any of you run into the same problem, remember you can get the 2 & 1/2 or the 3 & 1/2 inch hole saw at Lowe's. Tracy Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:32 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: prop Hi Lee, I wonder if you are doing the right thing? When I looked into propellers for the Jabiru 3300 for my XL I found warp drive props were limited to 100 Horsepower. My initial choice for a 3300 prop is the wood Sensenich that comes with the FWF package from Jabiru USA. Paul XL fuselage At 08:03 PM 6/17/2007, you wrote: >Anyone on the list that is flying a 701 with a Jabiru 3300? > >What length prop are you using and is it 2 or 3 blade. > >Thanks, > >Lee Thomas > >Scratch built and trying to tweak a Warp drive 3 blade > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:43 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? That's the way mine is too. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? > > I went out and measured my plane (vintage 2000/2001). My parts match the > dimensions you cite and those on the 3/06 plans. What is different is that > neither the top or the bottom of 6B7-2 line up with anything. The top is > about 5 mm above the top edge of the standard L and the bottom is about 5 > mm > below the lower edge of 6B7-1. So 5+5+20+30=60 and all is right with the > world. I don't see anything critical in the vertical position of 6B7-2. As > long as the rivets through the L and 6B7-1 are far enough from the bends > in > 6B7-2 and the upper motor mount brackets 6B6-4 fit you should be fine. > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:23 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: dual stick option List members I am looking for a 701 in the Oshawa Airport area. I believe it is on floats. Does anyone have information on this? Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paulrod36@msn.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dual stick option Here's another one you can try: Almost every auto parts store, and Walmart, has an articulated plastic extension originally designed to insert spark plugs. You bend it (the plastic pieces sort of snap into the curve you need) around whatever's in the way, and turn the knob on your end to rotate the inner shaft. The business end has a sleeve to hold the spark plug. Just tape a small extension on the end, put some sticky stuff in the socket to hold the nut, and apply to the offending part. There's also a similar tool that ends in a 1/4 in. drive, that works even easier. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:Jaybannist@cs.com"Jaybannist@cs.com "mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: dual stick option Skip, I did that job with the center spar section out of the airplane and on a work table. That probably isn't an option with the quick build kit. Anyway, I used one of those old shirt-pocket, telescoping pointers. To that I duct-taped an open-end box wrench. To the open end wrench, I put a small piece of duct tape on the flat which would be at the back when inserted into the spar slot. That little piece of duct tape holds the nut. The bolt is inserted and rotated from the outside It sounds a lot easier than it really is! Patience, a steady hand and more patience are an absolute necessity. A good, full set of verbal obscenities might be helpful. Good Luck !!! Jay in Dallas "Skip Perry" wrote: >I am building a 601XL from a quick-build kit. I chose the dual stick option >and it involves drilling into the spar and attempting to snake a nut down >the channel and onto an AN3 bolt that is about 9" away. If any of you have >done this successfully please, please, please tell me how you did it! I have >been trying for about a day and so far I am not winning the war. I >understand they now rivet this in place at the factory:-( > > > >Thanks for any suggestions. > > > >Skip Perry > >Fort Myers, Florida > > > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 8:23 AM 8:23 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver From: "dfmoeller" I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense at my "noise" comment. I meant it in a "tongue-in-cheek" fashion, but thats the problem with these groups, inflections don't get put on the screen. If the gravity press works for you, by all means use it. I tried it, but only managed to split a set of dies made of oak. It was this experience that lead me to the plywood solution. And you do have to admit, it IS overkill. I quickly realized that the effort to spin a vise handle is miniscule compared to getting out the floor jack, etc. The point I WAS trying to make is that the amount of pressure required is actually very low; not at all what I had initially imagined when talk of hydraulic presses and car weights were put out here. Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119096#119096 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:02 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) From: "steveadams" Some type of vent that opens into the airstream would probably provide a great deal more ventilation, even just from the prop wash on the ground. Steve Adams CH640 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119097#119097 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) From: "Gig Giacona" Here is the info on the ones I intend to use. Please note the 56.3 CFM rate and the 400,000 Mean Time Till Failure. I've had one of these running on a server non-stop for the last 3 years. http://www.directron.com/acf12.html Arctic-Cooling Arctic Fan 12 Case Fan, 120mm, 3 Pin, Model: ACF12 The Fluid Dynamic Bearing offers a unique 400'000 h MTTF at 40oC. Therefore we grant a unique 6 years warranty. Features: Best Noise-Performance Ratio. Patented Case Design. Patented Vibration Absorption. 6 Years Warranty. Specifications: Dimensions: 120 x 120 x 38.5mm. Rated Fan Speed: 1500 RPM. Air Flow: 56.3 CFM / 94.7 m3/h. Power Consumption: 12 V, 0.15 Amp. Noise Level: 23.5 dB(A), 0.5 Sone. Bearing: Fluid Dynamic Bearing. Connector / Cable Length: 3 Pin Molex / 400mm. Safety Approvals: CE. Warranty: 6 Years. Compatibility: The Arctic Fan 12 can be fixed by the 4 included screws or by most clipping mechanism to the back wall of the computer. Mounting to the front is not possible. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119100#119100 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:01 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Cabin Vents Listers, Living and flying my 601HD in Georgia made me realize that "sticking a pencil under the canopy seal" as Chris originally suggested just didn't get it.I had not put any sort of vents in the plane when building - mistake! My first quick and simple solution helped quite a bit. I made a simple "scoop" that I mounted just inside the front of the cowling opening. To this a attached a "scat tube" - same size as the cabin heat flange on the firewall - and ran it to the cabin heat flange on the firewall after disconnecting the duct from the heat muff. This provided a fairly decent amount of cooling air into the cockpit, but I wasn't satisfied. Have to swap it back for winter too! Next I borrowed an idea from the RV folks. Since I have a joint between the center section and outer wing panel on each side, I decided to install a NACA scoop in the lower surface of the skin at the joint. I made my own mould and layed up a fiberglass "scoop" for each side. To this I attached a flexible plastic duct - my son in law scrounged it up for me - about 2" in diameter. I routed the ducts - through lightening holes - into the cockpit where I had mounted two of those "eyeball outlets" which can be aimed where ever you want. The high pressure on the bottom of the wing provides a good flow of air that can be shut off at the eyeball in winter. Drag is nil because of the design of the NACA scoop. I did put a screen at the inlet of the scoops to keep the bugs and critters out. Would have been easier to have installed the NACA scoops on the fuselage side while building!! Now if I just wasn't so lazy, I put together a "sun shade" like the Koger one used on the RV's and some Zeniths. I've' designed one and got all the materials to make it except the Gray colored cloth like materal. That's been my excuse for not completing that project. Just thought I'd share with you what I've done. Sounds to me like a lot of other good ideas out there. I just didn't want to put a hole on my canopy. I've had to repair or replace too many over the years because of cracks. My canopy on the 601HD has been flying for 545 hours over ten years without the first crack YET! It is the side-to-side opening type. Good building and flying guys and gals. Jim Hoak ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat belts for sale Yep Wade, the $50 includes both seatbelts and the shoulder belts. They are the ones that are sent with the kit from Zenith. If you aren't planning to deviate from the plans on the mounting points etc. they will be the correct lengths and geometry. They are still in the boxes in which they arrived with my kit but I'll double check them to make sure I send you the entire set. Let me call my local UPS pickup point to check on the shipping to your door before you send the money. I guestimated $15 but it could be a bit more or less. I'm not in a hurry for the money and you're not in a hurry for the belts so we have time to get it right. Where in south Texas are you? My address is: Edward M. Moody II 404 East Texas Avenue Rayne, LA 70578 337-334-2967 (office) 337-298-0276 (cell) If we are close enough to each other, I'd like to see your project (if that's okay with you) and you are welcome to visit me and mine. Rayne is on I-10 about 55 miles east of Lake Charles (two hours from Beaumont). when I know your shipping address, I'll check on UPS shipping cost and get back to you. Sound good? Ed ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/14/07 From: george.mueller@aurora.org I just fired up my 912 UL in a Zenith 701 for the first time yesterday. All went well, except my VDO tach was not working. Does anyone know what the correct DIP switch settings are? I apparently had the wrong ones set in the tach, or at least that is where my trouble shooting will start. Also, I taxied around for maybe about 10 minutes. In this time the oil temp came up to about 140 degrees but I got no reading on the CHT gauge. Is this normal, or is my CHT gauge not working? It to is the standard VDO CHT gauge. I must say the Rotax 912 is a smooth running engine. George in Milwaukee Zenith 701 with a 912 UL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) From: "Gig Giacona" I too plan to install a fan to cool the electronics. I was thinking though I would install in in the top skin under the canopy and let it pull air over the electronics. This could also create a defogger for the canopy. [quote="dredmoody(at)cox.net"]I have two muffin fans in my fuselage. There's a 4" one in the bulkhead at the rear of the baggage area that will move 35 scfm which should actually be helpful if run a few minutes before start up or during a prolonged taxi. I have a second one about 5" in diameter which moves 45 scfm and it is mounted in the lightening hole in the bracing channel from the panel to the firewall. That one blows air from the lower cockpit area up past the radio, x-ponder, and the two AF-3400 glass panel units. I intend only on/off switches for both (no thermostat). I hooked them up to a solar panel that a friend wants to use in his RV7-A and the result was pretty anemic. Maybe these panels weren't the best available. Dred > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119115#119115 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:01 AM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver Point well taken Doug. I agree that it is unfortunate that we dont have emoticons so that we can put smilies where appropriate. It would prevent a lot of misunderstandings.This is such a fine group of very helpful people it is sad that occasionally feelings are unintentionally hurt. Thanks all who have replied about the dies. I now have some about to be shipped and couldn't be more pleased. Blue skies everyone, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfmoeller" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver > > I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense at my "noise" comment. I > meant it in a "tongue-in-cheek" fashion, but thats the problem with these > groups, inflections don't get put on the screen. > > If the gravity press works for you, by all means use it. I tried it, but > only managed to split a set of dies made of oak. It was this experience > that lead me to the plywood solution. And you do have to admit, it IS > overkill. I quickly realized that the effort to spin a vise handle is > miniscule compared to getting out the floor jack, etc. > > The point I WAS trying to make is that the amount of pressure required is > actually very low; not at all what I had initially imagined when talk of > hydraulic presses and car weights were put out here. > > Doug > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119096#119096 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? From: macleod@eagle.ca Chris: I just went out and looked at my firewall which I completed last week. The measurements are approx the same as yours. As Craig said the top and bottom of 6B7-2 do not line up with anything. I work on the premise that the drawings show the relative position of the components but not their absolute position, the measurements take care of that. Mike 601 XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:38 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Zenith-List: dual stick option Why cuss the girlfriend? It's the Zenith design that causes the cussing. Dred ---- Skip Perry wrote: I have used most of my verbal obscenities at least one > or more times. Time to get the girlfriend involved! Thanks to all who > responded so far. > > Skip Perry > Ft. Myers, Florida > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jaybannist@cs.com > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 4:58 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: dual stick option > > Skip, > > I did that job with the center spar section out of the airplane and on a > work table. That probably isn't an option with the quick build kit. > Anyway, I used one of those old shirt-pocket, telescoping pointers. To that > I duct-taped an open-end box wrench. To the open end wrench, I put a small > piece of duct tape on the flat which would be at the back when inserted into > the spar slot. That little piece of duct tape holds the nut. The bolt is > inserted and rotated from the outside. It sounds a lot easier than it > really is! Patience, a steady hand and more patience are an absolute > necessity. A good, full set of verbal obscenities might be helpful. Good > Luck !!! > > Jay in Dallas > > > "Skip Perry" wrote: > > >I am building a 601XL from a quick-build kit. I chose the dual stick option > >and it involves drilling into the spar and attempting to snake a nut down > >the channel and onto an AN3 bolt that is about 9" away. If any of you have > >done this successfully please, please, please tell me how you did it! I > have > >been trying for about a day and so far I am not winning the war. I > >understand they now rivet this in place at the factory:-( > > > > > > > >Thanks for any suggestions. > > > > > > > >Skip Perry > > > >Fort Myers, Florida > > > > > > > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:57 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Zenith-List: DVD & 701 Hello Listers, quick question does anyone have the Sheetmetal work 101 & rudder DVD from Homebuild Help.com that they are not using that maybe they would be willing to part with for a while? I'd get one but the wife says no. thank you, Ben Ramler Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:02 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) The undersurface of that skin is curved which might complicate the mounting. The space there might be crowded too depending on your panel layout. The fan mounted under the C-channel takes up no critical space and holes in the top sking would still activate your planned defogger action. Dred ---- Gig Giacona wrote: > > I too plan to install a fan to cool the electronics. I was thinking though I would install in in the top skin under the canopy and let it pull air over the electronics. This could also create a defogger for the canopy. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dual stick option From: japhillipsga@aol.com Skip, it's not too difficult if you make a tool. I took a cheapo 3/8 box in wrench and sawed the open end off. Then I welded a ten inch steel shaft to t he end I cut off. Then I heated the bend=C2-just below the box end and str aightened out the whole shaft. Now I could reach the back of the inside of t he center spar where the nuts are located. To hold the nut in the wrench whi le I turned the bolt on the outside I used some yellow "elephant snot" adhes ive. When tight. remove the wrench from the nut. Worked fine and you will re ally be happy you chose the dual stick, Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: Skip Perry Sent: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 2:03 pm Subject: Zenith-List: dual stick option I am building a 601XL from a quick-build kit. I chose the dual stick option and it involves drilling into the spar and attempting to snake a nut down th e channel and onto an AN3 bolt that is about 9=9D away. If any of you have done this successfully please, please, please tell me how you did it! I have been trying for about a day and so far I am not winning the war. I und erstand they now rivet this in place at the factoryL =C2- Thanks for any suggestions. =C2- Skip Perry Fort Myers, Florida =C2- DO NOT ARCHIVE -= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List -======================== -= - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content now also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:12 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/14/07 George, Congratulations on getting your engine running. I have a 80 HP Rotax in my 601HD. I'm afraid I can't help much with the VDO tach. It must be different than the one I have because there were no Dip swithches that needed to be set. When I built mine ZAC couldn't advise me as to the wiring on my tach. They said if it didn't work, to swap the wires. I lucked out, it worked the first time. I have the large diameter tach. As for the VDO CHT, yes from my experience if your engine got warm enough to register an increase in the oil temp, you should hace seen an increase in your CHT. 10 minutes should be more than enough to see an increase in both oil temp ( normally up to about 120 degrees F ) and CHT up to about 170 to 180 degrees after 10 minutes of ground run. ) I'm helping a friend install a 80Hp Rotax in a new 701. I'd be interested in hearing any problems you encounter and your soutions so that we can gain from your experiences. We're working on the engine installation now. Thanks. Jim Hoak at planejim@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: george.mueller@aurora.org To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/14/07 I just fired up my 912 UL in a Zenith 701 for the first time yesterday. All went well, except my VDO tach was not working. Does anyone know what the correct DIP switch settings are? I apparently had the wrong ones set in the tach, or at least that is where my trouble shooting will start. Also, I taxied around for maybe about 10 minutes. In this time the oil temp came up to about 140 degrees but I got no reading on the CHT gauge. Is this normal, or is my CHT gauge not working? It to is the standard VDO CHT gauge. I must say the Rotax 912 is a smooth running engine. George in Milwaukee Zenith 701 with a 912 UL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:00 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dual stick option i am bld,g a601xl also w/ dual stick am just about to that point now that you hav pointed out this problem i.m thinking of drilling & tapping and using locktight why not. ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Perry To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: dual stick option I am building a 601XL from a quick-build kit. I chose the dual stick option and it involves drilling into the spar and attempting to snake a nut down the channel and onto an AN3 bolt that is about 9" away. If any of you have done this successfully please, please, please tell me how you did it! I have been trying for about a day and so far I am not winning the war. I understand they now rivet this in place at the factoryL Thanks for any suggestions. Skip Perry Fort Myers, Florida DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:07 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair folk: new posting on William Wynne's web site William is back at work after his delayed honeymoon. Among other things there are updates on the first flight of Charles Leonard's 601XL/Corvair (twelfth 601/Corvair to fly?) and the 701/Corvair project. www.flycorvair.com -- Craig ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver From: "Ron Lendon" These were all added using the web interface :D :) :( :o [Shocked] :? 8) [Laughing] :x :P [Embarassed] [Crying or Very sad] [Evil or Very Mad] [Twisted Evil] [Rolling Eyes] [Wink] [Exclamation] [Question] [Idea] [Arrow] http://forums.matronics.com/ It's the only interface I use any more, and my email box has much less entries now. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119174#119174 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:22 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Zenith-List: DVD & 701 nevermind everyone I talked to my mother she will be sending me money to get it. sorry If I waisted time on the list. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Ramler Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:32:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: DVD & 701 Hello Listers, quick question does anyone have the Sheetmetal work 101 & rudder DVD from Homebuild Help.com that they are not using that maybe they would be willing to part with for a while? I'd get one but the wife says no. thank you, Ben Ramler Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:22 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) I too plan to install a fan to cool the electronics. I was thinking though I would install in in the top skin under the canopy and let it pull air over the electronics. This could also create a defogger for the canopy. Hi Gig, Won't the magnet in the fan motor disrupt the magnetic compass? jeff do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) From: "Gig Giacona" Depends on where I put the compass. Which in my case will be a vertical card compass in the panel. zodiacjeff(at)msn.com wrote: > > > > Hi Gig, > > Won't the magnet in the fan motor disrupt the magnetic compass? > > jeff > > do not archive > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119187#119187 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) Can't speak for Gig but in my panel, the fan below the avionics won't likely be a problem except for electronic noise, which I hope will be minimal. The whiskey compass will be glued to the inside of the canopy bubble away from the glass panel screens etc. The EFIS uses a remotely mounted magnetometer which is away from all the ferrous metal and electrical wires. Dred ---- Jeff Small wrote: Hi Gig, Won't the magnet in the fan motor disrupt the magnetic compass? jeff ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver From: "lo2u" Thanks Ron I will use this forum page more often.. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119192#119192 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:43 PM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Just a reminder that we're looking 8pm edt tonight for the chit chat ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:11 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver DO NOT ARCHIVE, I don't know why you're apologizing, I've seen no reference to anyone being offended. My "crushed, crushed" comment was offered in the spirit of the references below. This is a hobby, have fun, enjoy yourselves. > I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense at my "noise" comment. I meant it in a "tongue-in-cheek" fashion, but thats the problem with these groups, inflections don't get put on the screen. > > If the gravity press works for you, by all means use it. I tried it, but only managed to split a set of dies made of oak. It was this experience that lead me to the plywood solution. And you do have to admit, it IS overkill. I quickly realized that the effort to spin a vise handle is miniscule compared to getting out the floor jack, etc. > > The point I WAS trying to make is that the amount of pressure required is actually very low; not at all what I had initially imagined when talk of hydraulic presses and car weights were put out here. > > Doug Shocked, shocked! Original source: "Casablanca" (Motion picture: Warner Brothers, 1942) Events at Rick's Cafe Americain have become uncomfortable for Casablanca's Vichy government: Freedom fighter Victor Laszlo has led employees and patrons in a rendition of "La Marseillase" to drown some boisterous German soldiers singing "Die Wacht am Rhein." Major Strasser orders the happily corrupt Vichy constable Renault to find a reason to shut Rick's down. When asked by Rick what's going on, Renault replies, "I am shocked! shocked! to find that there is gambling going on here!" At that moment a croupier presents Renault with his own gambling winnings, which he politely accepts. Usage: In a year-end piece recalling the revelation that many of Chicago's aldermen, policemen and city officials had accumulated thousands of unpaid parking tickets, the Chicago Reader recalled that; "The mayor (Richard M. Daley) was shocked, shocked to learn that so many trusted elected officials and civil servants were taking the city for a ride. He was even more shocked that city clerk Jim Laski blew the whistle." "Uncivil Servants," Dec. 27, 1996. Sec. I, p. 25. Often used to refer to someone, often a government official, or Zenith Lister who professes outrage at some unsavory activity performed by another, yet of which he himself is often guilty or obviously has full knowledge. >From CasaBlanca: Rick: (played by Bogart) How can you close me up? On what grounds? Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money] Croupier: Your winnings, sir. Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much. [aloud] Captain Renault: Everybody out at once! Best Regards, Randy, Las Vegas ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:25 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat where is that at? Ben ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob St Denis Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:37:10 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat Just a reminder that we're looking 8pm edt tonight for the chit chat Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:14 PM PST US From: "Skip Perry" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: dual stick option Actually, after I got a flat open end wrench and used duct tape and wire ties to attach it to the end of a steel ruler it was not too hard to do. _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: dual stick option i am bld,g a601xl also w/ dual stick am just about to that point now that you hav pointed out this problem i.m thinking of drilling & tapping and using locktight why not. ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Perry Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: dual stick option I am building a 601XL from a quick-build kit. I chose the dual stick option and it involves drilling into the spar and attempting to snake a nut down the channel and onto an AN3 bolt that is about 9" away. If any of you have done this successfully please, please, please tell me how you did it! I have been trying for about a day and so far I am not winning the war. I understand they now rivet this in place at the factory:-( Thanks for any suggestions. Skip Perry Fort Myers, Florida DO NOT ARCHIVE href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: dual stick option From: "Gig Giacona" That is exactly how I did it as well. sperry50(at)comcast.net wrote: > Actually, after I got a flat open end wrench and used duct tape and wire ties to attach it to the end of a steel ruler it was not too hard to do. > > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119216#119216 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:42 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Horz Stabilizer Hello group ,I am in the process of fitting my horz stabilizer to the fuselage .I have looked in my plans and have found no mention of angle of incidence .Should this be fit up square & level in a neutral position .All suggestions will be appreciated. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer From: "Gig Giacona" It is parallel to the upper longeron. Here's the process http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-t-2c-stabilizer.pdf [quote="wjones(at)brazoriainet.co"]Hello group ,I am in the process of fitting my horz stabilizer to the fuselage .I have looked in my plans and have found no mention of angle of incidence .Should this be fit up square & level in a neutral position .All suggestions will be appreciated. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 > [b] -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119220#119220 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:17 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Thanks Gig ,thats what I needed . I thought that I had read how to do it but I could not find where it was located in the plans .In the future I will read the plans better . Thanks again Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer > > > It is parallel to the upper longeron. Here's the process > > http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-t-2c-stabilizer.pdf > > > [quote="wjones(at)brazoriainet.co"]Hello group ,I am in the process of > fitting my horz stabilizer to the fuselage .I have looked in my plans and > have found no mention of angle of incidence .Should this be fit up > square & level in a neutral position .All suggestions will be > appreciated. > > > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > >> [b] > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119220#119220 > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:01 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: DVD & 701 Hi Guy=92s and Ben, I have been apart of a few DVD=92s for Homebuilthelp.com, I just want to make sure that everyone knows that I in no way have been or ever will be financially re-imbursed for the time I spent in Jon=92s video=92s or in the sale of any of Homebuilthelp.com video=92s. Jon is a great person and he has some great idea=92s to help builders out. However, this is how Jon makes a living and continues to grow his video catalog, sales of the DVD=92s are to a specific clientele and not a very large group. Therefore, I would ask all to consider, not loaning, or if you are going to loan one out try to get a promise from the fellow that he will buy one from Jon, in the future. It is the little guy thing, Jon does not sell millions, thousands or even hundreds, Jon sells one DVD at a time. From this, he invests in new series of DVD=92s and covers his basic living costs. Ben, I=92m glad your getting help and able to buy your own DVD=92s. A lot goes into those productions, not acting of course (at least not on my end), makeup or flashy graphics. Just honest to goodness knowledge being shared. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Zenith-List: DVD & 701 Hello Listers, quick question does anyone have the Sheetmetal work 101 & rudder DVD from Homebuild Help.com that they are not using that maybe they would be willing to part with for a while? I'd get one but the wife says no. thank you, Ben Ramler _____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48223/*http:/get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?g a mekey=monopolyherenow"Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 3:02 PM 3:02 PM ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:08 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying Thank you Mark,=0A=0A I had to fish you email out of the Spam folder. Next Monday or so I will be ordering it and then I will see how feel after watch ing the video. If I still think that I can do it then. My next step will be to get the manual and plans. Right now I feel good about it and I think ev en though I don't have any sheet metal experrience I still this it is doabl e. =0A=0ABen=0AZenith Wanna-be=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: ZodieRocket =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T hursday, June 14, 2007 9:16:31 PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & stud ying=0A=0A=0AI have seen them and I think they are really good, but maybe I =A2m a bit biased? No Really, the videos are not a high cost production, yo u will not find any green screen shots or for that matter would you ever se e a second take. The information is shown as if you were standing right the re, it is a personal approach and presented with a new person in mind. You won=A2t find any premadonna=A2s it is just simple down to earth folks showi ng you the basis for the knowledge you need to build a plane. =0A =0AThe vi deo=A2s are worth every cent, some can save you over two years of learning, the new 701 series will easily save a person at least a year of constructi on time and may even STOP the down time from not understanding a procedure. One thing to always remember though ,there are many ways of working on a p art to achieve a final goal, these videos are not the only way to build, th ey are just one way and will provide a final result that is desirable. They are also not performed by actors, they are done by guys that have been the re and done that before you and just want to share knowledge that they have accumulated over the years. =0A =0ANo One has figured out the SOCK yet tho ugh! Last seen he was stealing the brownies. However, reports have it he ma y be hiding behind another control panel.=0A =0AMark Townsend=0ACan-Zac Avi ation Ltd.=0Apresident@can-zacaviation.com=0Awww.can-zacaviation.com =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.co m [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ramler =0ASent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:33 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A Subject: Zenith-List: Ch-701 & studying=0A =0A Evening Group, =0A Just a question from the outside looking in from the outside sort a sp eak. Has anyone seen these videos from Homebuild help that did not go to th e workshop Zenith HQ? I'm thinking I might flop my money down on that rudde r video just to give me some idea even though I won't act on buying anythin g until flight training is done. I might wind up using Gleim for my studyin g for the written.=0A =0Atake care,=0A =0ABen=0AEAA Member=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AI t's here! Your new message!=0AGet new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Answers - Check it out.=0Ahttp://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:29 PM PST US From: "Rob St Denis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat http://chat.iahu.ca On 6/18/07, Ben Ramler wrote: > > where is that at? > > Ben > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob St Denis > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:37:10 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat > > Just a reminder that we're looking 8pm edt tonight for the chit chat > > * > > * > > > ------------------------------ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket:mail, news, photos & more. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: transponders From: "Tim Juhl" In addition to the Mode C veil - don't forget the requirement to have one for flight in or over Class C airspace. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119253#119253 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cutting a hole in plexiglass (heat in cockpit) From: "Tim Juhl" One of my concerns is air movement while flying. I assume some of the air that comes in via the cool air scoops escapes around the canopy seal, but I wonder if that is enough. An opening in the rear baggage area bulkhead would vent into the tailcone which I'm thinking would be an area of slight negative pressure. That might be enough to help cool air (and heat in the winter) move thru the cockpit. You could even build a vent into the underside of the fuselage if you wanted to. You could also follow Mark's advice and take it a little farther with the muffin fans. I haven't made my decision yet. I think a canopy cover with a reflective outer surface would be a good item to use while parked outside in the sun. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119257#119257 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? From: "chris Sinfield" OH No. My top lines up and the bottom is out by 10mm.. I think I will need to check every measurement again as I dont want to progress with my top Longerons if I have to make a new Firewall. The main thing would be the Engine bolt locations for the engine mount as they are the critcal items.. Chris :( Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119262#119262 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: transponders > In addition to the Mode C veil - don't forget the requirement to have one for flight in or over Class C airspace. Or "At or above 10,000 feet MSL over the 48 contiguous states or the District of Columbia, excluding that airspace below 2,500 feet AGL" Of course as a sport pilot I'm supposed to be below 10,000 feet. I think I'll go back to balloons or switch to gliders. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Is this XL firewall drawing wrong? Chris - I think you will be fine. As others have said, there doesn't seem to be anything too critical about the height of the rear channel. Mine is relatively close to lined up at the bottom, which means the rear channel is higher than the L-angle at the top (whereas others have obviously said theirs doesn't line up at top or bottom). The reason I think you will be fine is that the place I did have a little trouble was in that my engine mounts were really tight against the bottom flange of the rear channel. I would have liked to have another few mm room. You have that room b/c your rear channel is lower than mine. I would also point out that the photo guide shows plenty of room between the flange of the channel and the engine mount - so yours (as opposed to mine) seems to be better. Michael in NH p.s. I tried to send this direct, but your email doesn't seem to valid. Any idea what gives? do not archive On 6/18/07, chris Sinfield wrote: > > chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> > > OH No. > My top lines up and the bottom is out by 10mm.. I think I will need to > check every measurement again as I dont want to progress with my top > Longerons if I have to make a new Firewall. The main thing would be the > Engine bolt locations for the engine mount as they are the critcal items.. > Chris :( > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119262#119262 > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:42 PM PST US From: RClaggf4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Hi all, Came in tonight from working on my 701 because I hit a road block. When I checked my email I saw the post requesting info on the horizontal stab angle of incidence. This is what I needed to know also, except for a 701. After reading the reply about the info for the 601 being on the Zenith web site I went and looked for the 701 info for a couple of hours with no luck. Sooooo.... please forgive me but is the stab on the 701 installed parallel to the top longeron as it is on the 601? Guys I really looked everywhere I could think of. Wayne Clagg do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat From: "Falcon" I'd like to say the chat is a fantastic idea, and I would invite anyone with an interest in Zenith aircraft to participate. We found a couple of highly motivated builders from the Matronics list who don't have the benefit of nearby Zenith builders or EAA Technical Counselors to mentor them or provide much-needed guidance. You might be just the person they need to chat with. I'll look forward to next Monday's session. Thanks, everyone! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119302#119302 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:08 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Wayne, Take a look at 7H3, upper right corner. It shows that the front and rear stab brackets are to be mounted 135mm above ref line A-E. A little anomoly here.. those brackets are 135mm tall themselves, so that means they are to be located right on line A-E... but that cannot work as that imaginary line (A-E) is lower than the top of the fuse, so I believe that means to mount the brackets right at the top of the fuse. Of course, it then needs to be adjusted so that each tip is equal distance from a common point near the front of the fuse (like the 601), and also so that when viewing from the rear of the plane, it matches the 'level' of your wings (I wait til the wings are rigged before final drilling, just my personal choice). Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: RClaggf4u@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Hi all, Came in tonight from working on my 701 because I hit a road block. When I checked my email I saw the post requesting info on the horizontal stab angle of incidence. This is what I needed to know also, except for a 701. After reading the reply about the info for the 601 being on the Zenith web site I went and looked for the 701 info for a couple of hours with no luck. Sooooo.... please forgive me but is the stab on the 701 installed parallel to the top longeron as it is on the 601? Guys I really looked everywhere I could think of. Wayne Clagg do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/17/2007 8:23 AM ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:54 PM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Wayne. The horiz stab is mounted 135mm from the top of the fuse to the top of the stab. You first level the fuse as per instructions on the drawings. Remember the fuse is bowed and you can't just put a level on the top and call it good. Then you level the stab in two directions, front to back and side to side, this you can use a level for. Then like Jon says, adjust the stab to be 90 degrees with the center line of the fuse. Like Jon I used a string to a central point on the front of the fuse. Then drill your mounting holes. Mark S. 701/912ULS ----- Original Message ---- From: "RClaggf4u@aol.com" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:14:29 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Horz Stabilizer Hi all, Came in tonight from working on my 701 because I hit a road block. When I checked my email I saw the post requesting info on the horizontal stab angle of incidence. This is what I needed to know also, except for a 701. After reading the reply about the info for the 601 being on the Zenith web site I went and looked for the 701 info for a couple of hours with no luck. Sooooo.... please forgive me but is the stab on the 701 installed parallel to the top longeron as it is on the 601? Guys I really looked everywhere I could think of. Wayne Clagg do not archive See what's free at AOL.com. 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