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1. 02:17 AM - Re: 601 XL load testing (alex_01)
2. 02:58 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft financing (David Downey)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: xxx Re: 601 XL load testing (David Downey)
4. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL load testing (David Downey)
5. 03:54 AM - Re: 601 XL load testing (alex_01)
6. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Aircraft financing (Juan Vega)
7. 07:29 AM - Grove Two-Piece Wheels (DaveG601XL)
8. 07:31 AM - Wings options (Hans van Riet)
9. 09:02 AM - Grove wheel bolt (Zed Smith)
10. 09:04 AM - First Flight (cleonard52@comcast.net)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: 601 XL load testing (lgingell)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: First Flight (Beckman, Rick)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Grove wheel bolt (DaveG601XL)
14. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL load testing (Steve Shuck)
15. 09:59 AM - Re: Wings options (Gig Giacona)
16. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Wings options (long range tanks) (Carlos Sa)
17. 10:30 AM - Re: First Flight (Terry Turnquist)
18. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Wings options (Frank Stutzman)
19. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Wings options (Robin Bellach)
20. 10:45 AM - Re: Wings options (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
21. 11:17 AM - Re: Wings options (long range tanks) (Gig Giacona)
22. 11:28 AM - Re: Wings options (Gerald Scampoli)
23. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Wings options (Terry Phillips)
24. 11:36 AM - Re: Wings options (Gig Giacona)
25. 01:02 PM - Re: Wings options (george may)
26. 01:13 PM - Re: First Flight (LarryMcFarland)
27. 01:32 PM - Re: Wings options (PatrickW)
28. 03:14 PM - Re: Wings options (chris Sinfield)
29. 04:18 PM - Re: First Flight (Jeff)
30. 06:12 PM - Re: know-it-alls (Dave Thompson)
31. 06:24 PM - Re: Prop/Exhaust comments requested. (Dave Thompson)
32. 07:12 PM - CH 701 in South or North Carolina (helicop)
33. 08:46 PM - Re: Wings options (hansriet)
34. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 06/20/07 ()
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
We use Scotch Weld 9323 B/A with great sucsess. we are also building Carbon fibre
chassis for motorracing (and carbon/alloy) we done several structural tests
including many crash tests and for sure the bond is extrimely good with this
glue
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft financing |
...I guess that the J-3 and its predecesors, Taylorcraft, Champs and their derivatives,
Pitts, Eagles, and any historic airliners, fighters, and bombers (controls
and other portions of the aircraft would not be financed...
do not archive
I am a company the finances aircraft do I give money to someone with a metal aircraft
with history vs, light aircraft covered in cloth. Hummmmmmmmmmm.
JUan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona
>Sent: Jun 21, 2007 3:51 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aircraft financing
>
>
>I'm not slaming Kolb or Ferguson aircraft but they LOOK like ultralights. The
finace people look at the 601 and see something that at looks like a Tomahawk
or a Skipper. In other words a real airplane.
>
>
>ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote:
>> Here's question for all Finance experts out there,
>>
>>
>> How come most aircraft financing are more incline to offer financing like zenith
vs something like Kolb, or ferguson aircraft? Do they base it off of reputatuion?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119888#119888
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
you are certainly right about the "very, VERY small ,seemingly insignificant design
details" John. A number of years ago we lost one of our aircraft, a brand
new upgraded model, with tens of souls on board. The crash investigation (very
thorough because it involved the civilian customer, the military customer,
and Boeing teams) found that (simplified) a design improvement meant to stabilize
and strengthen a ring gear flange to pinion body bolted joint had resulted
in local flexure of that flange with subsequent crackign around the new bolt
installation. Note that we had at the time, about half of the worlds ranking transmission
and gear experts as long time employees - and the joint was not fatigue
tested because no one foresaw that it could change the load paths in that
way.
That incident taught me a lot - A LOT.
John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote: David,
Thanks for the heads up, (we did use 2216) we knew about the temp limitation
as well as all the application snafus. All we were looking for was a method
to ease fabrication. What we got was very unexpected as far as the help with
the buckling problem, which at the time we didn't know existed.
What I was trying to get across to the list was the fact that sometimes very,
VERY small ,seemingly insignificant design details can have a BIG impact on
the final scheme of things.
Another thing worthy of note is several RV's came apart, further testing was
done that ended up with mixed conclusions. Design was amended, (fewer caps
but thicker, better resistance to buckling and a few more vertical stiffeners
on the web) and problem went away. At the time we got our info from the newsletter,
decades before Al invented the 'net. Dick kept us up to date on his
testing, just like Chris is doing here.
Thanks for the info.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: David Downey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: xxx Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL load testing
Please forgive the listing of qualification: A&P, Materials Engineer (composites/adhesives)
at Boeing, 25+ years.
Please keep omnmind that 3M makes a very large assortment of "Scotch-Weld"
adhesives. Unfortunately, one of the more popular ones (and very old) is
EC2216. While the 2216 grey is a very tough and moderately strong adhesive,
it suffers from almost no strength at even moderately elevated temperatures
(above 140F!). Please choose an adhesive that provides decent performance
(greater than 1000 psi lapshear and compression at 220F) to avoid bond strength
degradation at the temperatures that structure can heat soak to on the
ramp. While skin temperatures do cool very rapidly with minimal airflow,
the internal structures can take substantial time to cool.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
Please remember that the bond in composites is vastly different than a metal bond.
All that matters there are clean appropriately active surfaces, good joint
design, and the appropriate adhesive appropriately applied and cured. Also remember
that 100% bonded structures are subject to ballistic failure as the joints
have substantial shear lag and different local speed of sound in the materials.
We use Scotch Weld 9323 B/A with great sucsess. we are also building Carbon fibre
chassis for motorracing (and carbon/alloy) we done several structural tests
including many crash tests and for sure the bond is extrimely good with this
glue
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119972#119972
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
we know the differance between carbon and metal we also manufactured approx 60
Porsche 956/962 Group C chassis and this glue had the best results for strenght
and sheer load - but surface has to be reasonable clean (we use aceton) and
bonding area must also be prepared with find scotch brite or fine sandpaper
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft financing |
in the present day the financing would be not cheap on those planes. possible but
not cheap. more of an insurance issue than finance.
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 22, 2007 5:57 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aircraft financing
>
>...I guess that the J-3 and its predecesors, Taylorcraft, Champs and their derivatives,
Pitts, Eagles, and any historic airliners, fighters, and bombers (controls
and other portions of the aircraft would not be financed...
>
>do not archive
>
>
>I am a company the finances aircraft do I give money to someone with a metal
aircraft with history vs, light aircraft covered in cloth. Hummmmmmmmmmm.
>
>JUan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gig Giacona
>>Sent: Jun 21, 2007 3:51 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aircraft financing
>>
>>
>>I'm not slaming Kolb or Ferguson aircraft but they LOOK like ultralights. The
finace people look at the 601 and see something that at looks like a Tomahawk
or a Skipper. In other words a real airplane.
>>
>>
>>
>>ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote:
>>> Here's question for all Finance experts out there,
>>>
>>>
>>> How come most aircraft financing are more incline to offer financing like
zenith vs something like Kolb, or ferguson aircraft? Do they base it off of reputatuion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--------
>>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>>601XL Under Construction
>>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=119888#119888
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
>Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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| Subject: | Grove Two-Piece Wheels |
What type of tool do you guys use to get on the bolt head on the inside of the
Grove 5013 wheel? The bolt head is so close to the brake disc that no socket
will fit over it. I can jamb the open head end of a combo wrench over it, but
it is not a good solution. Is there a special tool that I am unaware of? I
can see how maybe a fitting wrench with the handle cut off and re-welded could
work, but it should not be this hard. In my opinion, it is a pretty crappy design
on Grove's part.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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I'm about ready to order the wings for my Zodiac XL kit and I would like some insights
on the options.
Having flown with the Canadian flex-aileron equipped demonstrator, I'm pretty much
set on the piano-hinge option.
But what about the wing lockers? Will I need the extra space, especially when I'm
thinking of installing a BRS parachute in the luggage area?
Long range tanks or not? Even in our Cessna Cardinal I never fly longer than 2.5
hours. Do I need the extra range or safe some weight with full tanks?
I was thinking of installing wig-wag lights. Shall I order an extra lens, riblet
and channel and install this mirrored in the opposite wing?
Your thought are greatly appreciated.
Hans van Riet
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| Subject: | Grove wheel bolt |
do not archive
Would a "crow foot" wrench work? Sears, Snap-Off, etc.
Regads,
Zed
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Last week, after almost four years, my Zenith 601xl flew for the first time{with
Bill Clapp at the controls}.You could say I built this plane all by myself,
with a few minor exceptions.
First, I never could have done this with out the help from Zenith Aircraft. Over
four years I easily called the factory an average of four times a week. There
were three or four times, that I called that many times in a day. Everyone at
the factory went out of there way to help me, and to make sure I understood
exactly how things were to be done.
Second, I installed a Corvair engine in the plane, but only with hours of help
from William Wynne[flycorvair.com] and Gus Warren [flywithgus.com]. They also
gave me the leadership to do the firewall foreword part of the installation.
I guess, when you think about it, I really built this plane with a whole lot of
help.
Charles Leonard
N920EL
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<DIV>First, I never could have done this with out the help from Zenith Aircraft.
Over four years I easily called the factory an average of four times a
week. There were three or four times, that I called that many times in a day.
Everyone at the factory went out of there way to help me, and to make sure I understood
exactly how things were to be done.</DIV>
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help from William Wynne[flycorvair.com] and Gus Warren [flywithgus.com]. They
also gave me the leadership to do the firewall foreword part of the installation.</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
I looked closely at the pictures, and the bags say 'Tri Mix', so I googled it,
and it appears to be ED medication that gives you an erection!
Are they trying to use it to make the wings stiff? !!!
--------
Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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Congrats!!!!
Last week, after almost four years, my Zenith 601xl flew for the first
time{with Bill Clapp at the controls}.You could say I built this plane
all by myself, with a few minor exceptions.
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| Subject: | Re: Grove wheel bolt |
My 3/8" drive crows foot would not fit, but it is a bit wide. A 1/4" drive might
work but I don't any in my toolbox. Sounds like a shopping trip.
Thanks,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
working on fueslage.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL load testing |
Yes, I agree, but It only stiff for 36 Hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL load testing
>
> I looked closely at the pictures, and the bags say 'Tri Mix', so I googled
> it, and it appears to be ED medication that gives you an erection!
>
> Are they trying to use it to make the wings stiff? !!!
>
> --------
> Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
> http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120035#120035
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
Weight in the wing lockers have a LOT less moment than anything put in the back
luggage area and that is a good thing. Especially if you are going to hard mount
25 lbs. in the back.
If you never fly more than 2.5 hours why would even consider the long range tanks?
The 12 gallon tanks give you 4+ hours at 5 gph.
hansriet wrote:
> I'm about ready to order the wings for my Zodiac XL kit and I would like some
insights on the options.
>
> Having flown with the Canadian flex-aileron equipped demonstrator, I'm pretty
much set on the piano-hinge option.
>
> But what about the wing lockers? Will I need the extra space, especially when
I'm thinking of installing a BRS parachute in the luggage area?
>
> Long range tanks or not? Even in our Cessna Cardinal I never fly longer than
2.5 hours. Do I need the extra range or safe some weight with full tanks?
>
> I was thinking of installing wig-wag lights. Shall I order an extra lens, riblet
and channel and install this mirrored in the opposite wing?
>
> Your thought are greatly appreciated.
>
> Hans van Riet
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options (long range tanks) |
The only thing I can think is, perhaps to go to places where there is no
fuel available?
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
On 22/06/07, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> ...
>
> If you never fly more than 2.5 hours why would even consider the long
> range tanks? The 12 gallon tanks give you 4+ hours at 5 gph.
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Nice going Charles, everyone who gets their plane in the air is an inspiration
to the rest of us!
Do not archive.
Terry Turnquist
601XL-Plans
St. Peters, MO
cleonard52@comcast.net wrote:
Last week, after almost four years, my Zenith 601xl flew for the first time{with
Bill Clapp at the controls}.You could say I built this plane all by myself,
with a few minor exceptions.
First, I never could have done this with out the help from Zenith Aircraft. Over
four years I easily called the factory an average of four times a week. There
were three or four times, that I called that many times in a day. Everyone
at the factory went out of there way to help me, and to make sure I understood
exactly how things were to be done.
Second, I installed a Corvair engine in the plane, but only with hours of help
from William Wynne[flycorvair.com] and Gus Warren [flywithgus.com]. They also
gave me the leadership to do the firewall foreword part of the installation.
I guess, when you think about it, I really built this plane with a whole lot
of help.
Charles Leonard
N920EL
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Gig Giacona wrote:
> If you never fly more than 2.5 hours why would even consider the long
> range tanks? The 12 gallon tanks give you 4+ hours at 5 gph.
Probably for the same reason you see a lot of tip tanks on high
performance singles.
It really reduces operational costs when you have the ability to
load up on cheap fuel when the opportunity arises.
Frank Stutzman
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
I've been places where the price of fuel has made me wish I could have
brought more along.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wings options
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
> If you never fly more than 2.5 hours why would even consider the long
> range tanks? The 12 gallon tanks give you 4+ hours at 5 gph.
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
Hello Hans:
IMHO, wing lockers are a must for all the reasons mentioned previously.
RE: Long-range tanks - just remember, you don't HAVE to fill them up all the
way all the time - just when you want extra fuel on board. It's not an
option you can easily add later, do if it's in the budget, do it NOW,
You have the same thoughts as I RE: wig-wag lights. Here's a thought: I
assume you successfully built your rudder and stab by now and you're getting
pretty good at all this, right ??? By the time you finish the first wing your
skill set will be even further along...so why not wait until you're ready to
order up those extra parts for the extra light....you might feel confident
enough to SCRATCH-BUILD your first parts.
Just my $0.02
Tracy Smith
N458XL (reserved)
601XL
working on wings - forever
do not archive
In a message dated 6/22/2007 9:32:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hansinla@mac.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com>
I'm about ready to order the wings for my Zodiac XL kit and I would like
some insights on the options.
Having flown with the Canadian flex-aileron equipped demonstrator, I'm
pretty much set on the piano-hinge option.
But what about the wing lockers? Will I need the extra space, especially
when I'm thinking of installing a BRS parachute in the luggage area?
Long range tanks or not? Even in our Cessna Cardinal I never fly longer than
2.5 hours. Do I need the extra range or safe some weight with full tanks?
I was thinking of installing wig-wag lights. Shall I order an extra lens,
riblet and channel and install this mirrored in the opposite wing?
Your thought are greatly appreciated.
Hans van Riet
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options (long range tanks) |
Well if the longest he EVER flys is 2.5 hours you'd have to have both his max flight
and no available fuel happen on the same flight.
He can always throw some gas cans in the wing lockers.
carlossa52(at)gmail.com wrote:
> The only thing I can think is, perhaps to go to places where there is no fuel
available?
>
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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Hans,
My first instructor taught me that there is nothing less valuable to a pilot
than runway behind you, altitude above you or fuel left on the ground.
If you are certain that you are NEVER going to fly more than 2 1/2 hour
legs, standard tanks are the way to go. But, on an extended cross-country,
eliminating a fuel stop or two can save a lot of time and, believe it or
not, fuel. You can always fill the tanks only half full for the short
jaunts and eliminate the weight penalty, but it's really convenient to have
the ability to extend your cross-country legs to 3 1/2 to 4 hours.
In my case though, my kidney will usually force a stop long before the fuel
runs low.
Blue skies,
Gerry Scampoli
Hingham, MA
601XL - Corvair
>From: Hans van Riet <hansinla@mac.com>
>Long range tanks or not? Even in our Cessna Cardinal I never fly longer
>than 2.5 hours. Do I need the extra range or safe some weight with full
>tanks?
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
Hans
I chose to go with the wing lockers even without a BRS parachute, because
the Zenith folks tell me that the main baggage area is limited to 40 lbs.
That is about what I used to carry in my pack when backpacking--not much
for two people. I chose to go with the standard 12 gal tanks, mostly
because I didn't want the extra weight, and, as Gig points out, 4 hrs is
about as long as I'm likely to fly. Finally, regarding the wig-wag lights,
I just bought a lens from Zenith which I plan to cut in half, one piece for
each wing. Then I plan to scratch build a mounting plate for HID landing
and taxi lights, probably 35W units from Creativair. I'm assuming that the
small HID lights will do fine with half a lens. I haven't worked out the
final design. I hope it will all fit together.
Of course, I'm still working on my rudder, so my wig-wag plans are long way
from fruition.
Terry
At 09:58 AM 6/22/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Weight in the wing lockers have a LOT less moment than anything put in the
>back luggage area and that is a good thing. Especially if you are going to
>hard mount 25 lbs. in the back.
>
>If you never fly more than 2.5 hours why would even consider the long
>range tanks? The 12 gallon tanks give you 4+ hours at 5 gph.
>
>
>hansriet wrote:
> > I'm about ready to order the wings for my Zodiac XL kit and I would
> like some insights on the options.
> >
> > Having flown with the Canadian flex-aileron equipped demonstrator, I'm
> pretty much set on the piano-hinge option.
> >
> > But what about the wing lockers? Will I need the extra space,
> especially when I'm thinking of installing a BRS parachute in the luggage area?
> >
> > Long range tanks or not? Even in our Cessna Cardinal I never fly longer
> than 2.5 hours. Do I need the extra range or safe some weight with full tanks?
> >
> > I was thinking of installing wig-wag lights. Shall I order an extra
> lens, riblet and channel and install this mirrored in the opposite wing?
> >
> > Your thought are greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Hans van Riet
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
The long range tanks are 15 gallon, right? So we are talking 6 extra gallons. If
your normal fuel price is say $3.50 and where you are going is double that you
are only saving $22.00.
Plus fully fueled it is an additional ~36lbs and I like to be fully fueled.
stutzman(at)stutzman.com wrote:
>
> Probably for the same reason you see a lot of tip tanks on high
> performance singles.
>
> It really reduces operational costs when you have the ability to
> load up on cheap fuel when the opportunity arises.
>
> Frank Stutzman
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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"wing options"
Hans--
I agree the hinge aileron is the way to go ,I did.
The "long range " tanks are also a good option to have. They were not
available when I got my kit. The only option then was two 12 gallon tanks in
each wing which complicated the fuel valve too much for me. The extra 6
gallons capacity is good to have.
I installed a wigwag, but instead of using a light in each wing, I wigwaged
the taxi and landing lights that are adjacent to each other.
Good luck
George May
601XL 912s---92 hours
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations on your completion , Charles,
Very pleased to hear you're beginning the second great adventure.
Do fly safe,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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cleonard52@comcast.net wrote:
> Last week, after almost four years, my Zenith 601xl flew for the first
> time{with Bill Clapp at the controls}.You could say I built this plane
> all by myself, with a few minor exceptions.
>
> First, I never could have done this with out the help from Zenith
> Aircraft. Over four years I easily called the factory an average of
> four times a week. There were three or four times, that I called that
> many times in a day. Everyone at the factory went out of there way to
> help me, and to make sure I understood exactly how things were to be done.
>
> Second, I installed a Corvair engine in the plane, but only with hours
> of help from William Wynne[flycorvair.com] and Gus Warren
> [flywithgus.com]. They also gave me the leadership to do the firewall
> foreword part of the installation.
>
> I guess, when you think about it, I really built this plane with a
> whole lot of help.
>
> Charles Leonard
> N920EL
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
I went with the hingless ailerons.
I bought the wing locker option, but am having second thoughts about installing
it. Haven't closed my top skins yet, so I can still change my mind...
Went with the 15 gallon tanks - thinking cross country weekends to airports with
no fuel. Mostly peace of mind.
Am considering a BRS. Might mount my battery ahead of the firewall for CG, but
that's a ways in the future for me.
Probably as many different configuration ideas as there are builders :)
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
Hi
Chris from Down Under with an XL kit.
I went with the wing lockers, yes they are thinner than the thick wing HD,s, but
for the small cost they make a great option available to the pilot when it comes
to W&B.
I went with Long range tanks only because down here sometimes you have to buy AVGAS
in 44 Gal drums at a time and what you dont take in your plane is left for
the locals ( see them que up for free fuel for their cars) With the wing lockers
I have seen mods to make it a spare fuel can area. Its up to you and your
spacific needs, it is more money and you dont get a credit for not having the
normal tanks. 2.5 hours in a Cessna cardinal ver's XL is very different so take
a long look at range req Vs speed/time.
I put strobes on only because I will be flying at night ,what are you going to
be using your Aircraft for? it is always an option to wire it up and decide later.
I put my strobe power suppys out at the wing tip.
I also stayed with the hingless design for 2 reasons, and I am a flight engineer
on big aircraft. I dont want to do aerobatics I am happy with the feel. It
is also a very good talking point amongst the rest of the aero engineers at work
they are amazed and roll their eyes till they look at the data from Chris H.
then all agree its save simple and easy.
Horses for courses.
Chris.
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Do not archive this ..
Congratulations Charles .. And Zenith .. And William Wynne .. There could
not be a better story of support from our vendors. I am so glad that Chris
was not satisfied building just a small part on a large airplane, but rather
needed to design and build the complete machine.
Jeff Davidson
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cleonard52@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
Last week, after almost four years, my Zenith 601xl flew for the first
time{with Bill Clapp at the controls}.You could say I built this plane all
by myself, with a few minor exceptions.
First, I never could have done this with out the help from Zenith Aircraft.
Over four years I easily called the factory an average of four times a week.
There were three or four times, that I called that many times in a day.
Everyone at the factory went out of there way to help me, and to make sure I
understood exactly how things were to be done.
Second, I installed a Corvair engine in the plane, but only with hours of
help from William Wynne[flycorvair.com] and Gus Warren [flywithgus.com].
They also gave me the leadership to do the firewall foreword part of the
installation.
I guess, when you think about it, I really built this plane with a whole lot
of help.
Charles Leonard
N920EL
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| Subject: | Re: know-it-alls |
Here! Here!
I for one like to know who and where information is coming from. This allows
me to validate or invalidate the information I'm reading. I appreciate the
"I know this because" or "Just my opinion" statements. As for "sounding like
a know-it all", sometimes the facts stated are from someone that DOES know
(of course sometimes not). When one of my students makes a statement, I
usually ask "where did you get that information?"
Just my opinion.
Do not archive
Dave Thompson
Westminster, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Prop/Exhaust comments requested. |
I am by no means any kind of expert on this subject. However, when I read
about the "Pulse vibration" I thought of the harmonic balancer that I added
to my '61 Corvair back in high school. '65 and up had them, '64 and below
just had a pulley. There was a noticeable difference in the vibration after
I add the harmonic balancer. I don't know if there is an appropriate place
to install one or if that would even help. I just wanted to pass along my
thoughts.
Do not archive
Dave Thompson
Westminster, CA
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| Subject: | CH 701 in South or North Carolina |
If anyone has a CH 701 in the Carolinas, and would not mind me taking a look at
it, please email me. I have had an interest in the Kitfox, but I would like
to look at a 701 and possibly sit in it, if that could be arranged. I live in
Charleston, SC, but I spend alot of time in the Greenville SC area along with
North Carolina. Please let me know. I appreciate it.
You can email me at garymail at bellsouth.net.
Thanks again,
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Wings options |
Thank your all for your insights. This is a fantastic group.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 06/20/07 |
I too have a problem with using someone's original design as a template
for a profit-making venture. That sort of thing, to quote the Brits,
"just isn't done, old boy."
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave P<mailto:aristotelian1@msn.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 06/20/07
Forgive me, But I fail to understand why any member of the corvair
community would sell their first generation hubs to a counterfeiter to
save a few bucks. Undermining WW sales at the expense of severing ties
with him seems like false economy to me. Instead of contacting this
counterfeiter off list, have the guts to contact him here, in the open,
if you intend to do business with him so that we may all recognize you
for what you are. If you have trouble with doing that, perhaps you
should reconsider who you choose to buy critical components from. I'll
choose to buy mine from someone who has done their own research and
development.
Dave Petersen
601XL Corvair
building wings in Oregon
Time: 03:40:44 PM PST US
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com<mailto:Afterfxllc@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: WW's Black prop hub
I am looking for 2 of the old style black prop hubs with puck. If you
were
thinking of switching to the gold one contact me off list. I have
someone that
will make them in batches of 10 but thought I could help someone out
by
buying theirs for what you paid for it. I understand that William is
only giving
partial credit for the swap.
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