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1. 05:21 AM - Killing Off the Dynon Keep-Alive (Frank Derfler)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: June 25 (Ben Ramler)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: June 25 (Paul Tipton)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump (japhillipsga@aol.com)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump (japhillipsga@aol.com)
6. 09:29 AM - Re: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump (japhillipsga@aol.com)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: CH601 hung up in a tree (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 10:04 AM - Re: CH601 hung up in a tree (japhillipsga@aol.com)
9. 11:28 AM - prop bolts (alex trent)
10. 12:16 PM - AOA and corvair stuff (Jeff Small)
11. 03:07 PM - Re: prop bolts (LarryMcFarland)
12. 04:31 PM - 701 Upholstery Problem (ricklach)
13. 04:40 PM - On-Line Parts Ordering (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery Problem (Aaron Gustafson)
15. 07:14 PM - corvair intake manifold material (Bob Duns)
16. 07:14 PM - Re: June 25 (Steve Hulland)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery Problem (David Downey)
18. 09:12 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery Problem (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
19. 10:17 PM - Re: 701 unusable fuel (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Killing Off the Dynon Keep-Alive |
This is useful info for all folks with Dynons in their Zeniths. (Aside: I
love my Dynon and their support is top notch! But, I'm always suspicious of
something that wants to "trickle" off the battery. It can trickle the
battery to death.) Note that Dynon expects to have a new software release
out for all products by the end of the month.
Here's the problem:
My D180 was installed by AMD in my AMD-made Zodiac CH601XL in October of
2006. Honestly, I do not know how long the 1st backup battery lasted, but at
the 50 hour checkup it was dead, so AMD replaced it. Now, 60 days later, the
2nd backup battery is dead. It reads zero volts on the panel and the D-180
goes off with the master switch. The plane is regularly flown several hours
a week, so according to the specs the battery should have had plenty of time
to charge *even if* the keep alive is not connected, but the keep alive is
connected.
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TO the credit of Dynon, I received a prompt and useful reply:
Dynon Technical SupportPosts: *
"We've had a few little bugs with the D180's battery charging system. We
spent a bunch of time with it over the last few months and really hope the
firmware update that is just about to come out will fix all of this. We did
tweak it in the last update too, which made it better, but it didn't fix
everyone's issues. We'd suggest waiting for this next update (hopefully on a
few days away), installing it, and seeing if it fixes the problem and
charges the battery. It's highly likely that the battery is fine, it's just
not charged up. Also, as a side note, it's almost always keep alive that
causes the problem, so if you can pull a fuse or anything for keep alive,
that will probably fix the problem as well, and you should see the battery
start to charge at the next power-up. "
*
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why with all crashes all of sudden. this doesn't make the 701 any more unsafe then
the next design does it?
Ben
----- Original Message ----
From: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:57:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: June 25
> At least there wern't any fatalities...do not
> archive
--- Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> It doesn't look like June 25 was a good day for
> 701's.
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 701LJ Make/Model: EXP
> Description: CH701SP
> Date: 06/23/2007 Time: 2000
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None
> Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Substantial
>
> LOCATION
> City: LANCASTER State: TX Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> AIRCRAFT LANDED HARD AND NOSE GEAR COLLAPSED,
> LANCASTER, TX
>
> ****************************************************
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 281Z Make/Model: CH70
> Description: CH-701 ZENAIR
> Date: 06/24/2007 Time: 1930
>
> Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor
> Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Destroyed
>
> LOCATION
> City: FORT BRIDGER State: WY Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES AND
> BURNED, NEAR FORT BRIDGER,
> WY
>
> *************************************************
>
> My condolences ....
>
> :(
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
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Damn... no wings fell off!
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump |
Randy, that's the same thing he told me, thanks, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy <rpf@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump
Hi Bill,
=C2-
I fly a 601xl and turn my elec. fuel pump on for about 10 seconds before sta
rting the engine.=C2- Turn the pump off start the engine and it's not used
again during flight or landing.=C2- This is what Pete, at Jabiru USA, sai
d they do.
=C2-
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump
Dear Jab 3300 Flyers,=C2- show of hands. How many use the elec fuel pump o
n run up ? How many use the elec fuel pump on take off ? And again in the pa
ttern for landing ? Hope to hear from you guys and best regards, Bill of Geo
rgia
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump |
Tony, I do the same, thanks for the info. Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: T. Graziano <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 2:28 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump
Very seldom* use electric=C2-fuel pump=C2-on=C2-take off=C2-although
I put it in my checklist to use on take off and landing.=C2- Same for Lan
ding.=C2-(It causes my fuel flow turbine to read too high - I placed the f
uel flow turbine too close to the elec pump.)=C2-
I do use the electric pump for 10 seconds before start. I do not use it for
run-up
=C2-
*If the runway is short, I DO use the electric pump for take off and landing
.
=C2-
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab3300; N493TG 252 fun hrs=C2-with the XL- and never had a carb or sta
rt problem or concern.
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Subject:
=C2-Jab 3300 Fuel Pump=C2-=C2-=C2-
From:
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Date:
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
Wed Jun 20 - 9:44 AM
Dear Jab 3300 Flyers, show of hands. How many use the elec fuel pump on run
p ? How many use the elec fuel pump on take off ? And again in the pattern
or landing ? Hope to hear from you guys and best regards, Bill of Georgia
Subject:
=C2-Jab 3300 Fuel Pump=C2-=C2-=C2-
From:
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JAPhillipsGA@aol.comJAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Date:
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
Wed Jun 20 - 9:44 AM
Dear Jab 3300 Flyers, show of hands. How many use the elec fuel pump on run
p ? How many use the elec fuel pump on take off ? And again in the pattern
or landing ? Hope to hear from you guys and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump |
Rick, I do the same thing for the same reason, Thanks for the info, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: rick tedford <rick.tedford@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump
Hello Bill : The only time I use the electric pump is to prime the system be
fore start up . I don't think putting the pump into the system before the ga
scolator is=C2- good as it would pressurise same and those can leak quite
easily . Naturally it is there as a back up in the event the pump on the eng
ine fails .
Best Regards
Rick Tedford
601XL , Jab 3300
C-FRTT ,=C2-250 hours=C2-
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jab 3300 Fuel Pump
Dear Jab 3300 Flyers,=C2- show of hands. How many use the elec fuel pump o
n run up ? How many use the elec fuel pump on take off ? And again in the pa
ttern for landing ? Hope to hear from you guys and best regards, Bill of Geo
rgia
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 hung up in a tree |
Ed, 50 hours in a plane over Mississippi without refueling has to be a record.
Call Guinness. Glad he wasn't hurt much. How would you get a 601 out of a tree
? Without hurting the tree ? Best regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 hung up in a tree
The only explanation I can think of is that the pilot/builder must have used
green scotchbrite. The stuff has been rumored to drastically slow down the
broadcast signal from ELTs.
Dred
Do Not Archive
---- ihab.awad@gmail.com wrote:
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> On 6/21/07, MaxNr@aol.com <MaxNr@aol.com> wrote:
> > CAP just saved a CH601 pilot that was hung up in a tree top for 50 hours in
> > Mississippi http://www.aero-news.net/
>
> This may be a dumb question, but how did it take them 50 hours (ok, 48
> hours since it says they took 2 hours getting him out) to find him?
> ELT signals should be picked up pretty quickly, no? Then all you have
> to do is triangulate, send a heli, and you're done. Right? What am I
> missing?
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 hung up in a tree |
Maybe we should carry rope ladders for climbing down from trees when we land
in them along with our hammers for busting out the canopy in case we flip o
ver and ballistic parachutes in case the fan stops turning or the wings fall
off and add a couple more fuel pumps just in case we have vapor lock, and a
survival pack with food, water and tent in case we are forced down in the "
wilderness," and life preservers in case we come down in a lake.=C2-Where
is this all going ? I'm almost too scared to fly my XL now. Best regards, Bi
ll of Georgia=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 5:34 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 hung up in a tree
Sounds like another good reason to install the next generation of ELTs.
side from the satellite location being tighter (25 square nm vs. 500 square
m) the higher power pulsed output is more likely to punch through a foliage
anopy:
"Unlike the 121.50Mhz ELT, which transmits a continuous 100mW signal, the
06Mhz ELT transmits a whopping five watts for every 50 seconds for one-half
econd. Because the system isn't always transmitting, battery life is fairly
ong. Transmitting in short bursts allows the satellite to track up to 90
LTs at once."
www.avionicswest.com/articles/406elt.htm
www.sarsat.noaa.gov/406vs121.pdf
I spent the $1000 to get the Artex ME406:
www.artex.net/products/products.php?categoryid=15
If I fly over hostile terrain a lot I'll consider springing for a PLB:
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I have removed the warp drive prop from my 601 and found some
evidence of fretting. It is on a Dave Johnson PRSU and calls for 8 X
1.25 mm bolts. These bolts are quit loose in the prop hub (lots of side
play). Also I am not sure of the class of the bolt. The metric
equivalent of SAE grade 8 is 10.9 but the bolt heads don't indicate
this. I feel rather uneasy about the situation does anybody have some
helpful suggestions?
alex t.
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| Subject: | AOA and corvair stuff |
Ran across a new site that has an interesting AOA and lots of stuff for
you Nader drivers.
http://www.venturay.com/<http://www.venturay.com/>
cheers jeff
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Hi Alex,
I'd be inclined to forward your discussion of this to the Warp Drive
people. They would likely
want to support you and offer advice and or replacement product from
their experiences.
Their support is excellent and rather unconditional.
You fly their prop, they will want to support you.
www.*warp**drive**props*.com/
Good luck
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
alex trent wrote:
>
> I have removed the warp drive prop from my 601 and found some
> evidence of fretting. It is on a Dave Johnson PRSU and calls for 8 X
> 1.25 mm bolts. These bolts are quit loose in the prop hub (lots of
> side play). Also I am not sure of the class of the bolt. The metric
> equivalent of SAE grade 8 is 10.9 but the bolt heads don't indicate
> this. I feel rather uneasy about the situation does anybody have some
> helpful suggestions?
>
> alex t.
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Upholstery Problem |
The upholstery in my 701 has a problem. The seat cushion and seat back are held
in with 1 1/2 inch Velcro strips. The Velcro is sewn on to the back of the seat
cushion and seat back, no problem there. But the Velcro on the aircraft is
only GLUED to the aluminum. So every time I want to take the seats out half of
the Velcro that is glued to the aluminum pulls loose from the aluminum. Is there
a better way to PERMINENTLY attach the Velcro to the aluminum? Any suggestions
or help would be appreciated.
Rick
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| Subject: | On-Line Parts Ordering |
Gang:
Kudos here to Zenith for getting their on-line parts ordering running
pretty smoothly.
My first attempt to order parts, about 2 months ago, resulted incorrect
parts and numbers of parts being shipped and incorrect charges.
Last Thursday, I on-line ordered a replacement part (Yes, I misdrilled
it...). Got a e-mail confirmation and e-receipt nearly immediately and
a shipping confirmation the same day. Got the part on Monday and went
back to work!
Note that replacement parts seem to come from a standard kit BOM. They
may (probably won't) have any of the additional work that might have
been done in a QB kit.
FWIW,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Upholstery Problem |
Can you put some rivets in it? Especially at the ends.
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| Subject: | corvair intake manifold material |
I am still working on 601HD/Corvair project and would like to know what type of
tubing is being used from the carb to the intake manifold, e.g., aluminium, thin-wall
steel, or thin-wall stainless. I had Burns Stainless 6061 U-bends welded
to the heads (1/2 bend to each head). WW sells nice thin-wall stainless
intakes but I want to research my own setup. Specs and suppliers for intake manifolds
would be appreciated.
Regards,
Bob Duns
Melfort, Sask. Canada
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Boy,
Do some people get uptight because several airplanes of one type crash.
Happens all the time with certified airplanes. And like them, most Zodiac
airplanes are fine, the guy with blank spots between his ears is ALMOST
ALWAYS at fault.
Build and Fly. Do not archive
--
Semper Fi,
Steven R. Hulland
CH 600 Taildragger
Amado, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Upholstery Problem |
we used to bond new Velcro to aluminum using EC1300 (possibly similar to 3M weatherstrip
adhesive?). Make sure to cut the corners/ends to as perfect a radius
as possible. Apply the adhesive in a continuous coating to both the velcro back
and the aluminum. After drying, re-activate the dried coating with MEK and
clamp in blocks/rub down. Allow ample time to ensure total fixturing before attempting
to separate. Note that this technique does not work with Velcro that
has the adhesive coating (shiny layer) already on the back side.
Can you put some rivets in it? Especially at the ends.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Upholstery Problem |
In a message dated 6/26/2007 6:33:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
rick@ravengear.us writes:
Is there a better way to PERMINENTLY attach the Velcro to the aluminum?
------------
Perhaps a couple of wire staples in each piece would do it.
Make them out of house wire, like number 12. Just bend them into staples the
width that would fit, drill holes to fit, bend the legs into place to secure
the Velcro to the aluminum.
Staples like this are removable, strong and have a low profile with no sharp
edges showing. The aluminum wire might be strong enough for this use.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: 701 unusable fuel |
Chuck
I'm certainly no expert on this subject, but I have read a column by John
Deakin that addresses this issue. Deakin's position is that we should all
determine by flight test just exactly how much usable fuel is available in
each tank of our aircraft. See:
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182044-1.html
It makes sense to me. If and when I finish my 601, I plan to do exactly
what he suggests. Deakin seems knowledgeable, thoughtful, and smart. I find
his columns great reading. See
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/list.html
for list of columns.
Terry
At 03:12 PM 6/24/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>My 701 ten gallon wing tanks (no header tank) actually hold 10.8 gallons
>each.
>
>When the nose is low or in a slip the tank fuel outlet can be uncovered if
>the fuel is too low.
>
>In general, what is the unusable quantity of fuel for the wing tanks in a
>CH 701, particularly for landing?
>
>Thanks,
>Chuck D.
>N701TX
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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