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1. 06:32 AM - HDS nose skin goof (Peter Barthold)
2. 06:55 AM - Re: HDS nose skin goof (Trainnut01@aol.com)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: HDS nose skin goof (LarryMcFarland)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: corvair intake manifold material (Ron Lendon)
5. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: corvair intake manifold material (Robin Bellach)
7. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Craig Payne)
8. 12:16 PM - Re: Bracket (Schloss)
9. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (LarryMcFarland)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
11. 12:37 PM - Re: CH601 hung up in a tree (japhillipsga@aol.com)
12. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
13. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Southern Reflections)
14. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Southern Reflections)
15. 04:25 PM - Re: HDS nose skin goof (Bill Naumuk)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (leinad)
17. 06:29 PM - Re: corvair intake manifold material (leinad)
18. 06:49 PM - Zenith Builders Monday Night Chat (leinad)
19. 08:12 PM - Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Brandon Tucker)
20. 11:44 PM - Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine (Kemter)
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| Subject: | HDS nose skin goof |
Fellow builders,
while self confidently fitting the nose skin to my left HDS wing, I managed to
slip off and create two huge "smilys" (about the size of a palm ). Both are located
prominently between S6 and S7 in the upper curve of the D section. :x
...both not very deep (approx. 0.5mm) but clearly visible.
This also dented my builders pride heavily, of course [Embarassed]
I now have 2 Questions to the snickering audience: [Wink]
1. is there any way of removing those dents other than to shred the nose skin?
I'd hate to remove it since the belly of the wing is already riveted in place
2. Are these just cosmetic imperfections or do they present some sort of structural
problem.
any advice appreciated...
cheers from Germany
Peter
HDS TD
Tail done, wings in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
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| Subject: | Re: HDS nose skin goof |
Peter
Just two? I had three. If you don't plan on polishing the wing its not much
of a problem. I filled mine with Super-fill from ACS. After sanding and
priming you can't even find them. ZAC gave their blessing on this.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: HDS nose skin goof |
Hi Peter,
I dinged my nose skin during the bending process and thought it was lost
too, but found that with a little
back block and tapping, the substantial ding was mostly removed. Ended
up with a little primer filler
and paint and it disappeared 3 years later. Think if you use a light
filler and primer, you'll do fine. It's
not a structural problem.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/centerwing/noseskins/full/nose-skin-rash.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Peter Barthold wrote:
>
> Fellow builders,
>
> while self confidently fitting the nose skin to my left HDS wing, I managed to
slip off and create two huge "smilys" (about the size of a palm ). Both are
located prominently between S6 and S7 in the upper curve of the D section. :x
> ...both not very deep (approx. 0.5mm) but clearly visible.
>
>
> This also dented my builders pride heavily, of course [Embarassed]
>
> I now have 2 Questions to the snickering audience: [Wink]
>
> 1. is there any way of removing those dents other than to shred the nose skin?
I'd hate to remove it since the belly of the wing is already riveted in place
>
> 2. Are these just cosmetic imperfections or do they present some sort of structural
problem.
>
> any advice appreciated...
>
> cheers from Germany
>
> Peter
> HDS TD
> Tail done, wings in progress
> www.petersprojekt42.de
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121047#121047
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: corvair intake manifold material |
>From Flycorvair.com
Stainless Steel Intakes
These Intake Manifolds are fabricated from CNC bent 1.5" very thin wall stainless.
The carb flanges and mounting hardware are also stainless, and are easily
polished to a chrome like finish. These intakes are designed to mate with our
low profile welded on aluminum intake pipes on the heads. Both Falcon and our
shop have jigs to weld the pipes on your heads to mate with these manifolds. If
you're planning on welding the aluminum pipes to your heads yourself, the Intake
Manifold can be used as an alignment jig to get the pipes on the correct
place on the heads. Our Intake Manifold is available in two versions: one with
a vertical carb mounting for builders using MA3 and Stromberg carburetors, the
other with the carb flange canted 13 degrees forward to install an Ellison or
Aero-Carb. All manifolds have the provisions for a primer or MAP port.
The $269 price includes shipping in the U.S. International S&H, including Canada,
will be billed separately. I accept payment by check or money order in U.S.
dollars payable to William Wynne, 5000-18 HWY 17 #247, Orange Park, FL 32003,
or credit cards via PayPal by clicking below:
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
TOOO funny Craig But it does seem like William changed the way he did
business so I guess I did make an impact. I was the only one with balls enough
to
go against the self proclaimed god of the corvair. I do hope he keeps it up so
I don't have to start selling the knock off's of his parts that he knocks off
from everyone else.
BTW we figured out how to make Williams deep oil pan NOT leak.
Good times
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| Subject: | Re: corvair intake manifold material |
Has anyone who ordered these in the last nine months received them yet? Just
curious as to how far back in line I might be.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: corvair intake manifold material
>
>>From Flycorvair.com
>
> Stainless Steel Intakes
> These Intake Manifolds are fabricated from CNC bent 1.5" very thin wall
> stainless. The carb flanges and mounting hardware are also stainless, and
> are easily polished to a chrome like finish. These intakes are designed to
> mate with our low profile welded on aluminum intake pipes on the heads.
> Both Falcon and our shop have jigs to weld the pipes on your heads to mate
> with these manifolds. If you're planning on welding the aluminum pipes to
> your heads yourself, the Intake Manifold can be used as an alignment jig
> to get the pipes on the correct place on the heads. Our Intake Manifold is
> available in two versions: one with a vertical carb mounting for builders
> using MA3 and Stromberg carburetors, the other with the carb flange canted
> 13 degrees forward to install an Ellison or Aero-Carb. All manifolds have
> the provisions for a primer or MAP port.
> The $269 price includes shipping in the U.S. International S&H, including
> Canada, will be billed separately. I accept payment by check or money
> order in U.S. dollars payable to William Wynne, 5000-18 HWY 17 #247,
> Orange Park, FL 32003, or credit cards via PayPal by clicking below:
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121077#121077
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
As I said, your responses are always amusing - still the center of your
universe I see.
William is always changing his business. This last round has more to do with
changes in the lives of his hanger crew and his new marriage than the slimy
stuff you are doing.
-- Craig
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Well done Leo
Hope your getting back on your feet in a timely manner.
Phil
Pomona, MO
601XL Lyc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Bracket
> Hi Gang, I'm back after 8 months of heart and lung problems. A stint
> inserted last month has taken care of the heart. Exercise is improving
> my breathing. While I was recuperating I ordered a Trichotometric
> Indicator
> for my Zenith. I am having a real hard time installing the bracket. I
> have attached the instructions for the bracket. Maybe one of you guys
> can figure it out and give me some advise.
>
> Leo Gates
> 601Z, CH601HDS TDO
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Hey Guys,
Ive been reading posts from people waiting for WWs parts long after
fronting the cash and that can be a serious problem. If someone else
engages production of another engine derived of the Corvair without
selling WWs intellectual property, there should be no issues.
Competition is good in engines, VW, Chevy, etc, but when intellectual
property, not to be confused with box technology is being sold by
someone other than the owner, legal action can easily be taken by or on
behalf of WW.
Just an opinion of course,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com <http://www.macsmachine.com/>
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Craig Payne wrote:
> As I said, your responses are always amusing - still the center of
> your universe I see.
> William is always changing his business. This last round has more to
> do with changes in the lives of his hanger crew and his new marriage
> than the slimy stuff you are doing.
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Yup Craig I'm glad you are amused. I am amused every time I see some poor
builder out there waiting for their parts that they paid for over 9 months ago
while William is out on vacation. You must be one of those guys that would
follow someone off a cliff. The good news is that I did make molds and jigs off
Williams parts and I won't have to wait 9 months for him to quit talking
about himself and make my parts I will make them myself and finish my project
on
my schedule not Williams.
As far as the other list I have no desire to be on it. I found it quit
amusing that I got kicked off but from what I understand it isn't a corvair list
it is a WW list. I own several big web sites and if I wanted to be on that list
I would be on it.
I have finished and flown my first 601 XL with a corvair and I am building 2
more. I found several flaws in Williams way of doing things but of course I
am not William so anything I would want to contribute would be pointless. And
no Craig that isn't me in the pic.
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 hung up in a tree |
Ed, if I remember you rivet pieces of "L" angle on the top of the stab that fit
inside the fiberglass cover. I built by the plans and rivetted the cover down
under the turtdle deck skin and to the brackets. When? at annual I needed to
see inside there to inspect so I drilled out the rivets and reinstalled with nutplates.
Would have been a lot easier before I painted, Best regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 hung up in a tree
Yep Jay. This is a concept that dentists are acutely aware of. It's called path
of insertion; we deal with it all the time on bridegework. The dirty little secret
is that the geometry of the stab attach brackets will not allow the?removal
of the stab in any direction other than?up or forward. Since the rear top
skin must fit very closely to the nose of the stab, forward movement is out of
the question. Since no one wants to drill out the rivets holding the rear top
skin or the stab brackets, the only direction left for the stab is straight up.
So if the rear top skin is cut to curve over the nose of the stab you're screwed;
it is on forever and can't be removed short of major surgery. What you
had to do is the only way I can see other than making a fairly sloppy cut with
a lot of gap over the stab.
?
Therefore unless someone comes forward with a miracle solution, I'm going ot make
a very close fitting cut?where the rear top skin fits under the nose of the
stab but from where it contacts the leading edge, the skin will be cut almost
straight upward. I will make a piece of .016 to connect from there back to the
rudder fairing. that piece will rivet to the rudder fairing?and screw to nutplates
at the rear top skin.
?
BTW I assume we have to make some sort of L brackets to secure the rudder fairing
to the top of the stab with nutplates but I haven't seen any instructions regarding
that. Have you? I'm sure they're written somewhere, but where?
?
Got enough rain yet?
?
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 hung up in a tree
Ed,
I made a rough template out of bristol board (about the same as manila folder material)
and fine tuned it by adding strips of masking tape to fit the curve.?
I transferred this to the rear top skin and made the cut.? It fit the stab leading
edge perfectly.? I removed the stab and later riveted the rear top skin
in place.? Still later, I tried to reinstall the stab -? and I couldn't get it
in the beautifully coped rear edge of the rear top skin.? I had already riveted
the stab attach brackets in place and that caused the conflict.? I had to trim
off that masterful rear edge of the top skin, and make an aluminum filler
that could be attached with screws and plate nuts after the stab is in place.
Some posters (and ZAC) have said that this is not a problem.? Just watch out!
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
I'm not sure if someone is inferring I'm selling corvair engines but I'm not
nor do I plan on it. I am however making my own parts and I haven't sold
anything to anyone that I have made from Williams parts.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Dont't forget Harley-Davison, Dewalt ,they also have the same mind set,It's
all there's!!! Joe N101 HD P.S the cooler is on looks Great with your
intake and louvers, going to do a re start in a couple of days and see what
the air flow under the plane is with the Prince-P Tip . Will send pict soon
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Ive been reading posts from people waiting for WWs parts long after
> fronting the cash and that can be a serious problem. If someone else
> engages production of another engine derived of the Corvair without
> selling WWs intellectual property, there should be no issues. Competition
> is good in engines, VW, Chevy, etc, but when intellectual property, not to
> be confused with box technology is being sold by someone other than the
> owner, legal action can easily be taken by or on behalf of WW.
>
> Just an opinion of course,
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> <http://www.macsmachine.com/>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
>> As I said, your responses are always amusing - still the center of your
>> universe I see.
>> William is always changing his business. This last round has more to do
>> with changes in the lives of his hanger crew and his new marriage than
>> the slimy stuff you are doing.
>> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HDS nose skin goof |
Peter-
Even if you do polish, you can still get by with some strategically
positioned painted trim!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Trainnut01@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS nose skin goof
Peter
Just two? I had three. If you don't plan on polishing the wing its not
much of a problem. I filled mine with Super-fill from ACS. After sanding
and priming you can't even find them. ZAC gave their blessing on this.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Dan,
I haven't flown my XL/Corvair yet but I've gone through the same decision making
process that you're going through now.
I think the Corvair is a great fit for the XL. 100 HP at 2800 RPM, and 220 pounds
is comparable to other recommended engines. There are now about 12 flying
XL/Corvairs and many more under construction.
There is really no better match to the XL for the money. I've only spent around
4500 and my engine has been completely rebuilt and modified for aircraft use.
The draw backs are that you'll have to build the engine yourself from a core of
a car engine that hasn't been built for a really long time.
As far as the controversy sourounding people who would "rip off" his design, I'd
like to make some observations from my own experience. In my opinion William
is a strange kind of business man. To me, it seams like he puts every one he
deals with in either the "freind" box of the "enemy" box, no in between.
When I first ordered his conversion manual I was getting emails and even a phone
call from William to ask if I had recieved it yet, and to invite me to ask any
questions I had. So when I got and read the manual I sent him some questions.
I asked him for dimensions that were missing from his parts drawings and
for a drawing of necessary part that was completely missing from the book. At
this point I got the cold shoulder. Even though all my correspondences were
polite and in no way beligerent, I never heard from him again. His conversion
manual was part philosophy, part sales brochure for his parts. The usefull
information you could some up in few paragraphs. As an experienced machinist
I really wasn't interested in buying simple parts that I could easily make myself.
So my advice is that if you don't want to design and make your own parts, stay
on Williams good side. Oh, most of the parts you'll need you'd get from Corvair
parts distributors like Clarke's.
Ok,, Hope I don't get thrown off the Corvair list for my heresy.
Dan Dempsey
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: corvair intake manifold material |
I made my intakes from aluminum intake tubing (It's been awhile but I think I
this from Summit racing). I bought mandrel bends of the needed dimensions and
welded them to form the manifold. I don't think I'd use this material again,
and may remake them. I found welding the aluminum pipe to be a challenge, and
would likely make a better set welding them from thin walled stainless tubing.
Dan Dempsey
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| Subject: | Zenith Builders Monday Night Chat |
The Zenith Builders chat has gotten off to a good start. We've had builders from
Texas to Canada, to Virginia and elsewhere stop by to get to know one another
a little, and to talk all things Zenith Aircraft. We've had 601, 640, 701
and 801 builders share their stories. We've talked about engine choices and building
methods, we've talked about tools, shops and let's not forget.. the wives!
So I encourage everyone who can to sign on to the chat sight on Monday nights starting
at 8:00 PM EST. We'd really appreciate more folks with building experience
to stop by and share, and welcome more beginners like me as well.
Here's the link:
http://chat.iahu.ca/
See you all there!
Dan Dempsey
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Dan,
I have been flying my HDS / Corvair taildragger
since November. It is a perfect match. See:
http://zenvair.com/
The top one is mine on the first flight. See
also here:
http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop.html
Mine is 700# and cruises at 120 mph. I have 600
x 6 (big) tires, and have not cleaned up the
aerodynamics at all. I think with considerable
effort, I might get it up to 130, but am too busy
flying it to work on it. Just like many on the list,
I did wait a good amount of time for my parts, but I
think William has fixed most of the issues. In my
opinion, there is no better cost to dependability
ratio engine for this aircraft. I have $5000 firewall
forward.
Jeff is not the only one with "the balls" enoungh
to call out William. I foolishly complained online
about the time it took to get my parts. He called me
personally to apologize for the delay, and did get me
the parts just when I needed them. The best advice is
to order the parts well ahead of time. Few of us
would follow William off a cliff, but most of us would
gladly buy him a beer for proving and simplifying what
is often one of the most daunting experiments in
experimental aviation - the engine installation.
I stopped monitoring the list weeks ago because
of Jeff (and life and work getting too busy). I poked
back in for 5 minutes tonight to find that he is still
at it. Maybe he has posted some usefull information
while I was gone, but I doubt it. Every community has
it's resident asshole. You have now met ours...
R/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS / TD / Corvair
96 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL and Corvair Engine |
Speaking of Corvairs, does anybody have a detailed spreadsheet of the itemized
parts and sources used to make the Corvair engine flight worthy? I'd like to
figure out a more current bottom line rebuild cost and don't have the time to
look stuff up online right now due to being deployed with the big green machine
to Afghanistan.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Jim K.
email: james (dot) kemter (at) us.army.mil
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