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1. 01:13 AM - nylon tube conduit (howado1@comcast.net)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: nylon tube conduit (Juan Vega)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings (Juan Vega)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: nylon tube conduit (Robin Bellach)
5. 07:40 AM - Re: Is it time to rebel (Terry Phillips)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: nylon tube conduit (dfmoeller)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: nylon tube conduit (burbby)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: nylon tube conduit (ruruny@aol.com)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: nylon tube conduit (Robin Bellach)
10. 10:00 AM - 601 dual time (601corvair)
11. 10:20 AM - Stainless Rivets Solved (601corvair)
12. 11:03 AM - Re: 601 dual time (Ronald Steele)
13. 11:46 AM - Re: 601 dual time (hansriet)
14. 12:03 PM - Re: Is it time to rebel (Bill Naumuk)
15. 02:04 PM - Re: nylon tube conduit (Michael Valentine)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: nylon tube conduit (R.P.)
17. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: nylon tube conduit (Robin Bellach)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: nylon tube conduit (Trainnut01@aol.com)
19. 04:42 PM - Canopy Latch (leinad)
20. 05:28 PM - Re: nylon tube conduit (Michael Valentine)
21. 05:38 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (Robin Bellach)
22. 05:53 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (wade jones)
23. 06:53 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (Robin Bellach)
24. 06:56 PM - Re: 601 dual time (Jeff)
25. 07:04 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (Jaybannist@cs.com)
26. 08:02 PM - Re: 601 dual time (Tim Juhl)
27. 08:06 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (wade jones)
28. 08:38 PM - Re: 601 dual time (Bryan Martin)
29. 11:21 PM - Reply (howado1@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | nylon tube conduit |
Several builders have written about using plastic tubes in the wings to carry wiring.
Most have referred to Van's as the source of the tubes. I have looked
at the Van's website and cannit fibd such tubes listed. Will someone who knows
how to do rhis please email me with the part numbers of how to find something
on Van's website?
Thanks.
Howard Carter
howado1@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Ladies,
the nylon tubes everyone is refering to is flexible black plastic tubing you can
get at the good old local Home Depot or home SHop. I would say 50% of the
601s being built in the south east use the light wieght black tubing, just tie
wrap it to the frame on the inside, good to go.
Hate to tell ya, no parts number, just eye ball it.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: howado1@comcast.net
>Sent: Jun 30, 2007 4:11 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: nylon tube conduit
>
>
>Several builders have written about using plastic tubes in the wings to carry
wiring. Most have referred to Van's as the source of the tubes. I have looked
at the Van's website and cannit fibd such tubes listed. Will someone who knows
how to do rhis please email me with the part numbers of how to find something
on Van's website?
>Thanks.
>
>Howard Carter
>howado1@comcast.net
>
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings |
if you are wanting to close the bottom gap of the horizontal stab, talk to the
Heintz clan first, in the aircraft design courses, Chris mentioned that acted
for counter balance i believe. Then again I know just enough to be dangerous
these days.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 29, 2007 9:13 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings
>
>A while back, somebody posted a pattern for an aluminum fairing (rudder /
>stab).
>I know I have a copy on my laptop or my home PC. There may be one in file
>share as well.
>
>I'll do some searching tomorrow and let you know.
>
>Cheers
>
>Carlos
>CH601-HD, plans
>
>On 29/06/07, Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all,
>>
>> I'm having no luck finding useful photos of the fairing that closes up
>> the gap under the horizontal stabilizer. If left to my own imagination, I'm
>> sure I can come up with something but I'd appreciate the opportunity to see
>> what some of you have done. If you have some useful photos and/or hints,
>> please..... hook a brother up.
>>
>> Dred
>> 601XL
>>
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Sorry to have no hints on navigating the Van's site, but if you can find a
search funtion, try this info I have from a recent invoice:
DUCT NT5/8-25 25' NYLON 5/8 TUBE $8.30
----- Original Message -----
From: <howado1@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: nylon tube conduit
>
> Several builders have written about using plastic tubes in the wings to
> carry wiring. Most have referred to Van's as the source of the tubes. I
> have looked at the Van's website and cannit fibd such tubes listed. Will
> someone who knows how to do rhis please email me with the part numbers of
> how to find something on Van's website?
> Thanks.
>
> Howard Carter
> howado1@comcast.net
>
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Is it time to rebel |
I hate paying shipping charges. I used to console myself with the thought
that I usually saved enough on sales tax to cover the shipping cost. Now I
Iive in Montana, and there is no sales tax, so I'm back to hating.
What I have done is to set up an Excel spreadsheet with columns for item,
Catalog no., quanity, price, and date ordered. I use a separate worksheet
for each vendor. When I think of something I will need eventually, I put it
into the appropriate worksheet. Hopefully, when I really have to place an
order, I'll remember to look at the spreadsheet and order everything. It's
worked fine so far, for a couple of items.
Terry
At 07:01 PM 6/29/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Wade,
>
>I agree with you. It pays to be careful with shipping expenses.
>
>With Aircraft Spruce there are many shipping options. I usually choose
>first class mail (USPS) since this is the least expensive and generally
>the fastest method for shipping small orders like the one in your picture.
>
>Have fun,
>
>Paul
>XL fuselage
>
>
>At 03:46 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>>Hello group ,just got this small order delivered today and the shipping
>>cost was $9.12 . At these shipping costs my 601XL is getting more
>>expensive each day .The shipping cost is determined by the price of the
>>order and not by weight I was told by AS .Maybe it is time to rebel ,
>>like it would do some good . Just venting my anger ,plese bear with me . Wade
>>
>>
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>2:15 PM
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Here is the link. BUT, beware, this stuff is sewer pipe sized and they only offer
the one size. If you do a search of this list for "conduit", you'll find
several better alternatives.
Doug
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1183217856-2-420&browse=electrical
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
I found the Nylon tubing at the local hardware store. It came in 3 ft pieces and
in various lengths.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Go to the Link below, scroll down a bit and click on the electrical link. Then
scroll down to Nylon Wiring Conduit,
and there it is. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi
This should take you directly to the product, maybe, there is no picture for it.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1183218123-284-141&browse=electrical&product=wiring-conduit
Here is what it looks like, I got mine from the Harbor Freight in Oklahoma City
in 3 different sizes. It came in 15 ft packs and was pretty cheap.
http://www.701builder.com/electrical10.htm/
Brian
701Builder.com
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Here's a direct link:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1183217856-2-420&browse=electrical&product=wiring-conduit
Price is now up to $9.50.
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From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: nylon tube conduit
>
> Here is the link. BUT, beware, this stuff is sewer pipe sized and they
> only offer the one size. If you do a search of this list for "conduit",
> you'll find several better alternatives.
>
> Doug
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1183217856-2-420&browse=electrical
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121363#121363
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I have run into a challenge that I assume happens to other first time builders
who are low time pilots. Ive not flown much since 2002 and am very rusty. Most
of my hobby resources have been put toward building. I have been trying to
find away to get training in some HDS like machine. People have recommended
a Grumman Yankee and there are not very many (none for rent) near me. I am concerned
that when I get ready to fly the liability insurance companies may require
some minimal time in 601. Then I called Zenith to try and get a list of
local flying aircraft and have had some success at contacting people. But the
issue is what to ask for. I doubt any sane person is going to let me fly their
airplane solo. Then, after ready the July issue of Sport Aviation page 122
under building basics, I had an idea. The article is questions and answers,
most surrounding sport pilot and who can log time, There is a discussion
of 14 CFR 61.5(e)(1), which state that if you are
in an aircraft for which you are rated and the sole manipulator of the control,
you can log time (i.e., PIC time), even if you are not PIC for the flight.
If I have this correct, then any homebuilder who has an aircraft and who can act
as PIC ( i.e., current with landings, BFR, Medical if necessary) , can act
as PIC ( and unofficial flight instructor) for any other pilot who is rated for
that aircraft even if the other pilot has no Medical or BFR, so longs as the
student Pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls. Of courses the guy
acting as PIC has all the liability risks. I assume so long as this is not being
done for carriage the student would be allow to cover half the expenses of
the flight. It would be an easy say that the student, (perhaps riding pilot
would be a better term) provided the fuel and oil and the owner provided engine
depreciation. Thus if I am reading the regs correctly, home-builders could
help each other simply by sharing rides. Both
reduce their cost, make new friends and the less experienced guy is provided a
way of getting, documenting experience in a very similar aircraft, and the owner-builder
of the aircraft being flown is always in the plane to lend a hand.
I know I have a very selfish motives for this now as I would be the beggar pilot,
but if we could do more of this kind of thing I believe we could reduce first
flight accidents even more.. Plus I am betting flying with fellow builders
is a blast.
phill
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| Subject: | Stainless Rivets Solved |
Stainless Rivets
There was some discussion about stainless rivets on the new XL plans. We read
that and were concerned enough about our HDS project that we contacted ZAC.
We have not put the final horn on the Stab yet so we could go either way. They
are only 15 cents and we are big spenders. Anyway, my partner Faxed ZAC about
this and got a phone call back. Ill relate this in general terms and not acknowledge
anyone for plausibly deniability. Here is basically what happened.
During the inspection for E-LSA certification, one inspector suggested that
stainless would be better in this location. ZAC, being the wise compliant folks
they are, and wanting to deal smoothly with the Feds said Yes Sir. When we
asked if they could provide and engineering data for the rivet spec change there
was a humorous exchange. They also said the AC they fly at the factory all
have the original aluminum rivets. They also said they keep an eye on this
list, so if I have this wrong I expect to get
flamed and as Grandma used to say: Silence is consent
FYI I bought some AS5 rivets plausibly deniability.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
I read the same article and was wondering the same thing. I'm not so
sure about sharing the cost. In strict terms cost sharing is only
allowed if the pilot and passenger have the same destination and the
pilot would be going to this location regardless of whether the
passenger was along or not. Sorry, I don't remember where I read
this. This seems to indicate that sharing the cost of going up and
flying around for a while may not be allowable. But then I never
would have guessed the PIC regs could be interpreted the as indicated
in the article.
Ron
On Jun 30, 2007, at 12:58 PM, 601corvair wrote:
> I have run into a challenge that I assume happens to other first
> time builders who are low time pilots. I=92ve not flown much since
> 2002 and am very rusty. Most of my hobby resources have been put
> toward building. I have been trying to find away to get training
> in some HDS like machine. People have recommended a Grumman Yankee
> and there are not very many (none for rent) near me. I am
> concerned that when I get ready to fly the liability insurance
> companies may require some minimal time in 601. Then I called
> Zenith to try and get a list of local flying aircraft and have had
> some success at contacting people. But the issue is what to ask
> for. I doubt any sane person is going to let me fly their airplane
> solo. Then, after ready the July issue of Sport Aviation page 122
> under building basics, I had an idea. The article is questions
> and answers, most surrounding sport pilot and who can log time,
> There is a discussion of 14 CFR 61.5(e)(1), which state that if
> you are in an aircraft for which you are rated and the sole
> manipulator of the control, you can log time (i.e., PIC time), even
> if you are not PIC for the flight. If I have this correct, then
> any homebuilder who has an aircraft and who can act as PIC ( i.e.,
> current with landings, BFR, Medical if necessary) , can act as PIC
> ( and unofficial flight instructor) for any other pilot who is
> rated for that aircraft even if the other pilot has no Medical or
> BFR, so longs as the =93student Pilot=94 is the sole manipulator of
> the controls. Of courses the guy acting as PIC has all the
> liability risks. I assume so long as this is not being done for
> carriage the =93student=94 would be allow to cover half the expenses
of
> the flight. It would be an easy say that the student, (perhaps
> riding pilot would be a better term) provided the fuel and oil and
> the owner provided engine depreciation. Thus if I am reading the
> regs correctly, home-builders could help each other simply by
> sharing rides. Both reduce their cost, make new friends and the
> less experienced guy is provided a way of getting, documenting
> experience in a very similar aircraft, and the owner-builder of the
> aircraft being flown is always in the plane to lend a hand.
>
> I know I have a very selfish motives for this now as I would be the
> =93beggar=94 pilot, but if we could do more of this kind of thing I
> believe we could reduce first flight accidents even more.. Plus I
> am betting flying with fellow builders is a blast.
>
> phill
>
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at
> Yahoo! Games.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
I don't have a lot of time in the Zodiac XL, but I believe that the Zodiac flies
very similarily to a Diamond Katana, although the pitch change when deploying
flaps is more pronounced in the Zodiac. So if you can't get time in the Zodiac,
try to build 10 hours in the Katana (if possible with the Rotax engine) and
that would satisfie the insurance requirements.
As for the PIC time, you're right, you can write tht time as PIC. But writing time
and regaining currency are two different things.
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| Subject: | Re: Is it time to rebel |
All-
You know, I should be pissed at the fact that I can't find 6F13-6,
but since I built a 4' Dave's brake for less than $50, who cares? 15
minutes and some scrap and I'm in business.
You're looking at the poster child for scratch-building vs shipping
charges. It was costing me $400 a pop to order outboard nose skins from
Zenith w/shipping, but for the $50 it cost me to build Larry Mac's bend
jig I can crank them out all day long for less than $50 apiece.
Just got back from the junkyard. 12' of angle iron and 2- 4' pieces
of 3/4" black pipe for $.90. Ninety cents. With my $2.99/set Harbor
Freight bar clamp ends, I have less than $10 in a pair of 4' bar clamps.
There's a lister that signs off "He who dies with the most tools
wins." I'm to the point where Harbor Freight can send an e-mail with
their latest bargains and I can delete them. Love it.
I might be able to build my next project for less than 10K. After a
while, scrounging gets to be fun. I didn't start out tool OCD, but
acquired the disease after 4 years of building.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Phillips
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is it time to rebel
I hate paying shipping charges. I used to console myself with the
thought that I usually saved enough on sales tax to cover the shipping
cost. Now I Iive in Montana, and there is no sales tax, so I'm back to
hating.
What I have done is to set up an Excel spreadsheet with columns for
item, Catalog no., quanity, price, and date ordered. I use a separate
worksheet for each vendor. When I think of something I will need
eventually, I put it into the appropriate worksheet. Hopefully, when I
really have to place an order, I'll remember to look at the spreadsheet
and order everything. It's worked fine so far, for a couple of items.
Terry
At 07:01 PM 6/29/2007 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Wade,
I agree with you. It pays to be careful with shipping expenses.
With Aircraft Spruce there are many shipping options. I usually
choose first class mail (USPS) since this is the least expensive and
generally the fastest method for shipping small orders like the one in
your picture.
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 03:46 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
Hello group ,just got this small order delivered today and the
shipping cost was $9.12 . At these shipping costs my 601XL is getting
more expensive each day .The shipping cost is determined by the price
of the order and not by weight I was told by AS .Maybe it is time to
rebel , like it would do some good . Just venting my anger ,plese bear
with me . Wade
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Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
Just starting a 601 kit
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Robin has it right - DUCT NT5/8-25. Just type "nylon" into the search box
and it will come up first. I did find similar stuff at hardware stores, but
it is all SPLIT! I could not find it anywhere uncut. I would suggest just
getting it from Vans.
Michael in NH
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On 6/30/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry to have no hints on navigating the Van's site, but if you can find a
> search funtion, try this info I have from a recent invoice:
>
> DUCT NT5/8-25 25' NYLON 5/8 TUBE $8.30
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <howado1@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:11 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: nylon tube conduit
>
>
> >
> > Several builders have written about using plastic tubes in the wings to
> > carry wiring. Most have referred to Van's as the source of the
> tubes. I
> > have looked at the Van's website and cannit fibd such tubes
> listed. Will
> > someone who knows how to do rhis please email me with the part numbers
> of
> > how to find something on Van's website?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Howard Carter
> > howado1@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
----- Original Message -----
From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: nylon tube conduit
>
> Here is the link. BUT, beware, this stuff is sewer pipe sized and they
> only offer the one size. If you do a search of this list for "conduit",
> you'll find several better alternatives.
>
> Doug
Try doing a search for "convoluted tubing".
This is the correct(?) name for the ribbed tubing used for low-voltage
electrical conduit.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
I doubt that you'd easily find anything as suitable, convenient, and light,
as the Van's tubing at 25 feet for $9.30. 25 feet seems approriate for two
wings, and out of curiosity I just weighed my 25' roll at just 10.7 oz. ID
is 5/8", but with the convoluted ribs the OD is about 3/4". And for routing
purposes it's quite flexible, probably much more so than any non-convoluted
type, such that it will accomodate a bend of only about one-inch radius..
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.P." <zodie@adelphia.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: nylon tube conduit
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:40 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: nylon tube conduit
>
>
>>
>> Here is the link. BUT, beware, this stuff is sewer pipe sized and they
>> only offer the one size. If you do a search of this list for "conduit",
>> you'll find several better alternatives.
>>
>> Doug
>
> Try doing a search for "convoluted tubing".
> This is the correct(?) name for the ribbed tubing used for low-voltage
> electrical conduit.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Hey Michael,
I'm just curious. What's wrong with split?
Carroll
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Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2) as being
14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the drawing shows the stud
sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an edge of the bracket. Perhaps
one of you kit builders could measure yours and tell me how wide it is. I
just spent a laborious hour cutting the steal parts using a hack saw, now I think
there might be a mistake on the drawing. These are drawings dated 1/03.
Thanks.
Dan
601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
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| Subject: | Re: nylon tube conduit |
Good question - nothing probably. I just didn't want wires coming out. It
would also be harder to thread wires and I'm not sure if it would stay as
firmly in the grommets I fed it through, but those are just guesses. As
someone else posted, 25' from Vans for $9 isn't bad.
Michael in NH
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> Hey Michael,
> I'm just curious. What's wrong with split?
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
My factory 6-C-2-2 brackets are 14mm wide, the stud is 12mm long and it
extends 5mm beyond the edge of the bracket. Seems to match the dimensions on
the 01/03 drawing, but is not drawn properly to xcale. Since I haven't done
the canopy yet, I can offer no help as to how well this geometry fits.
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
> Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
> Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2) as
> being 14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the drawing
> shows the stud sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an edge of the
> bracket. Perhaps one of you kit builders could measure yours and tell me
> how wide it is. I just spent a laborious hour cutting the steal parts
> using a hack saw, now I think there might be a mistake on the drawing.
> These are drawings dated 1/03.
> Thanks.
> Dan
> 601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121442#121442
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
On this same subject ,what is the striker stud thickness ,part #6-C-2-1. My
plans make no mention of the diameter of this stud unless I am overlooking
it. Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
> My factory 6-C-2-2 brackets are 14mm wide, the stud is 12mm long and it
> extends 5mm beyond the edge of the bracket. Seems to match the dimensions
> on the 01/03 drawing, but is not drawn properly to xcale. Since I haven't
> done the canopy yet, I can offer no help as to how well this geometry
> fits.
>
> Robin in AR
> 601XL Zen-Vair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:42 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
>> Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2) as
>> being 14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the drawing
>> shows the stud sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an edge of
>> the bracket. Perhaps one of you kit builders could measure yours and
>> tell me how wide it is. I just spent a laborious hour cutting the steal
>> parts using a hack saw, now I think there might be a mistake on the
>> drawing. These are drawings dated 1/03.
>> Thanks.
>> Dan
>> 601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
>>
>> --------
>> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121442#121442
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
My factory ones are about .54".
----- Original Message -----
From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
> On this same subject ,what is the striker stud thickness ,part #6-C-2-1.
> My plans make no mention of the diameter of this stud unless I am
> overlooking it. Thanks
>
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
>
>>
>> My factory 6-C-2-2 brackets are 14mm wide, the stud is 12mm long and it
>> extends 5mm beyond the edge of the bracket. Seems to match the dimensions
>> on the 01/03 drawing, but is not drawn properly to xcale. Since I
>> haven't done the canopy yet, I can offer no help as to how well this
>> geometry fits.
>>
>> Robin in AR
>> 601XL Zen-Vair
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:42 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
>>> Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2)
>>> as being 14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the drawing
>>> shows the stud sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an edge of
>>> the bracket. Perhaps one of you kit builders could measure yours and
>>> tell me how wide it is. I just spent a laborious hour cutting the steal
>>> parts using a hack saw, now I think there might be a mistake on the
>>> drawing. These are drawings dated 1/03.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Dan
>>> 601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121442#121442
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Phil,
I checked with my 3000 hour CFII/ATP instructor wife and she
agrees that you have the regs right. So now it is an insurance, experience
in cockpit resource management, and risk taking question for the aircraft
owner. Also think about putting either pilot in the right seat. Not good
if the owner has to save a landing and not good for the pilot getting
experience. I am thinking about making the opposite offer: to be PIC for a
pilot that can't right now, but who could fully manipulate the controls. I
have 8-9 dual hours in type (N601VA), but I'm concerned if I am needed to
land the thing from the "wrong" side. Even though I am a 500 hour
instrument rated pilot, but I haven't flown much in the last two years so
I'm rusty too. These are tough calls even when the regs allow.
I do have an idea to check out. I'll let you know if it pans
out.
Jeff Davidson
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 601corvair
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 dual time
I have run into a challenge that I assume happens to other first time
builders who are low time pilots. I've not flown much since 2002 and am
very rusty. Most of my hobby resources have been put toward building. I
have been trying to find away to get training in some HDS like machine.
People have recommended a Grumman Yankee and there are not very many (none
for rent) near me. I am concerned that when I get ready to fly the
liability insurance companies may require some minimal time in 601. Then
I called Zenith to try and get a list of local flying aircraft and have had
some success at contacting people. But the issue is what to ask for. I
doubt any sane person is going to let me fly their airplane solo. Then,
after ready the July issue of Sport Aviation page 122 under building basics,
I had an idea. The article is questions and answers, most surrounding sport
pilot and who can log time, There is a discussion of 14 CFR 61.5(e)(1),
which state that if you are in an aircraft for which you are rated and the
sole manipulator of the control, you can log time (i.e., PIC time), even if
you are not PIC for the flight. If I have this correct, then any
homebuilder who has an aircraft and who can act as PIC ( i.e., current with
landings, BFR, Medical if necessary) , can act as PIC ( and unofficial
flight instructor) for any other pilot who is rated for that aircraft even
if the other pilot has no Medical or BFR, so longs as the "student Pilot"
is the sole manipulator of the controls. Of courses the guy acting as PIC
has all the liability risks. I assume so long as this is not being done for
carriage the "student" would be allow to cover half the expenses of the
flight. It would be an easy say that the student, (perhaps riding pilot
would be a better term) provided the fuel and oil and the owner provided
engine depreciation. Thus if I am reading the regs correctly, home-builders
could help each other simply by sharing rides. Both reduce their cost,
make new friends and the less experienced guy is provided a way of getting,
documenting experience in a very similar aircraft, and the owner-builder of
the aircraft being flown is always in the plane to lend a hand.
I know I have a very selfish motives for this now as I would be the "beggar"
pilot, but if we could do more of this kind of thing I believe we could
reduce first flight accidents even more.. Plus I am betting flying with
fellow builders is a blast.
phill
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
Wade,
The diameter of the stud on my latch measures 0.55" and the disc on the end has
a 0.75" diameter.
Jay in Dallas
"wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
>
>On this same subject ,what is the striker stud thickness ,part #6-C-2-1. My
>plans make no mention of the diameter of this stud unless I am overlooking
>it. Thanks
>
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
>
>>
>> My factory 6-C-2-2 brackets are 14mm wide, the stud is 12mm long and it
>> extends 5mm beyond the edge of the bracket. Seems to match the dimensions
>> on the 01/03 drawing, but is not drawn properly to xcale. Since I haven't
>> done the canopy yet, I can offer no help as to how well this geometry
>> fits.
>>
>> Robin in AR
>> 601XL Zen-Vair
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:42 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
>>> Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2) as
>>> being 14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the drawing
>>> shows the stud sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an edge of
>>> the bracket. Perhaps one of you kit builders could measure yours and
>>> tell me how wide it is. I just spent a laborious hour cutting the steal
>>> parts using a hack saw, now I think there might be a mistake on the
>>> drawing. These are drawings dated 1/03.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Dan
>>> 601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121442#121442
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
You can log pic when you are sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft in
a category and class for which you are rated (ie. Single engine land)
This could even be in something like a high performance, complex, taildragger for
which you do not hold the required endorsements. You don't have to have a
medical or be current in any way. Obviously the other guy gets to log PIC too
and is in fact the actual PIC for the flight. You can also take your BFR in
an aircraft like a 172 or 150.... it need not be a light sport aircraft even
if you only plan to exercise sport pilot privileges when you fly your XL.
All that aside, I would strongly recommend that you do some dual with an actual
CFI - we had a guy here who wanted to save a few bucks (he was a student) and
fly the Beech Sierra he had bought so he conned a Private Pilot friend to sit
in the right seat. They lost it on a landing and destroyed a wing. The private
pilot had to do a lot of explaining to the FAA and ended up having to submit
to some retraining with a CFI (me.)
There are some places that do instruction in the XL - if it were me I'd take some
vacation days and go for some dual. It would certainly look better to the
insurance company and might prepare you to share some flight time with a local
XL owner. Expenses you can share can only be "out of pocket" and cannot include
depreciation, allowances for maintenance or the like (61.315b) The reg no
longer says anything about it having to be for a trip the other pilot was going
on anyway. Other than that, getting flying time in any aircraft would help.
I suspect a Piper Tomahawk or Beech Skipper would be good choices....
You might want to seriously consider having someone experienced in flight testing
homebuilts fly the first couple of hours in your XL. I know of three instances
that took place at nearby airports where a builder with very little recent
flight experience cracked up their project in the first couple of hours of test
flying.....one fatally.
Good luck!
Tim
--------
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
Thanks Jay & Robin ,I will turn this down on my lathe .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
> My factory ones are about .54".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>
>
>>
>> On this same subject ,what is the striker stud thickness ,part #6-C-2-1.
>> My plans make no mention of the diameter of this stud unless I am
>> overlooking it. Thanks
>>
>> Wade Jones South Texas
>> 601XL plans building
>> Cont. 0200
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>>
>>
>>>
>>> My factory 6-C-2-2 brackets are 14mm wide, the stud is 12mm long and it
>>> extends 5mm beyond the edge of the bracket. Seems to match the
>>> dimensions on the 01/03 drawing, but is not drawn properly to xcale.
>>> Since I haven't done the canopy yet, I can offer no help as to how well
>>> this geometry fits.
>>>
>>> Robin in AR
>>> 601XL Zen-Vair
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:42 PM
>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know where to purchase the canopy latch parts?
>>>> Also my drawings show the bottom bracket for the gas spring (6-C-2.2)
>>>> as being 14mm wide. This seams to narrow, and especially as the
>>>> drawing shows the stud sticking out 12mm and coming near flush with an
>>>> edge of the bracket. Perhaps one of you kit builders could measure
>>>> yours and tell me how wide it is. I just spent a laborious hour
>>>> cutting the steal parts using a hack saw, now I think there might be a
>>>> mistake on the drawing. These are drawings dated 1/03.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Dan
>>>> 601XL/Corvair.. 1/2 way maybe
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121442#121442
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
Before My first flight in my Zodiac, I flew several hours in Cessna 152s
and 172s. The approach and landing speeds in the Cessnas are very
similar to the Zodiac and the performance is not drastically different.
If you can find someone nearby to get some time in a Zodiac, so much the
better. The important thing is to get some recent flight experience and
get comfortable flying again.
601corvair wrote:
> I have run into a challenge that I assume happens to other first time
> builders who are low time pilots. Ive not flown much since 2002 and am
> very rusty. ...
--
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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Many thanks to all who responded to my info request.
Howard Carter
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