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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank (TxDave)
2. 01:07 AM - Re: Ham Radio (jetboy)
3. 01:10 AM - a.k.a "Crash" (Jari Kaija (LapTop2))
4. 02:03 AM - Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight (Jari Kaija (LapTop2))
5. 03:09 AM - Re: Shipping prices (secatur)
6. 03:09 AM - Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight (secatur)
7. 04:20 AM - Re: Ham Radio (Jim Weston)
8. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight (John Bolding)
9. 04:53 AM - Re: Ham Radio (Rob St Denis)
10. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank (David Downey)
11. 05:57 AM - Re: Primer adhesion (Clyde Barcus)
12. 06:04 AM - Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank (William Dominguez)
13. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Ham Radio (Gerald A. Applefeld)
14. 06:23 AM - 701 engine thrust line (Jerry Hey)
15. 06:32 AM - Re: Canopy Latch (wade jones)
16. 06:53 AM - gps off topic a little (john butterfield)
17. 07:22 AM - Re: Ham Radio (Stephen R. Look)
18. 07:25 AM - Re: Ham Radio (David Brown)
19. 07:29 AM - Re: Primer adhesion (Arthur Olechowski)
20. 07:55 AM - Zip tie nipper (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 07:56 AM - Re: gps off topic a little (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 07:59 AM - Re: gps off topic a little (LarryMcFarland)
23. 08:02 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/03/07 (Bob @ Eagle's Nest)
24. 08:09 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (ljkyle)
25. 08:09 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (Michael Valentine)
26. 08:11 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (Dave Johnson)
27. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Ham Radio (n787xl@aol.com)
28. 08:17 AM - Re: Primer adhesion (Clyde Barcus)
29. 08:45 AM - Re: GPS off topic (Zed Smith)
30. 08:56 AM - Re: Ham Radio (Chuck Deiterich)
31. 09:04 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (david hein)
32. 09:07 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (david hein)
33. 09:27 AM - Prop length (Jerry Hey)
34. 09:52 AM - Georgia Cracker Fly-In (Andrew B)
35. 10:07 AM - Fw: Zip tie nipper (Paul Mulwitz)
36. 10:40 AM - Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank (William Dominguez)
37. 10:56 AM - Re: Prop length (NYTerminat@aol.com)
38. 10:59 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (NYTerminat@aol.com)
39. 11:08 AM - Re: Ham Radio (Tim Juhl)
40. 11:34 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (wade jones)
41. 11:44 AM - Re: Zip tie nipper (NYTerminat@aol.com)
42. 11:59 AM - Re: Canopy latching system ()
43. 12:18 PM - Inspection/Repair - was Zip tie nipper (T. Graziano)
44. 12:30 PM - Re: gps off topic a little (Robert Hansen)
45. 12:44 PM - Arlington (starduster)
46. 12:48 PM - Re: Zip tie nipper (Jaybannist@cs.com)
47. 12:59 PM - Re: 701 engine thrust line (David Downey)
48. 01:09 PM - Re: Arlington (John Marzulli)
49. 01:11 PM - Re: 701 engine thrust line (Jerry Hey)
50. 01:14 PM - Re: Zip tie nipper (Paul Mulwitz)
51. 01:18 PM - Redrive (Jerry Hey)
52. 01:30 PM - Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank (William Dominguez)
53. 01:39 PM - Ham Radio (Frank Derfler)
54. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Ham Radio (Randy & Anna Carroll)
55. 02:20 PM - A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Robert Schoenberger)
56. 02:33 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (wade jones)
57. 02:49 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
58. 03:24 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Robert Hansen)
59. 03:24 PM - Re: Ham Radio (Dennis Wieck)
60. 03:26 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
61. 03:39 PM - Re: Zip tie nipper (C Smith)
62. 04:00 PM - dual training XL vs HDS (601corvair)
63. 04:13 PM - fuel filler fix (Carlos Sa)
64. 04:42 PM - Re: Zip tie nipper (NYTerminat@aol.com)
65. 05:52 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/03/07 (Noel Loveys)
66. 05:54 PM - Re: Tools (Ron Ellis)
67. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Tools (Ben Ramler)
68. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Tools (Robert Schoenberger)
69. 06:38 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Robert Schoenberger)
70. 06:40 PM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Robert Schoenberger)
71. 07:09 PM - Re: a.k.a "Crash" (Jon Croke)
72. 10:18 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/03/07 (Joe)
73. 11:02 PM - Re: Re: Tools (Ben Ramler)
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank |
Hey William,
I used the rivet and sealant method on my tanks. Its really not as bad as some
people make it out to be. Its messy, for sure, and the stuff sticks to everything.
Carlos' pictures and advice were a big help. Van's now sells Flamemaster
sealant which is what I used. Be sure to scuff up the aluminum and clean well
with MEK before applying the sealant. I thoroughly tested my tanks for leaks with
both air pressure and water. Not so much as a hint of a leak.
Dave Clay
www.daves601xl.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122118#122118
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ZL1TBG and operating HF / VHF aero mobile Zenair 701 Warkworth NZ
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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Has anyone heard anything about Jon Croke's third plane project.
What is the current situation?
Last time, when I talk with him, he send his crashed oil reservoir for
my plane.
(it's fixed now http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_engine/DSC04339.JPG).
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight |
> STOL 701
> Subaru EA-81
What modifications you did to get it's (subaru) weight
small enough?
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| Subject: | Re: Shipping prices |
Boy ! If you guys think shipping costs are bad, you should try living somewhere
else in the world !
My average Wicks shipment to Australia is $100 for freight !
See a bargain on eBay ? Great, gasket set for $6.00, freight to Australia ?
$33 ! Sort of kills the bargains.
And we can't even decide to go and pick any of these things up!
LOL
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight |
Great ! What prop and redrive?
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WB6COD, WD4BRV, KA0CWV, KI4BT, now K4COD, licensed continuously since
1974
----- Original Message -----
From: burbby
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ham Radio
WB5PBI
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight |
Plans built Tony Duncan redrive and Ivo prop. John
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From: secatur
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:08 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH 701/Subaru first flight
Great ! What prop and redrive?
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I've been va3qrp since 95
On 7/3/07, George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com> wrote:
>
> From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on the
> list. I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio Call
> Signs.
>
> I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
>
> I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my Amateur
> Radio background.
>
> 73...George
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank |
In the corporate aircraft world the optimal sequence would be alkaline tank clean,
phosphoric acid anodize, de-ionized water rinse, corrosion resistant epoxy
primer, assemble fay sealed with polysulfide sealer. In our world, the best probably
would be a thorough solvent degrease followed by a thorough scour with
MMM 7447 - General Purpose Scotch-Brite Maroon or MMM 7448 - Ultra Fine Scotch-Brite
Gray, soap and water wash/rinse, thorough MEK/acetone (in that order of
preference from a health standpoint) wet/dry wipe, immediate epoxy prime, assemble
fay sealed with polysulfide sealer.
We frequently use whichever of the two pads with acetone or water to keep the surface
lubricated and extend the life of the pad. Do not attempt to keep using
a pad that is "dull".
I noticed a product I have not tried that looks interesting MMM 6013 - Scuff-It
Paint Prep Gel. It looks like it may be a mild abrasive in a gel that enhances
the de-ox functions of Scotch-Brite????
Keep in mind that mechanically assembled tanks are not going to have ANY twist
or warp that is not assembled into them and that the rivet pitch might need to
be much closer to control bulge since the sealer is very viscous. While I was
in Experimental at Cessna we built a tank section with no fasteners - it was
a phenomenal success - but miserable to tool and build.
Hey William,
I used the rivet and sealant method on my tanks. Its really not as bad as some
people make it out to be. Its messy, for sure, and the stuff sticks to everything.
Carlos' pictures and advice were a big help. Van's now sells Flamemaster
sealant which is what I used. Be sure to scuff up the aluminum and clean well
with MEK before applying the sealant. I thoroughly tested my tanks for leaks with
both air pressure and water. Not so much as a hint of a leak.
Dave Clay
www.daves601xl.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122118#122118
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re: Primer adhesion |
I had the same problem with adhesion, I went to the House of Color and
explained my problem and they recommended DuPont Etch Primer A-4115S. It
works much better than anything I have used in the past.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I've placed a 1000W heat lamp (not facing any parts) with a
circulating fan in the shop and have seen a substantial difference in
the feel of the primer, at 93 deg and 53% humidity it is definitely
curing now.
do not archive
Art
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank You AJ,
My shop is nothing more then a metal building w/ a dirt floor. I
posted my reply on the primer before waiting a couple days to see how it
set up. I will be back at the "airplane factory" tonight, so I will see
how it is doing.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: Arthur Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:40:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I like your nifty plans storage desk on your site, not to mention
your actual dedicated shop.
do not archive
AJ
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just zinc chromated the skelaton from my 701 rudder and I live
in the very dry Southern New Mexico. We do not measure humidity because
we have none (joke). I too can scratch off the primer with my finger
nail. Prior to spraying I cleaned up the metal with laquer thinner.
see at: http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
Rob Hansen
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:08:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
72% humidity might have something to do with it. Try a
dehumidifier in your shop.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Hi All,
Yesterday I finished priming my 701 rudder skeleton with PTI
Zinc Oxide and I've experienced poor adhesion results. I need some
advise on where to go from here.
The only spray painting I've ever been exposed to is the type
that comes out of a spray can. I used an HVLP sprayer with the reducer
proportions as advised by PTI. The conditions in the shop was 70 deg
with 72% humidity. The primer is suppose dry tack free in 5 minutes and
it did but the fully cured in 30 minutes hasn't quite happened yet.
I've allowed it to cure overnight and the surface can be chipped down to
the chem-film with a fingernail. Any ideas what may have caused this
and what I should do now?
AJ
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank |
I'm going for the dual 15 gallon tanks.
William Dominguez
Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
William what size tanks are you going to build?
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See what's free at AOL.com.
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KA3PST
Jerry in Hanover, PA 601HD
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| Subject: | 701 engine thrust line |
I've spent an hour pouring over the plans and cannot locate the
design thrust line. Can anyone help? This is for preliminary
design for a Mazda Single Rotor installation. I feel like the info
must be there but I am not seeing it. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Latch |
Thank you Malcolm for this info it will be a great help ,by the way I
found some for $7.35 each .I have not ordered yet . DO Not Archive
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Hunt
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
Canopy latches used by Zenith are Eberhard 1-400 L & R. Modification
is required as per Zenith Drawings.
Look at www.eberhard.com and search rotary latches.
Best regards
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Thompson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Latch
The following link does not give you exactly what you are looking
for but it does give a source for some latch handles & stuff.
http://www.southco.com/product/default.aspx?cid=7315
Dave Thompson
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| Subject: | gps off topic a little |
hi list
i saw an ad for a portable gps system for an
automobile. it has all the bells and whistles for
ground use, and i wondered if any of you people have
used one in the air. if so, was it of any value. i
will have a gps for my machine but was just wondering
if the portable auto type gave enough info to make it
worth taking along on a flight. it will at least give
the addresses of places to stay and eat on a X-country
john butterfield
XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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KA9SZW
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At 06:43 PM 7/3/2007, you wrote:
> From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on
> the list. I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur
> Radio Call Signs.
>
Steve Look
Monticello, IL
601XL, Corvair
"Dogs have owners, Cats have staff"
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Hi George,
KC5YU
QTH Ozark, ARK.
Future N601EX
David
>From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on the
list. I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio Call
Signs.
I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my Amateur
Radio background.
73...George
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Primer adhesion |
Thanks Clyde, I appreciate your input. I think I've looked into DuPont primer
once before but was disgusted with the $200/gal price tag that came with it.
How much does this stuff cost now and days?
Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote: I had the same problem with adhesion,
I went to the House of Color and explained my problem and they recommended
DuPont Etch Primer A-4115S. It works much better than anything I have used
in the past.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I've placed a 1000W heat lamp (not facing any parts) with a circulating fan in
the shop and have seen a substantial difference in the feel of the primer, at
93 deg and 53% humidity it is definitely curing now.
do not archive
Art
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Thank You AJ,
My shop is nothing more then a metal building w/ a dirt floor. I posted my reply
on the primer before waiting a couple days to see how it set up. I will be
back at the "airplane factory" tonight, so I will see how it is doing.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: Arthur Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:40:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I like your nifty plans storage desk on your site, not to mention your actual
dedicated shop.
do not archive
AJ
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just zinc chromated the skelaton from my 701 rudder and I live in the very
dry Southern New Mexico. We do not measure humidity because we have none (joke).
I too can scratch off the primer with my finger nail. Prior to spraying
I cleaned up the metal with laquer thinner.
see at: http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
Rob Hansen
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:08:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
72% humidity might have something to do with it. Try a dehumidifier in your
shop.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Hi All,
Yesterday I finished priming my 701 rudder skeleton with PTI Zinc Oxide and I've
experienced poor adhesion results. I need some advise on where to go from
here.
The only spray painting I've ever been exposed to is the type that comes out
of a spray can. I used an HVLP sprayer with the reducer proportions as advised
by PTI. The conditions in the shop was 70 deg with 72% humidity. The primer
is suppose dry tack free in 5 minutes and it did but the fully cured in 30 minutes
hasn't quite happened yet. I've allowed it to cure overnight and the surface
can be chipped down to the chem-film with a fingernail. Any ideas what
may have caused this and what I should do now?
AJ
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I am mostly working in that awkward, constricted, congested hell-hole between the
panel and the firewall. My forearms always have multiple puncture wounds healing
at any one time. They are not serious injuries, but I still have to stop
work to get a Band-Aid to minimize the blood spots on the airplane. The main
culprit is the square cut off ends of wiring zip ties. I am using the "low-profile"
ties, but the ends are still exposed and SHARP. I know that there are
ties available that are installed with a tool that cuts the ends very short,
and ones that tuck the ends in the clasp, but these seem over-complicated to me.
A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the sharp corners.
Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on the ties? If
not, will someone please invent one !!
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: gps off topic a little |
Hi John,
I just bought my third GPS. It is a Nuvi 200 from Garmin. I love it
since it actually works well in my car.
My second one was a Lowrance GPSmap 350 (or something close to
that). It was a horrible machine. I returned 3 or 4 of them because
they kept dying. If you put one on your dashboard it would overheat
and the power supply would die. If you put it lower down inside the
dashboard console then it would run but couldn't find enough
satellites to navigate. There was no external antenna.
My first was a Lowrance Airmap 500. This works great in an airplane
and reasonably well in a car. It is limited by the small black and
white display and a bit difficult to set up for car use.
The real differences I have found from one GPS to another are how
well the device actually acquires and keeps satellites and how good
the database is.
I think you will get a lot more utility out of a low end air GPS for
flying than trying to use a ground based design of any quality. The
air database includes things like Class B, C, and D airspace along
with frequencies to contact the controlling authority. It has all
the airports displayed and can find any airport or VOR (maybe) just
by its 3 or 4 letter code. The air GPSs seem to all have a faked
instrument panel which would actually be very useful for navigating
your plane if your primary instruments go south. None of these
wonderful features would be found in a ground based unit.
One more comment - to get much use out of any GPS in the air you must
learn to work the complex button sequences. This can be very
difficult while also trying to fly your plane. To make it even worse
by trying to use a device oriented toward cars or boats instead of
one carefully optimized for air use would add a great deal to the workload.
My own plans were to get a high end Lowrance air GPS for my plane,
but after the problems with the ground based one I am thinking
seriously of changing to a Garmin. At least in the auto GPS domain
the Garmin functions so much better than the Lowrance that I think it
worth the outrageous price.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 06:50 AM 7/4/2007, you wrote:
>hi list
>i saw an ad for a portable gps system for an
>automobile. it has all the bells and whistles for
>ground use, and i wondered if any of you people have
>used one in the air. if so, was it of any value. i
>will have a gps for my machine but was just wondering
>if the portable auto type gave enough info to make it
>worth taking along on a flight. it will at least give
>the addresses of places to stay and eat on a X-country
>john butterfield
>XL, corvair
>torrance, ca
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Hi John,
The aircraft GPS used is probably a better way to go, but an auto GPS
could provide what you need if you have an AOPA Airport Directory. This
paper bound
aid provides all phone numbers, fuel, frequencies, coordinate data and
runway info, etc for all airports and
for the price would allow you time to eventually upgrade to a Lowrance-500
or equal. I sold a Lowrance-100 a year or so ago for less than you'd
pay for
an automotive GPS, so keep an eye out.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
john butterfield wrote:
>
> hi list
> i saw an ad for a portable gps system for an
> automobile. it has all the bells and whistles for
> ground use, and i wondered if any of you people have
> used one in the air. if so, was it of any value. i
> will have a gps for my machine but was just wondering
> if the portable auto type gave enough info to make it
> worth taking along on a flight. it will at least give
> the addresses of places to stay and eat on a X-country
> john butterfield
> XL, corvair
> torrance, ca
>
>
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| From: | "Bob @ Eagle's Nest" <bob@eaglesnestestates.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/03/07 |
My Call is N7FQT. I reserved the tail number N78QT for my 601XL.
I will give you three guesses on how the "8" will be painted on the side of
the airplane.
Do you think I might get a picture published in QST?
Regards,
Bob Tezyk, N7FQT
N78QT 601XL QB / J3300
Midlothian, TX
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Time: 04:44:04 PM PST US
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Ham Radio
>From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on the list.
I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio Call Signs.
I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my Amateur Radio
background.
73...George
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Try a toe nail or nail clipper.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zip tie nipper
>
> I am mostly working in that awkward, constricted, congested hell-hole
between the panel and the firewall. My forearms always have multiple
puncture wounds healing at any one time. They are not serious injuries, but
I still have to stop work to get a Band-Aid to minimize the blood spots on
the airplane. The main culprit is the square cut off ends of wiring zip
ties. I am using the "low-profile" ties, but the ends are still exposed and
SHARP. I know that there are ties available that are installed with a tool
that cuts the ends very short, and ones that tuck the ends in the clasp, but
these seem over-complicated to me.
>
> A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the
sharp corners. Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on
the ties? If not, will someone please invent one !!
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
> --
10:02 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Large toenail clippers?
Michael in NH
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On 7/4/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
>
> A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the
> sharp corners. Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on
> the ties? If not, will someone please invent one !!
>
> Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
I'm at the same stage and using spiral wrap, which holds the wires together
very firmly but still allows you to branch out anywhere you want to.
Dave Johnson
601XL, Jabiru 3300 engine just arrived!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zip tie nipper
>
> I am mostly working in that awkward, constricted, congested hell-hole
> between the panel and the firewall. My forearms always have multiple
> puncture wounds healing at any one time. They are not serious injuries,
> but I still have to stop work to get a Band-Aid to minimize the blood
> spots on the airplane. The main culprit is the square cut off ends of
> wiring zip ties. I am using the "low-profile" ties, but the ends are
> still exposed and SHARP. I know that there are ties available that are
> installed with a tool that cuts the ends very short, and ones that tuck
> the ends in the clasp, but these seem over-complicated to me.
>
> A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the
> sharp corners. Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on
> the ties? If not, will someone please invent one !!
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
>
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Hi Bruce
Just got KI6KPK.?? How is the 601 project going?
Got firewall loaded.
Thanks to your help.
James Schultz
KI6KPK,? N787XL reserved,? RV N536S
-----Original Message-----
From: wa7dvd <wa7dvd@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:00 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ham Radio
I have been WA7DVD since long before DVDs were invented. (July 1965)
I also operated as HL9TT while in Korea in 1979.
73, -Bruce-
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| Subject: | Re: Primer adhesion |
I buy the spray cans and I don't like the price either, it's about
$14.00 per can but it does go a long way.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Thanks Clyde, I appreciate your input. I think I've looked into
DuPont primer once before but was disgusted with the $200/gal price tag
that came with it. How much does this stuff cost now and days?
Clyde Barcus <barcusc@comcast.net> wrote:
I had the same problem with adhesion, I went to the House of Color
and explained my problem and they recommended DuPont Etch Primer
A-4115S. It works much better than anything I have used in the past.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Wings, Tail & Engine Complete
Working on Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I've placed a 1000W heat lamp (not facing any parts) with a
circulating fan in the shop and have seen a substantial difference in
the feel of the primer, at 93 deg and 53% humidity it is definitely
curing now.
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Art
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank You AJ,
My shop is nothing more then a metal building w/ a dirt floor. I
posted my reply on the primer before waiting a couple days to see how it
set up. I will be back at the "airplane factory" tonight, so I will see
how it is doing.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: Arthur Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:40:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Rob,
I like your nifty plans storage desk on your site, not to
mention your actual dedicated shop.
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AJ
Robert Hansen <stol701@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just zinc chromated the skelaton from my 701 rudder and I
live in the very dry Southern New Mexico. We do not measure humidity
because we have none (joke). I too can scratch off the primer with my
finger nail. Prior to spraying I cleaned up the metal with laquer
thinner.
see at: http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
Rob Hansen
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 10:08:52 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
72% humidity might have something to do with it. Try a
dehumidifier in your shop.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Primer adhesion
Hi All,
Yesterday I finished priming my 701 rudder skeleton with PTI
Zinc Oxide and I've experienced poor adhesion results. I need some
advise on where to go from here.
The only spray painting I've ever been exposed to is the
type that comes out of a spray can. I used an HVLP sprayer with the
reducer proportions as advised by PTI. The conditions in the shop was
70 deg with 72% humidity. The primer is suppose dry tack free in 5
minutes and it did but the fully cured in 30 minutes hasn't quite
happened yet. I've allowed it to cure overnight and the surface can be
chipped down to the chem-film with a fingernail. Any ideas what may
have caused this and what I should do now?
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Paul,
Comments excellent, however I would add one bit: Never buy a portable GPS that
does not have provision for an external antenna and external power.
Most have a female BNC which makes it really easy to connect the outside antenna,
even if the antenna is just attached with Velcro atop the instrument panel
looking up through the windshield.
We've installed many permanent-mount units in commercial vehicles....there are
several styles of mounts available including L-brackets, 3/4" hole, etc for the
antenna. Lots of them are centered on top of the dash against the windshield
and are therefore not subject to weather-related problems.
Point is, the separate "external" antenna doesn't necessarily have to be outside
in the weather, but it does offer a better view of the sky than a rubber ducky,
and with the length of coax supplied, you are free to move the portable GPS
around in the cockpit for better viewing in glare situations. Most antennas
we've installed were about 2" square and less than 1" tall; a compact package.
Regards to all
Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc
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K5CEA (1959)
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
A LARGE SIZE TOENAIL CLIPPER ROUNDS THEM A LITTLE BIT!
DAVE IN MN
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
I am mostly working in that awkward, constricted, congested hell-hole between the
panel and the firewall. My forearms always have multiple puncture wounds healing
at any one time. They are not serious injuries, but I still have to stop
work to get a Band-Aid to minimize the blood spots on the airplane. The main
culprit is the square cut off ends of wiring zip ties. I am using the "low-profile"
ties, but the ends are still exposed and SHARP. I know that there are ties
available that are installed with a tool that cuts the ends very short, and
ones that tuck the ends in the clasp, but these seem over-complicated to me.
A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the sharp corners.
Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on the ties? If
not, will someone please invent one !!
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
LARGE CLIPPERS, NOT TOENAILS. ;-)
Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote: Large toenail clippers?
Michael in NH
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A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the sharp corners.
Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on the ties? If
not, will someone please invent one !!
Jay in Dallas
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For the 701, what are the typical prop lengths, assuming 100 hp?
Thanks, Jerry
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| Subject: | Georgia Cracker Fly-In |
Are any 601XL owners bringing their planes to the Georgia
Cracker Fly-In this Saturday, July 7, 2007? I'm in Columbia, SC, but
I'm thinking about driving over there if it means I might have the
opportunity to see or hopefully sit in one of these planes.
- Andrew
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>A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate
>the sharp corners. Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a
>round end on the ties? If not, will someone please invent one !!
I found a much more elegant solution to the nylon tie problem - don't
use them at all. Instead, use "Lacing Tape" to secure wires. This
is a string like material which resembles waxed dental floss. It is
available from Aircraft Spruce and documented in many of the aircraft
mechanical books.
It is easy to tie wire bundles together with this stuff. It not only
holds them together it also prevents the wires from slipping through
the tie. Nylon ties don't include this quality.
I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH BETTER.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank |
I'm going for the dual 15 gallon tanks.
William Dominguez
Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
William what size tanks are you going to build?
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Jerry,
68" Woodcomp Klassic 3 blade 912ULS N701ZX
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/4/2007 12:29:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jerryhey@earthlink.net writes:
For the 701, what are the typical prop lengths, assuming 100 hp?
Thanks, Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Paul,
Do you have the diagram on how to tie the lacing? I had it but lost it and
am not sure on the best way to tie it.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH BETTER.
Paul
XL fuselage
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KC8DW - ex WA8QWR - First licensed 1965.
Tim in Michigan
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Hi Bob ,I have no way to send it but it is on page 11-63 of AC 43.13-B
if some one has a way to send it.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zip tie nipper
Paul,
Do you have the diagram on how to tie the lacing? I had it but lost it
and am not sure on the best way to tie it.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH
BETTER.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Wade,
Thanks, I will get the dust off my AC-13 and look it up. Thanks for the
reference
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:35:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wjones@brazoriainet.com writes:
Hi Bob ,I have no way to send it but it is on page 11-63 of AC 43.13-B if
some one has a way to send it.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy latching system |
I can't comment on ZAC's latches, since I scratch-built the canopy, and
used spring-loaded barrel bolts myself, but how do you open (or close)
the canopy from the other side of where the latches are? Seems to me
that if you put them inside, you can't secure the canopy when you walk
away, and if you put the,m outside, you can't close the canopy for
flight. This may be my dumb question for the year, but, how will you
set up the latching system?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone<mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com>
To: Zenith list<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy latching system
Wade,
I would not advise any builder to use the latching system from
Zenith.
I have had nothing but trouble from mine since the airplane was new.
First
the canopy would not latch so on the advice from some of the net
members, I
raised the lower latch part by 1/8th inch using a shim under it. Then
the
canopy would latch and now when it is latched and I am trying to open
it
turning the knob on the left side of the canopy, it sticks. I plan to
eliminate the entire system and use latches like the ones on the box I
have
enclosed a picture of. I would advise anyone building this aircraft
to do
the same. This is the system being used on all KR aircraft and I know
from
experence, it works fine and if you are scratch building it's a lot
cheaper.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Inspection/Repair - was Zip tie nipper |
Bob,
Recommend AC42.13-!B/2A (or latest) "Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and
Practices AIRCRAFT INSPECTION, REPAIR & ALTERATIONS".
As stated before by many on this list, this AC is considered a
"must/should have" for a reference document.and has a bunch of
recommended "How To s", including wiring tie lacing
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300, N493TG, 256 hrs of flying fun with the XL
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Subject: Re: Zip tie nipper
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
Date: Wed Jul 04 - 10:59 AM
Paul,
Do you have the diagram on how to tie the lacing? I had it but lost it
and
am not sure on the best way to tie it.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH
BETTER.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: gps off topic a little |
That would work fine until you try and fly in an area w/ lots of restricted airspace.
I live in Southern New Mexico and would not fly without my airmap 2000.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:50:24 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: gps off topic a little
hi list
i saw an ad for a portable gps system for an
automobile. it has all the bells and whistles for
ground use, and i wondered if any of you people have
used one in the air. if so, was it of any value. i
will have a gps for my machine but was just wondering
if the portable auto type gave enough info to make it
worth taking along on a flight. it will at least give
the addresses of places to stay and eat on a X-country
john butterfield
XL, corvair
torrance, ca
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Hi guys, new to the board, and thinking of building an 801. I currently have a
Starduster Too that I didn't build. I was just wondering if any 801's are planning
to go to the Arlington, Wa fly-in next week?
cheers
Chris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122217#122217
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Bob,
I have attached a pdf of the manual Wade referenced.
Jay in Dallas
"wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
>Hi Bob ,I have no way to send it but it is on page 11-63 of AC 43.13-B if some
one has a way to send it.
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NYTerminat@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zip tie nipper
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Do you have the diagram on how to tie the lacing? I had it but lost it and am
not sure on the best way to tie it.
>
> Bob Spudis
>
>
> In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net
writes:
> I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
> Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH BETTER.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine thrust line |
According to 6-YE-1 and 6-YE-2 (Lyc installations) the crank is parallel to and
15mm BELOW the upper surface of the upper longerons. According to 6-CE-1 (Continental
installation) the crank is parallel to and 10mm ABOVE the upper surface
of the upper longerons. According to 6-JE-1 (Jabiru installation) the crank
is parallel to and 23mm ABOVE the upper surface of the upper longerons. I never
did find that information for the Rotax's.
It would seem that the thrust line is not very critical cinse it floats by about
1.5" in their installations... Take not though that the right or left thrust
does vary.
I've spent an hour pouring over the plans and cannot locate the
design thrust line. Can anyone help? This is for preliminary
design for a Mazda Single Rotor installation. I feel like the info
must be there but I am not seeing it. Jerry
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Even better would be a Zenith meet up on Saturday or Sunday.
On 7/4/07, starduster <mrccurtis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi guys, new to the board, and thinking of building an 801. I currently
> have a Starduster Too that I didn't build. I was just wondering if any 801's
> are planning to go to the Arlington, Wa fly-in next week?
>
> cheers
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122217#122217
>
>
--
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http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine thrust line |
Thanks, reverse engineering from the recommended prop clearance (9
inches) , it is clear that a 68 inch prop will put the thrust line
about where it should be. Jerry
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:58 PM, David Downey wrote:
> According to 6-YE-1 and 6-YE-2 (Lyc installations) the crank is
> parallel to and 15mm BELOW the upper surface of the upper
> longerons. According to 6-CE-1 (Continental installation) the crank
> is parallel to and 10mm ABOVE the upper surface of the upper
> longerons. According to 6-JE-1 (Jabiru installation) the crank is
> parallel to and 23mm ABOVE the upper surface of the upper
> longerons. I never did find that information for the Rotax's.
>
> It would seem that the thrust line is not very critical cinse it
> floats by about 1.5" in their installations... Take not though that
> the right or left thrust does vary.
>
> Jerry Hey <jerryhey@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Hi Bob,
Sorry, I didn't even know there was an approved way to tie the
lacing. I just wrap it around the wires a couple of times and tie a
variation on a square knot. I also like to drill a small hole in rib
webs and run the lacing through and tie on both sides of the
web. That keeps the whole bundle from slipping through the rib.
Paul
At 10:58 AM 7/4/2007, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Do you have the diagram on how to tie the lacing? I had it but lost
>it and am not sure on the best way to tie it.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>
>In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net writes:
>I tried the nylon ties inside my wing, but was unable to get the
>Tefzel wires to stay put as required. The lacing tape works MUCH BETTER.
>
>Paul
>XL fuselage
>
>
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Does anyone have experience with the Autoflight PSRU? They produce
one with a 2:43.1 ratio that would work well with the rotaries
relatively high rpm. I just ran across them while searching for
Hirth. It looks like a well made box and weighs only 19 lbs. Jerry
http://www.autoflight.co.nz/reduction
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch Building Fuel Tank |
15 gallons
William Dominguez
Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
William what size tanks are you going to build?
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WB4FAM since 1967
Randy
CH701
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| Subject: | A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
(original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5
rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Hi Robert ,page 9 of the construction manual shows the A4 to have a grip
range of 0 to 1/4" and the A5 a grip range of 0 to 5/16" .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness?
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the area
> of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness (original +
> strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5 rivets as
> supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the construction manual
> or the govt. publications for blind rivets. thanks. Robert Schoenberger
> 701
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Robert,
According to ZAC the grip range for an A4 is 0 to 1/4" (0 to 6mm) and for an A5
it is 0 to 5/16" (0 to 8mm).
Jay in Dallas
Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
>area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
>(original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5
>rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
>construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
>thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Robert,
While drilling the elevator, I misdrilled two holes. Did not look like a big deal,
but I like the idea of a "plate" to strengthen the area. What size of "plate"
do you intend on useing?
Rob http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 3:19:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness?
List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
(original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5
rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
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> From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on the
> list. I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio Call
> Signs.
>
> I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
>
> I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my Amateur
> Radio background.
>
> 73...George
>
> do not archive
Dennis N4ZKR
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Do not know about the 701 but the 601 rivets are countersunk heat so the
grip length is from the top of the head to the end of the shank. 601 form the
countersunk rivets head to look like button head so you loose the countersunk
depth in grip length. If you install an A-4 rivet in a 1/4 inch thick
material using the head that Zenith grinds for the tool, you will NOT have a good
rivet- TOO SHORT. Not sure what the maximum grip length is. Jerry of GA
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I've always used flush cutting wire cutters, a regular and angled pair to
get to almost everywhere. They trim stem flush with grip, and no sliced arms
or backs of hands. Been using them for decades.
CS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zip tie nipper
I am mostly working in that awkward, constricted, congested hell-hole
between the panel and the firewall. My forearms always have multiple
puncture wounds healing at any one time. They are not serious injuries, but
I still have to stop work to get a Band-Aid to minimize the blood spots on
the airplane. The main culprit is the square cut off ends of wiring zip
ties. I am using the "low-profile" ties, but the ends are still exposed and
SHARP. I know that there are ties available that are installed with a tool
that cuts the ends very short, and ones that tuck the ends in the clasp, but
these seem over-complicated to me.
A simpler solution would be to round the exposed end to eliminate the sharp
corners. Does anyone know of a nipper that would cut a round end on the
ties? If not, will someone please invent one !!
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | dual training XL vs HDS |
Thanks to all who answered my queries about dual training. I really appreciate
the link to training site and alternate training aircraft. This site could be
real helpful if folks will post the local training opportunities for others,
especially in the 601 like category. I sometimes travel on business and I can
utilize this information to pick up unique opportunities that I might miss because
I would just be passing through town.
While on the subject of training, I was wondering if anyone has flown both the
XL and HDS? I suspect any FBO training will occur in the XL. Our Durham NC
based project is an HDS with some modifications ( dual sticks, flaps etc).
Will they handle the same? phill
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I want to thank Scott Laughlin for a very nice solution for the fuel tank
door.
I just finished the door for the right wing: it looks nice and works
perfectly!
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/FillerDoor.html
Thanks for sharing the idea, Scott
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Zip tie nipper |
Jay,
Thanks
Bob do not archive
In a message dated 7/4/2007 3:53:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Bob,
I have attached a pdf of the manual Wade referenced.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 07/03/07 |
VO1-PL
Licensed since 85, CDN advanced ticket since 87
--... ...--
-.. . ...- --- .---- .--. .-..
Newfoundland...where trans Atlantic radio started December 1901.
> Time: 04:44:04 PM PST US
> From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Ham Radio
>
> >From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur
> Radio on the list.
> I also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio
> Call Signs.
>
> I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
>
> I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my
> Amateur Radio
> background.
>
> 73...George
>
> do not archive
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I agree with you Robert. Brown Tool is very
reasonable and efficient and offer quality tools.
I've visited their facility a few times.
Ron
Time: 11:56:35 AM PST US
From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tools
List . . . . just a short email to tell what a
pleasant experience it
is to deal with Brown Tool out of Oklahoma City. I
placed an order for ...Shipping and handling was
$5.95. It doesn't get
much better that that! Call 1-800-587-3883 and
request their 130 pg
catalog. I don't haave any financial interest in this
firm. It's just
a pleasure to get such good service. All the other
times I've ordered
from them, it's been the same.
Robert Schoenberger 701
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do they have a website?
----- Original Message ----
From: Ron Ellis <rge177@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:54:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tools
I agree with you Robert. Brown Tool is very
reasonable and efficient and offer quality tools.
I've visited their facility a few times.
Ron
Time: 11:56:35 AM PST US
From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tools
List . . . . just a short email to tell what a
pleasant experience it
is to deal with Brown Tool out of Oklahoma City. I
placed an order for ...Shipping and handling was
$5.95. It doesn't get
much better that that! Call 1-800-587-3883 and
request their 130 pg
catalog. I don't haave any financial interest in this
firm. It's just
a pleasure to get such good service. All the other
times I've ordered
from them, it's been the same.
Robert Schoenberger 701
Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo!
Answers - Check it out.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
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Hi Ben . . . Website is www.browntool.com and email is
browntool@aol,com Robert
Ben Ramler wrote:
> do they have a website?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ron Ellis <rge177@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:54:27 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tools
>
>
> I agree with you Robert. Brown Tool is very
> reasonable and efficient and offer quality tools.
> I've visited their facility a few times.
>
> Ron
>
>
> Time: 11:56:35 AM PST US
> From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Tools
>
>
> List . . . . just a short email to tell what a
> pleasant experience it
> is to deal with Brown Tool out of Oklahoma City. I
> placed an order for ...Shipping and handling was
> $5.95. It doesn't get
> much better that that! Call 1-800-587-3883 and
> request their 130 pg
> catalog. I don't haave any financial interest in this
> firm. It's just
>
> a pleasure to get such good service. All the other
> times I've ordered
> from them, it's been the same.
>
> Robert Schoenberger
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Thanks Wade . . . my construction manual for the 701 is 7/01 and I
don't see the ranges below on that page under blind rivets. Thanks for
the information. It's just what I need. Robert
wade jones wrote:
>
> Hi Robert ,page 9 of the construction manual shows the A4 to have a
> grip range of 0 to 1/4" and the A5 a grip range of 0 to 5/16" .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger"
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:19 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness?
>
>
>> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
>> area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
>> (original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and
>> A5 rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
>> construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
>> thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
Thanks Jay . . . robert 701 do not archive
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> According to ZAC the grip range for an A4 is 0 to 1/4" (0 to 6mm) and for an
A5 it is 0 to 5/16" (0 to 8mm).
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
> Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
>> area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
>> (original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5
>> rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
>> construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
>> thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a.k.a "Crash" |
Hi Jari,
That is wonderful that you wacked that metal can back to like new
condition. Rotax lost a sale of a new one!
I should be done with my rebuild (really a new plane) before year's end.
All of my human parts are mended, the metal aircraft parts take a little
longer to restore.
Also, wonderful to have the company of many ham operators... myself,
too: WB9HMD (ex WB4RPZ) since 1970.. when vaccuum tubes were still high
tech and you stood a chance at being able to fix things yourself!
(and still copy 20 wpm cw!)
Jon
Wisconsin
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From: Jari Kaija (LapTop2)
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: a.k.a "Crash"
Has anyone heard anything about Jon Croke's third plane project.
What is the current situation?
Last time, when I talk with him, he send his crashed oil reservoir for
my plane.
(it's fixed now
http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_engine/DSC04339.JPG).
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Joe in Oshkosh is W9OSA
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thank you robert! their prices are resonable
----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 8:33:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Tools
Hi Ben . . . Website is www.browntool.com and email is
browntool@aol,com Robert
Ben Ramler wrote:
> do they have a website?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ron Ellis <rge177@yahoo.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:54:27 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tools
>
>
> I agree with you Robert. Brown Tool is very
> reasonable and efficient and offer quality tools.
> I've visited their facility a few times.
>
> Ron
>
>
> Time: 11:56:35 AM PST US
> From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Tools
>
>
> List . . . . just a short email to tell what a
> pleasant experience it
> is to deal with Brown Tool out of Oklahoma City. I
> placed an order for ...Shipping and handling was
> $5.95. It doesn't get
> much better that that! Call 1-800-587-3883 and
> request their 130 pg
> catalog. I don't haave any financial interest in this
> firm. It's just
>
> a pleasure to get such good service. All the other
> times I've ordered
> from them, it's been the same.
>
> Robert Schoenberger
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