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1. 03:36 AM - Re: a.k.a "Crash" (Jari Kaija (LapTop2))
2. 07:25 AM - Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:51 AM - Fw: wing tanks (Carlos Sa)
4. 07:51 AM - 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (squiggles)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: 601 dual time (japhillipsga@aol.com)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings (japhillipsga@aol.com)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: 601 dual time (Bill Steer)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Fw: wing tanks (wscribb)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (Jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 09:48 AM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
11. 10:22 AM - Control cables (wade jones)
12. 10:29 AM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (Jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 10:49 AM - Re: Control cables (Bill Steer)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
15. 11:12 AM - Re: Control cables (Jaybannist@cs.com)
16. 11:28 AM - Re: Control cables (Jim Hoak)
17. 12:13 PM - Re: Control cables (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
18. 12:19 PM - Re: Control cables (wade jones)
19. 01:04 PM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (David Downey)
20. 01:10 PM - Re: Control cables (NYTerminat@aol.com)
21. 01:17 PM - Re: Control cables (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
22. 03:04 PM - First flight, test pilot, dual time (Harrison-Hutcheson)
23. 03:08 PM - Place to stay for Oshkosh (Joe)
24. 03:10 PM - Re: Ham Radio (Christopher Galante)
25. 03:36 PM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (LarryMcFarland)
26. 04:08 PM - Re: Place to stay for Oshkosh (Robert Hansen)
27. 04:45 PM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (robert stone)
28. 05:08 PM - Re: Control cables (Juan Vega)
29. 05:21 PM - Re: Control cables (wade jones)
30. 05:21 PM - Re: Ham Radio (KC7HFA)
31. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Ham Radio (Bill Stuart)
32. 05:53 PM - Re: Ham Radio (rroberts)
33. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Ham Radio (Randy L. Thwing)
34. 06:16 PM - Re: Control cables (Herb Heaton)
35. 06:33 PM - Re: : Zip tie nipper (Dave Thompson)
36. 06:38 PM - Re: Control cables (leinad)
37. 06:38 PM - Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage (dj45)
38. 07:12 PM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (NYTerminat@aol.com)
39. 07:12 PM - Re: Canopy Latch (leinad)
40. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Control cables (wade jones)
41. 08:05 PM - Turnbuckles (George Swinford)
42. 08:28 PM - Ham Radio (John Collins)
43. 09:47 PM - Re: Control cables (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: a.k.a "Crash" |
> That is wonderful that you wacked that metal can back to like new
condition.
> Rotax lost a sale of a new one!
It was quite easy to repair with a round wood block and hammer. Took
about 10 minutes... Thanks to you, Rotax won't get anything from me :-)
> All of my human parts are mended,
I'm happy to hear that!
> the metal aircraft parts take a little longer to restore.
Yep. But it's only metal and there is a many company
who sells it. When I'm was in the flight school, I crashed
C-172 totally in my first solo flight. Front wheel sinks to
soft field and turned plane upside down while I was going to
make second take off....
Plane was unrestorable but I get only a little nick to my elbow :-)
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| Subject: | Re: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness? |
All-
ACS (And I'm sure Wick's, too) provides a grip length calculator on
their website. If the stock rivets aren't long enough, order a small
quantity of the correct size and have them shipped USPS!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness?
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> Thanks Wade . . . my construction manual for the 701 is 7/01 and I don't
> see the ranges below on that page under blind rivets. Thanks for the
> information. It's just what I need. Robert
>
> wade jones wrote:
>>
>> Hi Robert ,page 9 of the construction manual shows the A4 to have a grip
>> range of 0 to 1/4" and the A5 a grip range of 0 to 5/16" .
>> Wade Jones South Texas
>> 601XL plans building
>> Cont. 0200
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger"
>> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: A4 & A5 rivets - maximum thickness?
>>
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>>> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>> List . . . I want to install a couple of "plates" to strengthen the
>>> area of a misdrilled hole. What is the maximum material thickness
>>> (original + strengthening plates) that can be riveted with the A4 and A5
>>> rivets as supplied with the kit? I couldn't find this in the
>>> construction manual or the govt. publications for blind rivets.
>>> thanks. Robert Schoenberger 701
>>>
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Hellol, all
I have received several requests for the ppt file.
Since at least one of the requesters had a problem with his in-box, I
uploaded the file to YouSendIt, where it'll stay for another 6 days or so.
I do not know if there is a limit for the downloads, but I think not.
http://download.yousendit.com/F952CFE30944F0BD
Here are some tips:
0) I assume you have already built the parts - the tips below are for the
pro-seal "ceremony" only.
0.1) the only tip here is: make the parts fit tightly, no gaps allowed!!!
1) plan each work session in detail
2) before going for the real thing, make a small batch of pro-seal and put
two scrap parts together, just to get the hang of it - and to understand how
much of the stuff you need to cover an area "about this size".
3) plan each work session in detail
4) prepare a bit more than just enough pro-seal for the work you are going
to do in one session
5) have a bunch of paper towel cut in 6"x6" squares, wet in lacquer thinner,
at the ready.
6) have additional paper towel cut, dry, ready for use in case you did not
prepare enough wet ones.
[(5) and (6) above will help avoid having to explain how pro-seal got on the
toilet seat (no, it did not happen to me, but it does not take a lot of
imagination to figure it could have happened).]
7) plan each work session in detail
8) keep the wet paper towels covered to minimize the fumes in the room (I
used a biscuit tin) - although the most disagreeable smell comes from
pro-seal ("fart in a can"), the strongest comes from lacquer thinner.
9) it follows that ventilation is very important!!!
10) did I mention planning yet?
11) use gloves all the time - people who worked with this before recommend
vinyl gloves, as latex dissolves with lacquer thinner. Guess what, so does
vinyl, just a bit more slowly.
12) wear clothes you can discard if "contaminated"
13) planning!
14) no interruptions during the work session!!! after you start, you are
committed !
15) break the work down in steps that you can perform in separate work
sessions. For instance, I started riveting the fittings - they are small and
take little time to do, so ideal for training. I then proceeded to the
baffle: rear and bottom in one session. Then the sides, rear and bottom in
one session. Then a big, long session to zip it up.
16) planning. Seriously. Every night, when I would go to bed, I would go
through the steps of the next working session. I prevented a number of
blunders this way.
17) every rivet is covered with pro-seal before being inserted on its
"resting place"
18) a bit less hardener in the mix will allow you longer working time. But
don't mess with it, or it will never cure...
19) they say "don't overdo with the pro-seal". Right, but more is better
than less! ! ! !
I read in one of the web sites (or the RV list): the worst part is *before*
you get started. After you get going, you'll see it's not that bad. BTW,
planning helps a lot. ;-)
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| Subject: | 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Hello All...
As I approach the end of building( though at this pace it will still be another
2 years before I fly ) I faced with a multitude of items which I bypassed at
the time, but now must be addressed.
During construction of the rear fuselage the L angles must be joggled and riveted
to the skins and the extruded longerons. I didn't like the edge distances
which came out from single rivets into the longerons. This was primarily the
result of poor joggling. I will likely add 2 additional "squares" of L's in the
rear fuselage. However, reviewing my building notes from that time I see it
was hit or miss as to the quality of the joggle.
What techniques, dies, etc. have you used which assure a quality joggle everytime?
Worst case, I am just going to use an additional strip of aluminum the thickness
of the longerons, placing it between the skin and the L. Thus, avoiding the
joggle hassle all together.
Any help is appreciated....
Thx...
-Scott
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=squiggles&action=display&private=&
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122362#122362
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
Phil, come to Georgia and you can get some XL dual time in my plane. We'l ma
ke a couple dozen landings and you'll be ready. Best regards, Bill of Georgi
a
-----Original Message-----
From: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:58 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 dual time
I have run into a challenge that I assume happens to other first time builde
rs who are low time pilots.=C2- I=99ve not flown much since 2002 and
am very rusty.=C2- Most of my hobby resources have been put toward buildi
ng.=C2- I have been trying to find away to get training in some HDS like m
achine.=C2- People have recommended a Grumman Yankee and there are not ver
y many (none for rent) near me.=C2- I am concerned that when I get ready t
o fly the liability insurance companies may require some minimal=C2-=C2
- time in 601.=C2- Then I called Zenith to try and get a list of local f
lying aircraft and have had some success at contacting people.=C2- But the
issue is what to ask for.=C2- I doubt any sane person is going to let me
fly their airplane solo. Then, after ready the July issue of Sport Aviation
page 122 under building basics,=C2- I had an idea.=C2- The article is qu
estions and answers, most surrounding sport pilot and who can log time,=C2
-=C2-=C2- There is a discussion of 14 CFR 61.5(e)(1), which state that
=C2- if you are in an aircraft for which you are rated and the sole manipu
lator of the control, you can log time (i.e., PIC time), even if you are not
PIC for the flight.=C2- If I have this correct, then any homebuilder who
has an aircraft and who can act as PIC ( i.e., current with landings, BFR, M
edical if necessary) , can act as PIC ( and unofficial flight instructor) fo
r any other pilot who is rated for that aircraft even if the other pilot has
no Medical or BFR, so longs as=C2- the =9Cstudent Pilot=9D
=C2- is the sole manipulator of the controls.=C2- Of courses the guy act
ing as PIC has all the liability risks.=C2- I assume so long as this is no
t being done for carriage the =9Cstudent=9D would be allow to co
ver half the expenses of the flight.=C2- It would be an easy say that the
student, (perhaps riding pilot would be a better term) provided the fuel and
oil and the owner provided engine depreciation.=C2- Thus if I am reading
the regs correctly, home-builders could help each other simply by sharing ri
des.=C2-=C2- Both reduce their cost, make new friends and the less exper
ienced guy is provided a way of getting, documenting experience in a very si
milar aircraft, and the owner-builder of the aircraft being flown is always
in the plane to lend a hand.
=C2-
I know I have a very selfish motives for this now as I would be the
=9Cbeggar=9D pilot, but if we could do more of this kind of thing I be
lieve we could reduce first flight accidents even more.. Plus I am betting f
lying with fellow builders is a blast.
=C2-
phill
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings |
Ed, I made some pieces that fit under the stablizer riveted to the fuselae sides.
Problem was you need three per side to fit betwe.n the up right brackets that
hold it on. Used beer box cardbroard (wonder where the beer went ?) to make
each template, cut fron .20 and a few rivets. Makes it look a buch better. Don't
have any photos, sorry. Best regrads, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 8:21 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Mounting horizontal stab and fairings
Hi to all,
?
?? I'm having no luck finding useful photos of the fairing that closes up the gap
under the horizontal stabilizer. If left to my own imagination, I'm sure I
can come up with something but I'd appreciate the opportunity to see what some
of you have done. If you have some useful photos and/or hints, please..... hook
a brother up.
?
Dred
601XL
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: 601 dual time |
I'm in the same situation. Where are you in GA? My daughter lives in
Douglasville, just west of Atlanta.
Thanks.
Bill
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japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
> Phil, come to Georgia and you can get some XL dual time in my plane.
> We'l make a couple dozen landings and you'll be ready. Best regards,
> Bill of Georgia
>
>
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Thanks Carlos,
A very complete presentation, really helps me understand the overall
process.
Bill Cribb
Do not archive.
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: wing tanks
Hellol, all
I have received several requests for the ppt file.
Since at least one of the requesters had a problem with his in-box, I
uploaded the file to YouSendIt, where it'll stay for another 6 days or so.
I do not know if there is a limit for the downloads, but I think not.
http://download.yousendit.com/F952CFE30944F0BD
<http://download.yousendit.com/F952CFE30944F0BD>
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| Subject: | 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Scott,
I made my joggling blocks from 1 1/2" x 2" hard yellow pine boards that were a
part of the ZAC shipping crates. See attached photos. The offset is ~5/32" or
4mm by ~1". I placed the aluminum angle on the long block, end of angle flush
with the end of the block. Align the top block with the joggle and give it
a couple of sharp whacks with a mallet. Sometimes, I would clamp the vertical
leg of the angle with another wood block to eliminate distortion of that leg.
Questions?
Jay in Dallas
"squiggles" <squiggles@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hello All...
>
>As I approach the end of building( though at this pace it will still be another
2 years before I fly ) I faced with a multitude of items which I bypassed at
the time, but now must be addressed.
>
>During construction of the rear fuselage the L angles must be joggled and riveted
to the skins and the extruded longerons. I didn't like the edge distances
which came out from single rivets into the longerons. This was primarily the
result of poor joggling. I will likely add 2 additional "squares" of L's in
the rear fuselage. However, reviewing my building notes from that time I see
it was hit or miss as to the quality of the joggle.
>
>What techniques, dies, etc. have you used which assure a quality joggle everytime?
>
>Worst case, I am just going to use an additional strip of aluminum the thickness
of the longerons, placing it between the skin and the L. Thus, avoiding the
joggle hassle all together.
>
>Any help is appreciated....
>
>Thx...
>-Scott
>http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=squiggles&action=display&private=&
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122362#122362
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Jay,
On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
> I made my joggling blocks from 1 1/2" x 2" hard yellow pine boards ...
Very nifty. Do you have a picture of the finished, joggled parts? My
own experience joggling with such a setup is that the joggle is nice
and crisp near the "break" but, towards the end of the part, the metal
progressively "relaxes" and "unjoggles".
Ihab
--
Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables
.Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close tolerances
is there any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Ihab,
I have attached photos of a 20mm x 20mm x .025 angle scrap that I just joggled.
Jay in Dallas
ihab.awad@gmail.com wrote:
>
>Jay,
>
>On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>> I made my joggling blocks from 1 1/2" x 2" hard yellow pine boards ...
>
>Very nifty. Do you have a picture of the finished, joggled parts? My
>own experience joggling with such a setup is that the joggle is nice
>and crisp near the "break" but, towards the end of the part, the metal
>progressively "relaxes" and "unjoggles".
>
>Ihab
>
>--
>Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
How will you maintain the required tension on the cables? Also, if the
cables stretch slightly over time, how will you compensate if you don't
have turnbuckles?
Bill
do not archive
wade jones wrote:
> Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables
> .Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close
> tolerances is there any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Thank you! Somehow looks a lot better than my results. I'll try your
jig idea! -- I
On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
> Ihab,
>
> I have attached photos of a 20mm x 20mm x .025 angle scrap that I just joggled.
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
> ihab.awad@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Jay,
> >
> >On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
> >> I made my joggling blocks from 1 1/2" x 2" hard yellow pine boards ...
> >
> >Very nifty. Do you have a picture of the finished, joggled parts? My
> >own experience joggling with such a setup is that the joggle is nice
> >and crisp near the "break" but, towards the end of the part, the metal
> >progressively "relaxes" and "unjoggles".
> >
> >Ihab
> >
> >--
> >Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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Wade,
Over time, your cables will stretch. You need to be able to compensate for that
to maintain the proper tension. You could always build in idler pulleys to
do that job, but that introduces a bunch of other problems. Turnbuckles are the
easy way.
Jay in Dallas
"wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
>Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables .Question
: Since I am building my cables and will keep close tolerances is there any
need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Wade,
I built a 601HD 11 years ago. I used the pieces of aluminum extrusion
and various lengths of 1/4" diameter bolts - all supplied in the kit, (
to set the tension). I'm an A & P with some experience and was turned
off by this at first. I even had certified A/C turnbuckles on hand but
decided to go with Chris' simple design. It worked fine, 11 years and
550 hours later - no problems. ( You still have to use safety wire as a
precaution). Remember the cables will "stretch" very little in the long
run, because we will only have about 18 to 20 pounds tension on them
anyway. ( Just take the slack out! ) I've never had to re-adjust mine
yet.
Of course the expensive "store bought" turnbuckles look nice and
certainly will work. But you still have to make the cables the proper
length even with them!
Jim Hoak - 601HD - 912UL - 550 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Control cables
Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables
.Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close tolerances
is there any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Jim. I am building a 601 HD and saw the Zenith turnbuckles and like you
rejected them but sounds like they are the way to go. Also, never did like to
safteywire a turnbuckle. Jerry of GA
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Thanks Jim ,Jay & Bill for your responses .The reason I asked this
question is because my 48 year old Piper Tripacer & my 30 year old
Sonerai do not use turnbuckles in this application .Don't want to sound
argumentative but if is OK on a certified aircraft why not on an
experimental .It would be the same amount of work and would save a
little expense.Thanks again and I give all responses consideration .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hoak
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control cables
Wade,
I built a 601HD 11 years ago. I used the pieces of aluminum extrusion
and various lengths of 1/4" diameter bolts - all supplied in the kit, (
to set the tension). I'm an A & P with some experience and was turned
off by this at first. I even had certified A/C turnbuckles on hand but
decided to go with Chris' simple design. It worked fine, 11 years and
550 hours later - no problems. ( You still have to use safety wire as a
precaution). Remember the cables will "stretch" very little in the long
run, because we will only have about 18 to 20 pounds tension on them
anyway. ( Just take the slack out! ) I've never had to re-adjust mine
yet.
Of course the expensive "store bought" turnbuckles look nice and
certainly will work. But you still have to make the cables the proper
length even with them!
Jim Hoak - 601HD - 912UL - 550 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: wade jones
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Control cables
Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control
cables .Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close
tolerances is there any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
joggle bars or joggle blocks work very well for formed sheet angles but to a lesser
degree on extruded sections. We were able to use aluminum and steel joggle
blocks on extruded sections back at Cessna Experimental though - make sure that
the binding edges (that acturally form the departures from straight) are polished
to avoid marking the extrusion - especially near the radius.
Thank you! Somehow looks a lot better than my results. I'll try your
jig idea! -- I
On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> Ihab,
>
> I have attached photos of a 20mm x 20mm x .025 angle scrap that I just joggled.
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
> ihab.awad@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Jay,
> >
> >On 7/5/07, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
> >> I made my joggling blocks from 1 1/2" x 2" hard yellow pine boards ...
> >
> >Very nifty. Do you have a picture of the finished, joggled parts? My
> >own experience joggling with such a setup is that the joggle is nice
> >and crisp near the "break" but, towards the end of the part, the metal
> >progressively "relaxes" and "unjoggles".
> >
> >Ihab
> >
> >--
> >Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Wade
Cable stretch and want to be tightened after a while, much easier with
turnbuckles than the flat stock that Zenith uses.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wjones@brazoriainet.com writes:
Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables
.Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close tolerances is there
any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
I'd use the turn buckles...for a number of reasons. I have made quite a
few cables.....cut them to length...swaged the ends, etc. I can get them
pretty close to the exact length that I want....but having the turnbuckle lets
you
fine tune the tension. It also lets you fine tune the position of your
stick..or pedals. For example, I decided that I wanted the neutral position
of
my stick a little further forward than it was initially. Somehow, it just
felt more comfortable having the stick about an inch further forward. With the
turnbuckles, it's a snap. Just be sure to cut your cables so the
turnbuckles are at a midpoint of their adjustment range to start with.
Dave
601XL/Corvair N618PZ
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| Subject: | First flight, test pilot, dual time |
It would appear that my first real challenge of building a CH701 has
just started - I completed my Airworthiness Certification last Friday -
6/29/2007, approximately 1 year after starting assembly of the kit. A
phase I testing period of 5 hours has been included as part of the
Operating Limitations. Using a "strict interpretation" of this
requirement this must be completed with only the pilot on board.
Additionally for insurance coverage (under an EAA insurance program)
only pilots with 2 or more logged hours specifically in a Zenith STOL
CH701 would be covered. It would appear that I am now in desperate need
of:
1. Test pilot for first flight.
2. Test pilot for the 5-hour Phase I flight testing.
3. Experienced pilot to provide 2 hours of dual instruction. The
insurance underwriter had initially indicated this pilot needed to be a
CFI but after pushing back they acknowledged that finding a CFI in
Western Missouri/Eastern Kansas with CH701 experience would be next to
impossible so they relented and will allow any pilot with 2 or more
CH701 experience to provide "dual time".
Only "named pilots" would be covered, therefore I would need to be able
to provide the insurance underwriter/agency with any pilots name,
address, and appropriate Zenith STOL CH701 flight history. The plane is
currently located in Harrisonville MO (KLRY)
If you can be of help, or know someone in the Midwest that might be able
to help please contact me off-line at:
samhutcheson@kc.rr.com
913-268-6840 or 913-238-3807
3717 W 155th St. Overland Park, KS 66224
Thanks,
Sammy J Hutcheson
Zenith STOL CH701
N6412Z
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| Subject: | Place to stay for Oshkosh |
If anyone needs a place to stay for Oshkosh, my neighbor mentioned today she
will be gone for the entire week and you can rent her house. The place would
be great for one or two couples, Laundry, satelite TV, and just a few min
from the airport. You can come and help me pull rivets! I already have a
housefull.
Contact me offline and I will set it up. 920-237-1450.
Joe in Oshkosh
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KF6YZH - Chris Galante - Hello!
----- Original Message ----
From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 4:43:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Ham Radio
>From time to time someone mentions Ham Radio or Amateur Radio on the list. I
also see some email addresses that look like Amateur Radio Call Signs.
I am curious how many on the list have their Ham License?
I have been WB8BGY since 1969. Google my call sign to see my Amateur Radio background.
73...George
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
Hi Sam,
It'd seem easier to find a good pilot with insurance, CFI if possible,
with a willingness to put 2 - 4 hours on your plane and then get dual
time so that your insurers will cover you from that point. You're not
likely to have serious problems if you've done
your homework and it sounds like you have. Otherwise, the logistics are
awkward, but worst case, have a look at the 701 map to find the nearest
701 flying.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Harrison-Hutcheson wrote:
> It would appear that my first real challenge of building a CH701 has
> just started - I completed my Airworthiness Certification last Friday
> - 6/29/2007, approximately 1 year after starting assembly of the kit.
> A phase I testing period of 5 hours has been included as part of the
> Operating Limitations. Using a "strict interpretation" of this
> requirement this must be completed with only the pilot on board.
>
> Additionally for insurance coverage (under an EAA insurance program)
> only pilots with 2 or more logged hours specifically in a
> Zenith STOL CH701 would be covered. It would appear that I am now in
> desperate need of:
>
> 1. Test pilot for first flight.
>
> 2. Test pilot for the 5-hour Phase I flight testing.
>
> 3. Experienced pilot to provide 2 hours of dual instruction. The
> insurance underwriter had initially indicated this pilot needed to be
> a CFI but after pushing back they acknowledged that finding a CFI in
> Western Missouri/Eastern Kansas with CH701 experience would be next to
> impossible so they relented and will allow any pilot with 2 or more
> CH701 experience to provide "dual time".
>
> Only "named pilots" would be covered, therefore I would need to be
> able to provide the insurance underwriter/agency with any pilots name,
> address, and appropriate Zenith STOL CH701 flight history. The plane
> is currently located in Harrisonville MO (KLRY)
>
> If you can be of help, or know someone in the Midwest that might be
> able to help please contact me off-line at:
>
> samhutcheson@kc.rr.com <mailto:samhutcheson@kc.rr.com>
> 913-268-6840 or 913-238-3807
> 3717 W 155th St. Overland Park, KS 66224
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sammy J Hutcheson
> Zenith STOL CH701
> N6412Z
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Place to stay for Oshkosh |
I am staying at http://www.redbanks.net/ , looks like nice cabins on the river for $95 night (2 bedroom). Today I called and added one more day to my cabin with no problem. Distance 30 miles. Just for anyones info, in case they are still looking.
Rob Hansen http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
----- Original Message ----
From: Joe <joe@kfiz.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 4:08:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Place to stay for Oshkosh
If anyone needs a place to stay for Oshkosh, my neighbor mentioned today she
will be gone for the entire week and you can rent her house. The place would
be great for one or two couples, Laundry, satelite TV, and just a few min
from the airport. You can come and help me pull rivets! I already have a
housefull.
Contact me offline and I will set it up. 920-237-1450.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
Harrison,
I am insured with Skysmith and after checking with several
insurance companies including the one EAA recommends, I found them to be
the cheapest. They will sell you full coverage which I would recommend
and cancel all but libility when you have learned to fly your aircraft.
This way if you break something learning, you will be covered. Here is
their URL http://www.skysmith.com/ They have an 800 number shown on
the web site and there is also a form for pilot history and an
application
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Harrison-Hutcheson
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight, test pilot, dual time
It would appear that my first real challenge of building a CH701 has
just started - I completed my Airworthiness Certification last Friday -
6/29/2007, approximately 1 year after starting assembly of the kit. A
phase I testing period of 5 hours has been included as part of the
Operating Limitations. Using a "strict interpretation" of this
requirement this must be completed with only the pilot on board.
Additionally for insurance coverage (under an EAA insurance program)
only pilots with 2 or more logged hours specifically in a Zenith STOL
CH701 would be covered. It would appear that I am now in desperate need
of:
1. Test pilot for first flight.
2. Test pilot for the 5-hour Phase I flight testing.
3. Experienced pilot to provide 2 hours of dual instruction. The
insurance underwriter had initially indicated this pilot needed to be a
CFI but after pushing back they acknowledged that finding a CFI in
Western Missouri/Eastern Kansas with CH701 experience would be next to
impossible so they relented and will allow any pilot with 2 or more
CH701 experience to provide "dual time".
Only "named pilots" would be covered, therefore I would need to be
able to provide the insurance underwriter/agency with any pilots name,
address, and appropriate Zenith STOL CH701 flight history. The plane is
currently located in Harrisonville MO (KLRY)
If you can be of help, or know someone in the Midwest that might be
able to help please contact me off-line at:
samhutcheson@kc.rr.com
913-268-6840 or 913-238-3807
3717 W 155th St. Overland Park, KS 66224
Thanks,
Sammy J Hutcheson
Zenith STOL CH701
N6412Z
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
turnbuckle are a requirement in my opinion, as the cable over time is prone to
streching. you need to be able to abjust the tension on the cables to the apropiate
foot Lbs.
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: NYTerminat@aol.com
>Sent: Jul 5, 2007 4:09 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control cables
>
>
>Wade
>
>Cable stretch and want to be tightened after a while, much easier with
>turnbuckles than the flat stock that Zenith uses.
>
>Bob Spudis
>
>
>
>In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>wjones@brazoriainet.com writes:
>
>Hello group , I am getting ready to construct my rudder control cables
>.Question : Since I am building my cables and will keep close tolerances is there
>any need for the expensive turnbuckles . Thanks
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Thanks to all that responded to my control cable issue .Since I always
fly with my feet on the rudder pedals and this controls my cable tension
I may not use turnbuckles on the rudders. Due to the control stick
torque tube having no forward movement control stops and relying on
cable tension only to keep it in place . I think it best to use the
turnbuckles on the elevator cables .Do you guys think this will work out
OK .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control cables
I'd use the turn buckles...for a number of reasons. I have made
quite a few cables.....cut them to length...swaged the ends, etc. I can
get them pretty close to the exact length that I want....but having the
turnbuckle lets you fine tune the tension. It also lets you fine tune
the position of your stick..or pedals. For example, I decided that I
wanted the neutral position of my stick a little further forward than it
was initially. Somehow, it just felt more comfortable having the stick
about an inch further forward. With the turnbuckles, it's a snap. Just
be sure to cut your cables so the turnbuckles are at a midpoint of their
adjustment range to start with.
Dave
601XL/Corvair N618PZ
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KC7HFA in Southern Oregon...
73's
Ron
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Ron Asbill
N601ZX - CH-601 XL
Jabiru 3300
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VE9RF...former VE1BTZ...Since early 80
Scratch building 701 for 2 years now , many more to go.
Never would have made it this far without the help of Jon,s DVD,s and this
list.
Working for a living keeps getting in the way lol.
73s
Bill Stuart
From: "KC7HFA" <kc7hfa@totalusa.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ham Radio
KC7HFA in Southern Oregon...
73's
Ron
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N601ZX - CH-601 XL
Jabiru 3300
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KC8HIJ mid-80s
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Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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For no special reason, I was looking up on the Internet movie data base what
movies the Actor and Folk singer; Burl Ives appeared in, and the following
note appeared:
Was a licensed amateur (ham) radio with the call sign KA6HVA. When he passed
away, he became, in ham radio parlance, a "silent key."
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0412322/
Just a bit of trivia to add to the thread, you never know who's a "Ham".
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Wade,
I think you will need turnbuckles on the rudder cables too. Since the
rudder pedals are connected to the nose gear strut with pushrods, you will
have to have some way to balance the tension on the rudder cables. If the
cables are loose you can't take the slop out by pushing on the rudder
pedals.
Herb
>From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control cables
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:19:37 -0500
>
>Thanks to all that responded to my control cable issue .Since I always fly
>with my feet on the rudder pedals and this controls my cable tension I may
>not use turnbuckles on the rudders. Due to the control stick torque tube
>having no forward movement control stops and relying on cable tension only
>to keep it in place . I think it best to use the turnbuckles on the
>elevator cables .Do you guys think this will work out OK .
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: VideoFlyer@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Control cables
>
>
> I'd use the turn buckles...for a number of reasons. I have made quite
>a few cables.....cut them to length...swaged the ends, etc. I can get them
>pretty close to the exact length that I want....but having the turnbuckle
>lets you fine tune the tension. It also lets you fine tune the position of
>your stick..or pedals. For example, I decided that I wanted the neutral
>position of my stick a little further forward than it was initially.
>Somehow, it just felt more comfortable having the stick about an inch
>further forward. With the turnbuckles, it's a snap. Just be sure to cut
>your cables so the turnbuckles are at a midpoint of their adjustment range
>to start with.
>
> Dave
> 601XL/Corvair N618PZ
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Zip tie nipper |
I am not building yet but..
I plan to use lacing tape as Paul suggested. I also plan to use the
removable ty-wraps (you can get them from Home Depot) so I can build the
loom and route all the wires first. I will then tie the finished bundle and
remove the temporary ty-wraps. I use this method for installing telephone
and network cabling where they all come together in the terminal. It also
allows me to "comb" the bundle before finish tying. I also like the looks of
a laced bundle rather than ty-wraps.
Dave Thompson
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Wade,
I'm a fellow plans builder and a bit confused by your plan. Are you doing the
standard tri-gear, or will it be a tail dragger? On the tri-gear the rudder
peddles are tied together through the front gear steering linkage, so it seams
like feet on the peddles will have little if any effect on rudder cable tension.
My plan is to adjust the tie rod ends on the stearing gear until the rudder
peddles are in the neutral position with the front wheel straight ahead, then
adjust the rudder cables to also put the rudder in the neutral position.
I wouldn't want them not to be coordinated. Maybe you have some other adjustment
mechanism in mind?? If you're doing a tail dragger this may become a mute
point.
Dan
XL/Corvair
> Since I always fly with my feet on the rudder pedals and this controls my cable
tension I may not use turnbuckles on the rudders. Due to the control stick
torque tube having no forward movement control stops and relying on cable tension
only to keep it in place . I think it best to use the turnbuckles on the elevator
cables .Do you guys think this will work out OK .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Joggling the L's in the Rear Fuselage |
Just make a form from a oak 4X4 and use a rubber mallet and they will turn out
just fine.
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Dan Stanton
90% done 90% to go
801, IO360
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
Sammy, Congratulations on getting to the point where you are. How did you
get a 5 Hr Phase 1?
In a message dated 7/5/2007 6:06:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
samhutcheson@kc.rr.com writes:
It would appear that my first real challenge of building a CH701 has just
started - I completed my Airworthiness Certification last Friday - 6/29/2007,
approximately 1 year after starting assembly of the kit. A phase I testing
period of 5 hours has been included as part of the Operating Limitations.
Using a "strict interpretation" of this requirement this must be completed with
only the pilot on board.
Additionally for insurance coverage (under an EAA insurance program) only
pilots with 2 or more logged hours specifically in a Zenith STOL CH701 would be
covered. It would appear that I am now in desperate need of:
1. Test pilot for first flight.Go to the factory in Mexico, Mo and get in
a couple of hours with Roger.
2. Test pilot for the 5-hour Phase I flight testing.Once you have some time
in under your belt and feel comfortable flying the plane, do your own Phase
1 flying. Are you current? Have you been flying at all recently? Get yourself
up to speed before you fly on your own.
3. Experienced pilot to provide 2 hours of dual instruction. The insurance
underwriter had initially indicated this pilot needed to be a CFI but after
pushing back they acknowledged that finding a CFI in Western Missouri/Eastern
Kansas with CH701 experience would be next to impossible so they relented
and will allow any pilot with 2 or more CH701 experience to provide "dual
time".Do this with Roger at Mexico, MO This is what I did.
Only "named pilots" would be covered, therefore I would need to be able to
provide the insurance underwriter/agency with any pilots name, address, and
appropriate Zenith STOL CH701 flight history. The plane is currently located
in Harrisonville MO (KLRY) I have the same insurance and they accepted my time
with Roger. Good luck.
Bob Spudis N701ZX CH-701 112hrs
If you can be of help, or know someone in the Midwest that might be able to
help please contact me off-line at:
_samhutcheson@kc.rr.com_ (mailto:samhutcheson@kc.rr.com)
913-268-6840 or 913-238-3807
3717 W 155th St. Overland Park, KS 66224
Thanks,
Sammy J Hutcheson
Zenith STOL CH701
N6412Z
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Malcom,
My thanks too.!
Wade,
What's the source? All I've found is company's that require a request for quotes.
I've requested the quotes, but somehow don't think they are going to appreciate
requests for quatities of ones and twos. I haven't heard from them yet.
Dan Dempsey
601XL/Corvair
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> Thank you Malcolm for this info it will be a great help ,by the way I found some
for $7.35 each .I have not ordered yet . DO Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Good point Leinad ,I am going the tri-gear route but I was thinking the tail
gear route .When I fly my Sonerai (tail wheel} I control the tension by my
feet on the rudder pedals .My Tri-pacer is so easy to fly anything goes
.Guess I will have to stop being so cheap and buy the turnbuckles ,case
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Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Control cables
>
> Wade,
> I'm a fellow plans builder and a bit confused by your plan. Are you doing
> the standard tri-gear, or will it be a tail dragger? On the tri-gear the
> rudder peddles are tied together through the front gear steering linkage,
> so it seams like feet on the peddles will have little if any effect on
> rudder cable tension. My plan is to adjust the tie rod ends on the
> stearing gear until the rudder peddles are in the neutral position with
> the front wheel straight ahead, then adjust the rudder cables to also put
> the rudder in the neutral position. I wouldn't want them not to be
> coordinated. Maybe you have some other adjustment mechanism in mind??
> If you're doing a tail dragger this may become a mute point.
> Dan
> XL/Corvair
>
>
>> Since I always fly with my feet on the rudder pedals and this controls my
>> cable tension I may not use turnbuckles on the rudders. Due to the
>> control stick torque tube having no forward movement control stops and
>> relying on cable tension only to keep it in place . I think it best to
>> use the turnbuckles on the elevator cables .Do you guys think this will
>> work out OK .
>> Wade Jones South Texas
>> 601XL plans building
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122460#122460
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Wade and others contemplating turnbuckles:
Note that there is a variety of turnbuckle which does not need to be
safety-wired. See pg. 136 in the Aircraft Spruce catalog for MS
clip-locking turnbuckle assemblies.
George
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Hi, list,
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John Collins
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
Sounds like you're building a tail wheel Zodiac. In that case you might
not need turnbuckles in the rudder cables. In the nose wheel version,
foot pressure on the pedals has little effect on the cable tension due
to the direct connection of the nose wheel steering rods.
wade jones wrote:
> Thanks to all that responded to my control cable issue .Since I always
> fly with my feet on the rudder pedals and this controls my cable tension
> I may not use turnbuckles on the rudders. Due to the control stick
> torque tube having no forward movement control stops and relying on
> cable tension only to keep it in place . I think it best to use the
> turnbuckles on the elevator cables .Do you guys think this will work out
> OK .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
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