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1. 04:25 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (David Downey)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Randy L. Thwing)
4. 07:55 AM - 5V Source (Jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Randy L. Thwing)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (David Downey)
7. 08:21 AM - Re: How about a sliding canopy? (BobTezyk)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator (aprazer)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: 5V Source (n282rs@satx.rr.com)
10. 11:21 AM - Re: 5V Source (Jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 02:08 PM - Re;How about a sliding canopy/ (MaxNr@aol.com)
12. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Matt Stecher)
13. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (David Downey)
14. 02:50 PM - Sliding canopy on the 601 (George Swinford)
15. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Tools (browntool@aol.com)
16. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Southern Reflections)
17. 06:12 PM - ACF-50 Application to a 601 HDS (Timothy Croy)
18. 07:49 PM - Re: Ham Radio (Tim Verthein)
19. 09:26 PM - Re: Tools (chris Sinfield)
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hey Bill;
I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale price. I have
noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized hole - but they work
great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling with #30 drill for rivets.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: All-
I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in my workbench
for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work great! $.99 a
10 pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in stock. I walked around with
a raincheck in my wallet for months.
You ever get the feeling HF is a commie front directed at homebuilders? The
latest internet flier offers safety wire pliers, cable cutting pliers, ratcheting
terminal crimpers- all the weird stuff no one else on the face of the
earth would have a use for!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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Dave-
They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process,
because I miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under
an ACS bit. For that reason, I haven't used them for finish work,
either. I'm just amazed that they cut as well as they do for a dime
apiece.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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From: David Downey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits
hey Bill;
I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale
price. I have noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized
hole - but they work great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling
with #30 drill for rivets.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
All-
I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in
my workbench for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work
great! $.99 a 10 pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in
stock. I walked around with a raincheck in my wallet for months.
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I've tried a a few HF bits and found many of the tin coated that come in
sets have a poorly sharpened tip that is not centered causing them to
drill oversize. Also have found many that are just not straight.
Probably depends on which ChiCom factory produces them. Just drill a
test hole first in scrap before proceeding to your valuable parts.
Ten cent drills may or may not be a bargain!
Regards,
Randy Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive
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Hey all you electronikers:
My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation
circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation
circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either.
Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one?
Jay in Dallas
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Tin coating of cutting tools is only couple of ten thousandths thick at
the most, if the drills measure undersize, it's because they were ground
undersize.
Regards, do not archive,
Randy, Las Vegas
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits
Dave-
They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process,
because I miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under
an ACS bit.
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I agree on their utility Bill. While they do mike at about the right diameter,
when I looked at the tips under high mag they appear to be nonsymmetrical - and
that is probably why they walk and drill oversized holes. Again, not a problem
if they are not the final hole.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Dave-
They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process, because I
miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under an ACS bit. For
that reason, I haven't used them for finish work, either. I'm just amazed that
they cut as well as they do for a dime apiece.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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From: David Downey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits
hey Bill;
I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale price. I have
noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized hole - but they work
great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling with #30 drill for rivets.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: All-
I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in my workbench
for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work great! $.99 a 10
pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in stock. I walked around with
a raincheck in my wallet for months.
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| Subject: | Re: How about a sliding canopy? |
I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The airplane
was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen, the canopy
itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to latch and
not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the additional support
structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more metal required to
make it all work.
Pictures attached.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
601XL QB/ J3300
Midlothian, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator |
Howdy,
I was also concerned with that fragile gascolator hanging below the belly right
behind the nose wheel on the 601XL. I fly the Idaho back country where the majority
of the strips are gravel. I just could envision a rock flying up from the
nose wheel and disabling the gascolator and once rotated -- engine dying due
to fuel starvation. These airports are unforgiving and the mountains grow real
fast -- so you have to place a lot of confidence in your equipment!
Attached (hopefully) are pictures of a fiberglass flaring that I designed. I hope
that this will give you all an idea on how to protect the gascolator.
Mack
601XL/Jab3300 --90% finished with 90% of work still to be done
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Jay
Are you sure that the Dynon unit doesn't supply it? My Grand Rapids EIS had a
wire in bundle that supplied the excitation voltage. On the EIS, the excitation
line just supplies power to some lower voltage accessories like fuel senders
and amperage sensor in my case. I would think the Dynon does the same.
Randy Stout
n282rs@satx.rr.com
www.geocities.com/n282rs
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From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To:zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: 5V Source
Hey all you electronikers:
My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation
circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation
circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either.
Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one?
Jay in Dallas
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Randy,
Thanks. I re-read the manual, and sure enough, the wire I asked about SUPPLIES
5V; it doesn't REQUIRE a 5V source. The manifold sensor (which I don't have
and won't have), carb temp sensor (ditto), trim & flap position pots (ditto),
coolant pressure & temp sensors (ditto) all require this 5V source. So I guess
I could just hold on to the wire and get myself excited.
Thanks again - Jay in Dallas
n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
>Jay
>
>Are you sure that the Dynon unit doesn't supply it? My Grand Rapids EIS had a
wire in bundle that supplied the excitation voltage. On the EIS, the excitation
line just supplies power to some lower voltage accessories like fuel senders
and amperage sensor in my case. I would think the Dynon does the same.
>
>Randy Stout
>n282rs@satx.rr.com
>www.geocities.com/n282rs
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jaybannist@cs.com
>
>Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:52:41
>To:zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 5V Source
>
>
>
>Hey all you electronikers:
>
>My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation
circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation
circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either.
>
>Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one?
>
>Jay in Dallas
>
>
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| Subject: | Re;How about a sliding canopy/ |
Neat idea. Anything that I made would probably turn out leaky and drafty
though. It would solve a nagging concern that I have about having the flip up
canopy depart the aircraft in high winds from the rear. I once tore up a door
while exiting after a line boy parked me with a gusty tail wind. Second, If I
flipped over, it would be tough to break out without some kind of tool handy. All
that said, the type of canopy on Ercoupes, Swifts and P38 lightnings looks
like it may have merit and may be lighter than gull wings.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: How about a sliding canopy? |
This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have seen
yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe
it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before.
Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design?
I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not figured
out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be
very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with the
plane rather than raised as shown.
All ideas are wanted and appreciated.
Thanks, Matt
XLVair
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy?
I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The
airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen,
the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to
latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the
additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more
metal required to make it all work.
Pictures attached.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
601XL QB/ J3300
Midlothian, TX
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| Subject: | Re: How about a sliding canopy? |
do not archive
...just do not forget that the upper fuselage aft of the cockpit is substantially
wider than the forward end of the canopy/instrument panel...
This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have seen
yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe
it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before.
Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design?
I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not figured
out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be
very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with the
plane rather than raised as shown.
All ideas are wanted and appreciated.
Thanks, Matt
XLVair
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy?
I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The
airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen,
the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to
latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the
additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more
metal required to make it all work.
Pictures attached.
Regards,
Bob Tezyk
601XL QB/ J3300
Midlothian, TX
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| Subject: | Sliding canopy on the 601 |
The Ercoupe has curved cockpit sills and the later Alon A-2 version
featured a rearward-sliding bubble canopy. Has anyone checked that
design out for useful ideas? Might be worth a look.
George
601HD with modified side-opening canopy.
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Sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 7:54 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tools
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I've visited their facility a few times.
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| Subject: | Re: How about a sliding canopy? |
I don't see anything wrong with more "hoop's" going from the left side to
the rt. side and abrace tieing them in end to end. I can't stand the shakie,
shake, every time you open or close Joe N101HD 601 XL
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From: "Matt Stecher" <mrcc1234@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy?
>
> This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have
> seen
> yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe
> it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before.
> Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design?
> I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not
> figured
> out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be
> very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with
> the
> plane rather than raised as shown.
> All ideas are wanted and appreciated.
> Thanks, Matt
> XLVair
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy?
>
>
>
> I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The
> airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed
> windscreen,
> the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard
> to
> latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the
> additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more
> metal required to make it all work.
>
> Pictures attached.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Tezyk
> 601XL QB/ J3300
> Midlothian, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122627#122627
>
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| Subject: | ACF-50 Application to a 601 HDS |
Folks,
I decided to buy some ACF-50 corrosion protection for my CH601 HDS,
especially since it's been based in FL for several months now.
Has anyone applied this yet? Seems like it may be necessary to drill
some hole for access to certain areas, but don't want to affect
airframe's structural integrity.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim
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kc0jez here, my Son who moved to Topeka last year is kc0lua, and my
wife is kc0sbc.
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Yes
I to can back up the "Thumbs up" as I have bought stuff off them even from Sydney
Australia.
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