---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/07/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:25 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (David Downey) 2. 06:45 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Bill Naumuk) 3. 07:43 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Randy L. Thwing) 4. 07:55 AM - 5V Source (Jaybannist@cs.com) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (Randy L. Thwing) 6. 08:02 AM - Re: HF TIN bits (David Downey) 7. 08:21 AM - Re: How about a sliding canopy? (BobTezyk) 8. 08:36 AM - Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator (aprazer) 9. 10:55 AM - Re: 5V Source (n282rs@satx.rr.com) 10. 11:21 AM - Re: 5V Source (Jaybannist@cs.com) 11. 02:08 PM - Re;How about a sliding canopy/ (MaxNr@aol.com) 12. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Matt Stecher) 13. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (David Downey) 14. 02:50 PM - Sliding canopy on the 601 (George Swinford) 15. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Tools (browntool@aol.com) 16. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Southern Reflections) 17. 06:12 PM - ACF-50 Application to a 601 HDS (Timothy Croy) 18. 07:49 PM - Re: Ham Radio (Tim Verthein) 19. 09:26 PM - Re: Tools (chris Sinfield) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:06 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits hey Bill; I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale price. I have noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized hole - but they work great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling with #30 drill for rivets. Bill Naumuk wrote: All- I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in my workbench for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work great! $.99 a 10 pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in stock. I walked around with a raincheck in my wallet for months. You ever get the feeling HF is a commie front directed at homebuilders? The latest internet flier offers safety wire pliers, cable cutting pliers, ratcheting terminal crimpers- all the weird stuff no one else on the face of the earth would have a use for! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:49 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits Dave- They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process, because I miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under an ACS bit. For that reason, I haven't used them for finish work, either. I'm just amazed that they cut as well as they do for a dime apiece. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits hey Bill; I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale price. I have noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized hole - but they work great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling with #30 drill for rivets. Bill Naumuk wrote: All- I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in my workbench for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work great! $.99 a 10 pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in stock. I walked around with a raincheck in my wallet for months. Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:05 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits I've tried a a few HF bits and found many of the tin coated that come in sets have a poorly sharpened tip that is not centered causing them to drill oversize. Also have found many that are just not straight. Probably depends on which ChiCom factory produces them. Just drill a test hole first in scrap before proceeding to your valuable parts. Ten cent drills may or may not be a bargain! Regards, Randy Thwing, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:27 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: 5V Source Hey all you electronikers: My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either. Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one? Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:41 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits Tin coating of cutting tools is only couple of ten thousandths thick at the most, if the drills measure undersize, it's because they were ground undersize. Regards, do not archive, Randy, Las Vegas Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits Dave- They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process, because I miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under an ACS bit. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:06 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits I agree on their utility Bill. While they do mike at about the right diameter, when I looked at the tips under high mag they appear to be nonsymmetrical - and that is probably why they walk and drill oversized holes. Again, not a problem if they are not the final hole. do not archive Bill Naumuk wrote: Dave- They probably don't have a lot of control over the TIN process, because I miked the bit before using it and it's a couple of thou under an ACS bit. For that reason, I haven't used them for finish work, either. I'm just amazed that they cut as well as they do for a dime apiece. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: David Downey To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HF TIN bits hey Bill; I also have been using the HF bits quite a bit because of the sale price. I have noticed that they tend to wander and drill an oversized hole - but they work great to predrill for #40 clecos before drilling with #30 drill for rivets. Bill Naumuk wrote: All- I've had two 10 packs of HF TIN A4 drill bits laying around in my workbench for some time. Just tried one for the heck of it. They work great! $.99 a 10 pack on sale, but you'll be lucky to find them in stock. I walked around with a raincheck in my wallet for months. Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? From: "BobTezyk" I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen, the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more metal required to make it all work. Pictures attached. Regards, Bob Tezyk 601XL QB/ J3300 Midlothian, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122627#122627 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image018_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image017_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image002_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image001_178.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator From: "aprazer" Howdy, I was also concerned with that fragile gascolator hanging below the belly right behind the nose wheel on the 601XL. I fly the Idaho back country where the majority of the strips are gravel. I just could envision a rock flying up from the nose wheel and disabling the gascolator and once rotated -- engine dying due to fuel starvation. These airports are unforgiving and the mountains grow real fast -- so you have to place a lot of confidence in your equipment! Attached (hopefully) are pictures of a fiberglass flaring that I designed. I hope that this will give you all an idea on how to protect the gascolator. Mack 601XL/Jab3300 --90% finished with 90% of work still to be done -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122630#122630 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg0027_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg0026_175.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg0025_484.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 5V Source From: n282rs@satx.rr.com Jay Are you sure that the Dynon unit doesn't supply it? My Grand Rapids EIS had a wire in bundle that supplied the excitation voltage. On the EIS, the excitation line just supplies power to some lower voltage accessories like fuel senders and amperage sensor in my case. I would think the Dynon does the same. Randy Stout n282rs@satx.rr.com www.geocities.com/n282rs -----Original Message----- From: Jaybannist@cs.com To:zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: 5V Source Hey all you electronikers: My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either. Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one? Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:39 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 5V Source Randy, Thanks. I re-read the manual, and sure enough, the wire I asked about SUPPLIES 5V; it doesn't REQUIRE a 5V source. The manifold sensor (which I don't have and won't have), carb temp sensor (ditto), trim & flap position pots (ditto), coolant pressure & temp sensors (ditto) all require this 5V source. So I guess I could just hold on to the wire and get myself excited. Thanks again - Jay in Dallas n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote: > >Jay > >Are you sure that the Dynon unit doesn't supply it? My Grand Rapids EIS had a wire in bundle that supplied the excitation voltage. On the EIS, the excitation line just supplies power to some lower voltage accessories like fuel senders and amperage sensor in my case. I would think the Dynon does the same. > >Randy Stout >n282rs@satx.rr.com >www.geocities.com/n282rs > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jaybannist@cs.com > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:52:41 >To:zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 5V Source > > > >Hey all you electronikers: > >My Dynon EMS-D10 instructions tell me to connect a white/red wire to my 5V excitation circuit. Even though I really like excitation, I don't have an excitation circuit in my airplane. I don't have a 5V tap on my battery either. > >Please explain what an excitation circuit is and where do I get one? > >Jay in Dallas > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:55 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ Neat idea. Anything that I made would probably turn out leaky and drafty though. It would solve a nagging concern that I have about having the flip up canopy depart the aircraft in high winds from the rear. I once tore up a door while exiting after a line boy parked me with a gusty tail wind. Second, If I flipped over, it would be tough to break out without some kind of tool handy. All that said, the type of canopy on Ercoupes, Swifts and P38 lightnings looks like it may have merit and may be lighter than gull wings. Do not archive Bob from Pace,FL XL/LYC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:43 PM PST US From: "Matt Stecher" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have seen yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before. Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design? I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not figured out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with the plane rather than raised as shown. All ideas are wanted and appreciated. Thanks, Matt XLVair -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen, the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more metal required to make it all work. Pictures attached. Regards, Bob Tezyk 601XL QB/ J3300 Midlothian, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122627#122627 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image018_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image017_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image002_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image001_178.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:24 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? do not archive ...just do not forget that the upper fuselage aft of the cockpit is substantially wider than the forward end of the canopy/instrument panel... This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have seen yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before. Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design? I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not figured out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with the plane rather than raised as shown. All ideas are wanted and appreciated. Thanks, Matt XLVair -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen, the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more metal required to make it all work. Pictures attached. Regards, Bob Tezyk 601XL QB/ J3300 Midlothian, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122627#122627 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image018_120.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image017_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image002_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image001_178.jpg Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:05 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Sliding canopy on the 601 The Ercoupe has curved cockpit sills and the later Alon A-2 version featured a rearward-sliding bubble canopy. Has anyone checked that design out for useful ideas? Might be worth a look. 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Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:49 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? I don't see anything wrong with more "hoop's" going from the left side to the rt. side and abrace tieing them in end to end. I can't stand the shakie, shake, every time you open or close Joe N101HD 601 XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Stecher" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? > > This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have > seen > yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe > it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before. > Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design? > I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not > figured > out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be > very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with > the > plane rather than raised as shown. > All ideas are wanted and appreciated. > Thanks, Matt > XLVair > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? > > > > I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The > airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed > windscreen, > the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard > to > latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the > additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more > metal required to make it all work. > > Pictures attached. > > Regards, > Bob Tezyk > 601XL QB/ J3300 > Midlothian, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122627#122627 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image018_120.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image017_147.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image002_198.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image001_178.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:44 PM PST US From: "Timothy Croy" Subject: Zenith-List: ACF-50 Application to a 601 HDS Folks, I decided to buy some ACF-50 corrosion protection for my CH601 HDS, especially since it's been based in FL for several months now. Has anyone applied this yet? Seems like it may be necessary to drill some hole for access to certain areas, but don't want to affect airframe's structural integrity. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:01 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ham Radio kc0jez here, my Son who moved to Topeka last year is kc0lua, and my wife is kc0sbc. Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Tools From: "chris Sinfield" Yes I to can back up the "Thumbs up" as I have bought stuff off them even from Sydney Australia. Chris. 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