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1. 04:11 AM - canadian builders inspections (najnielkp)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: canadian builders inspections (MacDonald Doug)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: canadian builders inspections (Ron Lalonde)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: canadian builders inspections (Bill Naumuk)
5. 09:51 AM - Re: canadian builders inspections (Dave G.)
6. 10:04 AM - Control cable (wade jones)
7. 10:20 AM - An fittings (flyingmike9)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: An fittings (Jim Hoak)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: An fittings (flyingmike9)
10. 01:58 PM - Tail Light 701 (Robert Hansen)
11. 02:30 PM - Re: canadian builders inspections (najnielkp)
12. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator (Steve Hulland)
13. 04:12 PM - 601XL solo wing installation Instructable (kkinney)
14. 06:04 PM - Re: 601XL solo wing installation Instructable (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
15. 06:30 PM - Re: 601XL solo wing installation Instructable (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 07:51 PM - Aileron bellcrank countersink (lwinger)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (Gig Giacona)
18. 08:10 PM - Re: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ (Gig Giacona)
19. 09:07 PM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (Jeff Small)
20. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 09:19 PM - Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy (MaxNr@aol.com)
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| Subject: | canadian builders inspections |
hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch building a 601xl.i have a question
about inspections. at what stages of completion did you have inspections
by transport canada ? how much of each section did you close in?
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| Subject: | Re: canadian builders inspections |
Hi there, welcome to the group. I'm building a CH-701
in Northwestern Ontario and planning on going the
Amateur Build route.
First, it is no longer Transport Canada that inspects
AB aircraft in Canada. This has been taken over by
the MD-RA. The first thing that you need to do before
building is go to their website www.md-ra.com and open
a Letter of Intent. This lets them know that you
exist and what you are planning on building. They
charge $58.30 for this service with taxes.
As for how far to build before the pre-cover
inspection, you cannot close any structure that cannot
be internally inspected. That means that you cannot
fully rivet things like your rudder. You must leave
one side loose so that your inspector can look at the
interior of the structure. This issue can be a bit of
a headache but we must play by the rules.
The final inspection will be done at the airport where
you intend on doing your first stage testing. The
aircraft will have to be totally ready to go. Any
snags from the pre-cover must be fixed and documented.
You also have to have at least one hour of ground
running on the engine (I think). Also you have to
have done a fuel flow test. This essentially proves
there will be enough fuel delivered to the engine in
the worst possible situation (usually full climb).
I'm sure that I have glossed over several details but
this will give you an idea of where to start. The
MD-RA website has all of this info.
A couple of additional sources for homebuilt
information in Canada are www.raa.ca and
www.copanational.org. The RAA and COPA have all sorts
of helpful documents on their web site to help guide
you through our Canadian red tape rich rules.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
This one should be in the archives.
--- najnielkp <pkleinjan@execulink.com> wrote:
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> hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch
> building a 601xl.i have a question about
> inspections. at what stages of completion did you
> have inspections by transport canada ? how much of
> each section did you close in?
>
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| Subject: | Re: canadian builders inspections |
Hi Doug
The "intent to build" has gone up in price from 35 dollars just a couple
years ago?
I made an inquiry to the MRDA as to the purpose of this, and what was
covered by this fee. Cant get a straight answer!
This is such an obvious money grab that it sickens me. It is no wonder the
government forced aircraft designers and manufacturers like Chris Heintz to
move to the USA.
If anyone can explain the services provided by the "Intent to Build"
paperwork, I would be happy to find out. The MRDA cant give me a
satisfactory explanation....yet they raised the fee??
The cost of the pre-cover and final inspections are daunting at best. All
expenses of the inspector are paid by the aircraft owner, so if you live in
an out of the way area of Canada be prepared to add hundreds (at least) of
dollars to the cost of your project.
Hate to be such a downer on this subject, but the government "privatized"
this service and is, making it increasingly more expensive for the
homebuilder. What you get, for what you are forced to pay, nowhere equals
the services provided......not even close.
The only saving grace on this issue is that the inspectors/employees of the
MRDA are a good group, knowledgable and helpful. Its too bad the government
makes THEM seem to be the BANDITS.
Ron
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Hi there, welcome to the group. I'm building a CH-701
>in Northwestern Ontario and planning on going the
>Amateur Build route.
>
>First, it is no longer Transport Canada that inspects
>AB aircraft in Canada. This has been taken over by
>the MD-RA. The first thing that you need to do before
>building is go to their website www.md-ra.com and open
>a Letter of Intent. This lets them know that you
>exist and what you are planning on building. They
>charge $58.30 for this service with taxes.
>
>As for how far to build before the pre-cover
>inspection, you cannot close any structure that cannot
>be internally inspected. That means that you cannot
>fully rivet things like your rudder. You must leave
>one side loose so that your inspector can look at the
>interior of the structure. This issue can be a bit of
>a headache but we must play by the rules.
>
>The final inspection will be done at the airport where
>you intend on doing your first stage testing. The
>aircraft will have to be totally ready to go. Any
>snags from the pre-cover must be fixed and documented.
> You also have to have at least one hour of ground
>running on the engine (I think). Also you have to
>have done a fuel flow test. This essentially proves
>there will be enough fuel delivered to the engine in
>the worst possible situation (usually full climb).
>
>I'm sure that I have glossed over several details but
>this will give you an idea of where to start. The
>MD-RA website has all of this info.
>
>A couple of additional sources for homebuilt
>information in Canada are www.raa.ca and
>www.copanational.org. The RAA and COPA have all sorts
>of helpful documents on their web site to help guide
>you through our Canadian red tape rich rules.
>
>Doug MacDonald
>CH-701 Scratch builder
>NW Ontario, Canada
>This one should be in the archives.
>
>
>--- najnielkp <pkleinjan@execulink.com> wrote:
>
> > <pkleinjan@execulink.com>
> >
> > hello all, i am a new member to the list, scratch
> > building a 601xl.i have a question about
> > inspections. at what stages of completion did you
> > have inspections by transport canada ? how much of
> > each section did you close in?
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: canadian builders inspections |
Canadian pals-
When I was at Brampford last month, I couldn't understand why everything
was more expensive than quoted on-line. That's when I found out that on top
of THIS tax and THAT tax, you assessed the OTHER tax.
We're only days behind you. If our state lawmakers haven't decided on
the OTHER tax by midnight tonight half of Pennsylvania will be closed
Monday. Seriously. However, there may be an exemption negotiated to keep the
casinos open.
At least Canadians have (From what the people I spoke to told me) good
national healthcare. Our only alternative in the US is to prove we don't
have a pot to piss in and no marketable skills. Then we can go on welfare
and be taken care of cradle to grave.
"We're all in this together. I'm pulling for you". - Steve Smith, AKA
Red Green. Iconic Canadian who now spends half the year golfing in Florida.
Good building!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
This is such an obvious money grab that it sickens me. It is no wonder
the government forced aircraft designers and manufacturers like Chris Heintz
to move to the USA.
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| Subject: | Re: canadian builders inspections |
This thread may well be one of those slippery slopes. The next comment will
come from an indignant republican decrying our "socialist" values etc. While
I understand and sympathize with those who pay exhorbitant fees, this may
not be the best venue to discuss the differences between our countries.
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Hello group ,I am fitting my control cables .The aileron control horn
hits the upper elevator cable when deflected to the left .Bill Sewell
had this also and revised the cable routing .Do any of you other
builders have this problem or is it a problem.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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hello group
installing my gascolator and fuel pump today will be using Rotax engine
my question is when using AN fittings do you have to use sealant to seal the fittings
i am using collars and nuts with 5/16 alu tube or is the collar what is
needed the 5/16 tube has been flare also
thank you
mike lloyd
601xl fuse 80%
rotax912
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Mike,
Normally there is no sealer used when fitting a flared tube, with the proper
collar, to an AN fitting. If the flare has been properly done ( be carefull
here since auto flaring tools make a different angle than do aircraft
flaring tools ) and there is no damage to the fitting or the end of the tube
these connections are not much of a problem when properly tightened. Be
carefull with alignment also. If it leaks there is usually a mechanical
problem causing it.
On occasion, I've used sealer on the pipe thread end of an AN fitting, but
normally this isn't necessary either. Sometimes, when installing a AN
fitting that is an elbow, and to get it to point the correct way, before
becoming fully tight upon installation, I've used a sealant on the pipe
threads. Don't use plumbers "Ribbon Dope" unless you are very carefull. It
doesn't take much of this to clog up a filter, carb jet or some kind of
orfice. If you do use a sealant on a pipe thread, don't put it near the end
of the fitting for the same reasons stated above.
Hope this little bit of info helps.
do not archive
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "flyingmike9" <mlloyd9@csi.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: An fittings
>
> hello group
> installing my gascolator and fuel pump today will be using Rotax engine
> my question is when using AN fittings do you have to use sealant to seal
> the fittings i am using collars and nuts with 5/16 alu tube or is the
> collar what is needed the 5/16 tube has been flare also
>
> thank you
> mike lloyd
> 601xl fuse 80%
> rotax912
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122738#122738
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excellent
thank you very much i do have the correct flaring tool 37degree type
have uesd fuelube sealant on the threads this helps for the alu to alu fittings
but thank you for you help
mike
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I purchased a tail light from www.kestrobes.com No strobe just two white LEDs 12v. It is a nice light, you can see pics on my website http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/ . This light must be mounted on the top or the bottom of the rudder, on either Rib 1 or the tip Rib. I sent an email to ZAC but have not heard back from them about the structural side of drilling into the rib. Has anyone mounted a tail light or any type of light on the Rudder (top or bottom)? Any recomendations? I will see a 701 in two weeks at Oshkosh and that may help with me understanding the finished area. I also wonder if the light could be mounted on the bottom side of the rear fuselage, but am concerned that I would not meet the required lighting angles. I need to stay with this light because #1- already purchased #2- I want LED lighting 12v. #3- I like the light (bright).
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| Subject: | Re: canadian builders inspections |
hi , thanks for the info. i do have my letter of intent with the MD-RA. it was
applied in the fall of 2005. 1 month ago they just got around to processing it.
after a 1 year hiatus , back to building .
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| Subject: | Re: Moving the Fuel Selector Valve and Gascolator |
Build a tailwheeled airplane - they are more fun to fly anyway, HA!
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| Subject: | 601XL solo wing installation Instructable |
Hi folks, I've cobbled together my first Instructable. It deals with how to install
the 601XL wings by yourself.
http://www.instructables.com/id/E112DI4F3SYP05I/
If you have a heart condition, skip step 4.
If you DON'T have a heart condition, step 4 closely simulates one.
I'd like to see more people publish Instructables. I'd suggest putting "Zenith"
and you planes' model number in the title. For example, "601XL."
I'm feeling psychic. I predict you will spend the next half hour or more exploring
Instructables. They have some really cool stuff out there.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL solo wing installation Instructable |
I do like the instructable and I to work alone but I found that an engine
hoist and two straps allows you to lift the wing to the proper height and also
lets you tilt and angle the wing so it will just slide in.
Jeff
Hi folks, I've cobbled together my first Instructable. It deals with how to
install the 601XL wings by yourself.
http://www.instructables.com/id/E112DI4F3SYP05I/
If you have a heart condition, skip step 4.
If you DON'T have a heart condition, step 4 closely simulates one.
I'd like to see more people publish Instructables. I'd suggest putting
"Zenith" and you planes' model number in the title. For example, "601XL."
I'm feeling psychic. I predict you will spend the next half hour or more
exploring Instructables. They have some really cool stuff out there.
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL solo wing installation Instructable |
Hi Kevin,
Very nice presentation. I also like your homegrown tools for lining
up the wing attach holes.
Too bad you put the gascolators where they made this little task even
more difficult.
Paul
XL Fuselage - almost ready to hang the wings.
At 04:10 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi folks, I've cobbled together my first Instructable. It deals
>with how to install the 601XL wings by yourself.
>
>http://www.instructables.com/id/E112DI4F3SYP05I/
>If you have a heart condition, skip step 4.
>If you DON'T have a heart condition, step 4 closely simulates one.
>
>I'd like to see more people publish Instructables. I'd suggest
>putting "Zenith" and you planes' model number in the title. For
>example, "601XL."
>
>I'm feeling psychic. I predict you will spend the next half hour or
>more exploring Instructables. They have some really cool stuff out there.
>
>Regards,
>Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Aileron bellcrank countersink |
This should be a simple question for you scratch builders. Where did you get the
countersink for 6-W-10-2 (bellcrank spacers)? What model number/part number?
It needs to be able to bevel for an AN426 rivet head in 1/4 aluminum.
I did a test using a countersink I had for woodworking, and at that depth it began
to "chatter" and it made an irregular edge.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wing spars complete
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
This is probably going to upset some folks but, it is my personal feeling that
the 5-hour E-LSA Phase 1 is a huge mistake that will come back to haunt the entire
LSA program. 5 hours is not nearly enough time to test a 601XL or any other
aircraft like it before unrestricted flight.
phd1993 wrote:
> I thought the entire email list might derive some benefit from my answer to the
5- versus 40-hour Phase I question. I registered the airplane as Experimental
Light Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) instead of Experimental Amateur Built (E-AB).
The E-AB registration would have required the 40 hour Phase I flight testing
but would have allowed me to perform annual condition inspections. As E-LSA
I needed to take the special 16-hour FAA approved course to allow me to perform
annual condition inspections ON ANY E-LSA that I currently own or own in the
future.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ |
It isn't going to slide very well upside down.
MaxNr(at)aol.com wrote:
> Second, If I flipped over, it would be tough to break out without some kind
of tool handy. All that said, the type of canopy on Ercoupes, Swifts and P38 lightnings
looks like it may have merit and may be lighter than gull wings.
> Do not archive
> Bob from Pace,FL XL/LYC
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
This is probably going to upset some folks but, it is my personal
feeling that
the 5-hour E-LSA Phase 1 is a huge mistake that will come back to haunt
the entire
LSA program. 5 hours is not nearly enough time to test a 601XL or any
other
aircraft like it before unrestricted flight.
+++ Would say I agree wholeheartedly knowing that many will disagree.
One other point: the a/c that Phil describes is an HDS. Can an older HD
or HDS be registered as an E-LSA as, to my knowledge, Zenith has not
sought approval of the kit in that category?
Bryan M., you have a good command of the whole LSA/SP thing, what is
your take on this?
SWE Area 41 jeff
do not archive
phd1993 wrote:
> I thought the entire email list might derive some benefit from my
answer to the
5- versus 40-hour Phase I question. I registered the airplane as
Experimental
Light Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) instead of Experimental Amateur Built
(E-AB).
The E-AB registration would have required the 40 hour Phase I flight
testing
but would have allowed me to perform annual condition inspections. As
E-LSA
I needed to take the special 16-hour FAA approved course to allow me to
perform
annual condition inspections ON ANY E-LSA that I currently own or own in
the
future.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
Hi Gig,
Please keep in mind that the 5 hour test minimum is just that -- a
minimum. It is up to the builder to make sure he does sufficient
testing even in the face of freedom from government restriction.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 08:04 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>This is probably going to upset some folks but, it is my personal
>feeling that the 5-hour E-LSA Phase 1 is a huge mistake that will
>come back to haunt the entire LSA program. 5 hours is not nearly
>enough time to test a 601XL or any other aircraft like it before
>unrestricted flight.
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| Subject: | Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy |
The upside down scenario is enough reason to reject a slider. I still like
the P38 type, but I will make the stock flip top model anyway.
do not archive
bob
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