---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/10/07: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink (lwinger) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ () 3. 06:51 AM - 601XL with Rotax 912S (alex_01) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink (Maarten Versteeg) 5. 07:22 AM - Re: 601XL with Rotax 912S (Jonathan Starke) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: 601XL with Rotax 912S (NYTerminat@aol.com) 7. 07:35 AM - ELSA registration (Robert Schoenberger) 8. 07:52 AM - Re: OSH (Gig Giacona) 9. 08:12 AM - Canopy Problem (Joe) 10. 08:49 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Robin Bellach) 11. 08:52 AM - Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink (David Downey) 12. 08:54 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Carlos Sa) 13. 09:20 AM - Re: Canopy Problem () 14. 10:11 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Robin Bellach) 15. 10:41 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Paul Mulwitz) 16. 10:42 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 17. 10:43 AM - Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. (Paul Mulwitz) 18. 10:47 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (Charles Wacker) 19. 10:52 AM - Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink (lwinger) 20. 11:40 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (LarryMcFarland) 21. 11:55 AM - Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy (MaxNr@aol.com) 22. 01:08 PM - Re: Canopy Problem () 23. 01:52 PM - Firesleeve (ruruny@aol.com) 24. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Dan Lykowski) 25. 03:18 PM - Canopy Block (robert stone) 26. 03:45 PM - Loctite 620 (Bill Naumuk) 27. 03:45 PM - Re: Canopy Block (Craig Payne) 28. 04:03 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (wade jones) 29. 04:26 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (Kevin L. Rupert) 30. 04:31 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (R.P.) 31. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Matt Stecher) 32. 05:01 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 33. 05:12 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (Gerald Scampoli) 34. 05:21 PM - Re: Canopy Block (Bryan Martin) 35. 05:45 PM - Re: Loctite 620 (Jerry Hey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink From: "lwinger" Thanks for all the responses. Once again, the list comes through! Do not archive. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL/Corvair from scratch Control surfaces and wing spars complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123010#123010 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:44 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ It looks good, but you still have to deal with the horizontal taper of the fuselage, not to mention giving up the magnificant 360 degree vis ibility. But it does look good.=0A=0APaul Rodriguez=0A601XL/C orvair=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Kevin L. Rupe rt =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:18 PM =0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re;How about a sliding canopy/ =0A=0A=0A Paul,=0A I've been toying with the idea of ma king a fastback and then installing =0A a slider. Initial calculat ions seem to indicate it would need minimal =0A modifications to t he turtledeck bulkheads and some more skin.=0A Just putting pencil to paper right now.=0A =0A Kevin R.=0A =0A 601XL/Corvair=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL with Rotax 912S From: "alex_01" I am about to build a louvre for the water radiator air inlet to control better the water temp. and before i try to reinvent the wheel maybe anyone has allready done something along this .... so would be great to hear from anyone thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123034#123034 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:08 AM PST US From: Maarten Versteeg Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron bellcrank countersink Hello, But these countersinks are made in the 1/4 in thick aluminum, I made them using a sharp woodworking countersunk in the drill press and they came out fine. I managed to control the "chatter" by picking a slow speed and controlling the pressure. I don't think a microstop is needed in this material, the proper depth can easily be measured and there is no danger of drilling too deep. regards, Maarten, 601XL plans building wings > Time: 03:40:30 AM PST US > From: David Downey > > any standard aircraft (100) csk will do. That having been said - I would only consider > countersinking using a microstop and the appropriate piloted bits. > > This should be a simple question for you scratch builders. Where did you get the > countersink for 6-W-10-2 (bellcrank spacers)? What model number/part number? > It needs to be able to bevel for an AN426 rivet head in 1/4 aluminum. > > I did a test using a countersink I had for woodworking, and at that depth it began > to "chatter" and it made an irregular edge. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:13 AM PST US From: "Jonathan Starke" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL with Rotax 912S I would rather make a louvre for the Oil radiator, as in my experience it takes forever to get to 50 degree C oil temp before take off, whereas the water temp comes up quickly, well certainly on my 912S Jonathan > >I am about to build a louvre for the water radiator air inlet >to control better the water temp. >and before i try to reinvent the wheel maybe anyone has >allready done something along this .... >so would be great to hear from anyone > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:54 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL with Rotax 912S Use an oil thermostat and your temps will come up quickly. I believe Van's has a louver for their plane, maybe you could use that. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ 912S/ 114hrs In a message dated 7/10/2007 10:23:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jonathan@entry.co.za writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" I would rather make a louvre for the Oil radiator, as in my experience it takes forever to get to 50 degree C oil temp before take off, whereas the water temp comes up quickly, well certainly on my 912S Jonathan > >I am about to build a louvre for the water radiator air inlet >to control better the water temp. >and before i try to reinvent the wheel maybe anyone has >allready done something along this .... >so would be great to hear from anyone > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:08 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: ELSA registration List . . . thanks to all who responded about registering the 701 as ELSA. I have the information I need. You have been very helpful. Robert Schoenberger 701 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH From: "Gig Giacona" Dan, were you at the Rocky Mountain RFI? DO NOT ARCHIVE engineerguy3737(at)yahoo. wrote: > I'll be there working in the Dynon Booth. > > Dan Lykowski > Dynon Avionics > > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123046#123046 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:51 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem Guys, I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy another canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise about where I can get the best deal on one of these. I have another builder coming over this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:48 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem I have the same problem, cracked it before getting around to starting installation. Obviously they are far more fragile than I suspected. I left mine rolled for a long time and then unrolled it to avoid it taking a "set". This was a mistake, because it is far more flexible than I would have thought and does not seem to take a set at all. Anyway, on the advise of others previously, I'm currently planning to order one from TODD'S. http://www.toddscanopies.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem > > Guys, > > I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far > before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy another > canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise about where I > can get the best deal on one of these. I have another builder coming over > this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? > > Joe in Oshkosh > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:32 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron bellcrank countersink there is a MAJOR issue here: the included angle of the "wood working" csk and the AN426/MS20426 are not at all compatible. This is the worst condition in a driven flush head rivet of all the possible error conditions. The rim of the rivet head is seated but the head to shank region is gapped - and awful (and blind to inspect until after failure) condition structurally. Hello, But these countersinks are made in the 1/4 in thick aluminum, I made them using a sharp woodworking countersunk in the drill press and they came out fine. I managed to control the "chatter" by picking a slow speed and controlling the pressure. I don't think a microstop is needed in this material, the proper depth can easily be measured and there is no danger of drilling too deep. regards, Maarten, 601XL plans building wings > Time: 03:40:30 AM PST US > From: David Downey > > any standard aircraft (100) csk will do. That having been said - I would only consider > countersinking using a microstop and the appropriate piloted bits. > > This should be a simple question for you scratch builders. Where did you get the > countersink for 6-W-10-2 (bellcrank spacers)? What model number/part number? > It needs to be able to bevel for an AN426 rivet head in 1/4 aluminum. > > I did a test using a countersink I had for woodworking, and at that depth it began > to "chatter" and it made an irregular edge. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:59 AM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem Todd's canopies has been mentioned by a number of people... http://www.toddscanopies.com/ Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 10/07/07, Joe wrote: > > > Guys, > > I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far > before > I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy another > canopy. > Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise about where I can get > the best deal on one of these. I have another builder coming over this > afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? > > Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:48 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem No advice here, just a related question. Since I experienced a few small, short cracks that I had to stop drill and backfill, I am doubtful of how long my plexiglass canopy will go before I have to replace it. Does Todd's Canopies offer a Lexan canopy for the 601XL? Lexan is a lot easier to work with in my limited experience and is much more resistant to cracking and scratching. If Zenith had offered it as an option, I would have gone that route from the beginning. Dred ---- Carlos Sa wrote: > Todd's canopies has been mentioned by a number of people... > http://www.toddscanopies.com/ > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:36 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem I just talked to Todd. He said his conopies are much thicker and stronger. 60XL canopy is $340 + freight (estimated to Arkansas at $140), and weighs about 2-1/2 pounds more than the ZAC canopy. He can make one and have it on the way in a couple of days. Anyone know the current ZAC canopy price? ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem Todd's canopies has been mentioned by a number of people... http://www.toddscanopies.com/ Carlos CH601-HD, plans On 10/07/07, Joe wrote: Guys, I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy another canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise about where I can get the best deal on one of these. I have another builder coming over this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:21 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem Hi Ed, I agree with you that Lexan (polycarbonate) plastic would be easier to form into a canopy than Plexiglas (acrylic). Unfortunately, Lexan scratches very easily. For use in optical situations like this, it is common practice to "Hard Coat" polycarbonate with polyurethane. This is a process I have not found available for small runs like our canopies. Without it, the canopy would quickly become unusable since you won't be able to see through all the scratches. Paul XL fuselage At 09:19 AM 7/10/2007, you wrote: >No advice here, just a related question. Since I experienced a few >small, short cracks that I had to stop drill and backfill, I am >doubtful of how long my plexiglass canopy will go before I have to >replace it. Does Todd's Canopies offer a Lexan canopy for the 601XL? >Lexan is a lot easier to work with in my limited experience and is >much more resistant to cracking and scratching. If Zenith had >offered it as an option, I would have gone that route from the beginning. > >Dred ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:50 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem When mine FELL from the straps dry rotting I replaced it and zeniths price was 600 and change.... OUCH!!! Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:49 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Zenith-List: Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. Apparently Aircraft Spruce has a new policy for shipping orders via USPS. In this case (by far the least expensive method of shipping small orders) they now take two business days to process the order instead of one. They prepare it on the first day and get it to the post office on the second day. This is a big reduction in service, in my experience, since they used to process and ship USPS orders in the same day up to now. Perhaps they don't have any competition? Paul XL fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:57 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem I just bought one from Zenith, $525.00 plus shipping. Chuck Wacker 601XL Quick Build >From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> >To: >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:06:31 -0500 > >I just talked to Todd. He said his conopies are much thicker and stronger. >60XL canopy is $340 + freight (estimated to Arkansas at $140), and weighs >about 2-1/2 pounds more than the ZAC canopy. He can make one and have it on >the way in a couple of days. Anyone know the current ZAC canopy price? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlos Sa > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem > > > Todd's canopies has been mentioned by a number of people... > http://www.toddscanopies.com/ > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans > > > On 10/07/07, Joe wrote: > > Guys, > > I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far >before > I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy another >canopy. > Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise about where I can >get > the best deal on one of these. I have another builder coming over this > afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? > > Joe in Oshkosh > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron bellcrank countersink From: "lwinger" For the record, Brown Tool came to the rescue again. I just ordered the #21 pilot 100 degree countersink (CC021) for $4.95 and the standard cage microstop (CC01-USA) for $21.95. John was very helpful, and I expect to be doing more business with them in the future. Thanks again to the list for solid advice. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL/Corvair from scratch Control surfaces and wing spars complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123077#123077 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:54 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem Hi Joe, The cracked canopy may be used as a template for trimming and spotting holes and edges could it not? Might for this reason be best to use a canopy from Zenith again. You'd probably want to ask what grade of acrylic plastic they're using as well or if they've gone to a more durable material recently. Plastics keep changing and you may have the opportunity to improve the available product. Cost would be the lesser of concerns at this point I think. During the process, Remember to use small diameter hose segments around the screws when they go thru the plastic and manually break all hole edges both sides with a relatively new countersink. Don't over-tighten, etc. Study the crack to determine what caused it before starting over. Hope you have better luck next round. I remember sweating bullets when I did mine. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Joe wrote: > > Guys, > > I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far > before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy > another canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise > about where I can get the best deal on one of these. I have another > builder coming over this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? > > Joe in Oshkosh > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:08 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy Do not archive Last thoughts on canopies: Safety is paramount. A slider is convenient and cool, but may leak and be drafty. The "flip top" and side hinge have their drawbacks in high wind. I will confess to some formal training at Arizona State (Sun Devil U) way back in the last century. I was a military pilot then and Uncle Sam wanted me to be involved with R&D. The focus was on aircraft crash survival issues. Some notes on the 601XL: There is NO roll over protection such as a reinforced windshield bow or 4130 structure behind the seats. This adds weight but would be desirable for several reasons. Protects your head bone and allows shoulder restraints to properly lead UP and aft to an anchor. Not off your shoulders and down like some designs. (RV8.) That design guaranties two broken collar bones in a crash. You still need a fire ax or break out tool (screwdriver) to bust out. The rudder survives some roll overs although not designed for that. The BD5 swing up/back type shares the same draw backs. It was also used on a production twin, The WING Derringer now hq'ed in Mobile, AL. Years ago, watched some nerd in a Schweitzer 1-26 (side hinge canopy) land down wind and go over on his back. There was no post crash fire. We group of rubberneckers pushed it back upright and he could then open the canopy. It weighs about 350lbs empty. No damage. None. Well, some paint. The best way to leave an A/C in a hurry is through a side door or hatch. One on each side would be great. (Ercoupe, Swift, Cessna) Just some thoughts. DO NOT ARCHIVE Bob XL/Lyc ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem When I built my ultralight, the kit came with a sheet of Lexan which I bent over the frame and trimmed to fit. That windshield is still in very decent condition despite residing in a dusty hanagr infested with birds which build nests 24/7 all summer long. The few scratches that have happened over the last four years have been where my gps and the corners of the panel rub on the inside surface. I think they might be remedied with the micro mesh technique but since they aren't in the critical field of view, I haven't bothered. I don't think my sheet of Lexan had any special treatment so maybe it would be such a bad deal after all. Ed ---- Paul Mulwitz wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > I agree with you that Lexan (polycarbonate) plastic would be easier > to form into a canopy than Plexiglas (acrylic). Unfortunately, Lexan > scratches very easily. For use in optical situations like this, it > is common practice to "Hard Coat" polycarbonate with > polyurethane. This is a process I have not found available for small > runs like our canopies. Without it, the canopy would quickly become > unusable since you won't be able to see through all the scratches. > > Paul > XL fuselage ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Firesleeve From: ruruny@aol.com Hey guys, I was putting firesleeve on my fuel lines in the engine compartment and was searching google for an easier way to do it. I was struggling with a 1 1/2 foot length to get it on the hose and was wondering how the hell I was going to get it on the 3 foot piece from the gascolator to the fuel pump on my rotax. I found this tip on the RV list and figured I'd pass it on to you guys when you're there one day. ......old mechanic showed me how to install firesleeve with compressed air. ? I was working at the Cessna service hanger in Wichita back in the late 70's. ? ? I was a young A&P at the time and had been struggling with the firesleeve on ? an oil hose for at least 15 minutes. ? This guy comes over to me and say's "let me show you a trick". I said ? "please". ? ? He takes a air hose with a blow nozzle, sticks it up in one end of the fire ? sleeve and tells me to put the other end on the oil hose. ? He tells me to get it started and then put my hand around it and squeeze to ? trap the air inside. By controlling the amount of air you let out, the ? firesleeve expands and the extra air escaping makes the firesleeve slide on ? like a hockey puck on an air table. I was amazed and remember it like it was ? yesterday. ? ? Hope this helps someone. ? ? Mark Burns?? I have to say this works great! I also found that if you use a 16 gauge piece of wire and a barbed coupler(has barbs on both sides to connect 2 pieces of hose) Tie a knot in one end of the 16 gauge wire and run it thru the barbed coupler, put the coupler on the hose with the knot going in first, run the wire thru the firesleeve and pull the hose thru the firesleeve, its alot easier to pull it thru than push it! I used a little extra? fuel hose and just cut the coupler off. I would like to put some high temp RTV on the ends of the fire sleeve, for dirt oil getting into the soft inside. Will it have any bad effects on the goodyear rubber hose from Zenith? I know recently that Rotax replaced some preinstalled hoses on some engines that had them(mine didn't) for somthing related to this. Checked the archives but did not find any archived messages related to this, although it was mentioned recently. The firesleeve is installed already so the RTV seems the best choice right now. Thanks for all the great help. Brian Unruh Long Island http://www.701builder.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:36 PM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Gig, No, that wasn't me. It was most likely Mike or Ron. The last event I attended was the Cloverdale fly in with my wife. They only send us engineers go to the big shows. :) Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:51:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Dan, were you at the Rocky Mountain RFI? DO NOT ARCHIVE engineerguy3737(at)yahoo. wrote: > I'll be there working in the Dynon Booth. > > Dan Lykowski > Dynon Avionics > > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123046#123046 Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:42 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Block Members, Those of you who live in the south as I do are well aware of the extremes of heat we experience during the summer months and when taxiing or doing your power-on pre-flight the heat becomes unbearable. The block you see in the picture I have enclosed is an item I dreamed up to keep the heat down during all ground operations in my ZodiacXL. Even with one of the Koger sun shades the cockpit gets very hot on the ground. Tracy Stone ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 All- Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts together? No luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't carry it either. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:51 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canopy Block Is there some kind of hold-down for the canopy in case of a tail wind? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:15 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Hi Bill ,I cant help you with the 620 .I have built several aircraft engines and I use Loctite 515 .It is approved for use on aircraft engines and has served me well .It may be more available than the 620 .Just a thought. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 All- Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts together? No luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't carry it either. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:13 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Bill, I got mine at Midway USA. $17.49 plus SH for 10 ml. > http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=171860 Kevin R. 601XL/Corvair Lewistown, PA ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:08 PM PST US From: "R.P." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 All- Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that carries the Loctite 620 Geeze... All this whining about bandits and shipping charges, you'd think this was a crybaby forum instead of a place to talk about airplanes ;) I bought some Loctite 620 from a local bearing supply house. There's probably one near you Bill. But it ain't cheap... them theives all want to make an obscene profit so they can drive their Rolls Royces back home to their mansions. tongue in cheek, Rick ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:34 PM PST US From: "Matt Stecher" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? It would seem fairly simple to design a sliding canopy that would raise up a few inches at the front and then slide to the rear. >From my own design work I know that the devil is always in the details and I have not thought this completely through, but I think I will give this allot of thought. I have awhile before I get to that stage, so I have some time and will keep my eyes open for other sliding designs. Take care, Matt XLVair -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Downey Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:38 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? do not archive ...just do not forget that the upper fuselage aft of the cockpit is substantially wider than the forward end of the canopy/instrument panel... Matt Stecher wrote: This is the first built version of what I am thinking about that I have seen yet. A three point support is the only way to go here I think. I believe it would also prevent the jamming that was mentioned before. Does anyone have any plans for this sort of design? I was thinking about a recessed rear attachment point, but I had not figured out how to keep water out of the fuselage yet. The external one would be very easy to build and I could work up a design that keeps it flush with the plane rather than raised as shown. All ideas are wanted and appreciated. Thanks, Matt XLVair -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BobTezyk Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:18 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? I was considering purchasing one that was for sale in Vancouver, WA. The airplane was very well built. While I liked the idea of a fixed windscreen, the canopy itself was a little fragile. The latching mechanism was hard to latch and not foolproof. The biggest reason I walked away was that the additional support structure added a lot of weight. There was a lot more metal required to make it all work. Pictures attached. Regards, Bob Tezyk 601XL QB/ J3300 Midlothian, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:42 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:54 PM PST US From: "Gerald Scampoli" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 McMaster-Carr carries Loctite 620. Gerry Scampoli Hingham, MA 601XL - Corvair >From: "Bill Naumuk" >All- > Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 >oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that >carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts together? No >luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't carry it either. >Bill Naumuk >HDS Fuse/Corvair >Townville, Pa _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:12 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Block I bought a piece of steel strap from the local Ace hardware store. It was about 3/16" thick and an inch wide and had holes in it at regular intervals. I enlarged a hole at one end to fit over the latch pin on my canopy rail. I bought a replacement latch pin from the "Help" display at a local auto parts store and installed this pin in the other end of my steel strap. Now when I want to prop open the canopy of my Zodiac while taxing, I stick the latch pin on the end of my steel strap into the canopy latch and slip the hole on the other end over the latch pin on the canopy rail. I think I paid less than ten dollars for the parts and the assembly only weighs a few ounces and takes up very little space. Works like a charm. robert stone wrote: > Members, > Those of you who live in the south as I do are well aware of the > extremes of heat we experience during the summer months and when taxiing > or doing your power-on pre-flight the heat becomes unbearable. The > block you see in the picture I have enclosed is an item I dreamed up to > keep the heat down during all ground operations in my ZodiacXL. Even > with one of the Koger sun shades the cockpit gets very hot on the ground. > >-- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:20 PM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 I would think any industrial supply would have the complete Loctite line. Likewise, check with a bearing supply. The ones I go to carry Loctite. Jerry On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:00 PM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: > Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also > for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog. > > John Read > Phone: 303-648-3261 > Fax: 303-648-3262 > > do not archive > > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.