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1. 01:33 AM - Re: 701 engine weight (jetboy)
2. 03:16 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (David Downey)
3. 03:18 AM - Re: Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy (David Downey)
4. 03:22 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (David Downey)
5. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (John Bolding)
6. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (Ken Arnold)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (Mitch Hodges)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (NYTerminat@AOL.COM)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (Al Hays)
10. 07:40 AM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk)
11. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: OSH (lgingell)
13. 11:55 AM - Re: OSH (PatrickW)
14. 12:15 PM - Fw: Re: Contact us inquiry: info (Jeff Davidson)
15. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Craig Payne)
16. 12:38 PM - Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Craig Payne)
17. 12:55 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Bill Naumuk)
18. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Jim Hoak)
19. 01:04 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Craig Payne)
20. 01:13 PM - Re: OSH (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
21. 01:30 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Dave G.)
22. 01:35 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk)
23. 01:45 PM - new Open Hangar Day date (Jeff Small)
24. 01:58 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Randy L. Thwing)
25. 02:32 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (David Downey)
26. 02:33 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (David Downey)
27. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin)
28. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin)
29. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: OSH (David Brooks)
30. 03:30 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! ()
31. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Carlos Sa)
32. 04:41 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Dan)
33. 04:48 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (JohnDRead@aol.com)
34. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: OSH (JohnDRead@aol.com)
35. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Jeff)
36. 05:08 PM - ACS USPS Shipping (Jeff)
37. 05:22 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk)
38. 05:22 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk)
39. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (bob)
40. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (bob)
41. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Tim Shankland)
42. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
43. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: OSH (ALAN BEYER)
44. 10:41 PM - Re: 701 engine weight (jetboy)
45. 11:39 PM - NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! (Ken Yoskowitz)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Its listed in my plans as 'powerplant installed weight' and I feel that would mean
to include all coolant / oil, accessories. fuel pumps, propellor and engine
mount system.
I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt (including
unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes noticably different
when operating close to full gross.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Problem |
...since these are thin wall free blown bubbles, it is unlikely that it would nest
well. perhaps cutting all of it away except for the peripheral 6" band would
allow it to be a template of reasonable accuracy?
Hi Joe,
The cracked canopy may be used as a template for trimming and spotting
holes and edges could it not?
Might for this reason be best to use a canopy from Zenith again. You'd
probably want to ask what grade of acrylic
plastic they're using as well or if they've gone to a more durable
material recently. Plastics keep changing and you
may have the opportunity to improve the available product. Cost would
be the lesser of concerns at this point I think.
During the process,
Remember to use small diameter hose segments around the screws when they
go thru the plastic and manually break
all hole edges both sides with a relatively new countersink. Don't
over-tighten, etc. Study the crack to determine what
caused it before starting over. Hope you have better luck next round.
I remember sweating bullets when I did mine.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Joe wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far
> before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy
> another canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise
> about where I can get the best deal on one of these. I have another
> builder coming over this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise?
>
> Joe in Oshkosh
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy |
one of the issues address with my misguided??? attempt to implement a RV9 canopy
on the XL was exactly that - to allow the aircraft that inverted in a low energy
situation to rest on the engine case and the substantial built up roll bar
structure that the Van's uses. Unfortunately, the mounting for the roll structure
is not sound in the XL as it was never intended to carry any of those loads.
Just another example of a "minor adaptation" that becomes a big deal when
making a change to a well designed plane.
MaxNr@aol.com wrote: Do not archive
Last thoughts on canopies: Safety is paramount. A slider is convenient and cool,
but may leak and be drafty. The "flip top" and side hinge have their drawbacks
in high wind. I will confess to some formal training at Arizona State (Sun
Devil U) way back in the last century. I was a military pilot then and Uncle
Sam wanted me to be involved with R&D. The focus was on aircraft crash survival
issues. Some notes on the 601XL: There is NO roll over protection such as a
reinforced windshield bow or 4130 structure behind the seats. This adds weight
but would be desirable for several reasons. Protects your head bone and allows
shoulder restraints to properly lead UP and aft to an anchor. Not off your shoulders
and down like some designs. (RV8.) That design guaranties two broken
collar bones in a crash. You still need a fire ax or break out tool (screwdriver)
to bust out. The rudder survives some roll overs although not designed for
that. The BD5 swing up/back type shares the same
draw backs. It was also used on a production twin, The WING Derringer now hq'ed
in Mobile, AL. Years ago, watched some nerd in a Schweitzer 1-26 (side hinge
canopy) land down wind and go over on his back. There was no post crash fire.
We group of rubberneckers pushed it back upright and he could then open the canopy.
It weighs about 350lbs empty. No damage. None. Well, some paint. The best
way to leave an A/C in a hurry is through a side door or hatch. One on each
side would be great. (Ercoupe, Swift, Cessna) Just some thoughts.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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try ebay
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: All-
Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 oz
bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that carries the
Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts together? No luck with Advance,
Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't carry it either.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
Dave Downey
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John
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I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt
(including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling
becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Listers,
I am building a 701 and was hopeful that EW would be close to Zenith's
estimate. With 1100# GW, an EW of less than 600# is good target.
What EWs have others achieved?
Regards,
Ken Arnold
CH701 912ULS 80%
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Bolding
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight
Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John
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I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt
(including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling
becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross.
Ralph
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Jerry, if there is a Grainger near you, I know they carry it, at least locally
in Atlanta.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/branchSearchRender.shtml
Mitch Hodges
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Wings Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
I thought mine was loaded and heavy at 703 lbs. Bob
In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:00:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jnbolding1@teleshare.net writes:
Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John
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I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt
(including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes
noticably different when operating close to full gross.
Ralph
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Bill,
Try the nearest Fastenal store. Loctite 620 is listed as an item they
carry from less than $2 to around $150 depending on package size. They
should be able to get it on a regular stock order if not on hand and
avoid outrageous shipping fees.
Al Hays
701 kit in box/Corvair
601 wings & tail/Corvair
Gore, Va
On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship
> a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store
> that carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts
> together? No luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't
> carry it either.
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
All-
The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer
from one lister, but you will, eventually.
There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets. The
first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away in
Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I
WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5
bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock.
I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm on
vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle.
Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and
handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the
tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20!
If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn
signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to
find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the
transaction?
Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite
the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer pay for
what is a normal cost of doing business.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620
Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also
for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
I would be interested in knowing the empty weight and equipment list of
several of the 701s flying also. I have mine on the gear and I am about ready
to install the wings. I might want to rethink my panel and other stuff as I am
just starting on the systems. Anyone else have any input?
Richard Clagg
701 plans built
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I'll be there. Probably all week, and at the dinner too.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com
Zodiac XL/Jab 3000 flying, 201hours
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I'll be there, right after Brodhead.
Packing a tent - will be there all week.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Re: Contact us inquiry: info |
When asked about "Apparently Aircraft Spruce has a new policy for shipping orders
via USPS. In this case (by far the least expensive method of shipping small
orders) they now take two business days to process the order instead of one.
They prepare it on the first day and get it to the post office on the second
day. This is a big reduction in service, in my experience, since they used to
process and ship USPS orders in the same day up to now."
Aircraft Spruce replied:
>
>"Jeff,
>I apologize for any confusion on shipping USPS. This is usually the least
>expensive way of shipping, but we have always taken our mail orders to the
>post office in the morning. No new policies have been implimented. All USPS
>orders are taken to the post office the day after they are invoiced, and
>there are no guaranteed delivery times with USPS. UPS, FED EX, and DHL have
>trucks that come several times in the evening to pick up their packages, but
>we have to deliver mail orders to the post office with our truck. We have
>vendor orders to pick up in L.A., Orange, and Riverside counties, and is
>most efficient to have a regular morning delivery to the post office. We are
>doing our best to get your parts to you as soon as possible, but if you have
>a rush order, please select UPS, FED EX or DHL as your forwarder. Please
>contact me if you have any other questions or concerns.
>
>Regards,
>Josh Solis"
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Who is taking their Zenith to OSH?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air |
First flight was on June 28th. They plan to have the plane as OSH.
www.rans.com/first%20flightS19.htm
This is a little off-topic but it does have a sliding canopy ;-)
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air |
Looks vaguely familiar.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air
>
> First flight was on June 28th. They plan to have the plane as OSH.
>
> www.rans.com/first%20flightS19.htm
>
> This is a little off-topic but it does have a sliding canopy ;-)
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
>
>
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List,
I can't figure how to tow my Travel Trailer with my 601HD. Since I'm there
for a week and a half, ( work some as a volunteer ) I like the creature
comforts.
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Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: OSH
>
> Who is taking their Zenith to OSH?
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air |
> Looks vaguely familiar.
They copied the RV-12 :-)
-- Craig
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I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring
it up again.
I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have
examples of their product parked together in close proximity to their display.
I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible to see
anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a row....or at
least close together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're spread all over
the place. There's one here...and another one a mile away over there...never
close together. Would it be possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to
allow Zenith builders to park their planes somewhat close to each
other.....possibly even close to the Zenith display?
I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to
fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be able
to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short distance of
each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to search and
walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders have flown in to
AirVenture.
Dave
N618PZ
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Bill, when I moved to Nova Scotia 30'ish years ago it seemed that all
the stores were simply order points and actually had no stock. Usually
by the time you had something in your hands it was yours with no
possibility of returning it at all. Things got much better but now with
every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit" it's going back
that way. I've come to be grateful when I can get something at all, I'm
way past worrying about how much they hose me to send it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
All-
The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer
from one lister, but you will, eventually.
There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets. The
first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away in
Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I
WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5
bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock.
I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm
on vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle.
Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and
handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the
tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20!
If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn
signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to
find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the
transaction?
Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite
the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer pay for
what is a normal cost of doing business.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620
Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also
for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
I can relate. My condolences!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
Bill, when I moved to Nova Scotia 30'ish years ago it seemed that all
the stores were simply order points and actually had no stock. Usually
by the time you had something in your hands it was yours with no
possibility of returning it at all. Things got much better but now with
every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit" it's going back
that way. I've come to be grateful when I can get something at all, I'm
way past worrying about how much they hose me to send it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
All-
The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete
answer from one lister, but you will, eventually.
There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets.
The first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away
in Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I
WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5
bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock.
I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm
on vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle.
Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and
handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the
tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20!
If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn
signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to
find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the
transaction?
Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge
Loctite the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer
pay for what is a normal cost of doing business.
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HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620
Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check
also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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| Subject: | new Open Hangar Day date |
My Missouri contact tells me the ZAC Open Hangar Day has been
rescheduled to September 29, 2007.
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007.html<http://www.zenithair.com/news/o
h2007.html>
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Does your State or Province have "inventory" taxes. You know, where
taxes go up if you try to keep a good inventory? One of our best
customers is in Taxxachusetts where they apparently have big inventory
taxes. Their orders to our plant die around November and stay dead
through inventory time at the end of the year, then explode the first
week in January as they try to make up for lost time. I assume the
State tax policy causes this.
Regards & do not archive,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas
From: Dave G.
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
with every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit"
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| Subject: | Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air |
except that (assuming that they are legal and meet the LSA reqs) they actually
did it right! Look at the test ing rigs and the seat installations. The canopy
installation. The stabilator with anti servo...
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Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> Looks vaguely familiar.
They copied the RV-12 :-)
-- Craig
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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| Subject: | Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air |
...and, OH YEAH! A conventional wing design! with upright spar webs!
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Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> Looks vaguely familiar.
They copied the RV-12 :-)
-- Craig
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I'm planning on flying mine there. I'll probably park it in the auto
engine section, right in front of the Homebuilt Headquarters.
Craig Payne wrote:
>
> Who is taking their Zenith to OSH?
>
> -- Craig
--
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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Two years ago we had six 601s parked together near the north end of the
homebuilt area. My first night, I parked in homebuilt camping but moved
it over with the others the next day and moved my camp to vintage
camping with a bunch of members of my home chapter. I don't think this
601 grouping was planned in advance, they all just got there early and
spotted other 601s and found space nearby.
VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to
> have examples of their product parked together in close proximity to
> their display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been
> possible to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all
> parked in a row....or at least close together. But when I try to find
> Zeniths, they're spread all over the place. There's one here...and
> another one a mile away over there...never close together. Would it be
> possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to
> park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close
> to the Zenith display?
>
> I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it
> to fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to
> be able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a
> short distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is,
> I have to search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes
> that builders have flown in to AirVenture.
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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I am pretty sure that some of the RANS owners are arranging to park their
planes across from the RANS booth this year. They have been organizing it
via the RANSFlyers Yahoo group. I am not sure what the current count of
planes is, but they should have a few.
I have been a member of the RANSFlyers group for a while now and you won't
meet a nicer or more helpful group of folks. Spin by and say hi if you get
a chance. (I, unfortunately, will not be there.)
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Bill, now that your blood pressure has gone down some, let me 'splain
something. Loctite is chemical stuff. By virtue of the wisdom of the f
eds, chemical stuff may or may not be shipped as benign stuff, or haza
rdous stuff, treated similarly to bichloro-trichloro-polynasty, If som
ebody with more authority than sense designates Loctite as hazardous,
unfriendly, or even yucky, they can make the shipper (and the buyer) j
ump through all sorts of hoops. And their justification is (deep bre
ath, now) "Because I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
Loctite ain't the only stuff treated like radioactive doo-doo. Try b
uying a little half-ounce squeeze tube of the brightly colored paint y
ou use to put a dab on nuts and cables to telltale if they slip.=0A
=0APaul Rodriguez=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A ----- Original Message
----- =0A From: Bill Naumuk<mailto:naumuk@alltel.net> =0A To:
zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A S
ent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:38 AM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
Loctite 620- Found!=0A=0A=0A All-=0A The list pulls
through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer from one lister, b
ut you will, eventually.=0A There are two stages to the Loctit
e website re: local outlets. The first stage said the closest FULL LIN
E retailer was 100 miles away in Ohio. The second stage said the close
st retailer who STOCKED WHAT I WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive awa
y. I called them, and they have 5 bottles each of all the differing si
zes of 620 in stock. =0A I can make the round trip for less th
an $5 in gas, and since I'm on vacation, who cares about the time? It'
s a matter of principle.=0A Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLIN
G CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mi
ll from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was
nearly $20! =0A If you walked into an auto parts store and sa
id "I need a turn signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if the
y charged you $10 to find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a
bag, and ring up the transaction?=0A Like I said, it's a matt
er of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite the cost of their product, b
ut I do MCS for making the customer pay for what is a normal cost of d
oing business.=0A do not arch
ive =0A Bill Naumuk=0A HDS Fuse/Corvair=0A Townville, Pa
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ailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 200
7 8:00 PM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620=0A=0A
=0A Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Che
ck also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog.=0A=0A Joh
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Jim, I believe you need a 701 to do that...
Carlos
CH601-HD, no hitch installed.
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On 11/07/07, Jim Hoak <planejim@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> List,
>
> I can't figure how to tow my Travel Trailer with my 601HD. Since I'm there
> for a week and a half, ( work some as a volunteer ) I like the creature
> comforts.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jim Hoak
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
paulrod36@msn.com wrote:
> Bill, now that your blood pressure has gone down some, let me 'splain
> something. Loctite is chemical stuff. By virtue of the wisdom of the
> feds, chemical stuff may or may not be shipped as benign stuff, or
> hazardous stuff, treated similarly to bichloro-trichloro-polynasty, If
> somebody with more authority than sense designates Loctite as
> hazardous, unfriendly, or even yucky, they can make the shipper (and
> the buyer) jump through all sorts of hoops. And their justification
> is (deep breath, now) "Because I'm from the government, and I'm here
> to help you." Loctite ain't the only stuff treated like radioactive
> doo-doo. Try buying a little half-ounce squeeze tube of the brightly
> colored paint you use to put a dab on nuts and cables to telltale if
> they slip.
>
> P
If you can use Loctite 271 instead, I found it at Orchards for $7.00.
This was for a very small tube.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Glad to have helped.
John
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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Have you tried emailing EAA and requesting a Zenith row as I am sure the
other types do.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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Dave,
I have noticed and complained about the same thing at both
Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun. Sonex may have an advantage by being a tenant on the
airport at OSH. Anyway, my response has been to organize the Zenith
Gathering to accomplish having a place to hangar fly with fellow enthusiasts
physically near our planes. We will be able to park our planes near the
Zenith tent in Winchester this September.
Jeff Davidson
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
VideoFlyer@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH
I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring
it up again.
I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have
examples of their product parked together in close proximity to their
display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible
to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a
row....or at least close together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're
spread all over the place. There's one here...and another one a mile away
over there...never close together. Would it be possible to request the
folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to park their planes somewhat
close to each other.....possibly even close to the Zenith display?
I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to
fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be
able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short
distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to
search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders
have flown in to AirVenture.
Dave
N618PZ
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | ACS USPS Shipping |
When asked about:
"Apparently Aircraft Spruce has a new policy for shipping orders via USPS.
In this case (by far the least expensive method of shipping small orders)
they now take two business days to process the order instead of one. They
prepare it on the first day and get it to the post office on the second day.
This is a big reduction in service, in my experience, since they used to
process and ship USPS orders in the same day up to now."
Aircraft Spruce replied:
"I apologize for any confusion on shipping USPS. This is usually the least
expensive way of shipping, but we have always taken our mail orders to the
post office in the morning. No new policies have been implimented. All USPS
orders are taken to the post office the day after they are invoiced, and
there are no guaranteed delivery times with USPS. UPS, FED EX, and DHL have
trucks that come several times in the evening to pick up their packages, but
we have to deliver mail orders to the post office with our truck. We have
vendor orders to pick up in L.A., Orange, and Riverside counties, and is
most efficient to have a regular morning delivery to the post office. We are
doing our best to get your parts to you as soon as possible, but if you have
a rush order, please select UPS, FED EX or DHL as your forwarder. Please
contact me if you have any other questions or concerns.
Regards,
Josh Solis"
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Paul-
I didn't know a tool that's essentially a fancy drill bit was a
biohazard. I don't have to calm down- I already made my decision not to
do business with MCS, which is why I asked for and received help from
listers who actually read their compadres posts without preexisting
bias. Thanks, JDR.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa.
Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and
handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the
tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20!
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
For sure. See latest- can't believe a simple question could bring such a
reponse.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
Glad to have helped.
John
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Hi,
I just completed my CH701SP this month. Inspection by FAA will take
place next Monday. But back to your question, my 701 weighs in at 596
lbs empty. It has a nice panel and is painted. The CG is good with full
fuel (20 gal.) and two 180 lb. people but can only carry about 18 lbs of
baggage without going over gross weight. My aircraft was constructed
from a full up Zenith kit with the Rotax 912ULS and WarpDrive prop.
Bob Kissell
Beavercreek, Ohio N701UB
----- Original Message -----
From: RClaggf4u@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight
I would be interested in knowing the empty weight and equipment list
of several of the 701s flying also. I have mine on the gear and I am
about ready to install the wings. I might want to rethink my panel and
other stuff as I am just starting on the systems. Anyone else have any
input?
Richard Clagg
701 plans built
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Hey Ralph,
If your 701 is really at 880 lbs empty then you only have 1100 -880 -> 220
lbs for you and fuel by my figuring. Thats not much to work with. I am
interested in what has added so much weight. The Zenith empty weight per the
drawing is about 580 lbs. with a Rotax engine. What powerplant and prop do
you have on your bird?
regards,
Bob N701UB CH701SP
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight
>
> Its listed in my plans as 'powerplant installed weight' and I feel that
> would mean to include all coolant / oil, accessories. fuel pumps,
> propellor and engine mount system.
>
> I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt
> (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling
> becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123193#123193
>
>
>
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I'm planning on flying my 601HD (N706TS) there. It will be parked in
the auto engine area. Planned arrival is Wednesday.
Tim Shankland
Craig Payne wrote:
>
>Who is taking their Zenith to OSH?
>
>-- Craig
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Bob,
Thanks for the reply, I like the sound of that weight better. Planning on a
nice panel myself with electric flaps etc. Does anyone know the difference
between the earlier two notch flap settings and the current single setup on the
701? Is there a structural change in the flaperon control or just elimination
of the second notch for sport pilot reasons? Any help is greatly
appreciated. I emailed Zenith but have not heard back and its been a couple of
weeks.
See everyone at OSH?
Richard Clagg
Milton Wv. Ona Airpark, 12V
701 plans building
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I live in Oshkosh and have a hanger on the East side of the field. I have a 601
HDS and had it on the flight line the last two years. When I taxi to the other
side of the field with a sign "HBP" they put me in line with the other Zenith
planes to the East of the Zenith booth and just to the South of the Sonex
parked planes.
See You At Airventure,
AL from Oshkosh
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From: "VideoFlyer@aol.com" <VideoFlyer@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:12:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH
I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring it
up again.
I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have examples
of their product parked together in close proximity to their display. I think
this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible to see anywhere
from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a row....or at least close
together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're spread all over the place.
There's one here...and another one a mile away over there...never close together.
Would it be possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith
builders to park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close
to the Zenith display?
I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to fellow
builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be able to look
at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short distance of each
other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to search and walk for
miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders have flown in to AirVenture.
Dave
N618PZ
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Apologies all, I read the empty weigt wrongly it was 267.5 KG which is around 590
lbs. - much more like it
Ralph
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| Subject: | NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! |
OK, Everybody raise their scratched/bloody fingers and arms who is
looking for a tool that will cut a tie wrap flush. Buy a Xuron brand,
"shears", #'s 410A, 410T, 420T, or 2175. Cost $10-$15. I have several
and they cut leaving no plastic burr. They are beautiful tools and made
in the USA. Google Xuron for suppliers. Good Luck, Ken
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