---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/11/07: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:33 AM - Re: 701 engine weight (jetboy) 2. 03:16 AM - Re: Canopy Problem (David Downey) 3. 03:18 AM - Re: Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy (David Downey) 4. 03:22 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (David Downey) 5. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (John Bolding) 6. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (Ken Arnold) 7. 06:28 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (Mitch Hodges) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (NYTerminat@AOL.COM) 9. 07:39 AM - Re: Loctite 620 (Al Hays) 10. 07:40 AM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk) 11. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com) 12. 11:18 AM - Re: OSH (lgingell) 13. 11:55 AM - Re: OSH (PatrickW) 14. 12:15 PM - Fw: Re: Contact us inquiry: info (Jeff Davidson) 15. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Craig Payne) 16. 12:38 PM - Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Craig Payne) 17. 12:55 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Bill Naumuk) 18. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Jim Hoak) 19. 01:04 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (Craig Payne) 20. 01:13 PM - Re: OSH (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 21. 01:30 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Dave G.) 22. 01:35 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk) 23. 01:45 PM - new Open Hangar Day date (Jeff Small) 24. 01:58 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Randy L. Thwing) 25. 02:32 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (David Downey) 26. 02:33 PM - Re: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air (David Downey) 27. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin) 28. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin) 29. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: OSH (David Brooks) 30. 03:30 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! () 31. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Carlos Sa) 32. 04:41 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Dan) 33. 04:48 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (JohnDRead@aol.com) 34. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: OSH (JohnDRead@aol.com) 35. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Jeff) 36. 05:08 PM - ACS USPS Shipping (Jeff) 37. 05:22 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk) 38. 05:22 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk) 39. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (bob) 40. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (bob) 41. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Tim Shankland) 42. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com) 43. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: OSH (ALAN BEYER) 44. 10:41 PM - Re: 701 engine weight (jetboy) 45. 11:39 PM - NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! (Ken Yoskowitz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight From: "jetboy" Its listed in my plans as 'powerplant installed weight' and I feel that would mean to include all coolant / oil, accessories. fuel pumps, propellor and engine mount system. I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123193#123193 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:14 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Problem ...since these are thin wall free blown bubbles, it is unlikely that it would nest well. perhaps cutting all of it away except for the peripheral 6" band would allow it to be a template of reasonable accuracy? Hi Joe, The cracked canopy may be used as a template for trimming and spotting holes and edges could it not? Might for this reason be best to use a canopy from Zenith again. You'd probably want to ask what grade of acrylic plastic they're using as well or if they've gone to a more durable material recently. Plastics keep changing and you may have the opportunity to improve the available product. Cost would be the lesser of concerns at this point I think. During the process, Remember to use small diameter hose segments around the screws when they go thru the plastic and manually break all hole edges both sides with a relatively new countersink. Don't over-tighten, etc. Study the crack to determine what caused it before starting over. Hope you have better luck next round. I remember sweating bullets when I did mine. Good luck, Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Joe wrote: > > Guys, > > I have a big problem! My canopy developed a crack and spread too far > before I could drill a stop hole. It looks like I will have to buy > another canopy. Before I call Zenith, I thought I would seek advise > about where I can get the best deal on one of these. I have another > builder coming over this afternoon to look ovr the situation! Any advise? > > Joe in Oshkosh > Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:49 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Re:Re:How about a sliding canopy one of the issues address with my misguided??? attempt to implement a RV9 canopy on the XL was exactly that - to allow the aircraft that inverted in a low energy situation to rest on the engine case and the substantial built up roll bar structure that the Van's uses. Unfortunately, the mounting for the roll structure is not sound in the XL as it was never intended to carry any of those loads. Just another example of a "minor adaptation" that becomes a big deal when making a change to a well designed plane. MaxNr@aol.com wrote: Do not archive Last thoughts on canopies: Safety is paramount. A slider is convenient and cool, but may leak and be drafty. The "flip top" and side hinge have their drawbacks in high wind. I will confess to some formal training at Arizona State (Sun Devil U) way back in the last century. I was a military pilot then and Uncle Sam wanted me to be involved with R&D. The focus was on aircraft crash survival issues. Some notes on the 601XL: There is NO roll over protection such as a reinforced windshield bow or 4130 structure behind the seats. This adds weight but would be desirable for several reasons. Protects your head bone and allows shoulder restraints to properly lead UP and aft to an anchor. Not off your shoulders and down like some designs. (RV8.) That design guaranties two broken collar bones in a crash. You still need a fire ax or break out tool (screwdriver) to bust out. The rudder survives some roll overs although not designed for that. The BD5 swing up/back type shares the same draw backs. It was also used on a production twin, The WING Derringer now hq'ed in Mobile, AL. Years ago, watched some nerd in a Schweitzer 1-26 (side hinge canopy) land down wind and go over on his back. There was no post crash fire. We group of rubberneckers pushed it back upright and he could then open the canopy. It weighs about 350lbs empty. No damage. None. Well, some paint. The best way to leave an A/C in a hurry is through a side door or hatch. One on each side would be great. (Ercoupe, Swift, Cessna) Just some thoughts. DO NOT ARCHIVE Bob XL/Lyc ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:25 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 try ebay Bill Naumuk wrote: All- Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store that carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts together? No luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't carry it either. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:28 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John do not archive I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross. Ralph ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:13 AM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Listers, I am building a 701 and was hopeful that EW would be close to Zenith's estimate. With 1100# GW, an EW of less than 600# is good target. What EWs have others achieved? Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 912ULS 80% do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: John Bolding To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John do not archive I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross. Ralph ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loctite 620 From: "Mitch Hodges" Jerry, if there is a Grainger near you, I know they carry it, at least locally in Atlanta. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/branchSearchRender.shtml Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123223#123223 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:27 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight I thought mine was loaded and heavy at 703 lbs. Bob In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:00:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jnbolding1@teleshare.net writes: Ralph, is 880# a misprint?? 660# maybe? John do not archive I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross. Ralph ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:27 AM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Bill, Try the nearest Fastenal store. Loctite 620 is listed as an item they carry from less than $2 to around $150 depending on package size. They should be able to get it on a regular stock order if not on hand and avoid outrageous shipping fees. Al Hays 701 kit in box/Corvair 601 wings & tail/Corvair Gore, Va On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship > a 1 oz bottle, does anyone know of a national auto or hardware store > that carries the Loctite 620 recommended for putting Corvair parts > together? No luck with Advance, Auto Zone, or NAPA. Clark's doesn't > carry it either. > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:59 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! All- The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer from one lister, but you will, eventually. There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets. The first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away in Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5 bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock. I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm on vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle. Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the transaction? Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer pay for what is a normal cost of doing business. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:04 AM PST US From: RClaggf4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight I would be interested in knowing the empty weight and equipment list of several of the 701s flying also. I have mine on the gear and I am about ready to install the wings. I might want to rethink my panel and other stuff as I am just starting on the systems. Anyone else have any input? Richard Clagg 701 plans built do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH From: "lgingell" I'll be there. Probably all week, and at the dinner too. ..lance http://lancegingell.com Zodiac XL/Jab 3000 flying, 201hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123264#123264 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH From: "PatrickW" I'll be there, right after Brodhead. Packing a tent - will be there all week. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123268#123268 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:31 PM PST US From: Jeff Davidson Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Re: Contact us inquiry: info When asked about "Apparently Aircraft Spruce has a new policy for shipping orders via USPS. In this case (by far the least expensive method of shipping small orders) they now take two business days to process the order instead of one. They prepare it on the first day and get it to the post office on the second day. This is a big reduction in service, in my experience, since they used to process and ship USPS orders in the same day up to now." Aircraft Spruce replied: > >"Jeff, >I apologize for any confusion on shipping USPS. This is usually the least >expensive way of shipping, but we have always taken our mail orders to the >post office in the morning. No new policies have been implimented. All USPS >orders are taken to the post office the day after they are invoiced, and >there are no guaranteed delivery times with USPS. UPS, FED EX, and DHL have >trucks that come several times in the evening to pick up their packages, but >we have to deliver mail orders to the post office with our truck. We have >vendor orders to pick up in L.A., Orange, and Riverside counties, and is >most efficient to have a regular morning delivery to the post office. We are >doing our best to get your parts to you as soon as possible, but if you have >a rush order, please select UPS, FED EX or DHL as your forwarder. Please >contact me if you have any other questions or concerns. > >Regards, >Josh Solis" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Who is taking their Zenith to OSH? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air First flight was on June 28th. They plan to have the plane as OSH. www.rans.com/first%20flightS19.htm This is a little off-topic but it does have a sliding canopy ;-) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air Looks vaguely familiar. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air > > First flight was on June 28th. They plan to have the plane as OSH. > > www.rans.com/first%20flightS19.htm > > This is a little off-topic but it does have a sliding canopy ;-) > > -- Craig > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:20 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH List, I can't figure how to tow my Travel Trailer with my 601HD. Since I'm there for a week and a half, ( work some as a volunteer ) I like the creature comforts. do not archive Jim Hoak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: OSH > > Who is taking their Zenith to OSH? > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:15 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air > Looks vaguely familiar. They copied the RV-12 :-) -- Craig Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:54 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring it up again. I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have examples of their product parked together in close proximity to their display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a row....or at least close together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're spread all over the place. There's one here...and another one a mile away over there...never close together. Would it be possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close to the Zenith display? I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders have flown in to AirVenture. Dave N618PZ 601XL/Corvair ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:53 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Bill, when I moved to Nova Scotia 30'ish years ago it seemed that all the stores were simply order points and actually had no stock. Usually by the time you had something in your hands it was yours with no possibility of returning it at all. Things got much better but now with every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit" it's going back that way. I've come to be grateful when I can get something at all, I'm way past worrying about how much they hose me to send it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! All- The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer from one lister, but you will, eventually. There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets. The first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away in Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5 bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock. I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm on vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle. Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the transaction? Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer pay for what is a normal cost of doing business. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's free at AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:55 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! I can relate. My condolences! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Bill, when I moved to Nova Scotia 30'ish years ago it seemed that all the stores were simply order points and actually had no stock. Usually by the time you had something in your hands it was yours with no possibility of returning it at all. Things got much better but now with every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit" it's going back that way. I've come to be grateful when I can get something at all, I'm way past worrying about how much they hose me to send it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! All- The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer from one lister, but you will, eventually. There are two stages to the Loctite website re: local outlets. The first stage said the closest FULL LINE retailer was 100 miles away in Ohio. The second stage said the closest retailer who STOCKED WHAT I WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive away. I called them, and they have 5 bottles each of all the differing sizes of 620 in stock. I can make the round trip for less than $5 in gas, and since I'm on vacation, who cares about the time? It's a matter of principle. Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! If you walked into an auto parts store and said "I need a turn signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if they charged you $10 to find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the transaction? Like I said, it's a matter of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite the cost of their product, but I do MCS for making the customer pay for what is a normal cost of doing business. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620 Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Check also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:09 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: new Open Hangar Day date My Missouri contact tells me the ZAC Open Hangar Day has been rescheduled to September 29, 2007. http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007.html do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:06 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Does your State or Province have "inventory" taxes. You know, where taxes go up if you try to keep a good inventory? One of our best customers is in Taxxachusetts where they apparently have big inventory taxes. Their orders to our plant die around November and stay dead through inventory time at the end of the year, then explode the first week in January as they try to make up for lost time. I assume the State tax policy causes this. Regards & do not archive, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas From: Dave G. Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! with every place trying to "cut costs" read "maximize profit" ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:00 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air except that (assuming that they are legal and meet the LSA reqs) they actually did it right! Look at the test ing rigs and the seat installations. The canopy installation. The stabilator with anti servo... do not archive Craig Payne wrote: > Looks vaguely familiar. They copied the RV-12 :-) -- Craig Do not archive. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:58 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rans S-19 prototype takes to the air ...and, OH YEAH! A conventional wing design! with upright spar webs! do not archive Craig Payne wrote: > Looks vaguely familiar. They copied the RV-12 :-) -- Craig Do not archive. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:29 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I'm planning on flying mine there. I'll probably park it in the auto engine section, right in front of the Homebuilt Headquarters. Craig Payne wrote: > > Who is taking their Zenith to OSH? > > -- Craig -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:04 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Two years ago we had six 601s parked together near the north end of the homebuilt area. My first night, I parked in homebuilt camping but moved it over with the others the next day and moved my camp to vintage camping with a bunch of members of my home chapter. I don't think this 601 grouping was planned in advance, they all just got there early and spotted other 601s and found space nearby. VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: > > I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to > have examples of their product parked together in close proximity to > their display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been > possible to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all > parked in a row....or at least close together. But when I try to find > Zeniths, they're spread all over the place. There's one here...and > another one a mile away over there...never close together. Would it be > possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to > park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close > to the Zenith display? > > I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it > to fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to > be able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a > short distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, > I have to search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes > that builders have flown in to AirVenture. -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:10 PM PST US From: "David Brooks" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I am pretty sure that some of the RANS owners are arranging to park their planes across from the RANS booth this year. They have been organizing it via the RANSFlyers Yahoo group. I am not sure what the current count of planes is, but they should have a few. I have been a member of the RANSFlyers group for a while now and you won't meet a nicer or more helpful group of folks. Spin by and say hi if you get a chance. (I, unfortunately, will not be there.) Dave ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:04 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Bill, now that your blood pressure has gone down some, let me 'splain something. Loctite is chemical stuff. By virtue of the wisdom of the f eds, chemical stuff may or may not be shipped as benign stuff, or haza rdous stuff, treated similarly to bichloro-trichloro-polynasty, If som ebody with more authority than sense designates Loctite as hazardous, unfriendly, or even yucky, they can make the shipper (and the buyer) j ump through all sorts of hoops. And their justification is (deep bre ath, now) "Because I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you." Loctite ain't the only stuff treated like radioactive doo-doo. Try b uying a little half-ounce squeeze tube of the brightly colored paint y ou use to put a dab on nuts and cables to telltale if they slip.=0A =0APaul Rodriguez=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Bill Naumuk =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A S ent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:38 AM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!=0A=0A=0A All-=0A The list pulls through again. Rarely do you get a complete answer from one lister, b ut you will, eventually.=0A There are two stages to the Loctit e website re: local outlets. The first stage said the closest FULL LIN E retailer was 100 miles away in Ohio. The second stage said the close st retailer who STOCKED WHAT I WANTED was less than 1/2 hour drive awa y. I called them, and they have 5 bottles each of all the differing si zes of 620 in stock. =0A I can make the round trip for less th an $5 in gas, and since I'm on vacation, who cares about the time? It' s a matter of principle.=0A Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLIN G CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mi ll from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! =0A If you walked into an auto parts store and sa id "I need a turn signal bulb", wouldn't you be a little miffed if the y charged you $10 to find the bulb on their shelves, put the bulb in a bag, and ring up the transaction?=0A Like I said, it's a matt er of principle. I don't begrudge Loctite the cost of their product, b ut I do MCS for making the customer pay for what is a normal cost of d oing business.=0A do not arch ive =0A Bill Naumuk=0A HDS Fuse/Corvair=0A Townville, Pa =0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: JohnDRead@aol.c om =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 200 7 8:00 PM=0A Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620=0A=0A =0A Did you try the Loctite site for retailers in your area. Che ck also for equivalent p/ns in the Loctite catalog.=0A=0A Joh n Read=0A Phone: 303-648-3261=0A Fax: 303-648-3262=0A =0A do not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A---------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ =0A See what's free at AOL.com. =0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com ======================= ======================= nics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Jim, I believe you need a 701 to do that... Carlos CH601-HD, no hitch installed. do not archive On 11/07/07, Jim Hoak wrote: > > > List, > > I can't figure how to tow my Travel Trailer with my 601HD. Since I'm there > for a week and a half, ( work some as a volunteer ) I like the creature > comforts. > > do not archive > > Jim Hoak ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:01 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! paulrod36@msn.com wrote: > Bill, now that your blood pressure has gone down some, let me 'splain > something. Loctite is chemical stuff. By virtue of the wisdom of the > feds, chemical stuff may or may not be shipped as benign stuff, or > hazardous stuff, treated similarly to bichloro-trichloro-polynasty, If > somebody with more authority than sense designates Loctite as > hazardous, unfriendly, or even yucky, they can make the shipper (and > the buyer) jump through all sorts of hoops. And their justification > is (deep breath, now) "Because I'm from the government, and I'm here > to help you." Loctite ain't the only stuff treated like radioactive > doo-doo. Try buying a little half-ounce squeeze tube of the brightly > colored paint you use to put a dab on nuts and cables to telltale if > they slip. > > P If you can use Loctite 271 instead, I found it at Orchards for $7.00. This was for a very small tube. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:53 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Glad to have helped. John Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:33 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Have you tried emailing EAA and requesting a Zenith row as I am sure the other types do. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:23 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: OSH Do not archive Dave, I have noticed and complained about the same thing at both Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun. Sonex may have an advantage by being a tenant on the airport at OSH. Anyway, my response has been to organize the Zenith Gathering to accomplish having a place to hangar fly with fellow enthusiasts physically near our planes. We will be able to park our planes near the Zenith tent in Winchester this September. Jeff Davidson _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VideoFlyer@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring it up again. I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have examples of their product parked together in close proximity to their display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a row....or at least close together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're spread all over the place. There's one here...and another one a mile away over there...never close together. Would it be possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close to the Zenith display? I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders have flown in to AirVenture. Dave N618PZ 601XL/Corvair _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:58 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping When asked about: "Apparently Aircraft Spruce has a new policy for shipping orders via USPS. In this case (by far the least expensive method of shipping small orders) they now take two business days to process the order instead of one. They prepare it on the first day and get it to the post office on the second day. This is a big reduction in service, in my experience, since they used to process and ship USPS orders in the same day up to now." Aircraft Spruce replied: "I apologize for any confusion on shipping USPS. This is usually the least expensive way of shipping, but we have always taken our mail orders to the post office in the morning. No new policies have been implimented. All USPS orders are taken to the post office the day after they are invoiced, and there are no guaranteed delivery times with USPS. UPS, FED EX, and DHL have trucks that come several times in the evening to pick up their packages, but we have to deliver mail orders to the post office with our truck. We have vendor orders to pick up in L.A., Orange, and Riverside counties, and is most efficient to have a regular morning delivery to the post office. We are doing our best to get your parts to you as soon as possible, but if you have a rush order, please select UPS, FED EX or DHL as your forwarder. Please contact me if you have any other questions or concerns. Regards, Josh Solis" ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:26 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Paul- I didn't know a tool that's essentially a fancy drill bit was a biohazard. I don't have to calm down- I already made my decision not to do business with MCS, which is why I asked for and received help from listers who actually read their compadres posts without preexisting bias. Thanks, JDR. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa. Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:50 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! For sure. See latest- can't believe a simple question could bring such a reponse. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnDRead@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Glad to have helped. John Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:36 PM PST US From: "bob" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Hi, I just completed my CH701SP this month. Inspection by FAA will take place next Monday. But back to your question, my 701 weighs in at 596 lbs empty. It has a nice panel and is painted. The CG is good with full fuel (20 gal.) and two 180 lb. people but can only carry about 18 lbs of baggage without going over gross weight. My aircraft was constructed from a full up Zenith kit with the Rotax 912ULS and WarpDrive prop. Bob Kissell Beavercreek, Ohio N701UB ----- Original Message ----- From: RClaggf4u@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight I would be interested in knowing the empty weight and equipment list of several of the 701s flying also. I have mine on the gear and I am about ready to install the wings. I might want to rethink my panel and other stuff as I am just starting on the systems. Anyone else have any input? Richard Clagg 701 plans built do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:43 PM PST US From: "bob" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Hey Ralph, If your 701 is really at 880 lbs empty then you only have 1100 -880 -> 220 lbs for you and fuel by my figuring. Thats not much to work with. I am interested in what has added so much weight. The Zenith empty weight per the drawing is about 580 lbs. with a Rotax engine. What powerplant and prop do you have on your bird? regards, Bob N701UB CH701SP ----- Original Message ----- From: "jetboy" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight > > Its listed in my plans as 'powerplant installed weight' and I feel that > would mean to include all coolant / oil, accessories. fuel pumps, > propellor and engine mount system. > > I feel the limit is at an appropriate level, I have 880 lbs empty wt > (including unuseable fuel and radio / transponder) and the handling > becomes noticably different when operating close to full gross. > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph - CH701 / 2200a > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123193#123193 > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:41 PM PST US From: Tim Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I'm planning on flying my 601HD (N706TS) there. It will be parked in the auto engine area. Planned arrival is Wednesday. Tim Shankland Craig Payne wrote: > >Who is taking their Zenith to OSH? > >-- Craig > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:55 PM PST US From: RClaggf4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Bob, Thanks for the reply, I like the sound of that weight better. Planning on a nice panel myself with electric flaps etc. Does anyone know the difference between the earlier two notch flap settings and the current single setup on the 701? Is there a structural change in the flaperon control or just elimination of the second notch for sport pilot reasons? Any help is greatly appreciated. I emailed Zenith but have not heard back and its been a couple of weeks. See everyone at OSH? Richard Clagg Milton Wv. Ona Airpark, 12V 701 plans building ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:23 PM PST US From: ALAN BEYER Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I live in Oshkosh and have a hanger on the East side of the field. I have a 601 HDS and had it on the flight line the last two years. When I taxi to the other side of the field with a sign "HBP" they put me in line with the other Zenith planes to the East of the Zenith booth and just to the South of the Sonex parked planes. See You At Airventure, AL from Oshkosh ----- Original Message ---- From: "VideoFlyer@aol.com" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:12:53 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I've mentioned this before at the Zenith dinner atr Oshkosh, but I'll bring it up again. I've noticed that some aircraft kit manufacturers (Sonex) arrange to have examples of their product parked together in close proximity to their display. I think this is a great idea. In years past, it's been possible to see anywhere from 6-12 flying examples of Sonex's....all parked in a row....or at least close together. But when I try to find Zeniths, they're spread all over the place. There's one here...and another one a mile away over there...never close together. Would it be possible to request the folks at Oshkosh to allow Zenith builders to park their planes somewhat close to each other.....possibly even close to the Zenith display? I hope to fly my 601XL to Oshkosh next year. I would love to show it to fellow builders and potential builders. I think it would be great to be able to look at a dozen 601s.....and 701s....all parked within a short distance of each other....even a hundred yards apart. As it is, I have to search and walk for miles, literally, to see Zenith planes that builders have flown in to AirVenture. Dave N618PZ 601XL/Corvair See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight From: "jetboy" Apologies all, I read the empty weigt wrongly it was 267.5 KG which is around 590 lbs. - much more like it Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123359#123359 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:47 PM PST US From: "Ken Yoskowitz" Subject: Zenith-List: NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! OK, Everybody raise their scratched/bloody fingers and arms who is looking for a tool that will cut a tie wrap flush. Buy a Xuron brand, "shears", #'s 410A, 410T, 420T, or 2175. Cost $10-$15. I have several and they cut leaving no plastic burr. They are beautiful tools and made in the USA. Google Xuron for suppliers. 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