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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:21 AM - NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! (Noel Loveys)
4. 09:51 AM - Corvair engines (Greg Kendall)
5. 10:01 AM - Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Greg Kendall)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Greg Kendall)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Randy L. Thwing)
8. 10:41 AM - Re: Corvair engines (Gerald Scampoli)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach)
10. 11:07 AM - Russian Airshow 2007 (Keith Ashcraft)
11. 12:10 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Gig Giacona)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! ()
13. 12:16 PM - Re: Corvair engines (LarryMcFarland)
14. 12:43 PM - Re: Corvair engines ()
15. 12:44 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Randy L. Thwing)
16. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach)
17. 01:06 PM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Bill Naumuk)
18. 01:17 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk)
19. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin)
20. 02:12 PM - Re: Corvair engines (quikdraw@mtco.com)
21. 02:13 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Craig Payne)
22. 03:25 PM - Re: Corvair engines (jonaburns)
23. 03:44 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Gary Boothe)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
25. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach)
26. 05:10 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach)
27. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach)
28. 05:40 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Brandon Tucker)
29. 07:30 PM - Canope Link (ALAN BEYER)
30. 07:48 PM - Re: Canope Link (Craig Payne)
31. 08:08 PM - Re: Canope Link (Paul Riedlinger)
32. 09:12 PM - Re: Canope Link (Skip Perry)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engine weight |
Whew, I was worried about that!
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| Subject: | Re: ACS USPS Shipping |
All-
Just wanted to set things straight so a company that basically has our
interests at heart wasn't maligned by accident.
In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse, not
ACS.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! |
That, or learn how to use Coraseal... Sand paper on the ends also works
Noel Loveys
> From: "Ken Yoskowitz" <ken85uc@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS!
>
> OK, Everybody raise their scratched/bloody fingers and arms who is
> looking for a tool that will cut a tie wrap flush. Buy a
> Xuron brand,
> "shears", #'s 410A, 410T, 420T, or 2175. Cost $10-$15. I
> have several
> and they cut leaving no plastic burr. They are beautiful
> tools and made
> in the USA. Google Xuron for suppliers. Good Luck, Ken
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I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to decide
on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to others.
Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the 60's.
A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If wynne
is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for him to recommend
nitriding? am I missing something here?
I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. seems
to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's lawyer told
them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer but the only
engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne grubbs so is that
his real name and then william wynne is his company name?
venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything other than
it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real address that
matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its registered agents.
Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear.
Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it really
just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to know I'm
dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response from him.
before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know.
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| Subject: | Re: How about a sliding canopy? |
I asked the question of venturay and got a picture of one of their test plane with
it on they say is flying. can;t find the attachmnet now so maybe contact
them.
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
most john deere dealers carry it
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| Subject: | Re: ACS USPS Shipping |
A request for claification Bill:
Who is the bad guy here? Is it "MCS" or "MSC", you've cleared "ACS".
Please advise.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
> Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship
> Bill Naumuk
>
> In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse,
not
> ACS.
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
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Greg,
I think that you will find that WW is not an engineer, but is an A&P with
DEEP roots in the homebuilding movement and a genuine caring for his
customers. He does the best job for every one of his customers that he
possibly can, but for some that doesn't seem to be enough. His business is
not very big and has few employees; every one of his customers believes that
the order he just placed should be the most important thing on William's
to-do list.
A lot of the Corvair engine people are 'rolling their own' with most, if not
all of WW's conversion parts. I would suggest that you purchase the
conversion manual and read his thoughts on risk management and safety. The
manual is much more than a 'tab A into slot B' instruction book, it may even
change the way you think on a lot of aviation subjects.
To the best of my knowledge, Chevy did not nitride ALL Corvair cranks, only
the turbo engines were done.
Venturay is a 'johnny-come-lately' in the Corvair movement, that's not a bad
thing, but many of us have a deep respect for the pioneering work and
research that William Wynne has done and hate to see him deprived of the
rightful fruits of his labors by someone who didn't bother to do the
research and development work.
I have been to a Corvair College at WW's hangar and I can testify that what
he's doing for homebuilders is indeed the 'real deal.' Take a look at his
website and visit the various areas that show the Corvair Colleges and the
extent of his research. You will find that unlike most in the business,
William does not sell anything that he has not flight tested for many, many
hours.
Welcome to the wonderful, wacky world of homebuilding!
Gerry Scampoli
Hingham, MA
601XL - Corvair
>From: Greg Kendall <gregnk8@yahoo.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying
>to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to
>others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
>
>According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the
>60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks.
>If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks
>for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here?
>
>I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs.
>seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's
>lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer
>but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne
>grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name?
>
>venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything
>other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real
>address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of
>its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear.
>
>Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is
>it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want
>to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a
>response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engines |
Greg, you have definitely received some wrong information and need to
visit the CorvAircraft list.
Search the CorvAircraft archives at
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp
Other CorvAircraft list info is at
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
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From: Greg Kendall
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines
I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am
trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be
useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in
the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided
cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many
broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something
here?
I found another company called venturay that seems to be into
Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says
that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that
wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with
that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then
william wynne is his company name?
venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find
anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say
is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the
adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on
those I hear.
Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website.
is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I
want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a
response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to
know.
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| Subject: | Russian Airshow 2007 |
All,
This isn't Zenith related, but.... it is airplane related. I created a
tempgroup on Yahoo, just for storing the file. It is a PowerPoint .PPS
file, so hopefully you will be able to view it.
The group is unprotected, so anybody should be able to get in and
download it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ch701builder-tempgroup/files/
If you have anyproblems, just let me know.
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
CH701 -- all 0.016" and 0.025" metal cut, ribs are formed, starting
actual assembly on Rear Fuselage tomorrow.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engines |
Other than what has already been written all I can add is this.
How many aircraft are flying with Corvair engines that WW had something to do with
and how many are flying that venturay had something to do with?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Sorry Bill, I was referring to the Loctite stufffff.
Paul R
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From: Bill Naumuk<mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
Paul-
I didn't know a tool that's essentially a fancy drill bit was a
biohazard. I don't have to calm down- I already made my decision not to
do business with MCS, which is why I asked for and received help from
listers who actually read their compadres posts without preexisting
bias. Thanks, JDR.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa.
Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and
handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the
tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20!
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engines |
Hi Greg,
The WW Corvair has powered a lot of aircraft with great reliability.
Car/Airplane performance needs are different, so nitriding is an option
arrived at by engineers and historical performance data. There's no
disagreement on the Corvair. Most WW engines have satisfied owners and
I believe WW is still one of the good guys. Frustration is, his success
has extended the delivery times. It's on you to think far enough ahead
enough to keep that engine from holding up your project. You may not
find WW on the Graduate Engineers list, but what he's done makes WW the
only responsible Engineer for his product. Aircraft builders don't
think in formal terms, but support each other and work together without
looking for the "hand holding" done by more expensive Engine Mfrs.
It probably is just a mail box with no assets, so consider your ability
to pre-program or absorb the timing of his delivery before you write the
check and then don't complain about it.
I'm very optimistic you'd find WW's engine very satisfactory and it
would undoubtedly save you a lot of money.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Greg Kendall wrote:
> I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am
> trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might
> be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
>
> According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in
> the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided
> cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many
> broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something
> here?
>
> I found another company called venturay that seems to be into
> Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says
> that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that
> wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with
> that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then
> william wynne is his company name?
>
> venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find
> anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they
> say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably
> the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big
> on those I hear.
>
> Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website.
> is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars,
> I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard
> getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd
> like to know.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engines |
Just my opinion, but as one of the many Corvairers. Corvairees,
Corvairists, or whatever, on this list, I would suggest that before you
go much further, go look up www.flycorvair<http://www.flycorvair/>, and
maybe peruse WW's manual. He is not an engineer, but he is an A&P with a
lot of experience in Corvairs. Practical knowledge outranks theoretical
any day. Thus, he knows what does and doesn't work. Having never heard
of venturay I can't comment, but I do know WW is straight arrow. I don't
say that lightly. If you make it to either Oshkosh or ZAC's open house,
or make the pilgrimage to his hangar, (how bad could a trip to Central
Florida be?) you can usually see, touch, smell, taste and ask all the
questions you want about, WW's 601XL, and decide for yourself if you'd
feel OK behind one. So far, a bunch of us do, in more than one airframe.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Kendall<mailto:gregnk8@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines
I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am
trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be
useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in
the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided
cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many
broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something
here?
I found another company called venturay that seems to be into
Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says
that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that
wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with
that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then
william wynne is his company name?
venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find
anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say
is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the
adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on
those I hear.
Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website.
is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I
want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a
response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to
know.
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
Hello All:
I just checked the MSC website and they have Loctite 620 in three sizes,
the 10 ML bottle @ $16.49 order no. 97116891. If you go to:
www.mscdirect.com you can search with the order no. and it will come
right up.
I'd suggest buying the BIG bottle; 250 ML for only $154.70.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engines |
100 to 1 ?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Other than what has already been written all I can add is this.
>
> How many aircraft are flying with Corvair engines that WW had something to
> do with and how many are flying that venturay had something to do with?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123450#123450
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS USPS Shipping |
Cripes- MSC. fumble fingers.
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> A request for claification Bill:
>
> Who is the bad guy here? Is it "MCS" or "MSC", you've cleared "ACS".
> Please advise.
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
>
>
>> Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship
>
>> Bill Naumuk
>>
>
>
>> In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse,
> not
>> ACS.
>> do not archive
>> Bill Naumuk
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loctite 620- Found! |
All-
I bought the 50ml bottle from a local distributor listed on the
Loctite website for $44.71. This should be enough for 1, possibly 2
engines. They had the 10ml bottle for $14.50, but you're going to need
more than one.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found!
Hello All:
I just checked the MSC website and they have Loctite 620 in three
sizes, the 10 ML bottle @ $16.49 order no. 97116891. If you go to:
www.mscdirect.com you can search with the order no. and it will come
right up.
I'd suggest buying the BIG bottle; 250 ML for only $154.70.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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I plan on flying out on Saturday or Sunday and staying the whole week.
My flight schedules will, of course depend on the weather. Flying in
from north of Detroit.
Tim Shankland wrote:
>
>
> I'm planning on flying my 601HD (N706TS) there. It will be parked in
> the auto engine area. Planned arrival is Wednesday.
>
> Tim Shankland
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
>
>>
>> Who is taking their Zenith to OSH?
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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> I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying
> to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to
> others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
>
> According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the
> 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks.
> If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks
> for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here?
>
> I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs.
> seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's
> lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an
> engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is
> william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is
> his company name?
>
> venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything
> other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real
> address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of
> its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear.
>
> Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is
> it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want
> to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a
> response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know.
> Greg - Go to www.flycorvair.com to learn all about William or to
www.zenithair.com, look at new completions of 601 kits and you will find
out all about William's Corvair engines in Zenith aircraft.
Jim Hinrichsen
601 HDS, Corvair
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> If you make it to either Oshkosh or ZAC's open house, or make the
pilgrimage to his hangar, (how bad could a trip to Central Florida be?) you
can usually see, touch, smell, taste and ask all the questions you want
about, WW's 601XL, and decide for yourself if you'd feel OK behind one.
Also there is a Corvair engine seminar planned with William and Quality
Sport Planes in Cloverdale, CA sometime later this year.
www.qualitysportplanes.com
You can see pictures of the first one here:
www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_051.htm
-- Craig
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I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small business for
an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is also on this list, who
has waited many more months than I could stand for a complete engine from WW.
As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create something
for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and often goes out of
his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot of his own work, and
is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could be.
I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money with WW,
nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done business with Venturay.
Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment. I have even sent inquiries
to them about their products, but did not complete a transaction.
I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe intellectual
property is to be protected, but as new players enter the field, remember that
WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent the Corvair, using it
in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his unique nosebowl, among other
things, and that is his to protect. I do not believe in disregarding someone
because they want to make a better mouse trap, or even a different moue trap.
Competition is good for everyone.
On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday night from
WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor mount. All but
the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and guess what? This mourning,
Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the "A" list items. I have not
even been able to find a core engine yet, but tht is another story.
As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair conversion items,
but compared to WW, they are just not in the same field.
Thanks,
Jon Burns
Little Elm, TX
601XL
Working on Canopy and Engine
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Greg,
In addition to all the previous comments, and in William Wynne's defense,
Corvair engines have been successfully used on homebuilts since the 60's. It
has been conjectured that the stresses on the un-nitrided cranks were far
less as they were powering such aircraft as the Pietenpol's and other slower
a/c. William, and others, had no reason to doubt the crank. When he started
on his quest to be a proponent of Corvair engines, William had the
monumental task of flight testing every parameter he could think of, plus
all the improvements (and everyone deserves the right to improve). He has
been forthright with the events leading up to, and following the broken
crank.
BTW - In your post you state ".so many broken cranks." How many broken
cranks do you think there have been? .just curious.
It so happens that I have a factory nitrided crank in my engine, but the
re-grinding process has negated the nitriding and I will have to remove the
crank and get it re-nitrided. Unfortunately, I don't know the year of
manufacture. I live on the West Coast and have not been to William's hanger,
but I can assure you he is a real person, as I have shaken his hand several
times. Whoever told you he was an engineer was mistaken, and I am quite sure
that is not a rumor that William would support. He is, however, rightfully
proud of being an Emery-Riddle graduate and an A&P, and so states in his web
sight and literature.
If you are truly interested in powering a homebuilt with a Corvair, you
could do no better than to arm yourself with his manual, whether you buy
anything else from him, or not.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kendall
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines
I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to
decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to
others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions
According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the
60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If
wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for
him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here?
I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs.
seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's
lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer
but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne
grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name?
venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything
other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real
address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its
registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear.
Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it
really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to
know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response
from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know.
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Not long ago I was looking for a Corvair core engine and got an e-mail from
_ozenith@earthlink.net_ (mailto:ozenith@earthlink.net) who had an engine and
WW parts that he wanted to sell. You might want to contact him to see if he
still has the engine and parts. I found another engine and I think a better
deal. Well know when
I start flying maybe next year. Jerry of GA
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Jon,
You were lucky on the "A" items, but may need a little patience on the
engine mount. I've had an "A" item ("readily available") for over 5 weeks,
and a "C" item ("available in 21-60 days") for over 9 months.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines
>
> I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small business
> for an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is also on this
> list, who has waited many more months than I could stand for a complete
> engine from WW.
>
> As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create
> something for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and
> often goes out of his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot
> of his own work, and is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could
> be.
>
> I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money
> with WW, nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done
> business with Venturay. Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment. I
> have even sent inquiries to them about their products, but did not
> complete a transaction.
>
> I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe
> intellectual property is to be protected, but as new players enter the
> field, remember that WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent
> the Corvair, using it in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his
> unique nosebowl, among other things, and that is his to protect. I do not
> believe in disregarding someone because they want to make a better mouse
> trap, or even a different moue trap. Competition is good for everyone.
>
> On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday night
> from WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor mount.
> All but the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and guess
> what? This mourning, Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the "A" list
> items. I have not even been able to find a core engine yet, but tht is
> another story.
>
> As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair conversion
> items, but compared to WW, they are just not in the same field.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jon Burns
> Little Elm, TX
> 601XL
> Working on Canopy and Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123494#123494
>
>
>
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I may be wrong, but I believe that not only have there been only four
broken cranks, each instance involved an engine configeration NOT to WW
standards, as with an extended prop hub and/or other variations that
might put additional stress on the crank.
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair with Wynne-Vair 2900cc in slow mode construction,
N601ZV reserved.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair engines
BTW - In your post you state ".so many broken cranks." How many broken
cranks do you think there have been? .just curious.
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I meant to say "I've had on order..."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines
>
> Jon,
> You were lucky on the "A" items, but may need a little patience on the
> engine mount. I've had an "A" item ("readily available") for over 5 weeks,
> and a "C" item ("available in 21-60 days") for over 9 months.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:24 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines
>
>
>>
>> I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small
>> business for an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is
>> also on this list, who has waited many more months than I could stand for
>> a complete engine from WW.
>>
>> As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create
>> something for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and
>> often goes out of his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot
>> of his own work, and is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could
>> be.
>>
>> I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money
>> with WW, nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done
>> business with Venturay. Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment.
>> I have even sent inquiries to them about their products, but did not
>> complete a transaction.
>>
>> I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe
>> intellectual property is to be protected, but as new players enter the
>> field, remember that WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent
>> the Corvair, using it in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his
>> unique nosebowl, among other things, and that is his to protect. I do
>> not believe in disregarding someone because they want to make a better
>> mouse trap, or even a different moue trap. Competition is good for
>> everyone.
>>
>> On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday
>> night from WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor
>> mount. All but the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and
>> guess what? This mourning, Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the
>> "A" list items. I have not even been able to find a core engine yet, but
>> tht is another story.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair
>> conversion items, but compared to WW, they are just not in the same
>> field.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jon Burns
>> Little Elm, TX
>> 601XL
>> Working on Canopy and Engine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123494#123494
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Proof is in the puddin'. Mine is at the top of the
page.
http://zenvair.com/
R/
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A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi. Here
are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let it flip
up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a limited
number. It is for the forward tilting canope.
Look me up in Oshkosh,
N645AB 601HDS
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Alan, I can't make it out from the pictures and I've lost your original
e-mail. What does the link connect to on the latch on the canopy?
-- Craig
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I'd be interested if you make a run.
I will be in Oshkosh from late Sunday until Tuesday evening.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BEYER
Sent: July-12-07 10:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canope Link
A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi.
Here are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let
it flip up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a
limited number. It is for the forward tilting canope.
Look me up in Oshkosh,
N645AB 601HDS
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I will not be at Oshkosh but I am interested.
Skip Perry-601XL
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BEYER
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canope Link
A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi.
Here are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let
it flip up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a
limited number. It is for the forward tilting canope.
Look me up in Oshkosh,
N645AB 601HDS
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