---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/12/07: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: 701 engine weight (RClaggf4u@aol.com) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Bill Naumuk) 3. 07:21 AM - NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! (Noel Loveys) 4. 09:51 AM - Corvair engines (Greg Kendall) 5. 10:01 AM - Re: How about a sliding canopy? (Greg Kendall) 6. 10:04 AM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Greg Kendall) 7. 10:41 AM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Randy L. Thwing) 8. 10:41 AM - Re: Corvair engines (Gerald Scampoli) 9. 10:46 AM - Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach) 10. 11:07 AM - Russian Airshow 2007 (Keith Ashcraft) 11. 12:10 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Gig Giacona) 12. 12:11 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! () 13. 12:16 PM - Re: Corvair engines (LarryMcFarland) 14. 12:43 PM - Re: Corvair engines () 15. 12:44 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Randy L. Thwing) 16. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach) 17. 01:06 PM - Re: ACS USPS Shipping (Bill Naumuk) 18. 01:17 PM - Re: Loctite 620- Found! (Bill Naumuk) 19. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: OSH (Bryan Martin) 20. 02:12 PM - Re: Corvair engines (quikdraw@mtco.com) 21. 02:13 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Craig Payne) 22. 03:25 PM - Re: Corvair engines (jonaburns) 23. 03:44 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Gary Boothe) 24. 04:33 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 25. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach) 26. 05:10 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach) 27. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Corvair engines (Robin Bellach) 28. 05:40 PM - Re: Corvair engines (Brandon Tucker) 29. 07:30 PM - Canope Link (ALAN BEYER) 30. 07:48 PM - Re: Canope Link (Craig Payne) 31. 08:08 PM - Re: Canope Link (Paul Riedlinger) 32. 09:12 PM - Re: Canope Link (Skip Perry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:27 AM PST US From: RClaggf4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 engine weight Whew, I was worried about that! R. Clagg do not archive ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:36 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping All- Just wanted to set things straight so a company that basically has our interests at heart wasn't maligned by accident. In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse, not ACS. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:09 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: Zenith-List: NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! That, or learn how to use Coraseal... Sand paper on the ends also works Noel Loveys > From: "Ken Yoskowitz" > Subject: Zenith-List: NO MORE TIE WRAP CUTS! > > OK, Everybody raise their scratched/bloody fingers and arms who is > looking for a tool that will cut a tie wrap flush. Buy a > Xuron brand, > "shears", #'s 410A, 410T, 420T, or 2175. Cost $10-$15. I > have several > and they cut leaving no plastic burr. They are beautiful > tools and made > in the USA. Google Xuron for suppliers. Good Luck, Ken > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:45 AM PST US From: Greg Kendall Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name? venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:00 AM PST US From: Greg Kendall Subject: Zenith-List: Re: How about a sliding canopy? I asked the question of venturay and got a picture of one of their test plane with it on they say is flying. can;t find the attachmnet now so maybe contact them. --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:02 AM PST US From: Greg Kendall Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Loctite 620- Found! most john deere dealers carry it --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:08 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping A request for claification Bill: Who is the bad guy here? Is it "MCS" or "MSC", you've cleared "ACS". Please advise. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas do not archive > Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship > Bill Naumuk > > In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse, not > ACS. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:40 AM PST US From: "Gerald Scampoli" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Greg, I think that you will find that WW is not an engineer, but is an A&P with DEEP roots in the homebuilding movement and a genuine caring for his customers. He does the best job for every one of his customers that he possibly can, but for some that doesn't seem to be enough. His business is not very big and has few employees; every one of his customers believes that the order he just placed should be the most important thing on William's to-do list. A lot of the Corvair engine people are 'rolling their own' with most, if not all of WW's conversion parts. I would suggest that you purchase the conversion manual and read his thoughts on risk management and safety. The manual is much more than a 'tab A into slot B' instruction book, it may even change the way you think on a lot of aviation subjects. To the best of my knowledge, Chevy did not nitride ALL Corvair cranks, only the turbo engines were done. Venturay is a 'johnny-come-lately' in the Corvair movement, that's not a bad thing, but many of us have a deep respect for the pioneering work and research that William Wynne has done and hate to see him deprived of the rightful fruits of his labors by someone who didn't bother to do the research and development work. I have been to a Corvair College at WW's hangar and I can testify that what he's doing for homebuilders is indeed the 'real deal.' Take a look at his website and visit the various areas that show the Corvair Colleges and the extent of his research. You will find that unlike most in the business, William does not sell anything that he has not flight tested for many, many hours. Welcome to the wonderful, wacky world of homebuilding! Gerry Scampoli Hingham, MA 601XL - Corvair >From: Greg Kendall >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying >to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to >others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions > >According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the >60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. >If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks >for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? > >I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. >seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's >lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer >but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne >grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name? > >venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything >other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real >address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of >its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. > >Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is >it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want >to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a >response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. > > >--------------------------------- >Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:25 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Greg, you have definitely received some wrong information and need to visit the CorvAircraft list. Search the CorvAircraft archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Kendall To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name? venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:03 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Zenith-List: Russian Airshow 2007 All, This isn't Zenith related, but.... it is airplane related. I created a tempgroup on Yahoo, just for storing the file. It is a PowerPoint .PPS file, so hopefully you will be able to view it. The group is unprotected, so anybody should be able to get in and download it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ch701builder-tempgroup/files/ If you have anyproblems, just let me know. Keith N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' CH701 -- all 0.016" and 0.025" metal cut, ribs are formed, starting actual assembly on Rear Fuselage tomorrow. -- *************************************** *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ******************************************************************* ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines From: "Gig Giacona" Other than what has already been written all I can add is this. How many aircraft are flying with Corvair engines that WW had something to do with and how many are flying that venturay had something to do with? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123450#123450 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:02 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Sorry Bill, I was referring to the Loctite stufffff. Paul R Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Paul- I didn't know a tool that's essentially a fancy drill bit was a biohazard. I don't have to calm down- I already made my decision not to do business with MCS, which is why I asked for and received help from listers who actually read their compadres posts without preexisting bias. Thanks, JDR. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa. Compare this to MCS's $10 HANDLING CHARGE. Not SHIPPING and handling. The last time I ordered a ball mill from ACS, the price of the tool was less than $3. My total bill was nearly $20! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:03 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Hi Greg, The WW Corvair has powered a lot of aircraft with great reliability. Car/Airplane performance needs are different, so nitriding is an option arrived at by engineers and historical performance data. There's no disagreement on the Corvair. Most WW engines have satisfied owners and I believe WW is still one of the good guys. Frustration is, his success has extended the delivery times. It's on you to think far enough ahead enough to keep that engine from holding up your project. You may not find WW on the Graduate Engineers list, but what he's done makes WW the only responsible Engineer for his product. Aircraft builders don't think in formal terms, but support each other and work together without looking for the "hand holding" done by more expensive Engine Mfrs. It probably is just a mail box with no assets, so consider your ability to pre-program or absorb the timing of his delivery before you write the check and then don't complain about it. I'm very optimistic you'd find WW's engine very satisfactory and it would undoubtedly save you a lot of money. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Greg Kendall wrote: > I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am > trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might > be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions > > According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in > the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided > cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many > broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something > here? > > I found another company called venturay that seems to be into > Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says > that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that > wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with > that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then > william wynne is his company name? > > venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find > anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they > say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably > the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big > on those I hear. > > Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. > is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, > I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard > getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd > like to know. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:47 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Just my opinion, but as one of the many Corvairers. Corvairees, Corvairists, or whatever, on this list, I would suggest that before you go much further, go look up www.flycorvair, and maybe peruse WW's manual. He is not an engineer, but he is an A&P with a lot of experience in Corvairs. Practical knowledge outranks theoretical any day. Thus, he knows what does and doesn't work. Having never heard of venturay I can't comment, but I do know WW is straight arrow. I don't say that lightly. If you make it to either Oshkosh or ZAC's open house, or make the pilgrimage to his hangar, (how bad could a trip to Central Florida be?) you can usually see, touch, smell, taste and ask all the questions you want about, WW's 601XL, and decide for yourself if you'd feel OK behind one. So far, a bunch of us do, in more than one airframe. Paul Rodriguez 601XL/Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Kendall To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name? venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:37 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Hello All: I just checked the MSC website and they have Loctite 620 in three sizes, the 10 ML bottle @ $16.49 order no. 97116891. If you go to: www.mscdirect.com you can search with the order no. and it will come right up. I'd suggest buying the BIG bottle; 250 ML for only $154.70. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:23 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines 100 to 1 ? Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gig Giacona" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines > > > Other than what has already been written all I can add is this. > > How many aircraft are flying with Corvair engines that WW had something to > do with and how many are flying that venturay had something to do with? > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123450#123450 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:00 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping Cripes- MSC. fumble fingers. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy L. Thwing" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ACS USPS Shipping > > > A request for claification Bill: > > Who is the bad guy here? Is it "MCS" or "MSC", you've cleared "ACS". > Please advise. > > Regards, > > Randy, Las Vegas do not archive > > >> Before I give those bandits at MSC a $10 "Handling" charge to ship > >> Bill Naumuk >> > > >> In my recent posts I was referring to MCS, a tool supply warehouse, > not >> ACS. >> do not archive >> Bill Naumuk > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:21 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! All- I bought the 50ml bottle from a local distributor listed on the Loctite website for $44.71. This should be enough for 1, possibly 2 engines. They had the 10ml bottle for $14.50, but you're going to need more than one. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Loctite 620- Found! Hello All: I just checked the MSC website and they have Loctite 620 in three sizes, the 10 ML bottle @ $16.49 order no. 97116891. If you go to: www.mscdirect.com you can search with the order no. and it will come right up. I'd suggest buying the BIG bottle; 250 ML for only $154.70. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:38 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: OSH I plan on flying out on Saturday or Sunday and staying the whole week. My flight schedules will, of course depend on the weather. Flying in from north of Detroit. Tim Shankland wrote: > > > I'm planning on flying my 601HD (N706TS) there. It will be parked in > the auto engine area. Planned arrival is Wednesday. > > Tim Shankland > > Craig Payne wrote: > >> >> Who is taking their Zenith to OSH? >> >> -- Craig >> -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines From: quikdraw@mtco.com > I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying > to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to > others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions > > According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the > 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. > If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks > for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? > > I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. > seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's > lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an > engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is > william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is > his company name? > > venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything > other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real > address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of > its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. > > Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is > it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want > to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a > response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. > Greg - Go to www.flycorvair.com to learn all about William or to www.zenithair.com, look at new completions of 601 kits and you will find out all about William's Corvair engines in Zenith aircraft. Jim Hinrichsen 601 HDS, Corvair > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:04 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair engines > If you make it to either Oshkosh or ZAC's open house, or make the pilgrimage to his hangar, (how bad could a trip to Central Florida be?) you can usually see, touch, smell, taste and ask all the questions you want about, WW's 601XL, and decide for yourself if you'd feel OK behind one. Also there is a Corvair engine seminar planned with William and Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale, CA sometime later this year. www.qualitysportplanes.com You can see pictures of the first one here: www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_051.htm -- Craig ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines From: "jonaburns" I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small business for an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is also on this list, who has waited many more months than I could stand for a complete engine from WW. As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create something for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and often goes out of his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot of his own work, and is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could be. I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money with WW, nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done business with Venturay. Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment. I have even sent inquiries to them about their products, but did not complete a transaction. I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe intellectual property is to be protected, but as new players enter the field, remember that WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent the Corvair, using it in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his unique nosebowl, among other things, and that is his to protect. I do not believe in disregarding someone because they want to make a better mouse trap, or even a different moue trap. Competition is good for everyone. On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday night from WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor mount. All but the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and guess what? This mourning, Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the "A" list items. I have not even been able to find a core engine yet, but tht is another story. As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair conversion items, but compared to WW, they are just not in the same field. Thanks, Jon Burns Little Elm, TX 601XL Working on Canopy and Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123494#123494 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:13 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Greg, In addition to all the previous comments, and in William Wynne's defense, Corvair engines have been successfully used on homebuilts since the 60's. It has been conjectured that the stresses on the un-nitrided cranks were far less as they were powering such aircraft as the Pietenpol's and other slower a/c. William, and others, had no reason to doubt the crank. When he started on his quest to be a proponent of Corvair engines, William had the monumental task of flight testing every parameter he could think of, plus all the improvements (and everyone deserves the right to improve). He has been forthright with the events leading up to, and following the broken crank. BTW - In your post you state ".so many broken cranks." How many broken cranks do you think there have been? .just curious. It so happens that I have a factory nitrided crank in my engine, but the re-grinding process has negated the nitriding and I will have to remove the crank and get it re-nitrided. Unfortunately, I don't know the year of manufacture. I live on the West Coast and have not been to William's hanger, but I can assure you he is a real person, as I have shaken his hand several times. Whoever told you he was an engineer was mistaken, and I am quite sure that is not a rumor that William would support. He is, however, rightfully proud of being an Emery-Riddle graduate and an A&P, and so states in his web sight and literature. If you are truly interested in powering a homebuilt with a Corvair, you could do no better than to arm yourself with his manual, whether you buy anything else from him, or not. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kendall Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair engines I'm new to this list so sorry if not up to date on everything. am trying to decide on an engine and have done some research that might be useful to others. Done a lot of browsing and have some dumb questions According to my research, Chevy was nitriding its cranks way back in the 60's. A friend tells me that all aircraft engines have nitrided cranks. If wynne is an engineer why did it take so long and so many broken cranks for him to recommend nitriding? am I missing something here? I found another company called venturay that seems to be into Corvairs. seems to be a lot of bad blood on this list. Funny it says that wynne's lawyer told them its a trademark. Someone told me that wynne is an engineer but the only engineer I can find in florida with that name is william wynne grubbs so is that his real name and then william wynne is his company name? venturay does not have any person's names so it's hard to find anything other than it's corporation. venturay has what appears they say is a real address that matches it"s incorporation but its probably the adddress of its registered agents. Yeeeah, Delaware is real big on those I hear. Has anyone ever been to the address in Orange Park from wynns website. is it really just a mailbox? Before I fork over thousands of dollars, I want to know I'm dealing with more than a mailbox. Really hard getting a response from him. before I spend mrore time chasing him i'd like to know. _____ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:43 PM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines Not long ago I was looking for a Corvair core engine and got an e-mail from _ozenith@earthlink.net_ (mailto:ozenith@earthlink.net) who had an engine and WW parts that he wanted to sell. You might want to contact him to see if he still has the engine and parts. I found another engine and I think a better deal. Well know when I start flying maybe next year. Jerry of GA ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:52 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines Jon, You were lucky on the "A" items, but may need a little patience on the engine mount. I've had an "A" item ("readily available") for over 5 weeks, and a "C" item ("available in 21-60 days") for over 9 months. Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonaburns" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines > > I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small business > for an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is also on this > list, who has waited many more months than I could stand for a complete > engine from WW. > > As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create > something for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and > often goes out of his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot > of his own work, and is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could > be. > > I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money > with WW, nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done > business with Venturay. Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment. I > have even sent inquiries to them about their products, but did not > complete a transaction. > > I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe > intellectual property is to be protected, but as new players enter the > field, remember that WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent > the Corvair, using it in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his > unique nosebowl, among other things, and that is his to protect. I do not > believe in disregarding someone because they want to make a better mouse > trap, or even a different moue trap. Competition is good for everyone. > > On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday night > from WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor mount. > All but the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and guess > what? This mourning, Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the "A" list > items. I have not even been able to find a core engine yet, but tht is > another story. > > As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair conversion > items, but compared to WW, they are just not in the same field. > > > Thanks, > Jon Burns > Little Elm, TX > 601XL > Working on Canopy and Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123494#123494 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:48 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair engines I may be wrong, but I believe that not only have there been only four broken cranks, each instance involved an engine configeration NOT to WW standards, as with an extended prop hub and/or other variations that might put additional stress on the crank. Robin in AR 601XL Zen-Vair with Wynne-Vair 2900cc in slow mode construction, N601ZV reserved. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair engines BTW - In your post you state ".so many broken cranks." How many broken cranks do you think there have been? .just curious. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:49 PM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines I meant to say "I've had on order..." Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines > > Jon, > You were lucky on the "A" items, but may need a little patience on the > engine mount. I've had an "A" item ("readily available") for over 5 weeks, > and a "C" item ("available in 21-60 days") for over 9 months. > > Do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jonaburns" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:24 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines > > >> >> I too am scarred to death to send thousands of dollars to a small >> business for an unspecified number of months. I know someone, who is >> also on this list, who has waited many more months than I could stand for >> a complete engine from WW. >> >> As others have said, he has quite a few people wanting him to create >> something for them. He seems to treat everyone as his best friend, and >> often goes out of his way to help... which adds to delays. He does a lot >> of his own work, and is probably not as hard on his suppliers as he could >> be. >> >> I can say that I do not know of anyone who has actually lost their money >> with WW, nor can I say that I know of anyone that has actually done >> business with Venturay. Not out of respect for WW, but just a comment. >> I have even sent inquiries to them about their products, but did not >> complete a transaction. >> >> I do not believe I owe WW anything for "Blazing the way." I believe >> intellectual property is to be protected, but as new players enter the >> field, remember that WW was one of these at one time. He did not invent >> the Corvair, using it in aviation, or the prop hub. He did create his >> unique nosebowl, among other things, and that is his to protect. I do >> not believe in disregarding someone because they want to make a better >> mouse trap, or even a different moue trap. Competition is good for >> everyone. >> >> On a very positive note, I ordered about $1500 in accessories Sunday >> night from WW, including a top cover, Prop hub, safety shaft, and motor >> mount. All but the motor mount are on his "A" list of in-stock stuff, and >> guess what? This mourning, Thursday, at about 9:00 I received all the >> "A" list items. I have not even been able to find a core engine yet, but >> tht is another story. >> >> As I mentioned, I continue to look at other "suppliers" Corvair >> conversion items, but compared to WW, they are just not in the same >> field. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jon Burns >> Little Elm, TX >> 601XL >> Working on Canopy and Engine >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123494#123494 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:23 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair engines Proof is in the puddin'. Mine is at the top of the page. http://zenvair.com/ R/ Brandon Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:29 PM PST US From: ALAN BEYER Subject: Zenith-List: Canope Link A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi. Here are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let it flip up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a limited number. It is for the forward tilting canope. Look me up in Oshkosh, N645AB 601HDS ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canope Link Alan, I can't make it out from the pictures and I've lost your original e-mail. What does the link connect to on the latch on the canopy? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:28 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canope Link I'd be interested if you make a run. I will be in Oshkosh from late Sunday until Tuesday evening. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BEYER Sent: July-12-07 10:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Canope Link A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi. Here are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let it flip up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a limited number. It is for the forward tilting canope. Look me up in Oshkosh, N645AB 601HDS ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:07 PM PST US From: "Skip Perry" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canope Link I will not be at Oshkosh but I am interested. Skip Perry-601XL _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BEYER Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Canope Link A few days ago someone asked about holding the canope open when they taxi. Here are a few pics of the link I made. It holds it open and will not let it flip up in a tail wind. If there is any interest in them I might make a limited number. It is for the forward tilting canope. 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