---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/15/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Photos from Arlington 2007 ( Saturday ) (John Marzulli) 2. 02:25 AM - CH701 brakes (howado1@comcast.net) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: First flight... not so good (Juan Vega) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Photos from Arlington 2007 ( Saturday ) (TxDave) 5. 12:31 PM - Corvair (Ralph Mirabal) 6. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: First flight... not so good (raymondj) 7. 03:05 PM - Re: First flight... not so good (rickpitcher) 8. 03:06 PM - Re: First flight... not so good (rickpitcher) 9. 03:06 PM - Re: CH701 brakes (jetboy) 10. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: First flight... not so good (Michael Valentine) 11. 03:30 PM - Re: Corvair (Trainnut01@aol.com) 12. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: First flight... not so good (raymondj) 13. 06:52 PM - Trailering the 701 (ricklach) 14. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: First flight... not so good (raymondj) 15. 09:30 PM - Re: Canadian Pricing of Kits (ZodieRocket) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:49 AM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Zenith-List: Photos from Arlington 2007 ( Saturday ) I posted about 120 photos from Arlington on my blog. ( http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ) You can also view the same photos at http://picasaweb.google.com/john.marzulli/Arlington2007Saturday Enjoy! -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:41 AM PST US From: howado1@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 brakes I have a question for CH701 builders: The photoassembly guides have very little information on the brake system; where do I find information such as the brake line material spec, suggested routing and tie downs, fittings, and recommended brake fluid? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Howard Carter ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:27 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight... not so good nice landing, i give it 5 points for grace and 5 for origianlity. Simone, whatdo you think?. -----Original Message----- >From: rickpitcher >Sent: Jul 14, 2007 6:44 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: First flight... not so good > > >I got a phone call a couple hours ago asking if my red and white Zodiac was still safe in the hangar. Turns out another Zodiac 601 HDS was taking it's first flight at a local airpark when the engine quit. The plane ended up on the roof of a house just a couple hundred feet short of the runway. The pilot is OK, just a few scratches and bruises. The plane didn't fare as well. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123825#123825 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/ffz2_104.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/ffz1_426.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Photos from Arlington 2007 ( Saturday ) From: "TxDave" Thanks for sharing the great photos, John. Dave Clay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123913#123913 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:10 PM PST US From: "Ralph Mirabal" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Anybody that maybe concern about paying WW a deposit for an order of parts, I paid by way of pay-pal $4,000. to Flycorvair for a corvair f w f that I ordered it took longer than I or WW want it to but as a return I got one of the most beautiful corvair engine around. WW and his wife are very nice person, and he go out of his way to please his customers,trust me he will not run away with your money. If you are thinking in going with WW corvair or to order parts or a f w f from William Waynne save your self or WW some mental disturbance by ordering months ahead of the time that the part will be needed. I am so happy the way that my order came out, the extra time I had to way all ready had fade out of my brain. And what can I say about Kevin the guy who assemble the corvair engine and Gus of Flywithgus.com you have to look very hard if you want to find somebody as nice as those two guys. So this is a very happy ending for a corvair F W F order. Ralph Mirabal 601 hd tdo Miami,FL _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:36 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good Greetings Mr. Pitcher, When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any confusion between them and actual photographs. I believe that the "photos" you posted offer definitive proof that a plane (which had an N#) hit a house. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "rickpitcher" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good > > [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you > know what it is? > > Jeff > quote] > > Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. > No need to identify the owner at this time. I'm sure it'll all come out > in an NTSB review sometime soon. > I'll post more info if something definitive comes up. > > Rick Pitcher > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123843#123843 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good From: "rickpitcher" raymondj(at)frontiernet.n wrote: > Greetings Mr. Pitcher, > > When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any > confusion between them and actual photographs. > > > do not archive > --- Sorry. I hereby annotate the photo as "doctored" by removing the N-number before everyone got a chance to speculate why John Doe (not his real name) had problems with his first flight. I really didn't think it was neccessary. Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123975#123975 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good From: "rickpitcher" [quote="rickpitcher"] Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote: > I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you know what it is? > > Jeff > quote] > > Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. No need to identify the owner at this time. I'm sure it'll all come out in an NTSB review sometime soon. > I'll post more info if something definitive comes up. > > Rick Pitcher > Do not archive More information here: http://www.avpress.com/n/15/0715_s8.hts do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123978#123978 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 brakes From: "jetboy" They use Matco brake and wheel assemblies. Surely this is specified in the plans? The fluid is detailed with the Matco spec sheets, red aviation fluid as used in cessnas etc. The nylon style brake lines on my model exit the fuselage through a grommet aft of the landing gear box section and have no external support. I dont think the 701 cruises fast enough to need any. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123979#123979 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:03 PM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good Raymond, If they are "doctored images" and not "actual photographs" then why do believe they offer definitive proof of anything? I know that email is terrible at communicating intent, but you appear to be chastising Mr. Pitcher. If so, please spare us the holier-than-thou attitude. He was doing something he felt was appropriate in keeping the identity of the poor builder confidential for now, while still informing the list of a significant event of interest to all of us. While noting up front that he had removed the N number from the photograph would have been helpful, he is not trying to deceive anyone. If your post was merely intended as a primer in photojournalistic ethics in the digital age, my sincerest apologies. Michael in NH 601XL languishing in basement during the summer... don't archive this either On 7/15/07, raymondj wrote: > > > Greetings Mr. Pitcher, > > When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent > any > confusion between them and actual photographs. > > I believe that the "photos" you posted offer definitive proof that a > plane (which had an N#) hit a house. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "Hope for the best, > but prepare for the worst" > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rickpitcher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:27 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good > > > > > > [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you > > know what it is? > > > > Jeff > > quote] > > > > Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. > > No need to identify the owner at this time. I'm sure it'll all come out > > in an NTSB review sometime soon. > > I'll post more info if something definitive comes up. > > > > Rick Pitcher > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:40 PM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair I ordered some parts from WW a while back and paid for them with by check. I don't have my parts yet, but he hasn't cashed the checks yet either. Grace acknowledged receipt when I saw them at Sun-n-Fun. I have ordered more parts since and will probably order a mount and a baffle kit this week. I think worrying about WW absconding with your money is a total waste of time. Carroll Jernigan 601XL Corvair Lenoir City, TN ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:34 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good Michael, My email to Mr. Pitcher was to express my preferences for annotating images. I assumed no malice or intent to decieve by Mr. Pitcher, which is why I took the substance of the images as truthful and correct and commented that they offered definative proof of the event. Mr. Pitcher made his intent clear. I did not chastise him for his decision. I have no credentials to offer anyone advice on photojournalistic ethics. It is appropriate for me to make Mr. Pitcher aware of my preferences. If, in the future, I should choose to chastise someone should I check with you first? You have indicated that you speak for "us"(whoever that is) when deciding which of my attitudes the list should be spared. I hope I have made my intent clear. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Valentine To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good Raymond, If they are "doctored images" and not "actual photographs" then why do believe they offer definitive proof of anything? I know that email is terrible at communicating intent, but you appear to be chastising Mr. Pitcher. If so, please spare us the holier-than-thou attitude. He was doing something he felt was appropriate in keeping the identity of the poor builder confidential for now, while still informing the list of a significant event of interest to all of us. While noting up front that he had removed the N number from the photograph would have been helpful, he is not trying to deceive anyone. If your post was merely intended as a primer in photojournalistic ethics in the digital age, my sincerest apologies. Michael in NH 601XL languishing in basement during the summer... don't archive this either On 7/15/07, raymondj wrote: Greetings Mr. Pitcher, When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent any confusion between them and actual photographs. I believe that the "photos" you posted offer definitive proof that a plane (which had an N#) hit a house. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "rickpitcher" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good zodie@adelphia.net> > > [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I don't see a N # on that plane. Do you > know what it is? > > Jeff > quote] > > Yeah, I airbrushed the N-numbers off of the tail before posting the pix. > No need to identify the owner at this time. I'm sure it'll all come out > in an NTSB review sometime soon. > I'll post more info if something definitive comes up. > > Rick Pitcher > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Trailering the 701 From: "ricklach" I am going to take a long vacation north into Canada and Alaska and would like to take my 701. Dose any one have any experience with trailering the 701 for extended time and over rough roads? Ive looked at the folding wing MOD from Zenith and Im not to sure its up to a trip like that. Your thoughts and experience on the subject would be appreciated. Thanks Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124011#124011 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:53 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good Thanks for the reply. Back to building and dreaming. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "rickpitcher" Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good > > > raymondj(at)frontiernet.n wrote: >> Greetings Mr. Pitcher, >> >> When posting doctored images, please anotate them as such to prevent >> any >> confusion between them and actual photographs. >> >> >> do not archive >> --- > > > Sorry. > I hereby annotate the photo as "doctored" by removing the N-number before > everyone got a chance to speculate why John Doe (not his real name) had > problems with his first flight. I really didn't think it was neccessary. > > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123975#123975 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:26 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Canadian Pricing of Kits Hi Ron and everyone else on the list, I have just arrived home from Arlington, during the shows I only receive E-Mail directly addressed to Can-Zac, I normally will not get the other 500 E-Mails until my return home. So Ron I apologize for the delay in reply. The Pricing on all of Can-Zac's sales are calculated on day of sale. Right now with the Canadian Dollar rising so quickly it is hard to keep the websites pricing updated, plus add shows like Arlington and Oshkosh and there is just not enough hours in the day. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lalonde Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Canadian Pricing of Kits Hi Mark With the Canadian dollar being close to par with the US dollar, will the price of the 601/701 kits be changed?? Or have they already? Ron _________________________________________________________________ New Windows Live Hotmail is here. 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