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     1. 03:20 AM - AMD Patriot (Jeff Small)
     2. 03:34 AM - Re: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (Trainnut01@aol.com)
     3. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: Leveling (Paul Mulwitz)
     4. 05:37 AM - Re: First flight... not so good (steveadams)
     5. 05:54 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (dfmoeller)
     6. 06:07 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Mitch Hodges)
     7. 07:18 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Mitch Hodges)
     8. 07:24 AM - HDS Zodiac for sale (Paul Hartl)
     9. 07:27 AM - Faucet fuel pump (Bob Duns)
    10. 07:47 AM - Re: 701 Pitch Control Rod Installation (txpilot)
    11. 07:55 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Robin Bellach)
    12. 07:59 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Jaybannist@cs.com)
    13. 08:42 AM - Re: HDS Zodiac for sale (robert stone)
    14. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Keith Ashcraft)
    15. 09:29 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Gig Giacona)
    16. 10:56 AM - Re: Leveling (milreed)
    17. 11:04 AM - Re: Leveling (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
    18. 11:07 AM - CH640: Findings at 2nd condition inspection (steveadams)
    19. 11:10 AM - Re: HDS Zodiac for sale (Paul Riedlinger)
    20. 12:00 PM - Re:Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (MaxNr@aol.com)
    21. 12:12 PM - Faucet fuel pump, 601 FWF manual (Bob Duns)
    22. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (Bryan Martin)
    23. 01:34 PM - New 701 coming! (ProWash)
    24. 02:30 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (Gig Giacona)
    25. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: New 701 coming! (Peter Dolamore)
    26. 02:56 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (Robert Hansen)
    27. 04:17 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (MacDonald Doug)
    28. 05:44 PM - I want out off this Fucking group (ron hoskins)
    29. 06:15 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Randy L. Thwing)
    30. 06:42 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Paul Riedlinger)
    31. 06:59 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (George Swinford)
    32. 07:43 PM - Facet fuel pump (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
    33. 07:51 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Joemotis@aol.com)
    34. 08:25 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (David Brooks)
    35. 08:36 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 
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      If you get the AOPA Pilot magazine there's an article on the mew LSA 
      design from Chris.  Called the Patriot, it differs from traditional CH 
      designs by having a vertical stabilizer/rudder instead of the all-flying 
      rudder we're are used to seeing.  Quite an attractive a/c, not like the 
      701 (not that the 701 doesn't have its charms).
      
      High-wing, almost 33 foot span, 118 kt cruise, stall (clean) at 40 kts, 
      price to be in $90 to $95K range.  Looks better than the Cessna LSA 
      offering to me.
      
      Should be at OSH.
      
      do not archive   jeff
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned | 
      
      Bryan
      Back in the 70"s there were some carbureted cars that did have a tank  return 
      line specifically to prevent vapor lock. These cars had mechanical fuel  
      pumps on the engine, and inline fuel filters between the pump and the  carb. That
      
      fuel filter had a third, smaller, barb on it that connected to a  fuel tank 
      return line. 
      I worked in both Buick and Oldsmobile shops during that time and I remember  
      the Oldsmobiles having this setup but I'm not sure about the Buicks. (I Suffer
      
       from CRS)
      Carroll Jernigan
      
      
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      At 11:09 AM 7/18/2007, you wrote:
      >If you see me flying by all catty-whompus (warning: technical term) 
      >then I guess I did it all wrong.  I will not know how it flies for 
      >another year or two though.
      
      
      Actually, I learned many years ago when trying to learn RC airplane 
      piloting that anything will fly.  After the first few major crashes, 
      my airplanes tended to be very crooked contraptions held together by 
      large globs of epoxy glue.  They still flew just fine.  Well, perhaps 
      their airspeed wasn't quite as good as when they were new.
      
      For leveling my work bench I used one of the home depot style laser 
      levels.  I used this to insert shims under 2 x 4 cross pieces on top 
      of my work bench.  This gave me a 12 foot long by four foot wide work 
      space where the top edges of the 2 x 4s were level to within 1 mm throughout.
      
      Paul
      XL fuselage
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First flight... not so good | 
      
      
      I am sorry to see this accident, but am glad the pilot is OK, which is the most important thing. I was interested in how close he was to the airport when the happenned so I pulled up the following photomap http://maps.yahoo.com/broadband/index.php#mvt=s&q1=3441%20Citrine%20Ln,%20Rosamond,%20CA%2093560-6813&trf=0&lon=-118.192549&lat=34.870158&mag=5
      It looks like he was only about 2000 feet short of the runway. I don't know if
      he was in the pattern coming around for landing or had engine problems and was
      just trying to make the airport, but it does bring up one of my pet peeves. The
      following are just general comments and I am not in any way casting doubts
      on the pilot or his preparation in this accident. Most of the time when I fly
      a pattern I stay within gliding range of the runway, and was very anal about it
      during test flights. While a long, on the glideslope, power on approach is appropriate
      for many larger aircraft or in IMC conditions, with these aircraft
      there is no reason not to be in a position to glide to the runway from most anywhere
      in the pattern once you get enough altitude. Though problems rarely happen,
      they are much more likely to happen in the first few flights, so fly them
      as if you will lose power at any time. Before your first flight, go up and do
      a bunch of engine out practice, from different locations in the pattern and from
      altitude, until you can nail it every time. Throughout you initial test flights,
      get altitude as quickly as you can and never be out of gliding range to
      the runway. Scout out the area surrounding the airport and have a distinct plan
      for exactly where you will put it down in the event you lose power before getting
      enough altitude to make the runway. Don't put the extra burden of having
      to think about it if it happens, just follow through on what you had already
      planned. Mechanical problems and fuel problems do happen at a relatively high
      rate during the initial test flights, but in most cases they shouldn't have to
      result in bent metal or worse.
      
      Steve Adams
      CH640
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124739#124739
      
      
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      Can you do a scan and post a pic?  I can't find a single reference to it on ZAC/s
      or AMD's websites, although I see it listed as an Oshkosh attraction.  I'm
      very curious!
      
      Doug
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124742#124742
      
      
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      If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 
      
      
      Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 
      
      Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online.
      
      Mitch Hodges
      
      --------
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      Wings Under Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124744#124744
      
      
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      Let's try this again.  Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send
      it through to the list...
      
      If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 
      
      http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html 
      
      Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 
      
      Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. 
      
      Mitch Hodges
      
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      Wings Under Construction
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124755#124755
      
      
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| Subject:  | HDS Zodiac for sale | 
      
      
      Hi List,
      
       I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her
      these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be an
      aircraft owner nor a pilot.  She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with a
      very nice lineup of instruments and features.  I have her advertised on
      Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and
      provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl .  If you
      know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr aircraft
      with lots of nice features, please send them to my website.
      
      Thanks,
      Paul Hartl, N414PZ
      
      
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| Subject:  | Faucet fuel pump | 
      
      Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps that WW now
      recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system.  He is now using an electric primary
      and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the mechanical primary and electric
      backup. Apparently these are listed in his new 601 installation manual that
      is being distributed.
      
      Bob D.
      601HD/Corvair
      Melfort, SK
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 701 Pitch Control Rod Installation | 
      
      
      
      > Dan, 
      > What is the length of your pitch control rod? 
      > 
      > Seems that's where the amount of travel is also controlled. The plans 
      > call for 665mm but I think that's too much. 
      > 
      > I looked at a CZAW built plane last week. The control rod was about 585mm. It
      didn't touch the seat back nor did the end travel back into the seat front oblong
      hole. 
      > 
      
      
      I haven't even cut it to length yet.  I simply matched the tube with the bellcrank
      when both the stick and bellcrank were neutral (vertical).  I knew I was in
      trouble with the seat front clearance just by eyeballing it.
      
      The plans indicate "685mm (check stick neutral)".  In my original kit plans dated
      1/96, it shows "700mm (cut to fit stick neutral)".  I guess the intent is to
      give you enough material to cut it to the size you want, although that's not
      really spelled out in the latest drawings.
      
      Dan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124763#124763
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Faucet fuel pump | 
      
      I believe they are Facet #40108. 
      Do you know that the long promised 601 FWF manual is actually being 
      ditributed, as in anyone really receiving one?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Bob Duns 
        To: zenith-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:27 AM
        Subject: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump
      
      
        Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps 
      that WW now recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system.  He is now 
      using an electric primary and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the 
      mechanical primary and electric backup. Apparently these are listed in 
      his new 601 installation manual that is being distributed.
      
        Bob D.
        601HD/Corvair
        Melfort, SK
      
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| Subject:  | Faucet fuel pump | 
      
      
      Bob,  WW's manual says "Facet Part No. FP-40108." (Wicks) - Jay in Dallas
      
      Bob Duns <rduns@sasktel.net> wrote:
      
      >Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps that WW now
      recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system.  He is now using an electric
      primary and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the mechanical primary and electric
      backup. Apparently these are listed in his new 601 installation manual that
      is being distributed.
      >
      >Bob D.
      >601HD/Corvair
      >Melfort, SK
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: HDS Zodiac for sale | 
      
      
      Paul,
           Take a look at some of your pictures.  Some of them show the camera way 
      too high showing the sky and no airplane.
      
      Tracy Stone
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
      Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:23 AM
      Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale
      
      
      >
      > Hi List,
      >
      > I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her
      > these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be 
      > an
      > aircraft owner nor a pilot.  She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with 
      > a
      > very nice lineup of instruments and features.  I have her advertised on
      > Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and
      > provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl .  If you
      > know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr 
      > aircraft
      > with lots of nice features, please send them to my website.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Paul Hartl, N414PZ
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      All, The way the article kindof reads, is this might be the CH750 that 
      we had heard rumors about, around 1-1/2 years ago.
      There were indications that it was about 10-15% bigger than the 701, and 
      would fit the LSA requirements closer than the 701 does now, (for speed 
      and Gross Weight)
      
      I guess we will just have to wait and see.
      
      Take care, all of you going to OSH, and think about us that are unable 
      to go. (like me) it never fails, I have TDY travel about this time every 
      year for the last 12 years. Go figure.
      
      Keith
      CH701 -- 8% scratch
      N 38.9947
      W 105.1305
      Alt. 9,100'
      
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      Mitch Hodges wrote:
      
      >
      >Let's try this again.  Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send
      it through to the list...
      >
      >If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at 
      >
      >http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html 
      >
      >Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. 
      >
      >Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. 
      >
      >Mitch Hodges
      >
      >--------
      >N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
      >Wings Under Construction
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124755#124755
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Faucet fuel pump | 
      
      
      There is an updated yet not complete version I got right before WW went on vacation.
      
      [quote="601zv(at)ritternet.com"]I believe they are Facet #40108. 
       Do you know that the long promised 601 FWF manual  is actually being ditributed,
      as in anyone really receiving one?
      
      >    ---
      
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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      I check my level by switching ends on the same surface. Do you folks 
      think that would work? I never have asked an expert about that yet 
      (since I thought about that in 1958 and ended up in a big argument). If 
      the bubble is in the same place ok, if not you have an error? right?? 
      Mil  
      
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      Yes, your method is absolutely correct.
      
      If there is an imperfection in the glass tube the bubble should hang up  
      there; since the sample location does not change, but the bubble DOES, it's time
      
      to get a new level.
      
      I always check my level at first use as well.  
      
      I can't imagine what the arguement could be.....
      
      Tracy
      
      
      In a message dated 7/19/2007 12:57:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
      milreed@wildblue.net writes:
      
      I check my level by switching ends on the  same surface. Do you folks think 
      that would work? I never have asked an  expert about that yet (since I thought
      
      about that in 1958 and ended  up in a big argument). If the bubble is in the 
      same place ok, if not you have  an error? right?? 
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| Subject:  | CH640: Findings at 2nd condition inspection | 
      
      
      I just completed the second condition inspection on my CH640. I have 450 hours
      on the tach. Everything looked good except for a few items requiring attention.
      If anyone is interested, here is what I found.
        1. New brake pads. I probably could have gone another 6 months, but figured I
      might as well change them now. This was the first set of pads. The original tires
      are still fine.
      
        2. There are 2 panels on the aft side fuselage which cover the elevator trim
      mechanism. On the ground there is good clearance between these panels and an underlying
      bracket that attaches the trim tabs to the trim tab bellcrank. However,
      in flight they must be bowing in enough to rub on the bracket and have etched
      a groove on one side of the bracket. I am going to put in a new bracket and
      put a 1/8" piece of teflon on the bracket to prevent wear in the future.
      
        3. The front spinner bulkhead had a crack extending from one of the screw holes
      inward and 1/3 of the way around the bulkhead. I had noticed the last few flights
      that at some rpm's there was a bit more vibration than I am used to. I
      am going to replace the bulkhead. Interestingly, I took a flight this morning
      without the spinner to see how much difference it made. To my surprise I couldn't
      detect a difference in speed with a quick run at 4500 feet, and CHT's were
      a bit lower. Even though it looks ugly, I may just fly without a spinner for
      a while.
      
       4. The throttle cable was not pushing the throttle all the way to the stop at
      full power. It was a very small gap, but every little bit of power helps. I just
      adjusted the linkage.
      
      That's it. Now I can get back to flying.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124799#124799
      
      
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| Subject:  | HDS Zodiac for sale | 
      
      
      Tracy:  I went through all of the pictures and they are fine.  What is
      confusing is the same picture is tiled 4 times on the same page.
      
      
      Paul Riedlinger
      paulried@rogers.com
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone
      Sent: July-19-07 11:41 AM
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale
      
      
      Paul,
           Take a look at some of your pictures.  Some of them show the camera way
      
      too high showing the sky and no airplane.
      
      Tracy Stone
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox.net>
      Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:23 AM
      Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale
      
      
      >
      > Hi List,
      >
      > I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her
      > these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be 
      > an
      > aircraft owner nor a pilot.  She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with
      
      > a
      > very nice lineup of instruments and features.  I have her advertised on
      > Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and
      > provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl .  If you
      > know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr 
      > aircraft
      > with lots of nice features, please send them to my website.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Paul Hartl, N414PZ
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re:Vaporlock issues - lessons learned | 
      
      >From what I find, if you burn 100LL, your fuel system could be a rip-off of 
      any certified low wing single. When you burn auto-gas, its higher vapor 
      pressure can cause vapor lock. Your truck burns fuel blended for your area and
      
      season. Put a winter blend in a plane and climb to altitude and it starts to "boil
      
      off" vapor. 100LL has a low vapor pressure. You need to preheat an engine using
      
      100LL in cold weather just to get it started, however your truck starts right 
      up. The typical certified "pressure system" with a single boost pump ahead of 
      the firewall actually sucks fuel from whatever distance from the selected 
      tank. The several sources for auto fuel STC's (Maule, EAA and Peterson Aviation
      
      usually require modifications to combat vapor lock. Peterson 
      (http://autofuelstc.com) has a page for homebuilder guidance. Also more info about fuel than you 
      can digest. He suggest boost pumps in or near the tanks to push fuel and 
      vapor through the lines. Of course there is more to it than this. This could be
      a 
      possible scenario: Flying at altitude on a hot day with autogas in the tanks. 
      You empty one tank and (using your check list to eliminate human error) you 
      select the other tank. One pump is turned off and the other pump is turned on.
      
      The bad news is that the pump on the full tank has failed. Empty tank with a 
      good pump and full tank with a bad pump. Your engine driven pump may or may not
      
      provide enough suction to overcome any vapor and still feed the engine. If 
      possible, descend or land as soon as practicable. It would be nice to have a LOW
      
      FUEL PRES warning light for each pump in addition to the single fuel pressure 
      gauge at the carb. You may not notice the load meter not indicating the draw 
      from the pump. Back when I was "flying for the man" I flew some types that had
      
      an interconnect between tanks. You opened a solenoid operated valve and 
      gravity leveled the tanks in a few minutes. Could be done on a 601easily by T ing
      
      into the line at each tank and putting a simple valve at the lowest point in the
      
      cockpit. But that complicates things. AC 43.13-1B Ch 8, Sec 2 says little 
      about fuel system design. I like a text that went out of print in 1967. Aerospace
      
      Propulsion Powerplants by Cargnino has a detailed but dated coverage on fuel 
      systems. (Amazon $1.48 used)
      Do not archive
      Bob 601XL / Lyc O 235 C2C w/ 6.75 to 1 comp ratio- could run on rotgut 
      whiskey
      Do not archive 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Faucet fuel pump, 601 FWF manual | 
      
      Thanks for quick reply to my query for faucet fuel pump model number.
      
      I had talked to WW last week and he advised that his new FWD 601 manual was at
      the printers and would provide part numbers.  ( Wanted the part number now so
      I can order with other parts that I need.)
      
      Thanks again,
      
      Bob D.
      601HD/Corvair
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned | 
      
      
      I stand corrected. I don't recall encountering one with this setup.
      
      Trainnut01@aol.com wrote:
      > Bryan
      > Back in the 70"s there were some carbureted cars that did have a tank 
      > return line specifically to prevent vapor lock. 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      -- 
      Bryan Martin
      Zenith 601XL N61BM
      Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
      Do Not Archive
      
      
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      Greetings Gentlemen,
      
      I am a new 701 builder.  I will be picking up my full kit on the 31st.  I have
      decided to start out with the 582 engine (already have one).  I am interested
      in any motor mounts or other FWF items that may be for sale.  Installation photos,
      tips and comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
      
      This is my first build and I intend to be flying in one year.  The shop is ready
      and I can't wait.
      
      I have some toys that need to find new homes, to help fund the Zenith.  Please
      help me find buyers for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, both registered
      as ELSA and in excellent condition.  Located in North Central Arkansas.
      I am a very motivated seller at this time.
      
      Thank you,
      Richard Craig
      rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
      do not archive
      
      --------
      R Craig
      North Central Arkansas
      Future 701 Builder
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124829#124829
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: New 701 coming! | 
      
      
      Welcome from a fellow Arkansan. Where in NC Arkansas are you? I'm down in El Dorado
      (South Central).
      
      I think you might find that the 582 will leave you with a woefully underpowered
      701.
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124840#124840
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: New 701 coming! | 
      
      
      Just came back from the Zenith Factory in MO and had a chance to fly the 701 
      with Roger ( great bunch of folks there by the way ! ). He said the 701 
      performed well when the 582 was installed.  Admittedly it won't have the 
      "umph" of some of the higher hp installations but then again we ar'nt 
      building a speed demon ! Hope he's right as I'm installing the 582 bluehead 
      in mine.
      Peter- scratch building in Ontario, Canada.
      
      
      >From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
      >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New 701 coming!
      >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:28:30 -0700
      >
      ><wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
      >
      >Welcome from a fellow Arkansan. Where in NC Arkansas are you? I'm down in 
      >El Dorado (South Central).
      >
      >I think you might find that the 582 will leave you with a woefully 
      >underpowered 701.
      >
      >--------
      >W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      >601XL Under Construction
      >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124840#124840
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: New 701 coming! | 
      
      Welcome Richard,
      It is great to add another builder to this gathering. Good Luck and God Speed.
      Check out my webpage at: http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/
      
      Rob
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: ProWash <rcraigcraig@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:34:20 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: New 701 coming!
      
      
      
      Greetings Gentlemen,
      
      I am a new 701 builder.  I will be picking up my full kit on the 31st.  I have
      decided to start out with the 582 engine (already have one).  I am interested
      in any motor mounts or other FWF items that may be for sale.  Installation photos,
      tips and comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
      
      This is my first build and I intend to be flying in one year.  The shop is ready
      and I can't wait.
      
      I have some toys that need to find new homes, to help fund the Zenith.  Please
      help me find buyers for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, both registered
      as ELSA and in excellent condition.  Located in North Central Arkansas.
      I am a very motivated seller at this time.
      
      Thank you,
      Richard Craig
      rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
      do not archive
      
      --------
      R Craig
      North Central Arkansas
      Future 701 Builder
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124829#124829
      
      
             
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| Subject:  | Re: New 701 coming! | 
      
      
      Hi Richard, welcome to the group.  I expect you will
      really enjoy building your CH-701 kit.  I'm scratch
      building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every
      minute of it.
      
      I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the
      power of the 582.  The original prototype 701 did fly
      on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind
      of gained weight right along with the rest of us North
      Americans.  I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going
      to get the job done.
      
      Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't
      up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a
      912.  While you will definiately pay a power penalty,
      the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should
      offset things.
      
      Best of luck with your build.  You've already found
      one of the best resources for building a Zenith
      product, this list.
      
      Doug MacDonald
      CH-701 Scratch Builder
      NW Ontario, Canada
      
      --- ProWash <rcraigcraig@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      > <rcraigcraig@yahoo.com>
      > 
      > Greetings Gentlemen,
      > 
      > I am a new 701 builder.  I will be picking up my
      > full kit on the 31st.  I have decided to start out
      > with the 582 engine (already have one).  I am
      > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items
      > that may be for sale.  Installation photos, tips and
      > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
      > 
      > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in
      > one year.  The shop is ready and I can't wait.
      > 
      > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to
      > help fund the Zenith.  Please help me find buyers
      > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute,
      > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. 
      > Located in North Central Arkansas.  I am a very
      > motivated seller at this time.
      > 
      > Thank you,
      > Richard Craig
      > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
      > do not archive
      > 
      > --------
      > R Craig
      > North Central Arkansas
      > Future 701 Builder
      > 
      
      
             
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| Subject:  | I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others have
      said they keep getting mail after they have tried.
         
        I want off this FUCKING list ...   Hope this works...
         
         
         
         
         
         
      
      MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will
      really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch
      building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every
      minute of it.
      
      I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the
      power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly
      on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind
      of gained weight right along with the rest of us North
      Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going
      to get the job done.
      
      Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't
      up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a
      912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty,
      the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should
      offset things.
      
      Best of luck with your build. You've already found
      one of the best resources for building a Zenith
      product, this list.
      
      Doug MacDonald
      CH-701 Scratch Builder
      NW Ontario, Canada
      
      --- ProWash wrote:
      
      > 
      > 
      > Greetings Gentlemen,
      > 
      > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my
      > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out
      > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am
      > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items
      > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and
      > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
      > 
      > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in
      > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait.
      > 
      > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to
      > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers
      > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute,
      > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. 
      > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very
      > motivated seller at this time.
      > 
      > Thank you,
      > Richard Craig
      > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
      > do not archive
      > 
      > --------
      > R Craig
      > North Central Arkansas
      > Future 701 Builder
      > 
      
      
      Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. 
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| Subject:  | Re: I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      Hello Ron:
          
          I went through the process and I think I have "unsubscribed" you.  
      Please complete the last step as requested below from the Zenith-List 
      site:
      
      
      A web link was just emailed to:
      
      "r56c1@yahoo.com"
      
      Please open your email client and click on this web link. This will 
      complete the Subscription/Unsubscription process and update this window 
      with the new Subscription results.
      
      Thank you!
      
      
      No need to thank me, never hearing from you again will be thanks enough.
      
      Best of luck in your future endeavors
      
      Randy, Las Vegas
      
      
        Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group
      
      
        I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and 
      others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried.
      
        I want off this FUCKING list ...   Hope this works...
      
      
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| Subject:  | I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      Yeah, swearing always works in place of reading the bottom of every message
      on how to unsubscribe........ I tell my kids that is the way to get ahead in
      the world....
      
      
      Paul Riedlinger
      
      paulried@rogers.com
      
      
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron hoskins
      Sent: July-19-07 8:39 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group
      
      
      I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others
      have said they keep getting mail after they have tried.
      
      
      I want off this FUCKING list ...   Hope this works...
      
      
      MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      
      Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will
      really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch
      building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every
      minute of it.
      
      I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the
      power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly
      on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind
      of gained weight right along with the rest of us North
      Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going
      to get the job done.
      
      Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't
      up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a
      912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty,
      the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should
      offset things.
      
      Best of luck with your build. You've already found
      one of the best resources for building a Zenith
      product, this list.
      
      Doug MacDonald
      CH-701 Scratch Builder
      NW Ontario, Canada
      
      --- ProWash wrote:
      
      > 
      > 
      > Greetings Gentlemen,
      > 
      > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my
      > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out
      > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am
      > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items
      > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and
      > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
      > 
      > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in
      > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait.
      > 
      > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to
      > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers
      > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute,
      > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. 
      > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very
      > motivated seller at this time.
      > 
      > Thank you,
      > Richard Craig
      > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
      > do not archive
      > 
      > --------
      > R Craig
      > North Central Arkansas
      > Future 701 Builder
      > 
      
      
      Pinpoint customers who are 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      Sure hope you make it, Ron.
      
      Do not archive
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: ron hoskins 
        To: zenith-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:39 PM
        Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group
      
      
        I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and 
      others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried.
      
        I want off this FUCKING list ...   Hope this works...
      
      
        MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
          Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will
          really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch
          building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every
          minute of it.
      
          I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the
          power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly
          on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind
          of gained weight right along with the rest of us North
          Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going
          to get the job done.
      
          Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't
          up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a
          912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty,
          the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should
          offset things.
      
          Best of luck with your build. You've already found
          one of the best resources for building a Zenith
          product, this list.
      
          Doug MacDonald
          CH-701 Scratch Builder
          NW Ontario, Canada
      
          --- ProWash wrote:
      
          > 
          > 
          > Greetings Gentlemen,
          > 
          > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my
          > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out
          > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am
          > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items
          > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and
          > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated.
          > 
          > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in
          > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait.
          > 
          > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to
          > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers
          > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute,
          > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. 
          > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very
          > motivated seller at this time.
          > 
          > Thank you,
          > Richard Craig
          > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com
          > do not archive
          > 
          > --------
          > R Craig
          > North Central Arkansas
          > Future 701 Builder
          > 
      
      
          Pinpoint customers who are 
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      I think there might be a misconception about the 40108 Facet fuel  pump.  The 
      40108 Facet pump does NOT have a check valve in  it.  See the specs on their 
      web site:
      
      _http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp_ 
      (http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp) 
      
      I am using two of them...one on each wing tank.  If I start with an  empty 
      tank on the left hand side...and run the right fuel pump, it pumps fuel  into 
      the left tank.  I'm not sure if this is a problem or not.  It  seems to supply
      
      the carburetor (MA3-SPA) just fine...but it also transfers fuel  to the other 
      tank.  Has anyone else noted this?  I'm wondering if the  40147 or 40148 might
      
      work as well, or better.  Does anyone know of another  supplier, besides 
      Aircraft Spruce?
      
      Dave
      601XL/Corvair
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      Well, I want a ******* pony but at least I am not being  crude  about it  on 
      an Aviation discussion thread.
      Do not archive
      
      "I want out off"
      Please, move away from the aircraft... 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: I want out off this Fucking group | 
      
      Ron -
      
      If the unsubscribe doesn't work for you then you might consider setting up a
      mail filter.  You can have yahoo mail automatically move any message that
      was sent to zenith-list@matronics.com in to the trash folder.  Creating
      filters seems to be broken in the new yahoo mail beta but it works in the
      old 'classic' yahoo mail interface.
      
      In the old yahoo mail interface, see "Options", "Mail", "Filters", click the
      "Add" button, paste "zenith-list@matronics.com" in to the "To/Cc header"
      edit box and go from there.  This may not be as satisfying as actually
      getting off the list but at least you won't see all the messages.  You can
      switch back to the yahoo mail beta after creating the filter and it should
      continue to work.
      
      Or you can continue to swear at all the members of this community and get
      flamed.
      
      Dave
      
      
      On 7/19/07, Joemotis@aol.com <Joemotis@aol.com> wrote:
      >
      >  Well, I want a ******* pony but at least I am not being  crude about it
      > on an Aviation discussion thread.
      > Do not archive
      >
      > "I want out off"
      > Please, move away from the aircraft...
      >
      >
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      >"I want out off"
      >Please, move away from the aircraft... 
      
      I have unsubscribed him.
      
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