---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/19/07: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:20 AM - AMD Patriot (Jeff Small) 2. 03:34 AM - Re: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (Trainnut01@aol.com) 3. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: Leveling (Paul Mulwitz) 4. 05:37 AM - Re: First flight... not so good (steveadams) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (dfmoeller) 6. 06:07 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Mitch Hodges) 7. 07:18 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Mitch Hodges) 8. 07:24 AM - HDS Zodiac for sale (Paul Hartl) 9. 07:27 AM - Faucet fuel pump (Bob Duns) 10. 07:47 AM - Re: 701 Pitch Control Rod Installation (txpilot) 11. 07:55 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Robin Bellach) 12. 07:59 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 08:42 AM - Re: HDS Zodiac for sale (robert stone) 14. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Keith Ashcraft) 15. 09:29 AM - Re: Faucet fuel pump (Gig Giacona) 16. 10:56 AM - Re: Leveling (milreed) 17. 11:04 AM - Re: Leveling (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 18. 11:07 AM - CH640: Findings at 2nd condition inspection (steveadams) 19. 11:10 AM - Re: HDS Zodiac for sale (Paul Riedlinger) 20. 12:00 PM - Re:Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (MaxNr@aol.com) 21. 12:12 PM - Faucet fuel pump, 601 FWF manual (Bob Duns) 22. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned (Bryan Martin) 23. 01:34 PM - New 701 coming! (ProWash) 24. 02:30 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (Gig Giacona) 25. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: New 701 coming! (Peter Dolamore) 26. 02:56 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (Robert Hansen) 27. 04:17 PM - Re: New 701 coming! (MacDonald Doug) 28. 05:44 PM - I want out off this Fucking group (ron hoskins) 29. 06:15 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Randy L. Thwing) 30. 06:42 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Paul Riedlinger) 31. 06:59 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (George Swinford) 32. 07:43 PM - Facet fuel pump (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 33. 07:51 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Joemotis@aol.com) 34. 08:25 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (David Brooks) 35. 08:36 PM - Re: I want out off this Fucking group (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:41 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot If you get the AOPA Pilot magazine there's an article on the mew LSA design from Chris. Called the Patriot, it differs from traditional CH designs by having a vertical stabilizer/rudder instead of the all-flying rudder we're are used to seeing. Quite an attractive a/c, not like the 701 (not that the 701 doesn't have its charms). High-wing, almost 33 foot span, 118 kt cruise, stall (clean) at 40 kts, price to be in $90 to $95K range. Looks better than the Cessna LSA offering to me. Should be at OSH. do not archive jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:52 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned Bryan Back in the 70"s there were some carbureted cars that did have a tank return line specifically to prevent vapor lock. These cars had mechanical fuel pumps on the engine, and inline fuel filters between the pump and the carb. That fuel filter had a third, smaller, barb on it that connected to a fuel tank return line. I worked in both Buick and Oldsmobile shops during that time and I remember the Oldsmobiles having this setup but I'm not sure about the Buicks. (I Suffer from CRS) Carroll Jernigan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:57 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Leveling At 11:09 AM 7/18/2007, you wrote: >If you see me flying by all catty-whompus (warning: technical term) >then I guess I did it all wrong. I will not know how it flies for >another year or two though. Actually, I learned many years ago when trying to learn RC airplane piloting that anything will fly. After the first few major crashes, my airplanes tended to be very crooked contraptions held together by large globs of epoxy glue. They still flew just fine. Well, perhaps their airspeed wasn't quite as good as when they were new. For leveling my work bench I used one of the home depot style laser levels. I used this to insert shims under 2 x 4 cross pieces on top of my work bench. This gave me a 12 foot long by four foot wide work space where the top edges of the 2 x 4s were level to within 1 mm throughout. Paul XL fuselage do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight... not so good From: "steveadams" I am sorry to see this accident, but am glad the pilot is OK, which is the most important thing. I was interested in how close he was to the airport when the happenned so I pulled up the following photomap http://maps.yahoo.com/broadband/index.php#mvt=s&q1=3441%20Citrine%20Ln,%20Rosamond,%20CA%2093560-6813&trf=0&lon=-118.192549&lat=34.870158&mag=5 It looks like he was only about 2000 feet short of the runway. I don't know if he was in the pattern coming around for landing or had engine problems and was just trying to make the airport, but it does bring up one of my pet peeves. The following are just general comments and I am not in any way casting doubts on the pilot or his preparation in this accident. Most of the time when I fly a pattern I stay within gliding range of the runway, and was very anal about it during test flights. While a long, on the glideslope, power on approach is appropriate for many larger aircraft or in IMC conditions, with these aircraft there is no reason not to be in a position to glide to the runway from most anywhere in the pattern once you get enough altitude. Though problems rarely happen, they are much more likely to happen in the first few flights, so fly them as if you will lose power at any time. Before your first flight, go up and do a bunch of engine out practice, from different locations in the pattern and from altitude, until you can nail it every time. Throughout you initial test flights, get altitude as quickly as you can and never be out of gliding range to the runway. Scout out the area surrounding the airport and have a distinct plan for exactly where you will put it down in the event you lose power before getting enough altitude to make the runway. Don't put the extra burden of having to think about it if it happens, just follow through on what you had already planned. Mechanical problems and fuel problems do happen at a relatively high rate during the initial test flights, but in most cases they shouldn't have to result in bent metal or worse. Steve Adams CH640 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124739#124739 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "dfmoeller" Can you do a scan and post a pic? I can't find a single reference to it on ZAC/s or AMD's websites, although I see it listed as an Oshkosh attraction. I'm very curious! Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124742#124742 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "Mitch Hodges" If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124744#124744 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "Mitch Hodges" Let's try this again. Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send it through to the list... If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. Mitch Hodges -------- N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) Wings Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124755#124755 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:15 AM PST US From: "Paul Hartl" Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale Hi List, I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be an aircraft owner nor a pilot. She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with a very nice lineup of instruments and features. I have her advertised on Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl . If you know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr aircraft with lots of nice features, please send them to my website. Thanks, Paul Hartl, N414PZ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:55 AM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps that WW now recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system. He is now using an electric primary and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the mechanical primary and electric backup. Apparently these are listed in his new 601 installation manual that is being distributed. Bob D. 601HD/Corvair Melfort, SK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Pitch Control Rod Installation From: "txpilot" > Dan, > What is the length of your pitch control rod? > > Seems that's where the amount of travel is also controlled. The plans > call for 665mm but I think that's too much. > > I looked at a CZAW built plane last week. The control rod was about 585mm. It didn't touch the seat back nor did the end travel back into the seat front oblong hole. > I haven't even cut it to length yet. I simply matched the tube with the bellcrank when both the stick and bellcrank were neutral (vertical). I knew I was in trouble with the seat front clearance just by eyeballing it. The plans indicate "685mm (check stick neutral)". In my original kit plans dated 1/96, it shows "700mm (cut to fit stick neutral)". I guess the intent is to give you enough material to cut it to the size you want, although that's not really spelled out in the latest drawings. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124763#124763 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:24 AM PST US From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump I believe they are Facet #40108. Do you know that the long promised 601 FWF manual is actually being ditributed, as in anyone really receiving one? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duns To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps that WW now recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system. He is now using an electric primary and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the mechanical primary and electric backup. Apparently these are listed in his new 601 installation manual that is being distributed. Bob D. 601HD/Corvair Melfort, SK ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:06 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump Bob, WW's manual says "Facet Part No. FP-40108." (Wicks) - Jay in Dallas Bob Duns wrote: >Can anyone advise the model or part number for the faucet fuel pumps that WW now recommends for the 601XL/Corvair fuel system. He is now using an electric primary and backup faucet fuel pump instead of the mechanical primary and electric backup. Apparently these are listed in his new 601 installation manual that is being distributed. > >Bob D. >601HD/Corvair >Melfort, SK > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:46 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale Paul, Take a look at some of your pictures. Some of them show the camera way too high showing the sky and no airplane. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hartl" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale > > Hi List, > > I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her > these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be > an > aircraft owner nor a pilot. She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with > a > very nice lineup of instruments and features. I have her advertised on > Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and > provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl . If you > know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr > aircraft > with lots of nice features, please send them to my website. > > Thanks, > Paul Hartl, N414PZ > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:56 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot All, The way the article kindof reads, is this might be the CH750 that we had heard rumors about, around 1-1/2 years ago. There were indications that it was about 10-15% bigger than the 701, and would fit the LSA requirements closer than the 701 does now, (for speed and Gross Weight) I guess we will just have to wait and see. Take care, all of you going to OSH, and think about us that are unable to go. (like me) it never fails, I have TDY travel about this time every year for the last 12 years. Go figure. Keith CH701 -- 8% scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ********************************************************************************************** Mitch Hodges wrote: > >Let's try this again. Looks like the forum strips out tagged URL's when you send it through to the list... > >If you are an AOPA member, the article is available online at > >http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2007/sport0708.html > >Don't know if that will work for non-AOPA members. > >Unfortunately, there is no photo with the article online. > >Mitch Hodges > >-------- >N601MH (Zenith 601HDS) >Wings Under Construction > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124755#124755 > > > > -- *************************************** *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ******************************************************************* ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Faucet fuel pump From: "Gig Giacona" There is an updated yet not complete version I got right before WW went on vacation. [quote="601zv(at)ritternet.com"]I believe they are Facet #40108. Do you know that the long promised 601 FWF manual is actually being ditributed, as in anyone really receiving one? > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124786#124786 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:31 AM PST US From: "milreed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Leveling I check my level by switching ends on the same surface. Do you folks think that would work? I never have asked an expert about that yet (since I thought about that in 1958 and ended up in a big argument). If the bubble is in the same place ok, if not you have an error? right?? Mil ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:14 AM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Leveling Yes, your method is absolutely correct. If there is an imperfection in the glass tube the bubble should hang up there; since the sample location does not change, but the bubble DOES, it's time to get a new level. I always check my level at first use as well. I can't imagine what the arguement could be..... Tracy In a message dated 7/19/2007 12:57:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, milreed@wildblue.net writes: I check my level by switching ends on the same surface. Do you folks think that would work? I never have asked an expert about that yet (since I thought about that in 1958 and ended up in a big argument). If the bubble is in the same place ok, if not you have an error? right?? Mil ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH640: Findings at 2nd condition inspection From: "steveadams" I just completed the second condition inspection on my CH640. I have 450 hours on the tach. Everything looked good except for a few items requiring attention. If anyone is interested, here is what I found. 1. New brake pads. I probably could have gone another 6 months, but figured I might as well change them now. This was the first set of pads. The original tires are still fine. 2. There are 2 panels on the aft side fuselage which cover the elevator trim mechanism. On the ground there is good clearance between these panels and an underlying bracket that attaches the trim tabs to the trim tab bellcrank. However, in flight they must be bowing in enough to rub on the bracket and have etched a groove on one side of the bracket. I am going to put in a new bracket and put a 1/8" piece of teflon on the bracket to prevent wear in the future. 3. The front spinner bulkhead had a crack extending from one of the screw holes inward and 1/3 of the way around the bulkhead. I had noticed the last few flights that at some rpm's there was a bit more vibration than I am used to. I am going to replace the bulkhead. Interestingly, I took a flight this morning without the spinner to see how much difference it made. To my surprise I couldn't detect a difference in speed with a quick run at 4500 feet, and CHT's were a bit lower. Even though it looks ugly, I may just fly without a spinner for a while. 4. The throttle cable was not pushing the throttle all the way to the stop at full power. It was a very small gap, but every little bit of power helps. I just adjusted the linkage. That's it. Now I can get back to flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124799#124799 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:43 AM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale Tracy: I went through all of the pictures and they are fine. What is confusing is the same picture is tiled 4 times on the same page. Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone Sent: July-19-07 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale Paul, Take a look at some of your pictures. Some of them show the camera way too high showing the sky and no airplane. Tracy Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hartl" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Zodiac for sale > > Hi List, > > I am selling my Jab-powered, Dynon-equipped Zodiac HDS after flying her > these last two years and discovering that I no longer feel the need to be > an > aircraft owner nor a pilot. She's great little Zodiac, just painted, with > a > very nice lineup of instruments and features. I have her advertised on > Barnstormers, and have also set up my own website to show her off and > provide further information, at http://members.cox.net/paulhartl . If you > know anyone interested in a great (and great-looking) little 100-hr > aircraft > with lots of nice features, please send them to my website. > > Thanks, > Paul Hartl, N414PZ > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:43 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Vaporlock issues - lessons learned >From what I find, if you burn 100LL, your fuel system could be a rip-off of any certified low wing single. When you burn auto-gas, its higher vapor pressure can cause vapor lock. Your truck burns fuel blended for your area and season. Put a winter blend in a plane and climb to altitude and it starts to "boil off" vapor. 100LL has a low vapor pressure. You need to preheat an engine using 100LL in cold weather just to get it started, however your truck starts right up. The typical certified "pressure system" with a single boost pump ahead of the firewall actually sucks fuel from whatever distance from the selected tank. The several sources for auto fuel STC's (Maule, EAA and Peterson Aviation usually require modifications to combat vapor lock. Peterson (http://autofuelstc.com) has a page for homebuilder guidance. Also more info about fuel than you can digest. He suggest boost pumps in or near the tanks to push fuel and vapor through the lines. Of course there is more to it than this. This could be a possible scenario: Flying at altitude on a hot day with autogas in the tanks. You empty one tank and (using your check list to eliminate human error) you select the other tank. One pump is turned off and the other pump is turned on. The bad news is that the pump on the full tank has failed. Empty tank with a good pump and full tank with a bad pump. Your engine driven pump may or may not provide enough suction to overcome any vapor and still feed the engine. If possible, descend or land as soon as practicable. It would be nice to have a LOW FUEL PRES warning light for each pump in addition to the single fuel pressure gauge at the carb. You may not notice the load meter not indicating the draw from the pump. Back when I was "flying for the man" I flew some types that had an interconnect between tanks. You opened a solenoid operated valve and gravity leveled the tanks in a few minutes. Could be done on a 601easily by T ing into the line at each tank and putting a simple valve at the lowest point in the cockpit. But that complicates things. AC 43.13-1B Ch 8, Sec 2 says little about fuel system design. I like a text that went out of print in 1967. Aerospace Propulsion Powerplants by Cargnino has a detailed but dated coverage on fuel systems. (Amazon $1.48 used) Do not archive Bob 601XL / Lyc O 235 C2C w/ 6.75 to 1 comp ratio- could run on rotgut whiskey Do not archive ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:30 PM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Zenith-List: Faucet fuel pump, 601 FWF manual Thanks for quick reply to my query for faucet fuel pump model number. I had talked to WW last week and he advised that his new FWD 601 manual was at the printers and would provide part numbers. ( Wanted the part number now so I can order with other parts that I need.) Thanks again, Bob D. 601HD/Corvair ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:11 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Vaporlock issues - lessons learned I stand corrected. I don't recall encountering one with this setup. Trainnut01@aol.com wrote: > Bryan > Back in the 70"s there were some carbureted cars that did have a tank > return line specifically to prevent vapor lock. > > > -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: New 701 coming! From: "ProWash" Greetings Gentlemen, I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out with the 582 engine (already have one). I am interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. This is my first build and I intend to be flying in one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. I have some toys that need to find new homes, to help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very motivated seller at this time. Thank you, Richard Craig rcraigcraig@yahoo.com do not archive -------- R Craig North Central Arkansas Future 701 Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124829#124829 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New 701 coming! From: "Gig Giacona" Welcome from a fellow Arkansan. Where in NC Arkansas are you? I'm down in El Dorado (South Central). I think you might find that the 582 will leave you with a woefully underpowered 701. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124840#124840 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:02 PM PST US From: "Peter Dolamore" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: New 701 coming! Just came back from the Zenith Factory in MO and had a chance to fly the 701 with Roger ( great bunch of folks there by the way ! ). He said the 701 performed well when the 582 was installed. Admittedly it won't have the "umph" of some of the higher hp installations but then again we ar'nt building a speed demon ! Hope he's right as I'm installing the 582 bluehead in mine. Peter- scratch building in Ontario, Canada. >From: "Gig Giacona" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New 701 coming! >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:28:30 -0700 > > > >Welcome from a fellow Arkansan. Where in NC Arkansas are you? I'm down in >El Dorado (South Central). > >I think you might find that the 582 will leave you with a woefully >underpowered 701. > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124840#124840 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:25 PM PST US From: Robert Hansen Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 701 coming! Welcome Richard, It is great to add another builder to this gathering. Good Luck and God Speed. Check out my webpage at: http://websites.expercraft.com/rhansen/ Rob ----- Original Message ---- From: ProWash Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:34:20 PM Subject: Zenith-List: New 701 coming! Greetings Gentlemen, I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out with the 582 engine (already have one). I am interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. This is my first build and I intend to be flying in one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. I have some toys that need to find new homes, to help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very motivated seller at this time. Thank you, Richard Craig rcraigcraig@yahoo.com do not archive -------- R Craig North Central Arkansas Future 701 Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124829#124829 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:22 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 701 coming! Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every minute of it. I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind of gained weight right along with the rest of us North Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going to get the job done. Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a 912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty, the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should offset things. Best of luck with your build. You've already found one of the best resources for building a Zenith product, this list. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- ProWash wrote: > > > Greetings Gentlemen, > > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. > > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. > > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very > motivated seller at this time. > > Thank you, > Richard Craig > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com > do not archive > > -------- > R Craig > North Central Arkansas > Future 701 Builder > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:15 PM PST US From: ron hoskins Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried. I want off this FUCKING list ... Hope this works... MacDonald Doug wrote: Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every minute of it. I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind of gained weight right along with the rest of us North Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going to get the job done. Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a 912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty, the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should offset things. Best of luck with your build. You've already found one of the best resources for building a Zenith product, this list. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- ProWash wrote: > > > Greetings Gentlemen, > > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. > > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. > > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very > motivated seller at this time. > > Thank you, > Richard Craig > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com > do not archive > > -------- > R Craig > North Central Arkansas > Future 701 Builder > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:10 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group Hello Ron: I went through the process and I think I have "unsubscribed" you. Please complete the last step as requested below from the Zenith-List site: A web link was just emailed to: "r56c1@yahoo.com" Please open your email client and click on this web link. This will complete the Subscription/Unsubscription process and update this window with the new Subscription results. Thank you! No need to thank me, never hearing from you again will be thanks enough. Best of luck in your future endeavors Randy, Las Vegas Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried. I want off this FUCKING list ... Hope this works... ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group Yeah, swearing always works in place of reading the bottom of every message on how to unsubscribe........ I tell my kids that is the way to get ahead in the world.... Paul Riedlinger paulried@rogers.com From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron hoskins Sent: July-19-07 8:39 PM Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried. I want off this FUCKING list ... Hope this works... MacDonald Doug wrote: Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every minute of it. I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind of gained weight right along with the rest of us North Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going to get the job done. Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a 912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty, the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should offset things. Best of luck with your build. You've already found one of the best resources for building a Zenith product, this list. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- ProWash wrote: > > > Greetings Gentlemen, > > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. > > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. > > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very > motivated seller at this time. > > Thank you, > Richard Craig > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com > do not archive > > -------- > R Craig > North Central Arkansas > Future 701 Builder > Pinpoint customers who are _____ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:55 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group Sure hope you make it, Ron. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ron hoskins To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group I have tried to unsubscibed from this group and it doesent work and others have said they keep getting mail after they have tried. I want off this FUCKING list ... Hope this works... MacDonald Doug wrote: Hi Richard, welcome to the group. I expect you will really enjoy building your CH-701 kit. I'm scratch building my 701 and am thoroughly enjoying every minute of it. I have to admit that I share Gig's concern about the power of the 582. The original prototype 701 did fly on a 503 but the current rendition of the 701 has kind of gained weight right along with the rest of us North Americans. I'm not sure that the 582 is quite going to get the job done. Of course, you can always try the 582 and if it isn't up the job, sell it off as a down payment toward a 912. While you will definiately pay a power penalty, the 582 is a bit lighter than the 912 so that should offset things. Best of luck with your build. You've already found one of the best resources for building a Zenith product, this list. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- ProWash wrote: > > > Greetings Gentlemen, > > I am a new 701 builder. I will be picking up my > full kit on the 31st. I have decided to start out > with the 582 engine (already have one). I am > interested in any motor mounts or other FWF items > that may be for sale. Installation photos, tips and > comments regarding the 582 will be appreciated. > > This is my first build and I intend to be flying in > one year. The shop is ready and I can't wait. > > I have some toys that need to find new homes, to > help fund the Zenith. Please help me find buyers > for a Challeger I and a Destiny powered parachute, > both registered as ELSA and in excellent condition. > Located in North Central Arkansas. I am a very > motivated seller at this time. > > Thank you, > Richard Craig > rcraigcraig@yahoo.com > do not archive > > -------- > R Craig > North Central Arkansas > Future 701 Builder > Pinpoint customers who are ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 7/18/2007 3:30 PM ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:02 PM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Facet fuel pump I think there might be a misconception about the 40108 Facet fuel pump. The 40108 Facet pump does NOT have a check valve in it. See the specs on their web site: _http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp_ (http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp) I am using two of them...one on each wing tank. If I start with an empty tank on the left hand side...and run the right fuel pump, it pumps fuel into the left tank. I'm not sure if this is a problem or not. It seems to supply the carburetor (MA3-SPA) just fine...but it also transfers fuel to the other tank. Has anyone else noted this? I'm wondering if the 40147 or 40148 might work as well, or better. Does anyone know of another supplier, besides Aircraft Spruce? Dave 601XL/Corvair ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:55 PM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group Well, I want a ******* pony but at least I am not being crude about it on an Aviation discussion thread. Do not archive "I want out off" Please, move away from the aircraft... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:39 PM PST US From: "David Brooks" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group Ron - If the unsubscribe doesn't work for you then you might consider setting up a mail filter. You can have yahoo mail automatically move any message that was sent to zenith-list@matronics.com in to the trash folder. Creating filters seems to be broken in the new yahoo mail beta but it works in the old 'classic' yahoo mail interface. In the old yahoo mail interface, see "Options", "Mail", "Filters", click the "Add" button, paste "zenith-list@matronics.com" in to the "To/Cc header" edit box and go from there. This may not be as satisfying as actually getting off the list but at least you won't see all the messages. You can switch back to the yahoo mail beta after creating the filter and it should continue to work. Or you can continue to swear at all the members of this community and get flamed. Dave On 7/19/07, Joemotis@aol.com wrote: > > Well, I want a ******* pony but at least I am not being crude about it > on an Aviation discussion thread. > Do not archive > > "I want out off" > Please, move away from the aircraft... > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:45 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I want out off this Fucking group >"I want out off" >Please, move away from the aircraft... I have unsubscribed him. 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