---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/21/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Re: Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket (David Downey) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list (n801bh@netzero.com) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. (Bill Naumuk) 4. 06:36 AM - Re: Please Clean Up The List! (Bill Naumuk) 5. 07:21 AM - Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket (LarryMcFarland) 6. 02:38 PM - Re: Please Clean Up The List! (George Race) 7. 06:04 PM - AMD Patriot (Frank Derfler) 8. 07:32 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (Carlos Sa) 9. 07:36 PM - EAA (Darrell Haas) 10. 08:03 PM - Re: EAA (Paul Mulwitz) 11. 08:43 PM - Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket (txpilot) 12. 08:49 PM - EGT sensor installation location (ruruny@aol.com) 13. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Haaspower 801 (NYTerminat@aol.com) 14. 09:58 PM - Aileron bellcrank bushing (lwinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:15 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket I agree - call ZAC and show them the picture. The "doubler" appears top be a cap of some sort - not the same thing. do not archive > here we go I didn't get a picture or link in the e-mail from the list. But the web access to the list gives this link: http://gallery.iahu.ca/main.php/d/5365-2/00001.jpg What ever ideas the list comes up with I'd call the factory for another point of view. Myself, I'm not wild about that nick in the doubler. -- Craig Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:13 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list I LOVE my 801, wish it flew a little faster but thats the trade off of b eing able to take off and land in a couple of hundred feet, I am coming up on 200 hours and I have probably 500+ takeoff and landings. Thanks to Zenith for designing a very strong plane, I have tried to break the thi ng in half by running full power all the way up to 18,000 feet and it sh ows absolutley no signs of failure, buckling, distorting and any of thos e other pesky quirks that go along with some dummy douling the HP requir ments for an 801. There are only few "don't" I have uncovered. One is, N ever hold the stick back with full flaps and let the motor pull it into the air, the plane will rotate and climb well before I see 20 mph on the airspeed indicator, the flaperons do not have proper authority at those low speeds and the plane will torque roll around its axis. I did this o nce and NEVER again. The motor is working great, in fact alot better the n I even envisioned, it is just too powerful for the 801. if I had to do it over again it would have a hopped up 0-400 lyc clone. Zenith reccome nds a firewall forward weight of 440 lbs and I am at 437, so it is withi n the design range but the plane could benefit from reduced powerplant w eight and a less HP. It has never been lower then 6400 MSL so maybe at s ea level it will be spectacular in STOL traits down where the air is th ick. I have been contacted by dozens of RV-10 , Lanciar, Bearcat and oth er experimental owners wanting the powerplant and it is a perfect fit fo r those. I will not sell anything till I achieve 300 hours and I am conv inced it is a safe and proven firewall forward package. After all those thinks can and will kill people and I don't want that to trouble me as I go through life. As for all you homebuilders. keep at it, the feeling o f flying a creation you crafted by hand is "priceless". do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: Ben, How is your 801 doing? How many hours do you have now? Is there any others flying with your package? What is the total engine weight? Bob S pudisdo not archive ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =============

I LOVE my 801, wish it flew a little faster but thats the trade off of being able to take off and land in a couple of hundred feet, I a m coming up on 200 hours and I have probably 500+ takeoff and landings. Thanks to Zenith for designing a very strong plane, I have tried to brea k the thing in half by running full power all the way up to 18,000 feet and it shows absolutley no signs of failure, buckling, distorting and an y of those other pesky quirks that go along with some dummy douling the HP requirments for an 801. There are only few "don't" I have uncovered. One is, Never hold the stick back with full flaps and let the motor pull it into the air, the plane will rotate and climb well before I see 20 mph on the airspeed indicator, the flaperons do not have proper auth ority at those low speeds and the plane will torque roll around its axis . I did this once and NEVER again. The motor is working great, in fact a lot better then I even envisioned, it is just too powerful for the 801. if I had to do it over again it would have a hopped up 0-400 lyc cl one. Zenith reccomends a firewall forward weight of 440 lbs and I am at 437, so it is within the design range but the plane could benefit from&n bsp;reduced powerplant weight and a less HP. It has never been lower then 6400 MSL so maybe at sea level it will be spectacular in STO L traits down  where the air is thick. I have been contacted b y dozens of RV-10 , Lanciar, Bearcat and other experimental owners wanti ng the powerplant and it is a perfect fit for those. I will not sell any thing till I achieve 300 hours and I am convinced it is a safe and proven firewall forward package. After all those thinks can and will kil l people and I don't want that to trouble me as I go through l ife. As for all you homebuilders. keep at it, the feeling of f lying a creation you crafted by hand is "priceless".

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Ben Haas
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Bob Spudis
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. All- ACS catalog prices are quite reasonable- shipping is what kills you. I'd love to see ACS follow Wal-Marts lead and have an outlet every 10 miles, but if there were that many builders, there wouldn't be any airspace! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. To whoever wrote the message below, not to worry. Everyone out here in aviation land knows that you guys are the best supply house in the country for airplane builders and restorers. The business Jim Irwin's dad started from scratch reminds me of Wal-mart in this way. You provide goods we need at fair prices and you grow and grow. I really don't see how your competition keeps up with you. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Aircraft Spruce To: Zenith-List@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Service Slow Down from Aircraft Spruce. To: Zenith Builders A customer recently posted a comment regarding Aircraft Spruce's handling of orders shipped by the USPS. We want to assure all of our customers that we have made no policy changes regarding USPS packages. Shipments by UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc., leave our building the same day they are packaged due to the fact the carrier picks up late in the day; conversely, the post office is closed by the time USPS packages are completed each day. Therefore, we have to transport USPS packages to the post office the next morning. We appreciate the business we receive from the Zenith builders, and if anyone has any questions or suggestions, please contact us at any time. Aircraft Spruce Customer Service Email: custserv@aircraftspruce.com Phone: 800-861-3192 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Please Clean Up The List! George- As much as I agree with you in principle, that wouldn't be fair to Matt. He's not a moderator, he's a technical administrator. Remember, we're not the only builder's group on the Matronics list, and to monitor real-time the postings for all the groups AND act as censor would be a mind boggling task. We have to patrol the list ourselves, and that's what we did. I've been a list member for 3 (?) years, and this is the first time this type of problem has come up. You'll see the F word occasionally in the body of a post, but not continuously in the subject line. This guy was obviously just trying to be the list equivalent of Howard Stern. If he was that computer illiterate he would have forgotten to plug it in. Good building! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: George Race To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Please Clean Up The List! To the list participants: Vulgar and disgusting is the only way that I can think of to describe the verbiage I am seeing on the list. Can we all please ask the Moderator to delete all messages and references containing the vulgarity displayed here this past week? I find the "7 day list browser" very convenient to use with the list. I just don't wish to see this stuff for the next 7 days. Thanks, George Race Albion, MI Kit Building CH-701 N73EX (reserved) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:32 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 640 stabilator balance bracket Hi Rob, After looking at the picture, I'd think you need a new spar and doubler. Not so much damage to the doubler, but The thinner wing and concern about stresses today will probably suggest new parts. Don't feel bad. I had to rebuild the left wing spar on my HDS once because of a similar serious issue. To make all new parts, cost about two weeks, worse to the ego. Slow down a little and get back into it. Good luck, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Rob St Denis wrote: > OK ... made a bit of an error today ... > > Was drilling the bracket to the spar and noticed that the hole just > nicked the doubler and didn't settle itself in the middle. Wondering > what I should do ? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:19 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Please Clean Up The List! You are correct Bill, I am sure that Matt has enough to do just keeping the lists working! When I get back from Oshkosh the 7 day list will have cleaned itself. Take care, George do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:26 PM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot I sat in the new AMD Patriot when I was in Eastman and stirred the controls. Speaking as a person who prefers low wing airplanes, the high wing doesn't intrude too much on the visibility. I imagine that flight schools would love it. Some of the old buzzards on the ramp at "Heart of Georgia" thought it was easier to get in and out of the Patriot than a 601, but I never found it difficult to get in and out of a 601. However, compared to other high wing LSAs, entry and exit are a snap! I had nightmares after one ride in a Legend Cub. However, the biggest drawback to the Patriot is the same one that burdens the 601: No cup holders! How could anyone design a modern airplane without cup holders? (It is NOT a matter of weight!) 601 Builders, what have you done about the tragic lack of cup holders in our design? -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot If you get the AOPA Pilot magazine there's an article on the mew LSA design from Chris. Called the Patriot, it differs from traditional CH designs by having a vertical stabilizer/rudder instead of the all-flying rudder we're are used to seeing. Quite an attractive a/c, not like the 701 (not that the 701 doesn't have its charms). High-wing, almost 33 foot span, 118 kt cruise, stall (clean) at 40 kts, price to be in $90 to $95K range. Looks better than the Cessna LSA offering to me. Should be at OSH. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:54 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot I was saving this for the first flight report, but what the heck - I intend to install a PC in the instrument panel, on the passenger side. I love those electrically activated cup-holder-trays they have in PCs ! ! (Yes, I could resist, but I didn't) definitely do not archive Carlos CH601-HD, plans. No plans for cup holders. Montreal, Canada 601 Builders, what have you done about the tragic lack of cup holders in our > design? > -- > Frank Derfler > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:33 PM PST US From: "Darrell Haas" Subject: Zenith-List: EAA In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great info on the list. Darrell Haas Fairview, Oregon Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:06 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Hi Darrell, Welcome aboard. I started building my Zodiac XL a couple of years ago and joined the EAA about the same time. At first I got the Sport Pilot magazine, but now I get both of them. The Sport Pilot magazine has planes and other stuff more appropriate for Sport Pilots, but it is rather small. The larger Sport Aviation magazine has lots of planes a Sport Pilot can't fly, but it also has lots of "Generic" flying information valuable to a Sport Pilot. This includes articles on the latest avionics, flying skill articles, and many others that I find interesting and informative. I also recommend you try attending meetings of one or more of the local EAA chapters. There is one that I belong to based in Vancouver, WA and another (much larger) chapter based in Hillsboro, OR. At local chapters you meet lots of people who can help you along with your building project and also just meet people who share your interests. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage Camas, WA At 07:35 PM 7/21/2007, you wrote: > In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought > about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for > experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the > Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a > 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get > older. Thanks for all the great info on the list. > >Darrell Haas >Fairview, Oregon ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket From: "txpilot" Rob, If you do call ZAC regarding this issue, please let us know what they say. I'm curious. I would think that you would be okay if you could file the doubler down and still respect hole-to-edge distances of min 2xD, but I could be wrong. Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125146#125146 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: EGT sensor installation location From: ruruny@aol.com Looking at the 2 attached pics of the left and right side of my engine, what would be the best place to install the EGT sensors. Just thought I'd get some input from anyone who might know if there is a best way to do it.?There are 4 of them for my GRT EIS. Thanks Brian 701Builder.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:40 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Haaspower 801 Ben, Glad to hear that all is working out with the 801 and your engine. Are you considering a smaller version, say a V-6? I understand the lack of speed, I built a 701 and am having a lot of fun but I am looking to go faster. I will be starting a Glastar in the fall and am also considering alternative engines. Keep us informed as you build the hours on yours. Thanks Bob Spudis CH-701/912S/118hrs In a message dated 7/21/2007 8:43:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n801bh@netzero.com writes: I LOVE my 801, wish it flew a little faster but thats the trade off of being able to take off and land in a couple of hundred feet, I am coming up on 200 hours and I have probably 500+ takeoff and landings. Thanks to Zenith for designing a very strong plane, I have tried to break the thing in half by running full power all the way up to 18,000 feet and it shows absolutley no signs of failure, buckling, distorting and any of those other pesky quirks that go along with some dummy douling the HP requirments for an 801. There are only few "don't" I have uncovered. One is, Never hold the stick back with full flaps and let the motor pull it into the air, the plane will rotate and climb well before I see 20 mph on the airspeed indicator, the flaperons do not have proper authority at those low speeds and the plane will torque roll around its axis. I did this once and NEVER again. The motor is working great, in fact alot better then I even envisioned, it is just too powerful for the 801. if I had to do it over again it would have a hopped up 0-400 lyc clone. Zenith reccomends a firewall forward weight of 440 lbs and I am at 437, so it is within the design range but the plane could benefit from reduced powerplant weight and a less HP. It has never been lower then 6400 MSL so maybe at sea level it will be spectacular in STOL traits down where the air is thick. I have been contacted by dozens of RV-10 , Lanciar, Bearcat and other experimental owners wanting the powerplant and it is a perfect fit for those. I will not sell anything till I achieve 300 hours and I am convinced it is a safe and proven firewall forward package. After all those thinks can and will kill people and I don't want that to trouble me as I go through life. As for all you homebuilders. keep at it, the feeling of flying a creation you crafted by hand is "priceless". do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote: Ben, How is your 801 doing? How many hours do you have now? Is there any others flying with your package? What is the total engine weight? Bob Spudis do not archive ____________________________________ Get a sneak peek of the all-new _AOL.com_ (http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982) . =================================== ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ==================================== tronics.com ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron bellcrank bushing From: "lwinger" For the record, the 6.4mm reamer specified on 6-W-10-2 of the 601XL plans wasn't large enough to accomodate the bushings I bought from Zenith. 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