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1. 04:47 AM - Re: EAA (burbby)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: EAA (David Downey)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: EGT sensor installation location (David Downey)
4. 05:32 AM - Re: EGT sensor installation location (Jeff)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: EAA (Jeff)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: EAA (LarryMcFarland)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: EGT sensor installation location (LarryMcFarland)
8. 07:32 AM - CH701 neutral position for the stick? (Jari Kaija (LapTop2))
9. 09:37 AM - Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
10. 10:22 AM - Installing wing tanks in 601XL? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
11. 11:13 AM - Re: EGT sensor installation location (Mark Sherman)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? (Skip Perry)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
14. 11:36 AM - Re: EAA (milreed)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: EAA (raymondj)
16. 01:05 PM - 601 fuel & ignition system (Bob Duns)
17. 01:26 PM - Re: EAA (Ronald Steele)
18. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: EAA ()
19. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: EAA ()
20. 02:51 PM - Re: CH701 neutral position for the stick? (Gordon)
21. 02:57 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (Joemotis@aol.com)
22. 03:05 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (Joemotis@aol.com)
23. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: EAA (Jeff)
24. 04:15 PM - Re: EAA (raymondj)
25. 04:25 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (LarryMcFarland)
26. 06:12 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (Paul Mulwitz)
27. 06:25 PM - Don't forget Monday Night Chat (leinad)
28. 08:03 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (Joemotis@AOL.COM)
29. 08:41 PM - Documenting construction (Elden Jacobson)
30. 09:20 PM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (jetboy)
31. 10:31 PM - Re: Documenting construction (lwinger)
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I like the Sport Pilot the best. But if i was interested in something more than
sport pilot also i would try both magazines.
Thanks
Gary
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I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport Aviation is still the
instrument of choice for the moneyed and Sport Pilot is not much better - but
would be my choice if I were only getting one of them
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Darrell Haas <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote: In an effort to always
learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do
people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine
or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601
XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for
all the great info on the list.
Darrell Haas
Fairview, Oregon
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Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: EGT sensor installation location |
I cannot recommend a position for them but the following is good instrumentation
theory that will yield comparable values from the four sensors:
Place each probe into the stream at a point equidistant from its exhaust valve
Place the probe so that the tip is as close to the center of the flow field
as possible. Note that the probe may shift when tightened and take that into account
Safety the clamp and strain relief the probe leads
If extension wire is needed, make sure that it is the came calibration as the
probe (for example type J probe = type J extension wire)
I would think that Rotax would be able to specify the optimal distance from the
exhaust valve.
ruruny@aol.com wrote: Looking at the 2 attached pics of the left and right side
of my engine, what would be the best place to install the EGT sensors.
Just thought I'd get some input from anyone who might know if there is a best
way to do it. There are 4 of them for my GRT EIS.
Thanks
Brian
701Builder.com
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100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | EGT sensor installation location |
Brian,
I can't tell you about the Rotax, but on the Jabiru 3300 Jabiru
had a definite recommendation on how far down the exhaust pipe to place the
sensors. I'd check with a Rotax source (Lockwood?) for your answer. But I
would expect much of an answer this week. Everyone who is a vendor is at
Oshkosh.
Jeff Davidson
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ruruny@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: EGT sensor installation location
Looking at the 2 attached pics of the left and right side of my engine, what
would be the best place to install the EGT sensors.
Just thought I'd get some input from anyone who might know if there is a
best way to do it. There are 4 of them for my GRT EIS.
Thanks
Brian
701Builder.com
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Darrell,
Since you plan to build, Kitplanes has been excellent for
builders recently. They are currently running a series about building a
fast-build 601 XL kit with a Corvair engine. It also has good "how to"
articles in each edition.
Jeff
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport Aviation is
still the instrument of choice for the moneyed and Sport Pilot is not much
better - but would be my choice if I were only getting one of them
do not archive
Darrell Haas <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote:
In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought about
joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental private
pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a
private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be
a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great
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hi Darrel,
The Sport Pilot Magazine mirrors Sport Aviation, but seems to not
include so much about high powered aircraft, etc. I take both, get more
out of the Sport pilot mag
but prefer Kit Planes to either of them. The grass roots are covered
better from Kit Planes and you see a lot more construction details over
a long period of time.
Sport Planes tends to work and write to a less mature audience and deal
with light subject matter rather than getting too involved with
projects. Its predecessor, Experimental Aviation Mag was written with
the full coverage and in-depth detail that made it a valued and
collectible magazine. A library that had a few years of that magazine
had an invaluable reference that neither of the current EAA publications
can duplicate.
The SLA movement and quick assembly kits have obscured the value of
knowing how things work and go together. You have to buy the Bingelis
series books and a few others to find the best of that kind of information.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Darrell Haas wrote:
> In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought
> about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental
> private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot
> Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may
> exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all
> the great info on the list.
>
> Darrell Haas
> Fairview, Oregon
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EGT sensor installation location |
Brian,
For the Subaru, EA-81, 100 hp, EGTs are located about 3-1/2 inches from
the exhaust valve. Yours would probably be placed in a
similar location as near where curve of the pipe ends. There's a
drawing out there that shows something like this by Rotax but
this is what several have done for the 912 and 914 per the archives.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
ruruny@aol.com wrote:
> Looking at the 2 attached pics of the left and right side of my
> engine, what would be the best place to install the EGT sensors.
> Just thought I'd get some input from anyone who might know if there is
> a best way to do it. There are 4 of them for my GRT EIS.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
> 701Builder.com
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| Subject: | CH701 neutral position for the stick? |
Hi there! I'm installing controls to my CH701 and I need
to know what is a neutral position for Y-Control stick and
7-C-1-1 Horizontal tail bellcrank.
Are they both ie. 90 degree angle, when measuring from
7-C-2-2 torgue tube?
Drawings says that 7-C-1-3 pitch control rod need to be
cut for neutral position, but... :-(
btw. I will try to update my www-pages later tonight....
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list |
This is my excel list of most every part I put in the airplane as I think of
more stuff I will add it and post updates then you can just over write this
file. One thing I can't remember is where I ordered the bosh coils.
But I will go thru my receipts and add it when I do. The last 2 columns in
the spread sheet where for me and can be ignored.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Installing wing tanks in 601XL? |
I have a QB 601XL kit with the 15 gal tanks. I was wondering how many
layers of cork people use to install the tanks and how the layers are
laid out on the tank. The plans and photo guides are not consistent nor
complete in this regard.
Also, the tanks I got have about a 20x30mm rectangular boss for the
drain valve, that extends 6-7 mm from the tank bottom. Am I supposed to
cut a (fairly large) matching hole for this in the bottom skin, or float
the tanks far enough above the skin and only cut a hole for the valve?
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: EGT sensor installation location |
Brian.
The installation manual for the Rotax tells you the exact distance from the exhaust
port for the EGT probes. The reason they want you to use this position is,
that is where they took the reading to come up with the maximum EGT temperature.
You could put them in a different position, but your reading could be considerably
off (low reading) and cause you to cook the engine. Which would
be hard to do with a CV carb. I guess if you had a vacuum leak you could lean
out one or two cylinders. Your cylinder head temp gage should indicate the rise
in temperature also, but it is a little slow reacting to the change because
it really isn't a CHT gage. It sits on the cylinder head, but is also in a water
jacket. So it doesn't really reflect a accurate CHT or water temp. It's
a combo of both. I am using a water temp gage in the water line after the coolant
leaves the engine and before it gets to the radiator. Hottest point.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
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From: "ruruny@aol.com" <ruruny@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:49:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: EGT sensor installation location
Looking at the 2 attached pics of the left and right side of my engine, what would
be the best place to install the EGT sensors.
Just thought I'd get some input from anyone who might know if there is a best way
to do it. There are 4 of them for my GRT EIS.
Thanks
Brian
701Builder.com
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| Subject: | Installing wing tanks in 601XL? |
Andy,
I put one layer of cork strips on the tanks in such a way that the tank
would not be making metal to metal contact with the skins. I put it over all
of the surfaces and it seems to work OK like that for me.
As for the tanks, they must be building them different now. My tanks have a
round boss for the drain and the bottom skin had already been cut with an
appropriate sized hole. After the tank is in place the boss extends just
barely through the hole on mine.
Skip Perry - 601XL
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew
Elliott
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Installing wing tanks in 601XL?
I have a QB 601XL kit with the 15 gal tanks. I was wondering how many
layers of cork people use to install the tanks and how the layers are laid
out on the tank. The plans and photo guides are not consistent nor complete
in this regard.
Also, the tanks I got have about a 20x30mm rectangular boss for the drain
valve, that extends 6-7 mm from the tank bottom. Am I supposed to cut a
(fairly large) matching hole for this in the bottom skin, or float the tanks
far enough above the skin and only cut a hole for the valve?
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? |
You will need to place the cork around the welds so the welds wont hit the
skin it depends on the clearance of the ribs on the sides as to how many strips
of cork you put on the sides of the tank. As far as the drain valve you will
more than likely have to make the hole the same size as the boss but wait
until you are sure the tank is where it will be when the LE is closed otherwise
you will be off center and have to make a larger hole for it. I put a total
of 4 strips on top of the tank and closed the LE to make sure they were just
touching the skin. some places may have more than others. Around the fuel
filler I had to add a extra piece of cork so the skin wouldn't crush and made
a
firm seat for the flange.
Hope this helps
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Plenty of glitzy, bling, bling magazines that slip right off the table.
Kitplanes and Ultra Flight as well as ZAC's quarterly magazine I like to
read. I would like to see a pulp paper magazine like the old Popular
Mechanics that showed you how to make a coffee table out of a door ( I
did them one better, I made a door out of a coffee table). Any way
Ladies and guys, are there any other magazines lower on the food chain
so to speak??????
Mil
PS (The -F- word around our place is" FAT")
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Darrell,
I spent more time reading Kitplanes than I did both "EAA Sport"
publications combined before I dropped Sport Pilot.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
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From: Jeff
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EAA
Darrell,
Since you plan to build, Kitplanes has been excellent for
builders recently. They are currently running a series about building a
fast-build 601 XL kit with a Corvair engine. It also has good "how to"
articles in each edition.
Jeff
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Downey
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:53 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport Aviation
is still the instrument of choice for the moneyed and Sport Pilot is not
much better - but would be my choice if I were only getting one of them
do not archive
Darrell Haas <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote:
In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought
about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental
private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine.
I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my
rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great
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| Subject: | 601 fuel & ignition system |
Jeff
Thanks for posting your spreadsheet of parts for fuel and ign system
I am another 601 builder that finds this most useful.
Bob D.
601HD/Corvair
Melfort, SK
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Does anybody remember Custom Planes? I'm not sure it's still around.
I used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either. I've
never found it anywhere else. There is a web address but it doesn't
answer up. Just curious.
Ron
On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:26 PM, raymondj wrote:
> Darrell,
>
> I spent more time reading Kitplanes than I did both "EAA Sport"
> publications combined before I dropped Sport Pilot.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "Hope for the best,
> but prepare for the worst."
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EAA
>
> Darrell,
>
> Since you plan to build, Kitplanes has been excellent
> for builders recently. They are currently running a series about
> building a fast-build 601 XL kit with a Corvair engine. It also
> has good "how to" articles in each edition.
>
> Jeff
>
> do not archive this either
>
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Downey
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:53 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>
>
> I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport
> Aviation is still the instrument of choice for the moneyed and
> Sport Pilot is not much better - but would be my choice if I were
> only getting one of them
>
> do not archive
>
> Darrell Haas <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought
> about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for
> experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the
> Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a
> 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get
> older. Thanks for all the great
>
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> what's on, when.
>
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Custom Plane was bought by a "bigger" fish in the Kitplane field and was closed
down & the staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the money, buy them
out & shut them down. But "they" did give everyone "'til the end of the week
to vacate" no easy way out, Your Gone.. KABONG Do Not Archive
>From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
>Date: 2007/07/22 Sun PM 03:24:21 CDT
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>Does anybody remember Custom Planes? I'm not sure it's still around. I used to
buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either. I've never found it anywhere
else. There is a web address but it doesn't answer up. Just curious
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Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone wo
uld want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the bui
lding and presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but run
ning two competitors against each other makes them both improve, and r
unning them in tandem makes the beginnings of an empire. Lemme go bac
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staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the money, buy them ou
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 neutral position for the stick? |
I called Zenith with that same question a few weeks ago. Roger said to
sit in the plane and find a spot that feel comfortable. Bottom line is
that there isn't a designated position.
Gordon
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From: Jari Kaija (LapTop2)
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 neutral position for the stick?
Hi there! I'm installing controls to my CH701 and I need
to know what is a neutral position for Y-Control stick and
7-C-1-1 Horizontal tail bellcrank.
Are they both ie. 90 degree angle, when measuring from
7-C-2-2 torgue tube?
Drawings says that 7-C-1-3 pitch control rod need to be
cut for neutral position, but... :-(
btw. I will try to update my www-pages later tonight....
http://www.project-ch701.net
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
The question that disappeared is I do not like redrives and this eliminates
the Subaru and the Rotax. so who is flying with the CH 701 with the Jabiru
3300, which has come way down in price since the last time I looked.
Joe Motis
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Paul,
I'm not an MBA, but it goes like this. In the end companies
are
primarily responsible for making a profit. Say company x has 30 percent
of
a market. Buying a competitor (company y) that has 20 percent gives
company
x 50 percent of the market in a flash. It is the fastest way to grow
the
business quickly. Along the way, company x gets whatever product earned
Company Y 20 percent of the market to begin with. And customers have
fewer
options.
Now look at the avionics market. Not long ago Garmin was an
unknown. Bendix-King, Apollo, Narco, and others were it. Most of these
companies were bought by someone. And there were new competitors like
Becker and the Australian firms. Garmin had lots of know-how and built
great products eclipsing the May-Tag of avionics Bendix-King. Then it
bought Apollo (aka UPS). It not only got market share there, it also
got a
great product the SL30 NAV/COM. Through good products and great
business
moves, Garmin dominates the avionics market today.
The Southern Aviator publication was purchased a while back.
Just this month I got the notice it will stop being published. The
writers
that made it a great regional paper, since they were what made the paper
grow, are now going to write for the new owners' publication gaining the
market share and a better product. That should result in more ad sales
for
them.
Jeff D
Please do not archive this!
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
paulrod36@msn.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone
would
want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building
and
presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two
competitors against each other makes them both improve, and running them
in
tandem makes the beginnings of an empire. Lemme go back to nuclear
warfare;
it was much less complicated.
Paul Rodriguez
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: jhstarn@verizon.net
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
Custom Plane was bought by a "bigger" fish in the Kitplane field and was
closed down & the staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the
money,
buy them out & shut them down. But "they" did give everyone "'til the
end of
the week to vacate" no easy way out, Your Gone.. KABONG Do Not Archive
>From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
>Date: 2007/07/22 Sun PM 03:24:21 CDT
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>Does anybody remember Custom Planes?=C2 I'm not sure it's still around.
I
used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either.=C2 I've never
found
it anywhere else.=C2 There is a web address but it doesn't answer up.=C2
Just
curious
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Ron,
I subscribed to Custom Planes about a year ago. About 3 months later I
got a notice that it had been swallowed by Plane and Pilot but would
live on as a column in the mag. I was given the balance of the
subscription for Plane and Pilot (whoopie).
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Steele
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
Does anybody remember Custom Planes? I'm not sure it's still around.
I used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either. I've never
found it anywhere else. There is a web address but it doesn't answer
up. Just curious.
Ron
On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:26 PM, raymondj wrote:
Darrell,
I spent more time reading Kitplanes than I did both "EAA Sport"
publications combined before I dropped Sport Pilot.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: EAA
Darrell,
Since you plan to build, Kitplanes has been excellent
for builders recently. They are currently running a series about
building a fast-build 601 XL kit with a Corvair engine. It also has
good "how to" articles in each edition.
Jeff
do not archive this either
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Downey
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:53 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
I get both of them and there is a lot of duplication. Sport
Aviation is still the instrument of choice for the moneyed and Sport
Pilot is not much better - but would be my choice if I were only getting
one of them
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Darrell Haas <Darrellhaas@verizon.net> wrote:
In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought
about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental
private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine.
I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my
rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
Joe,
The problem with the 3300 is that it requires airspeed and lots of
cooling to stay healthy in the air. This is contrary to the speed and
envelope that is the 701.
You can do it, but I'd be reluctant to suggest it would be a wise choice
of the engines available. I haven't heard of any Rotax or Subaru
redrive failing for quite
a while,,,,,,, years maybe. The redrive allows a water cooled engine to
reach rpm and torque optimums with a larger prop that can pull
effectively.
The 3300 would require more than a low gear prop to survive and the
reduced price and testosterone that puts one on a 701 won't solve that
problem.
Think of taking a Merlin engine from a Mustang which had cooling
problems on the ground and putting it in a Ford Tri-Motor.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> The question that disappeared is I do not like redrives and this
> eliminates the Subaru and the Rotax. so who is flying with the CH 701
> with the Jabiru 3300, which has come way down in price since the last
> time I looked.
>
> Joe Motis
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
At 04:24 PM 7/22/2007, you wrote:
>The problem with the 3300 is that it requires airspeed and lots of
>cooling to stay healthy in the air.
An even bigger problem is the specification (on the ZAC web site)
that limits the 701 to 100 HP max. The Jab 3300 can reasonably be
expected to provide 130 hp at full power.
As a minimum, you would need to get designer approval of this much
horsepower for this airframe. The risk is that the engine will
overpower the flight controls under certain conditions that can
result in an unrecoverable loss of control. I am not an aero
engineer and don't remember exactly which combinations can cause
problems, but I think they are all found when you are low and slow
and probably close to the ground as well. This is the kind of
condition you might find when attempting a go-around because
something is in the way of you landing. The results are certain to be fatal.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Don't forget Monday Night Chat |
Don't forget Monday Night is chat night for Zenith builders. Join in the comradery
beginning around 8:00 PM EST.
Dan (601XL/Corvair plans builder)
http://chat.iahu.ca/
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
Thanks Larry
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Documenting construction |
I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new 3300. I have
acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading widely (including
this list, for the last four or so months). My wife and I have completed the
rudder workshop.
Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I have been
impressed by the several websites that builders have created. But I've little
sense as to how you builders have gone about this task of leaving a trail.
Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be very welcome.
Thanks,
Elden Jacobson
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
Joe,
I used a 2200 for some of the reasons above. Additionally, a friend has
has his 912UL redrive fail requiring new clutch parts @ 150 hrs and a month
later a sprag clutch on the starter. This is a no prop strike treated like eggs
80hp engine.
The 3300 will only do 105 hp, so could be derated for the 701 but the cooling problem
will remain. Someone put a Corvair on a 701 here and 20 hrs later they
have the engine for sale because a 2200 is going on. I dont know the reason, but
the Corvair (and 3300) is outside the ZAC limits for TP10141E certification
which is required here to operate as a microlight.
I will follow this thread with interest as I like a fallback option for my 701,
should the 2200 give any problem. current thinking is a 912UL with the updated
rear ring mount system.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
Welcome, Elden...and congratulations!
For those of us who don't have prior experience setting up websites (or those of us who do, but would rather spend our time building), a great solution is www.kitlog.com. If you would like to see the format, check out www.mykitlog.com/lwinger for my entries.
Each entry can include up to 3 pictures, and it is easy for others to search by
category or date. It takes about 5 minutes to install and set-up, and the price
is right at $49.95. That gives you the program on your computer and a weblog
(included in the price). Best of all, it was recently purchased by Matronics,
and Matt has already made some improvements in what was already a very solid
program.
Good luck on your building adventure.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wing spars complete
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