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1. 03:19 AM - Re: CH701 neutral position for the stick? (Jari Kaija (LapTop2))
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Documenting construction (Debo Cox)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: EAA (Juan Vega)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket (Christian Tremblay)
6. 08:49 AM - Re: Documenting construction (Christian Tremblay)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: Documenting construction (Gig Giacona)
8. 09:52 AM - 601XL fuel sender (oaksnspokes)
9. 09:57 AM - AMD Patriot (robert stone)
10. 10:00 AM - Re: CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? (Craig Payne)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (Dennis Shoup)
12. 10:20 AM - Re: Documenting construction (Ron Culver)
13. 10:53 AM - Re: Documenting construction (John Marzulli)
14. 11:09 AM - Re: EAA (Crvsecretary@AOL.COM)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona)
16. 11:29 AM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (Gig Giacona)
17. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (Randy L. Thwing)
18. 12:45 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (T. Graziano)
19. 12:51 PM - Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (ashontz)
20. 12:58 PM - Re :Documenting construction (T. Graziano)
21. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver (Ron Culver)
22. 01:22 PM - Re: Re :Documenting construction (ashontz)
23. 01:24 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (ashontz)
24. 01:30 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (ashontz)
25. 01:46 PM - Re: On Top (ashontz)
26. 02:02 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (Clive Richards)
27. 02:53 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (Gig Giacona)
28. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (robert stone)
29. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Documenting construction (Randy)
30. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Juan Vega)
31. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Paul Mulwitz)
32. 08:07 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (T. Graziano)
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 neutral position for the stick? |
> I called Zenith with that same question a few weeks ago. Roger said to
sit in the plane
> and find a spot that feel comfortable. Bottom line is that there isn't
a designated position.
> Gordon
Ok. Thanks for the answer. Hovewer, I still need to know, what is
"neutral" position for 7-C-1-1 Horizontal tail bellcrank?
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
Hi Eldon,
Congrats on your decision to build! Sounds like you've done your homework and
are ready to go.
I second Larry's recommendation about Kitlog. I've been using it since the beginning of my build, and I've found it to be easy to use, very stable, and the price is right. The big plus for me is the ability to upload my completed logs to www.mykitlog.com and share it with others. You can also easily generate reports - a great feature. Like Larry, I have the knowledge and ability to publish my own site, but would rather spend that time in my garage drilling holes in sheet metal. Go figure.
Whatever method you choose, enjoy your build.
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair
Nags Head, NC
If you're curious, you can check mine out at: www.mykitlog.com/debo
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Here's what I intend to install on the side of the cockpit.
http://www.topoftheline.com/auto-folding-cup-holder.html
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125329#125329
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simple capture of greater market share, the client list, direction the buyer is
taking in growth. Some companies can't or wont spendmoney to create somethingnew,
so they grow the product line by buying a new line off some one, or buying
some one out. Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out. Much smaller company
right? How ever look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled
COmposite(Spaceship One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control
a new tchnology to take private industry into space, and they took a potential
competitor out before they grew into a problem.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: paulrod36@msn.com
>Sent: Jul 22, 2007 5:18 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>
>Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone would want
to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building and presses,
or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two competitors against
each other makes them both improve, and running them in tandem makes the
beginnings of an empire. Lemme go back to nuclear warfare; it was much less complicated.
>
>Paul Rodriguez
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jhstarn@verizon.net<mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>
>
>
> Custom Plane was bought by a "bigger" fish in the Kitplane field and was closed
down & the staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the money, buy them
out & shut them down. But "they" did give everyone "'til the end of the week
to vacate" no easy way out, Your Gone.. KABONG Do Not Archive
>
> >From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com<mailto:rsteele@rjsit.com>>
> >Date: 2007/07/22 Sun PM 03:24:21 CDT
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>
> >Does anybody remember Custom Planes? I'm not sure it's still around. I used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either. I've never found it anywhere else. There is a web address but it doesn't answer up. Just ==============================================gator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List>
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| Subject: | Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket |
I Craig,
I think this nick on the doubler is not a so big issue that require to scrap
the doubler or the spar itself, but it has to be fixed. My suggestion : find
some good and experienced authority in aircraft aluminium structure to
suggest you some way to correct the problem.
May be only a file correction will be sufficient. Dont forgot the MDRA or
FAA inspector will have the last word for validating your structure
assembly.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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De: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Craig Payne
Envoy: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:44 PM
: zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 640 stabilator balance bracket
> here we go
I didn't get a picture or link in the e-mail from the list. But the web
access to the list gives this link:
http://gallery.iahu.ca/main.php/d/5365-2/00001.jpg
What ever ideas the list comes up with I'd call the factory for another
point of view. Myself, I'm not wild about that nick in the doubler.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Documenting construction |
Hi Elden,
I think documentation has to be set differently depending of kind of
project. I build my aircraft from plan, this kind of project needed more
documentation, more search, more tool, more skill, more detailed
photography
than a quick-build project. I document the project for the inspection
process and for community of builders. The other reason is the CH640
never
has been build (completed) from plan before. Another advantage is more
easy
for other builder to help me when they have access to my project
documentation.
Last factor is the computer habit of the builder itself. Never forgot
documentation is for support the building process, not the goal itself,
trace your own limits base on your needs.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Elden
Jacobson
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:38 PM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Documenting construction
I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new
3300.
I have acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading widely
(including this list, for the last four or so months). My wife and I
have
completed the rudder workshop.
Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I
have
been impressed by the several websites that builders have created. But
I've
little sense as to how you builders have gone about this task of leaving
a
trail. Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be very welcome.
Thanks,
Elden Jacobson
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
>From what I understand, the primary purpose of the documentation (as far as the
FAA in concerned) is to prove you built the plane.
I've done mine by taking lots of photos and almost all are either up on my website
or will be. Ill probably pull several and print them to have on hand for the
AW inspection. In addition to photos there are a bunch of notes I've made on
the plans and the construction manual which I will have one hand.
I started with Kitlog but was pretty bad about remembering to make the entries.
To the point where catching up would have been damn near impossible.
But I will say if you are going to keep a full log Kit log is the way to go.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125339#125339
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| Subject: | 601XL fuel sender |
All,
I am looking for some input on the subject of fuel senders. I recently
finished a 601XL and about 20 hours into its life the left fuel tank is
reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right tank on both
"gauges". I traced the left wire all the way back to where it exits the
fuselage and that all looks good. Before I start drilling out rivets in
the sender cover, I thought I would throw this out to this group and see
if anyone has any helpful ideas.
I was not overly impressed with the senders when I put them in. They
were the factory provided units, I think they are VDOs. If I end up
replacing the sender, I would like to "upgrade" if possible (I have the
2x15 gal. tanks). I have seen senders of a similar design in the
Aircraft Spruce catalog for about $12. These had what looked like a
rectangular solid float, rather than the hollow cylindrical float that I
have now.
Two questions:
1> Does anyone have any useful insights that could help
with my current (apparent) sender problem?
2> Does anyone have any recommendations for a superior sender,
if it comes to that?
Thanks.
Alan Smith
Zodiac 601XL - N601FW
Olympia, WA
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Members,
Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can be seen.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | CH701 Anyone flying with the Jab 3300? |
Here is one example.
http://www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20701%20fwf.htm
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
Even if they work properly, due to the dihedral in the wing; if the sender
is outboard the gauge will read empty while still about half full, and full
until half empty if the sender is inboard. There is no easy way to avoid
this. I too don't like the VW units supplied with the kit and am
considering not cutting holes to install any senders. Visually checking each
tank before each flight and measuring running time with a clock. Basic but
effective. Fuel flow and level indications on a glass panel will be a back
up.
Dennis Shoup
On 7/23/07, oaksnspokes <oaksnspokes@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> oaksnspokes@earthlink.net>
>
>
> All,
>
> I am looking for some input on the subject of fuel senders. I recently
> finished a 601XL and about 20 hours into its life the left fuel tank is
> reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
> the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right tank on both
> "gauges". I traced the left wire all the way back to where it exits the
> fuselage and that all looks good. Before I start drilling out rivets in
> the sender cover, I thought I would throw this out to this group and see
> if anyone has any helpful ideas.
>
> I was not overly impressed with the senders when I put them in. They
> were the factory provided units, I think they are VDOs. If I end up
> replacing the sender, I would like to "upgrade" if possible (I have the
> 2x15 gal. tanks). I have seen senders of a similar design in the
> Aircraft Spruce catalog for about $12. These had what looked like a
> rectangular solid float, rather than the hollow cylindrical float that I
> have now.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1> Does anyone have any useful insights that could help
> with my current (apparent) sender problem?
> 2> Does anyone have any recommendations for a superior sender,
> if it comes to that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Alan Smith
> Zodiac 601XL - N601FW
> Olympia, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
George Race who is a member of this site also has log program which is
the one I use. I also have Kitlog Pro but I find George's program easier
for me. While I did some beta for him I have no financial interest in
his program or any other.
http://www.mykitairplane.com/
You might want to e-mail him as well: mykitairplane@mrrace.com
Best and do keep good records with photos no matter what if any program
you use..
Ron Culver
----- Original Message -----
From: Elden Jacobson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Documenting construction
I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new
3300. I have acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading
widely (including this list, for the last four or so months). My wife
and I have completed the rudder workshop.
Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I
have been impressed by the several websites that builders have created.
But I've little sense as to how you builders have gone about this task
of leaving a trail. Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be
very welcome.
Thanks,
Elden Jacobson
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
I decided on a lower tech, but slightly less flexible approach: A blog. (
http://701builder.blogspot.com/ )
Blogger is free, and very easy to use. Everything is done through a webpage
and thus can be accessed at almost any computer. Blogger lets me assign
"tags" to each entry if I want, and then those tags can be searched. For
example you can view only those pages tagged "wings".
For photos Blogger ties into Picasa web galleries and lets you store up to
1GB of photos.
Due to the lack of report generation, I keep a rolling calculation at the
end of each entry. When I make a new entry I simply copy the last one and
increment my hours.
A side benefit of using Blogger has been it's ownership by Google, IE I have
received a large number of emails from people who have found my website by
searching for terms included in posts. In the end this last helped me find
other builders in the area that are not on this list.
Good luck!
-John
On 7/23/07, Ron Culver <rculver@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> George Race who is a member of this site also has log program which is
> the one I use. I also have Kitlog Pro but I find George's program easier for
> me. While I did some beta for him I have no financial interest in his
> program or any other.
>
> http://www.mykitairplane.com/
>
> You might want to e-mail him as well: mykitairplane@mrrace.com
>
> Best and do keep good records with photos no matter what if any program
> you use..
>
> Ron Culver
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:38 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Documenting construction
>
> I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new
> 3300. I have acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading widely
> (including this list, for the last four or so months). My wife and I have
> completed the rudder workshop.
>
> Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I have
> been impressed by the several websites that builders have created. But I've
> little sense as to how you builders have gone about this task of leaving a
> trail. Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be very welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elden Jacobson
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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Hello Paul:
All of the economic explanations offered make a lot of sense - but let me
add something else interesting about the magazine publishing business: the
amount of hard asset many of these magazines own are incredibly small. I h
ave
not yet seen a magazine that had its own publication facilities (read: prin
ting
presses, bindery, and mailing/distribution equipment) and only the large
ones have in-house graphic designers and pre-press facilities.
The magazine industry lives on subcontracting essential services like layou
t
and design, and the actual production is done by huge specialty printing
concerns whose majority of the business is magazines. I have been in some
plants that would not even consider a press run of under 100,000.....one fa
cility
I have seen would not take a run under 1 million.
My point to all this remains that magazines own little except a subscriptio
n
list and goodwill in the form of a name and reputation. It's difficult to
estimate the value of such a business except to investigate industry norms,
such as an "X" multiplier of gross sales.
Shutting down Custom Planes was easy...just add $$$$$.
Regards,
Tracy
In a message dated 7/22/2007 4:22:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paulrod36@msn.com writes:
Would one of our MBAs out there explain (in small words) why anyone would
want to buy out a competitor and then kill it off? Selling the building and
presses, or tools, makes for a nice one-time profit, but running two compet
itors
against each other makes them both improve, and running them in tandem make
s
the beginnings of an empire. Lemme go back to nuclear warfare; it was much
less complicated.
Paul Rodriguez
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: _jhstarn@verizon.net_ (mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net)
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
(mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net) >
Custom Plane was bought by a "bigger" fish in the Kitplane field and was
closed down & the staff let go. If ya can't compete & ya'll have the money,
buy
them out & shut them down. But "they" did give everyone "'til the end of th
e
week to vacate" no easy way out, Your Gone.. KABONG Do Not Archive
>From: Ronald Steele <_rsteele@rjsit.com_ (mailto:rsteele@rjsit.com) >
>Date: 2007/07/22 Sun PM 03:24:21 CDT
>To: _zenith-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com)
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>Does anybody remember Custom Planes?=C2 I'm not sure it's still around. I
used to buy it at Tower Records which isn't around either.=C2 I've never fo
und it
anywhere else.=C2 There is a web address but it doesn't answer up.=C2 Just
curious
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http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070722_cessna.html
[quote="rstone4(at)hot.rr.com"]Members,
Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can be seen.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
> [b]
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125368#125368
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
Doesn't FAR Sec. 91.205 (B) 9 require a fuel guage for each tank? The way a read
it it does.
Sec. 91.205
Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness certificates:
Instrument and equipment requirements.
(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section, no
person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness
certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f)
of this section unless that aircraft contains the
instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved equivalents)
for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of equipment
are in operable condition.
(b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the following instruments
and equipment are required:
...
(9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
...
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125370#125370
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| Subject: | Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver |
Because I had a Truck and a hydraulic jack, I didn't have a 3/4 inch bolt.
Do you know how much those things cost these days?
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
>
> Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the
squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down.
Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
Alan,
For what it is worth.
If I recall, the resistance of the VDO gauge is 30 to 70 ohms. You
could check you wiring to see if there is any resistance (I believe the
30 ohms was either empty or full and 70 ohms also either empty of full,
with in-between neither full nor empty).
You could have a stuck float if you installed it too close to the side
of the tank. I have one of my four tanks (an aux tank) that when empty,
the float does make slight contact the side of the tank. Fortunately,
when fuel is installed, the tank "bulge", relieves this problem. If the
float is stuck, use the 'ol thump the tank when full).
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300A; N493TG; 265 hrs.
601XL fuel sender
From: oaksnspokes (oaksnspokes@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Jul 23 - 9:52 AM
All,
I am looking for some input on the subject of fuel senders. I recently
finished a 601XL and about 20 hours into its life the left fuel tank is
reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right tank on both
"gauges". I traced the left wire all the way back to where it exits the
fuselage and that all looks good. Before I start drilling out rivets in
the sender cover, I thought I would throw this out to this group and see
if anyone has any helpful ideas.
I was not overly impressed with the senders when I put them in. They
were the factory provided units, I think they are VDOs. If I end up
replacing the sender, I would like to "upgrade" if possible (I have the
2x15 gal. tanks). I have seen senders of a similar design in the
Aircraft Spruce catalog for about $12. These had what looked like a
rectangular solid float, rather than the hollow cylindrical float that I
have now.
Two questions:
1> Does anyone have any useful insights that could help
with my current (apparent) sender problem?
2> Does anyone have any recommendations for a superior sender,
if it comes to that?
Thanks.
Alan Smith
Zodiac 601XL - N601FW
Olympia, WA
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| Subject: | Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver |
Home Depot all thread 3/4 inch, $9. Two 3/4 inch nuts, about $1.50 each.
n4546v(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> Because I had a Truck and a hydraulic jack, I didn't have a 3/4 inch bolt.
> Do you know how much those things cost these days?
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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>
>
>
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> >
> >
> > Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the
> > squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down.
> >
>
> Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re :Documenting construction |
I used the EAA log book that required hand written entrys. Did not
wish to be bothered to get on my computer after working on the airplane.
I also took pictures.
When I made a reservation for my repairman's certificate with the FSDO,
I was told to bring in only my log book and not my pictures.
I presented my coffee, primer, and blood stained log book and had my
temp repairman cert approved within minutes.
I have a member of my EAA chapter writing on a calander on the wall for
his construction log for his RV-8. (He works close with the FAA on a
lot of things, including his managing an airport.)
Tony Graziano
601XL; N493TG ;265 hrs
Subject: Documenting construction
From: Elden Jacobson (eldenej@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jul 22 - 8:41 PM
I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new
3300. I have
acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading widely
(including
this list, for the last four or so months). My wife and I have completed
the
rudder workshop.
Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I
have been
impressed by the several websites that builders have created. But I've
little
sense as to how you builders have gone about this task of leaving a
trail.
Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be very welcome.
Thanks,
Elden Jacobson
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| Subject: | Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver |
My oh my guys. I know this is all in a good natured banter but can't we let
it die a natural death. I don't mind but it keeps referring to ATTN:Ron
Culver. Actually I am one of those "if it works that is all that is
required" and "live and let live". I personally care not how but If ..
Be kind,be tolerant and on this issue finally be gone..
Thanks all,
Ron Culver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lightening hole dies, ATTN: Ron Culver
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Because I had a Truck and a hydraulic jack, I didn't have a 3/4 inch bolt.
> Do you know how much those things cost these days?
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
>
>
>>
>> Nice looking dies. They look just like the one's I'm using. To do the
> squash I just put a big 3/4 inch bolt through the center and torqued down.
> Why the need for the car? A big bolt works just fine.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re :Documenting construction |
I'm using MyKitLog as my logbook. I can't imagine a nice neat print out with pictures
and verification from a tech counselor all printed out and bound as being
suspicious looking. :)
[quote="tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne"]I used the EAA log book that required hand
written entrys. Did not wish to be bothered to get on my computer after working
on the airplane. I also took pictures.
When I made a reservation for my repairman's certificate with the FSDO, I was
told to bring in only my log book and not my pictures.
I presented my coffee, primer, and blood stained log book and had my temp repairman
cert approved within minutes.
I have a member of my EAA chapter writing on a calander on the wall for his construction
log for his RV-8. (He works close with the FAA on a lot of things,
including his managing an airport.)
Tony Graziano
601XL; N493TG ;265 hrs
Subject: Documenting construction From:
Elden Jacobson (eldenej@yahoo.com (eldenej@yahoo.com?subject=Re:%20Documenting%20construction&replyto=216276.69189.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com))
Date: [b]Sun Jul 22 - 8:41 PM[/b]
>
> > I am neaarly ready to begin. The 601 quick-build is here, as is a new 3300.
I have
> > acquired the various tools needed, and have been reading widely (including
> > this list, for the last four or so months). My wife and I have completed the
> > rudder workshop.
> >
> > Documenting the construction process seems obviously necessary, and I have
been
> > impressed by the several websites that builders have created. But I've little
> > sense as to how you builders have gone about this task of leaving a trail.
> > Ideas on how this is being accomplished would be very welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elden Jacobson
> >
> [b]
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
How does the ground wire look? Are you grounding to the hull or using a seperate
groundwire?
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
This is a good point. I wonder if two floats (one outboard and one inboard in each
tank) wired (in parallel I believe) would give a more accurate reading.
do not archive
[quote="zenith601xl(at)gmail.com"]Even if they work properly, due to the dihedral
in the wing; if the sender is outboard the gauge will read empty while still
about half full, and full until half empty if the sender is inboard. There
is no easy way to avoid this. I too don't like the VW units supplied with the
kit and am considering not cutting holes to install any senders. Visually checking
each tank before each flight and measuring running time with a clock. Basic
but effective. Fuel flow and level indications on a glass panel will be
a back up.
Dennis Shoup
All,
I am looking for some input on the subject of fuel senders. I recently
finished a 601XL and about 20 hours into its life the left fuel tank is
reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right tank on both
"gauges". I traced the left wire all the way back to where it exits the
fuselage and that all looks good. Before I start drilling out rivets in
the sender cover, I thought I would throw this out to this group and see
if anyone has any helpful ideas.
I was not overly impressed with the senders when I put them in. They
were the factory provided units, I think they are VDOs. If I end up
replacing the sender, I would like to "upgrade" if possible (I have the
2x15 gal. tanks). I have seen senders of a similar design in the
Aircraft Spruce catalog for about $12. These had what looked like a
rectangular solid float, rather than the hollow cylindrical float that I
have now.
Two questions:
1> Does anyone have any useful insights that could help
with my current (apparent) sender problem?
2> Does anyone have any recommendations for a superior sender,
if it comes to that?
> [b]
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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I'm surprised anyone here reads that rag. THe whole thing seems to assume that
all pilots are blowhard millionaires. I just have to laugh when I see that rag
at Barnes and Nobles with a cover story the Likes of "Finally, and afforable
6 passenger tubo prop for the average joe: A steal at only $850,000!!!"
[quote="lwinger"]It was a copy of his letter to the editor. For your convenience,
here it is:
"I have been a Flying reader for a long, long time. I want to address the July,
2007 issue and specifically "On Top." Apparently, Richard Collins was assigned
to write a piece about a segment of aviation that he has absolutely no use
for: Light Sport. I have never read a more condescending and disdainful appraisal
of an entire segment of aviation than this one. Richard Collins, nose
in the air, totally dismissed the validity of Light Sport aviation, the airplanes
in this category and its proponents and pilots.
With this article, Flying Magazine has succinctly defined who is NOT a part of
their readership. I am solidly in that category. Thanks for letting me and
my kind know where we stand."
Jay Bannister, Dallas, Texas
Do not archive.
On 6/13/07, David Downey wrote:
> was anyone else able to see the PDF attachment? I could not.
>
> do not archive
>
> Larry Winger wrote:
>
> > Jay,
> >
> > Couldn't have said it better. If 152/172 drivers are the caddies in his aviation
country club, I guess we're the guys who mow the greens and fix the sprinklers.
> >
> > Imagine what Collins would have written about the LSA category if he had figured
out that some of us get pulled through the air with auto conversion engines
(horror of horrors)!
> >
> > Larry Winger
> > Tustin, CA
> > Scratch-built 601XL/Corvair
> > Control surfaces and wing spars complete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > [b]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > [/b]
> >
> [b]
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
----- Original Message -----
From: "oaksnspokes" <oaksnspokes@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL fuel sender
> <oaksnspokes@earthlink.net>
>
>
> All,
>
> I> reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
>
Alan
You have a short to earth or a stuck float. If you have a top mounting
transmitter sugest aluminum cover is shorting to gauge connection.
Clive
Rays 601HD G-CBDG 140 Hrs
the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right >
> Alan Smith
> Zodiac 601XL - N601FW
> Olympia, WA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
s.c.richards(at)homecall. wrote:
> ---
S.C., We can't see your message in the forum. E-mail Matt.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Gig,
Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when
compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market. What I don't
understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required
for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night
flying. I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this
for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight
instruments. I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight
instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is
all I need to fly in fair weather day time.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070722_cessna.html
>
>
> [quote="rstone4(at)hot.rr.com"]Members,
> Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can be seen.
>
> Tracy Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125368#125368
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Documenting construction |
I built my 601xl from the standard kit I wasn't concerned on how many hours
it took so I didn't keep track. I did take many photo's and at the time of
the inspection I loaded them on a CD incase the inspector wanted to view
them. He looked at a few of them (on my laptop), did his inspection, and
issued me an airworthy certificate.
Randy Ferri
601xl/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Documenting construction
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
>>From what I understand, the primary purpose of the documentation (as far
>>as the FAA in concerned) is to prove you built the plane.
>
> I've done mine by taking lots of photos and almost all are either up on my
> website or will be. Ill probably pull several and print them to have on
> hand for the AW inspection. In addition to photos there are a bunch of
> notes I've made on the plans and the construction manual which I will have
> one hand.
>
> I started with Kitlog but was pretty bad about remembering to make the
> entries. To the point where catching up would have been damn near
> impossible.
>
> But I will say if you are going to keep a full log Kit log is the way to
> go.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125339#125339
>
>
>
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tracy
just because it is sport pilot certified does not mean VFR only pilots. I wwould
like the LSA cessna or AMD patriot or 601xl ifr, cause some pilots are not
limited. its just a more affordable plane than a 172. also an LSA pilot can
fly a vfr rate 601xl
just not under IFR conditions.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2007 6:35 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot
>
>
>Gig,
> Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when
>compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market. What I don't
>understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required
>for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night
>flying. I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this
>for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight
>instruments. I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight
>instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is
>all I need to fly in fair weather day time.
>
>Tracy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:20 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot
>
>
>> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>>
>> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070722_cessna.html
>>
>>
>> [quote="rstone4(at)hot.rr.com"]Members,
>> Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can be seen.
>>
>> Tracy Stone
>> Harker Heights, Tx
>> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>>
>>> [b]
>>
>>
>> --------
>> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>> 601XL Under Construction
>> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125368#125368
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Tracy,
Some of my best memories (not necessarily fondest memories) are
flights where I was legal VFR but couldn't see anything out the
windshield. In cases like this, if you don't have any gyro
instruments to fly on you can't keep the plane upright. This is not
IFR because you can see far enough to avoid other airplanes - you
just can see enough to fly your own plane.
This is an excellent reason to equip a VFR only plane for IFR
conditions. It doesn't call for the tight standards applied to
certified IFR planes, but a few gyros are a "Must" for any plane I
fly on long cross country flights. There is also the possibility of
accidental entry into instrument meteorological conditions
(IMC). Again, you need some gyros here to survive the
experience. Inadvertent flight into IMC is a popular way for GA
pilots to kill themselves. Over the typical year, only flying drunk
kills more pilots.
My solution for my Zodiac is to install complete instrumentation in
the form of a Dynon 180.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 03:35 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
>Gig,
> Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in
> price when compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the
> market. What I don't understand is why they are puting flight
> instruments in that are required for instrument flying when the
> sport pilot rules say no instrument or night flying. I had a
> Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this for a
> living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight
> instruments. I have a full compliment of engine instruments but
> flight instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and
> tachometer which is all I need to fly in fair weather day time.
>
>Tracy
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
I just checked the specs for the P/N 226 002 VDO sender and:
The resistance is 10 ohms when the tank is empty (float at bottom) and
180 ohms when full (float at top). If you get a reading of about 10 or
slightly more ohms then I would suspect the float is stuck.
Tony Graziano
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: 601XL fuel sender
From: T. Graziano (tonyplane@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Jul 23 - 12:45 PM
Alan,
For what it is worth.
If I recall, the resistance of the VDO gauge is 30 to 70 ohms. You
could check you wiring to see if there is any resistance (I believe the
30 ohms was either empty or full and 70 ohms also either empty of full,
with in-between neither full nor empty).
You could have a stuck float if you installed it too close to the side
of the tank. I have one of my four tanks (an aux tank) that when empty,
the float does make slight contact the side of the tank. Fortunately,
when fuel is installed, the tank "bulge", relieves this problem. If the
float is stuck, use the 'ol thump the tank when full).
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300A; N493TG; 265 hrs.
601XL fuel sender
From: oaksnspokes (oaksnspokes@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Jul 23 - 9:52 AM
All,
I am looking for some input on the subject of fuel senders. I recently
finished a 601XL and about 20 hours into its life the left fuel tank is
reading zero, regardless of the amount of fuel in the tank. I switched
the sender wires at the Dynon and can read the right tank on both
"gauges". I traced the left wire all the way back to where it exits the
fuselage and that all looks good. Before I start drilling out rivets in
the sender cover, I thought I would throw this out to this group and see
if anyone has any helpful ideas.
I was not overly impressed with the senders when I put them in. They
were the factory provided units, I think they are VDOs. If I end up
replacing the sender, I would like to "upgrade" if possible (I have the
2x15 gal. tanks). I have seen senders of a similar design in the
Aircraft Spruce catalog for about $12. These had what looked like a
rectangular solid float, rather than the hollow cylindrical float that I
have now.
Two questions:
1> Does anyone have any useful insights that could help
with my current (apparent) sender problem?
2> Does anyone have any recommendations for a superior sender,
if it comes to that?
Thanks.
Alan Smith
Zodiac 601XL - N601FW
Olympia, WA
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