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1. 12:45 AM - Jab3300 alternator (howado1@comcast.net)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona)
5. 09:17 AM - Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax (alex_01)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Juan Vega)
8. 09:34 AM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Juan Vega)
9. 09:36 AM - Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? (Juan Vega)
10. 09:50 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit)
11. 09:57 AM - Re: EAA (ashontz)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax (Gig Giacona)
13. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: EAA (Charles Wacker)
14. 10:23 AM - Cessna LSA (n282rs@satx.rr.com)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Brad Larson)
17. 10:50 AM - Re: Cessna LSA (Jaybannist@cs.com)
18. 10:55 AM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Craig Payne)
19. 11:18 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit)
20. 11:20 AM - Re: Cessna LSA (Randy Stout)
21. 11:28 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (ashontz)
22. 11:37 AM - Re: impending forced sale of Zodiac components (ashontz)
23. 12:29 PM - AMD Patriot (Frank Derfler)
24. 12:40 PM - Joining EAA (George Swinford)
25. 12:42 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
26. 12:53 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (AlanSmith)
27. 12:54 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona)
28. 01:03 PM - Re: Jab3300 alternator ()
29. 02:06 PM - Airventure News (Carlos Sa)
30. 02:09 PM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Craig Payne)
31. 02:40 PM - Re: Airventure News (Gig Giacona)
32. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Airventure News (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
33. 02:52 PM - Re:601XL fuel sender (MaxNr@aol.com)
34. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Airventure News (Craig Payne)
35. 03:37 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit)
36. 04:03 PM - Not so fast there... ()
37. 04:57 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (LouB)
38. 05:08 PM - Re: Not so fast there... (George Swinford)
39. 06:24 PM - Re: Joining EAA (robert stone)
40. 07:10 PM - torque wrench (Carlos Sa)
41. 07:21 PM - Re: torque wrench (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
42. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Bob Duns)
43. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
44. 10:44 PM - Joining EAA ()
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| Subject: | Jab3300 alternator |
A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator
regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off
the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual,
pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out?
Comments wil be greatly appreciated.
Howard Carter
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They are not just building an LSA they are building a trainer. This is a replacement
for the 150 that just happens to fit the LSA specs.
BTW. I wouldn't be advertising," I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma
who does this for a living at a cost..."
Some FSDO might just come and yank your AW certificate.
rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote:
> Gig,
> Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when
> compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market. What I don't
> understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required
> for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night
> flying. I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this
> for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight
> instruments. I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight
> instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is
> all I need to fly in fair weather day time.
>
> Tracy
>
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a 601XL and
getting the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer can not
get the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry - GA
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Sure you can and you aren't even getting close to breaking the FARs if you built
it solely for your own education or recreation.
Experimental certificates.
Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:
(g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of
which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction
project solely for their own education or recreation.
Jeyoung65(at)aol.com wrote:
> Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a 601XL and getting
the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer can not get
the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry - GA
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax |
hello, would like to install a fuel flow instrument
any suggestions ord advise for display and sender unit
happy landings
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So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or set
up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige?
Thanks to anyone who can ...
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AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: StolBrit <john.hunter@lineone.net>
>Sent: Jul 24, 2007 12:15 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot
>
>
>So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or
set up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige?
>
>Thanks to anyone who can ...
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125500#125500
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| Subject: | Re: Jab3300 alternator |
should check wiring for a split switch. Alt/ Mag switch.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: howado1@comcast.net
>Sent: Jul 24, 2007 3:44 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator
>
>
>A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator
regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off
the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual,
pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out?
>Comments wil be greatly appreciated.
>Howard Carter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? |
you put cork until it is a snug fit but do not over stuff, or wing skill will bulg
when riveting and not only is it unattractive(like a fat lady in a mini skirt)
but it streses the skin. A little goes a long way.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2007 1:15 PM
>To: Zenith-List Digest Server <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Installing wing tanks in 601XL?
>
>I have a QB 601XL kit with the 15 gal tanks. I was wondering how many layers
of cork people use to install the tanks and how the layers are laid out on the
tank. The plans and photo guides are not consistent nor complete in this regard.
>
>Also, the tanks I got have about a 20x30mm rectangular boss for the drain valve,
that extends 6-7 mm from the tank bottom. Am I supposed to cut a (fairly large)
matching hole for this in the bottom skin, or float the tanks far enough
above the skin and only cut a hole for the valve?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
>N601GE (reserved)
>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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Thanks Juan, but like the guys at the beginning of the thread, I don't have access
to a copy of the AOPA mag.
I guess it will appear on the Zenair or AMD website in due course.
Regards,
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[quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to always learn more about our
planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental
private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine.
I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my
rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great info on
the list.
Darrell Haas
Fairview, Oregon
Do not archive
> [b]
I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put out
the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement filled and
watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I don't know any
stupid people building planes.
do not archive
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax |
Visit Matronics.com
alex_01 wrote:
> hello, would like to install a fuel flow instrument
> any suggestions ord advise for display and sender unit
>
> happy landings
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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I like Sport Aviation best. The Sport Pilot issue is basically a condensed
version of Sport Aviation.
Chuck Wacker
N601CW Quick Build
>From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EAA
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:55:05 -0700
>
>
>[quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to always learn more about
>our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend
>for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport
>Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may
>exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the
>great info on the list.
>
> Darrell Haas
> Fairview, Oregon
>
> Do not archive
>
> > [b]
>
>
>I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put
>out the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement
>filled and watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I
>don't know any stupid people building planes.
>
>do not archive
>
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>Andy Shontz
>CH601XL - Corvair
>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125508#125508
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See if this takes you to the picture. http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
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| Subject: | Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE |
I found the coils and the fuel gauges and added them to the bottom.
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I just finished reading the AOPA article.... about 1.3 pages of text,
three small pics of seats,console,front of cowl and one side view pic.
Bullet points:
- to be a part 23 aircraft
- engine: 0-200 only
- Fits in LSA
- price: $90-95K USD
- very few specs in the article:
VNE: 148k
Cruise @ ???: 118k
Stall: 40k clean, 35k dirty
Climb @ gross 1100fpm
Juan Vega wrote:
>
> AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: StolBrit <john.hunter@lineone.net>
>> Sent: Jul 24, 2007 12:15 PM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot
>>
>>
>> So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or
set up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige?
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who can ...
>>
>>
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125500#125500
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This is a small photo of the new Cessna LSA, not the AMD Patriot.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
>See if this takes you to the picture. http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg
>
>Randy Stout
>San Antonio TX
>www.geocities.com/n282rs
>
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| Subject: | Jab3300 alternator |
Take a look at diagram Z-20 here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf
The title is "Small Jabiru System".
Bottom line is that a permanent magnet alternator like the Jabiru has can't
be shut down. It has no field winding creating the magnetic field, just a
number of permanent magnets. So the best you can do is disconnect it from
the rest of the system. That is what the over-voltage relay does in the
design linked above.
-- Craig
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Blarson - Thanks. I've been wondering how close the bird might be to a faster
701 (the type's only downside). I'll be patient for the pics.
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Ok nevermind then. I should wake up before I write emails. (Graveyard
worker)
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jaybannist@cs.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:47 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cessna LSA
>
>
>
> This is a small photo of the new Cessna LSA, not the AMD Patriot.
>
> Jay in Dallas
> Do not archive
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>
> n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote:
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> >See if this takes you to the picture.
> >http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg
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> >Randy Stout
> >San Antonio TX
> >www.geocities.com/n282rs
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Wow, ONLY $109,000. That's only $100,000 more than a scratch built 601xl. They're
goann ruffle some feathers in the homebuilding community for sure. [Mr. Green]
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: impending forced sale of Zodiac components |
If you do decide to sell the Corvairs I'd like to take a look at them. I'm not
too far away in South Jersey.
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Due to circumstances beyond my control it looks
like I will be getting divorced. As a result, my 601XL project is canceled
and I need to sell the components.
What I have consists of:
The information pack for the 601XL. ($35.00)
The 601XL plans S/N 6404 to the latest release (3rd edition, 3rd revision.
(11" x 17" paper size) and Drawing list 6-X-0 (page 1 of 1),
dated March 15, 2006). ($395.00)
The dual stick supplement drawings. ($45.00)
The taildragger supplement drawings. ($45.00)
All the latest builder guides printed in color on 8.5x11 bond. (price???)All the
newsletters since the advent of the XL (July/Aug 1999-present, $78.00)
The CNC vertical tail kit including rivets, drilled out per drawings and builders
guides, PLUS:
the upper hinge elements finished (not included in the kit, $6.40)the lower forward
fairing skin (not included in the kit, $4.10)the rudder horn (not included
in the kit, $11.20)200 extra Avex 1604 A4 rivets from ZAC (not included in
the kit, $16.00)
75 extra Avex 1604 A5 rivets from ZAC (not included in the kit, $6.75)This kit
was custom fabricated by ZAC for me with 0.020" forward and aft skins . This results
in an assembled rudder that will be about 1 lb heavier than stock but much,
much more durable from a handling standpoint. A second benefit is that the
ribs will pull to it instead of it pulling to the ribs for a much cleaner assembled
appearance.
I would prefer to sell it unassembled (has been assembled complete with Clecos
except for leading edge skin) for two reasons: the buyer can do the assembly easily
and show they did it, and, it will be easier to ship as I can ship it in
ZAC's box. As it is, it needs to be drilled to full diameter (#30 and #20 drills)
and the leading edge skin needs to be fitted.
Shipping is estimated at about $35.00 + insurance.
I would like to sell the lot together for $600 plus shipping/insurance. Please
contact me with any questions.
I do not plan to sell my 2 Corvair cores at this time.
A note about the job: I have spent my entire 35 year career in aircraft fabrication
and then in Aerospace Materials Engineering. This is the first aircraft assembly
work that I have done in over 20 years but is good workmanship because
I spent some time building dummy structures until my skills came back up to par.
Thanks for considering helping me at this point.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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Tracy Stone asked: "Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can
be seen." It is in the latest issue of AOPA Pilot Magazine, but to make it
easy for you I posted a picture of the Patriot (and my 601) on my blog:
http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/
--
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The thread launched by Darrel Haas' inquiry about the best choice of EAA
publications misses a couple of very important points, it seems to me.
First, EAA is about a lot more than the several magazines it publishes.
It provides the sport aviation community with a voice in Congress when
issues like the FAA's push for user fees come up. No other organization
represents the interests of the amateur builder. EAA played a large
role in legalizing the use of auto gas in our airplanes and is still one
of the two sources for an auto fuel STC. The Sport Pilot certificate
and the Light Sport category wouldn't exist today if it weren't for a
long continuing effort on the part of EAA. They continue to push the
FAA to relax restrictions on pilots with medical issues which don't
affect safety.
Second, the national EAA organization provides support for the hundreds
of local EAA chapters which are the most valuable source of information
and support for many homebuilders. National EAA membership is required
for chapter membership, although I'm sure there are some freeloaders
hanging around the fringes of some local chapters. I am always
surprised when I hear of builders and would-be builders who aren't
members.
The size and financial resources of the national EAA make it possible to
obtain insurance coverage for regional fly-ins and chapter-sponsored
aviation events, without which individual chapter officers and members
might be held liable for accidents and injuries.
The EAA Young Eagles program has introduced a million and a half young
Americans to the experience of flight, an experience which may make them
sympathetic to the existence of small local airports and grass roots
flying, even if they don't become actively involved in aviation. This
is a substantial investment in the future of our hobby.
When I was just out of school and had my first steady paycheck I decided
to put my money where my mouth, and my interests were. I joined EAA
then and joined a local chapter as soon as one was organized. In spite
of the changes to the magazines and the dues increases over the years,
I've always felt I had my money's worth. For the reasons above I urge
everyone who hasn't done so to join EAA and support the future
recreational building and flying.
George Swinford EAA #7466
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On 7/24/07, Frank Derfler <fderfler@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/
Thank you for the link. That's a great picture; probably better than
what's in the magazine. :)
Interesting. Looks like a much more spit and polish to the airframe
construction than the 701/801 with their boxy edges. Guess you need
that these days to compete with the plastic planes, whether or not it
helps your aerodynamics. :)
Ihab
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
Ill check the resistance on the sender wire, thats a good tip. I would like to
avoid drilling out my sender access covers, and messing up our new paint, but
expect it to come to that eventually.
The failure must be something other than a physically stuck float, because it failed
when we had about 6 gallons in the tank. I suppose the float could be sitting
on the bottom of the tank, with a hole in it... I have attempted to look
into the tank with a mirror, but have not been able to get the right angle
and the right light.
When the sender was working, it worked well. We were getting reasonable readings
in gallon increments. The float hits the top of travel at about 13 gallons,
so it cant see 14 and 15. When the gauge reads 0 gallons, we still have about
2/3 of a gallon, but thats close enough to zero for me.
Thanks for all the input.
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Alan Smith
Zodiac 601 N601FW
oaksnspokes@earthlink.net
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The homebuilt market isn't where they are aiming.
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ashontz wrote:
> Wow, ONLY $109,000. That's only $100,000 more than a scratch built 601xl. They're
gonna ruffle some feathers in the homebuilding community for sure. [Mr. Green]
>
> Neat looking plane though. Actually, I think I like the original C150s better.
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See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Jab3300 alternator |
More controllable than an automatic overvoltage shutdown would be the use of a
continuous duty relay. It can be located between the alternator , thereby output
and the battery avoiding a long run of heavy gauge wire. The long run of wire
back into the cockpit from the relay is small gauge wire to the switch.
Dred
---- howado1@comcast.net wrote:
>
> A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator
regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off
the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual,
pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out?
> Comments wil be greatly appreciated.
> Howard Carter
>
>
>
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Now, this is innovation ! !! !
http://airventure.org/2007/news/070724_sonex.html
Carlos
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| Subject: | Jab3300 alternator |
> More controllable than an automatic over voltage shutdown would be the use
of a continuous duty relay.
The advantage of an automatic over-voltage shutdown is that it will fire in
less than a second, possibly preventing a fire and saving some very
expensive electronics or your battery.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Airventure News |
If you are talking about the electric engine I have to ask...
How can an engine that can legally fly for 15 minutes or 30 if they make a break
through be considered useful?
But as I said in another forum, I really don't see the kind of technology needed
to make a useful electric powered aircraft coming from a company who's last
engine was from a VW.
What I really think this is is a publicity stunt and a pretty good one.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
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| Subject: | Re: Airventure News |
On 7/24/07, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> How can an engine that can legally fly for 15 minutes or 30 if they
> make a break through be considered useful?
Do they claim it's useful _as is_? Or are they merely releasing news
of an R&D effort? I don't think any of it is for sale at the
moment....
> But as I said in another forum, I really don't see the kind of technology
> needed to make a useful electric powered aircraft coming from a company
> who's last engine was from a VW.
Oh come on, that's an _ad hominem_ if ever I saw one! :) There's no
reason to believe that any company sufficiently motivated cannot pull
together good ideas and good people to make something happen....
In any case, it seems they built a good motor and are now waiting for
a decent enough battery.
Can't blame 'em for trying. And if it spurs someone else who can do
better to do it, well, can't find fault with that....
Ihab
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| Subject: | Re:601XL fuel sender |
A Capacitance fuel sending unit eliminates problems with one end of the tank
higher than the other. Calibration is done with a screwdriver. Any water in
the fuel will cause a false high reading. Its true that you don't need ANY fuel
gauge in an air plane registered other than Standard. In fact, certified
aircraft are allowed operation with fuel gauges inop if they have and comply with
a
Minimum Equipment List. (MEL.) Compliance routinely means a logbook entry &
topping off or measuring with a dip stick. The Dynon line can use either
resistance or capacitance fuel senders.
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| Subject: | Re: Airventure News |
Who knows, the next big thing could start with a couple of bicycle mechanics
from Ohio and a really short flight. Or maybe Randall Fishman from New
Jersey (see page 52 of the July issue of EAA Sport Pilot magazine).
-- Craig
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Frank, Thanks for satisfying my curiosity - no need to hold out for the CH750.
The Patriot doesn't have the same functional beauty as the 701 (it looks like
a slightly classier C150), so I'll be happy to save approaching a 100K and live
with an aircraft that's a few kts slower but which has stacks of character.
Decision made.
Regards,
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| Subject: | Not so fast there... |
Ya'll mean that "do nothing company", NORTHROP as in F-18 & B-2 & the WAY BETTER
YF-23. BUT it was going to be built in the WRONG state so we have the F-22 instead.
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>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Date: 2007/07/23 Mon AM 10:22:09 CDT
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out. Much smaller company right? How ever
look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled COmposite(Spaceship
One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control a new tchnology to
take private industry into space, and they took a potential competitor out before
they grew into a problem.
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There is a picture of the AMD Patriot at this N
Blog site. Click on the picture to enlarge it.
http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/
Looks like the 750 that was referred to in the RAA article several years ago
Lou
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| Subject: | Re: Not so fast there... |
Hey, that's how we got that splendid TFX/F-111 years ago. Or as some of us
soreheads knew it, the LBJ. You trying to suggest that partisan politics is
involved in defense procurement? Shame on you!
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Not so fast there...
>
> Ya'll mean that "do nothing company", NORTHROP as in F-18 & B-2 & the WAY
BETTER YF-23. BUT it was going to be built in the WRONG state so we have the
F-22 instead. KABONG Do Not Archive
>
> >From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> >Date: 2007/07/23 Mon AM 10:22:09 CDT
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA
>
> Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out. Much smaller company right? How
ever look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled
COmposite(Spaceship One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control
a new tchnology to take private industry into space, and they took a
potential competitor out before they grew into a problem.
>
>
> --
1:50 PM
>
>
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Members,
I for one agree with everything George says about membership in
EAA. I am the Coordinator of the Young Eagles Program in my chapter
(542 Killeen, Texas.) We just finished a Flight Rally at the city
airport in Lampasas. We flew 73 children and I think the pilots had as
much fun as the kids did if not more. Like george says, the EAA does a
lot to keep flying available for all of us in the middle class but if
all they did was the Young Eagles Program, I would still be a member so
I could fly children with EAA paying for the insurance and it would be
worth it.
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: George Swinford
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Joining EAA
The thread launched by Darrel Haas' inquiry about the best choice of
EAA publications misses a couple of very important points, it seems to
me.
First, EAA is about a lot more than the several magazines it
publishes. It provides the sport aviation community with a voice in
Congress when issues like the FAA's push for user fees come up. No
other organization represents the interests of the amateur builder. EAA
played a large role in legalizing the use of auto gas in our airplanes
and is still one of the two sources for an auto fuel STC. The Sport
Pilot certificate and the Light Sport category wouldn't exist today if
it weren't for a long continuing effort on the part of EAA. They
continue to push the FAA to relax restrictions on pilots with medical
issues which don't affect safety.
Second, the national EAA organization provides support for the
hundreds of local EAA chapters which are the most valuable source of
information and support for many homebuilders. National EAA membership
is required for chapter membership, although I'm sure there are some
freeloaders hanging around the fringes of some local chapters. I am
always surprised when I hear of builders and would-be builders who
aren't members.
The size and financial resources of the national EAA make it possible
to obtain insurance coverage for regional fly-ins and chapter-sponsored
aviation events, without which individual chapter officers and members
might be held liable for accidents and injuries.
The EAA Young Eagles program has introduced a million and a half young
Americans to the experience of flight, an experience which may make them
sympathetic to the existence of small local airports and grass roots
flying, even if they don't become actively involved in aviation. This
is a substantial investment in the future of our hobby.
When I was just out of school and had my first steady paycheck I
decided to put my money where my mouth, and my interests were. I joined
EAA then and joined a local chapter as soon as one was organized. In
spite of the changes to the magazines and the dues increases over the
years, I've always felt I had my money's worth. For the reasons above I
urge everyone who hasn't done so to join EAA and support the future
recreational building and flying.
George Swinford EAA #7466
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Hello, all
I am ready to acquire a torque wrench. (Actually, it'll have to be two -
read on.)
I took a look on the net and found a wide range of prices (from around $30
to many hundreds).
Then I searched the Z-list archives and found several tips. This one, in
response to a query from Bill Morelli is on top of my list:
*I have two torque wrenches. One 20 to 200 Inch/Lbs. The other is 10 to 150
Foot/Lbs.
Bought them from JC Whitney $22 for one and $24 (US) for the other.
Leo Gates*
These wrenches are still in the approximate price range, even though the
posting dates to July 31, 1998!
http://www.jcwhitney.com
QUESTION: the specs mention 1/4" and 1/2" drive (and some others 3/8"). Is
that the size of the square "peg" where the socket inserts?
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: torque wrench |
In a message dated 7/24/2007 10:11:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
Carlos
Carlos, you are right, 1/4, 3/8. and 1/2 is the size of the sq. drive. 3/8
would be a good size for building this aircraft. Jerry Ga
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| Subject: | Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE |
Hi:
Thanks for updated list of fuel and Ign system parts.
You list facet fuel pump FP 40108 @ 13.40. Do you know the difference between
an FP 40108 and a plain 40108. Wicks lists FP 40108 and AS lists 40108 @ 38.50
, no FP 40108. What does the "FP" mean.
Thanks.
Bob D.
601HD/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE |
That's just the way they do their part # it is the same pump. The price
could be different when you order it but I saw it was cheaper there so I put it
in.
Jeff
In a message dated 7/24/2007 10:41:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rduns@sasktel.net writes:
You list facet fuel pump FP 40108 @ 13.40. Do you know the difference
between an FP 40108 and a plain 40108. Wicks lists FP 40108 and AS lists 40108
@
38.50 , no FP 40108. What does the "FP" mean.
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AMEN to that. I'm YE's Coord. for Apple Valley Chapter #768. We fly every month
after the meeting. Only have canceled flights due to weather twice in 5 years.
High winds and/or bumpy conditions do not, IMNSHO, make for "good" YE flights.
We average 6-8 each month with 21 just back in June 07. With the support, not
counting the insurance, we get from EAA OSH more than make up for the little
I spend as a member. With all the FREE stuff they supply I rate it as the best
bang for the buck of any originations I've ever belonged to over the past 50
years.
The only thing I ponder is that NO EAA Chapter can own and fly an experimental
Aircraft. I know the problem: Too much insurance "exposure", kinda like the ACS
race from APV to EAA SW Regional in Arizona that went the way of the "bean"
counters. KABONG HRII 300 plus hrs. Do Not Archive
From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Date: 2007/07/24 Tue PM 08:23:41 CDT
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Joining EAA
>Members, I for one agree with everything George says about membership in EAA.
I am the Coordinator of the Young Eagles Program in my chapter (542 Killeen,
Texas.) We just finished a Flight Rally at the city airport in Lampasas. We flew
73 children and I think the pilots had as much fun as the kids did if not more.
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