---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/24/07: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:45 AM - Jab3300 alternator (howado1@comcast.net) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 4. 08:54 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona) 5. 09:17 AM - Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax (alex_01) 6. 09:17 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit) 7. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Juan Vega) 8. 09:34 AM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Juan Vega) 9. 09:36 AM - Re: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? (Juan Vega) 10. 09:50 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit) 11. 09:57 AM - Re: EAA (ashontz) 12. 09:59 AM - Re: Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax (Gig Giacona) 13. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: EAA (Charles Wacker) 14. 10:23 AM - Cessna LSA (n282rs@satx.rr.com) 15. 10:34 AM - Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 16. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Brad Larson) 17. 10:50 AM - Re: Cessna LSA (Jaybannist@cs.com) 18. 10:55 AM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Craig Payne) 19. 11:18 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit) 20. 11:20 AM - Re: Cessna LSA (Randy Stout) 21. 11:28 AM - Re: AMD Patriot (ashontz) 22. 11:37 AM - Re: impending forced sale of Zodiac components (ashontz) 23. 12:29 PM - AMD Patriot (Frank Derfler) 24. 12:40 PM - Joining EAA (George Swinford) 25. 12:42 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (ihab.awad@gmail.com) 26. 12:53 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (AlanSmith) 27. 12:54 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (Gig Giacona) 28. 01:03 PM - Re: Jab3300 alternator () 29. 02:06 PM - Airventure News (Carlos Sa) 30. 02:09 PM - Re: Jab3300 alternator (Craig Payne) 31. 02:40 PM - Re: Airventure News (Gig Giacona) 32. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Airventure News (ihab.awad@gmail.com) 33. 02:52 PM - Re:601XL fuel sender (MaxNr@aol.com) 34. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Airventure News (Craig Payne) 35. 03:37 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (StolBrit) 36. 04:03 PM - Not so fast there... () 37. 04:57 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (LouB) 38. 05:08 PM - Re: Not so fast there... (George Swinford) 39. 06:24 PM - Re: Joining EAA (robert stone) 40. 07:10 PM - torque wrench (Carlos Sa) 41. 07:21 PM - Re: torque wrench (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 42. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Bob Duns) 43. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 44. 10:44 PM - Joining EAA () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:23 AM PST US From: howado1@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual, pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out? Comments wil be greatly appreciated. Howard Carter ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "Gig Giacona" They are not just building an LSA they are building a trainer. This is a replacement for the 150 that just happens to fit the LSA specs. BTW. I wouldn't be advertising," I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this for a living at a cost..." Some FSDO might just come and yank your AW certificate. rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote: > Gig, > Thanks much, it's a nice looking aircraft but a bit high in price when > compaired to the other light sport aircraft on the market. What I don't > understand is why they are puting flight instruments in that are required > for instrument flying when the sport pilot rules say no instrument or night > flying. I had a Zenith Zodiac601XL built by a man in Oklahoma who does this > for a living at a cost of $76,000 but there are almost no flight > instruments. I have a full compliment of engine instruments but flight > instruments are air speed, altimeter, rate of climb and tachometer which is > all I need to fly in fair weather day time. > > Tracy > > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125476#125476 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:08 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a 601XL and getting the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer can not get the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry - GA ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "Gig Giacona" Sure you can and you aren't even getting close to breaking the FARs if you built it solely for your own education or recreation. Experimental certificates. Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes: (g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation. Jeyoung65(at)aol.com wrote: > Just another question, is there anything wrong with building a 601XL and getting the AW then selling the aircraft? I understand that the buyer can not get the AW certificate as he did not build 51%. Jerry - GA > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125495#125495 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax From: "alex_01" hello, would like to install a fuel flow instrument any suggestions ord advise for display and sender unit happy landings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125498#125498 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "StolBrit" So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or set up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige? Thanks to anyone who can ... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125500#125500 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:57 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: StolBrit >Sent: Jul 24, 2007 12:15 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot > > >So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or set up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige? > >Thanks to anyone who can ... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125500#125500 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:53 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator should check wiring for a split switch. Alt/ Mag switch. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: howado1@comcast.net >Sent: Jul 24, 2007 3:44 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator > > >A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual, pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out? >Comments wil be greatly appreciated. >Howard Carter > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:39 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? you put cork until it is a snug fit but do not over stuff, or wing skill will bulg when riveting and not only is it unattractive(like a fat lady in a mini skirt) but it streses the skin. A little goes a long way. -----Original Message----- >From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" >Sent: Jul 22, 2007 1:15 PM >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: Installing wing tanks in 601XL? > >I have a QB 601XL kit with the 15 gal tanks. I was wondering how many layers of cork people use to install the tanks and how the layers are laid out on the tank. The plans and photo guides are not consistent nor complete in this regard. > >Also, the tanks I got have about a 20x30mm rectangular boss for the drain valve, that extends 6-7 mm from the tank bottom. Am I supposed to cut a (fairly large) matching hole for this in the bottom skin, or float the tanks far enough above the skin and only cut a hole for the valve? > >Thanks, >Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ >N601GE (reserved) >601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "StolBrit" Thanks Juan, but like the guys at the beginning of the thread, I don't have access to a copy of the AOPA mag. I guess it will appear on the Zenair or AMD website in due course. Regards, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125507#125507 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EAA From: "ashontz" [quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to always learn more about our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the great info on the list. Darrell Haas Fairview, Oregon Do not archive > [b] I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put out the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement filled and watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I don't know any stupid people building planes. do not archive -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125508#125508 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Flow 601xl 912s rotax From: "Gig Giacona" Visit Matronics.com alex_01 wrote: > hello, would like to install a fuel flow instrument > any suggestions ord advise for display and sender unit > > happy landings -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125509#125509 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:33 AM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: EAA I like Sport Aviation best. The Sport Pilot issue is basically a condensed version of Sport Aviation. Chuck Wacker N601CW Quick Build >From: "ashontz" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: EAA >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:55:05 -0700 > > >[quote="Darrellhaas(at)verizon.ne"]In an effort to always learn more about >our planes I thought about joining EAA. Which magazine do people recommend >for experimental private pilots? The Sport Aviation magazine or the Sport >Pilot Magazine. I am a private pilot and will be building a 601 XL but may >exercise my rights to be a Sport Pilot as I get older. Thanks for all the >great info on the list. > > Darrell Haas > Fairview, Oregon > > Do not archive > > > [b] > > >I don't like either one. They're just flashy rags anymore. They used to put >out the Experimenter which was great. These new one's are advertizement >filled and watered down for the ignorant masses, which is odd because I >don't know any stupid people building planes. > >do not archive > >-------- >Andy Shontz >CH601XL - Corvair >www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125508#125508 > > _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Cessna LSA From: n282rs@satx.rr.com See if this takes you to the picture. http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg Randy Stout San Antonio TX www.geocities.com/n282rs ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:17 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE I found the coils and the fuel gauges and added them to the bottom. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:32 AM PST US From: Brad Larson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot I just finished reading the AOPA article.... about 1.3 pages of text, three small pics of seats,console,front of cowl and one side view pic. Bullet points: - to be a part 23 aircraft - engine: 0-200 only - Fits in LSA - price: $90-95K USD - very few specs in the article: VNE: 148k Cruise @ ???: 118k Stall: 40k clean, 35k dirty Climb @ gross 1100fpm Juan Vega wrote: > > AOPA's new magazine has an article on the Patriot. > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: StolBrit >> Sent: Jul 24, 2007 12:15 PM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot >> >> >> So - has anyone actually got a photo of the AMD Patriot that they can post or set up a link to? Anybody reading this at Oshkosh who can oblige? >> >> Thanks to anyone who can ... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125500#125500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:05 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cessna LSA This is a small photo of the new Cessna LSA, not the AMD Patriot. Jay in Dallas Do not archive n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote: > >See if this takes you to the picture. http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg > >Randy Stout >San Antonio TX >www.geocities.com/n282rs > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:27 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator Take a look at diagram Z-20 here: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11J.pdf The title is "Small Jabiru System". Bottom line is that a permanent magnet alternator like the Jabiru has can't be shut down. It has no field winding creating the magnetic field, just a number of permanent magnets. So the best you can do is disconnect it from the rest of the system. That is what the over-voltage relay does in the design linked above. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "StolBrit" Blarson - Thanks. I've been wondering how close the bird might be to a faster 701 (the type's only downside). I'll be patient for the pics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125524#125524 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:24 AM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cessna LSA Ok nevermind then. I should wake up before I write emails. (Graveyard worker) Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jaybannist@cs.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:47 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cessna LSA > > > > This is a small photo of the new Cessna LSA, not the AMD Patriot. > > Jay in Dallas > Do not archive > > > n282rs@satx.rr.com wrote: > > > > >See if this takes you to the picture. > >http://download.aopa.org/images/epilot/070723cessna.jpg > > > >Randy Stout > >San Antonio TX > >www.geocities.com/n282rs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "ashontz" Wow, ONLY $109,000. That's only $100,000 more than a scratch built 601xl. They're goann ruffle some feathers in the homebuilding community for sure. [Mr. Green] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125526#125526 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: impending forced sale of Zodiac components From: "ashontz" If you do decide to sell the Corvairs I'd like to take a look at them. I'm not too far away in South Jersey. [quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Due to circumstances beyond my control it looks like I will be getting divorced. As a result, my 601XL project is canceled and I need to sell the components. What I have consists of: The information pack for the 601XL. ($35.00) The 601XL plans S/N 6404 to the latest release (3rd edition, 3rd revision. (11" x 17" paper size) and Drawing list 6-X-0 (page 1 of 1), dated March 15, 2006). ($395.00) The dual stick supplement drawings. ($45.00) The taildragger supplement drawings. ($45.00) All the latest builder guides printed in color on 8.5x11 bond. (price???)All the newsletters since the advent of the XL (July/Aug 1999-present, $78.00) The CNC vertical tail kit including rivets, drilled out per drawings and builders guides, PLUS: the upper hinge elements finished (not included in the kit, $6.40)the lower forward fairing skin (not included in the kit, $4.10)the rudder horn (not included in the kit, $11.20)200 extra Avex 1604 A4 rivets from ZAC (not included in the kit, $16.00) 75 extra Avex 1604 A5 rivets from ZAC (not included in the kit, $6.75)This kit was custom fabricated by ZAC for me with 0.020" forward and aft skins . This results in an assembled rudder that will be about 1 lb heavier than stock but much, much more durable from a handling standpoint. A second benefit is that the ribs will pull to it instead of it pulling to the ribs for a much cleaner assembled appearance. I would prefer to sell it unassembled (has been assembled complete with Clecos except for leading edge skin) for two reasons: the buyer can do the assembly easily and show they did it, and, it will be easier to ship as I can ship it in ZAC's box. As it is, it needs to be drilled to full diameter (#30 and #20 drills) and the leading edge skin needs to be fitted. Shipping is estimated at about $35.00 + insurance. I would like to sell the lot together for $600 plus shipping/insurance. Please contact me with any questions. I do not plan to sell my 2 Corvair cores at this time. A note about the job: I have spent my entire 35 year career in aircraft fabrication and then in Aerospace Materials Engineering. This is the first aircraft assembly work that I have done in over 20 years but is good workmanship because I spent some time building dummy structures until my skills came back up to par. Thanks for considering helping me at this point. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA Zodiac 601XL/Corvair? Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites (http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097;_ylc=X3oDMTFtNW45amVpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw-- ) to find flight and hotel bargains. > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125529#125529 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:16 PM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot Tracy Stone asked: "Does anyone know where a picture of this aircraft can be seen." It is in the latest issue of AOPA Pilot Magazine, but to make it easy for you I posted a picture of the Patriot (and my 601) on my blog: http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/ -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:51 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Zenith-List: Joining EAA The thread launched by Darrel Haas' inquiry about the best choice of EAA publications misses a couple of very important points, it seems to me. First, EAA is about a lot more than the several magazines it publishes. It provides the sport aviation community with a voice in Congress when issues like the FAA's push for user fees come up. No other organization represents the interests of the amateur builder. EAA played a large role in legalizing the use of auto gas in our airplanes and is still one of the two sources for an auto fuel STC. The Sport Pilot certificate and the Light Sport category wouldn't exist today if it weren't for a long continuing effort on the part of EAA. They continue to push the FAA to relax restrictions on pilots with medical issues which don't affect safety. Second, the national EAA organization provides support for the hundreds of local EAA chapters which are the most valuable source of information and support for many homebuilders. National EAA membership is required for chapter membership, although I'm sure there are some freeloaders hanging around the fringes of some local chapters. I am always surprised when I hear of builders and would-be builders who aren't members. The size and financial resources of the national EAA make it possible to obtain insurance coverage for regional fly-ins and chapter-sponsored aviation events, without which individual chapter officers and members might be held liable for accidents and injuries. The EAA Young Eagles program has introduced a million and a half young Americans to the experience of flight, an experience which may make them sympathetic to the existence of small local airports and grass roots flying, even if they don't become actively involved in aviation. This is a substantial investment in the future of our hobby. When I was just out of school and had my first steady paycheck I decided to put my money where my mouth, and my interests were. I joined EAA then and joined a local chapter as soon as one was organized. In spite of the changes to the magazines and the dues increases over the years, I've always felt I had my money's worth. For the reasons above I urge everyone who hasn't done so to join EAA and support the future recreational building and flying. George Swinford EAA #7466 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:02 PM PST US From: ihab.awad@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot On 7/24/07, Frank Derfler wrote: > http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/ Thank you for the link. That's a great picture; probably better than what's in the magazine. :) Interesting. Looks like a much more spit and polish to the airframe construction than the 701/801 with their boxy edges. Guess you need that these days to compete with the plastic planes, whether or not it helps your aerodynamics. :) Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL fuel sender From: "AlanSmith" Ill check the resistance on the sender wire, thats a good tip. I would like to avoid drilling out my sender access covers, and messing up our new paint, but expect it to come to that eventually. The failure must be something other than a physically stuck float, because it failed when we had about 6 gallons in the tank. I suppose the float could be sitting on the bottom of the tank, with a hole in it... I have attempted to look into the tank with a mirror, but have not been able to get the right angle and the right light. When the sender was working, it worked well. We were getting reasonable readings in gallon increments. The float hits the top of travel at about 13 gallons, so it cant see 14 and 15. When the gauge reads 0 gallons, we still have about 2/3 of a gallon, but thats close enough to zero for me. Thanks for all the input. -------- Alan Smith Zodiac 601 N601FW oaksnspokes@earthlink.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125545#125545 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "Gig Giacona" The homebuilt market isn't where they are aiming. DO NOT ARCHIVE ashontz wrote: > Wow, ONLY $109,000. That's only $100,000 more than a scratch built 601xl. They're gonna ruffle some feathers in the homebuilding community for sure. [Mr. Green] > > Neat looking plane though. Actually, I think I like the original C150s better. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125546#125546 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:34 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator More controllable than an automatic overvoltage shutdown would be the use of a continuous duty relay. It can be located between the alternator , thereby output and the battery avoiding a long run of heavy gauge wire. The long run of wire back into the cockpit from the relay is small gauge wire to the switch. Dred ---- howado1@comcast.net wrote: > > A question for users of the Jab3300: have you been able to wire the alternator regulator into one of the Z- schematics by Bob Knukolls? How do you shut off the alternator? As you probably know, the wiring diagrams in the Jab manual, pages 54 and 65, are inconsistent. Any of you sorted this out? > Comments wil be greatly appreciated. > Howard Carter > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:15 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith-List: Airventure News Now, this is innovation ! !! ! http://airventure.org/2007/news/070724_sonex.html Carlos do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:43 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jab3300 alternator > More controllable than an automatic over voltage shutdown would be the use of a continuous duty relay. The advantage of an automatic over-voltage shutdown is that it will fire in less than a second, possibly preventing a fire and saving some very expensive electronics or your battery. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Airventure News From: "Gig Giacona" If you are talking about the electric engine I have to ask... How can an engine that can legally fly for 15 minutes or 30 if they make a break through be considered useful? But as I said in another forum, I really don't see the kind of technology needed to make a useful electric powered aircraft coming from a company who's last engine was from a VW. What I really think this is is a publicity stunt and a pretty good one. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125560#125560 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:07 PM PST US From: ihab.awad@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Airventure News On 7/24/07, Gig Giacona wrote: > How can an engine that can legally fly for 15 minutes or 30 if they > make a break through be considered useful? Do they claim it's useful _as is_? Or are they merely releasing news of an R&D effort? I don't think any of it is for sale at the moment.... > But as I said in another forum, I really don't see the kind of technology > needed to make a useful electric powered aircraft coming from a company > who's last engine was from a VW. Oh come on, that's an _ad hominem_ if ever I saw one! :) There's no reason to believe that any company sufficiently motivated cannot pull together good ideas and good people to make something happen.... In any case, it seems they built a good motor and are now waiting for a decent enough battery. Can't blame 'em for trying. And if it spurs someone else who can do better to do it, well, can't find fault with that.... Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:32 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:601XL fuel sender A Capacitance fuel sending unit eliminates problems with one end of the tank higher than the other. Calibration is done with a screwdriver. Any water in the fuel will cause a false high reading. Its true that you don't need ANY fuel gauge in an air plane registered other than Standard. In fact, certified aircraft are allowed operation with fuel gauges inop if they have and comply with a Minimum Equipment List. (MEL.) Compliance routinely means a logbook entry & topping off or measuring with a dip stick. The Dynon line can use either resistance or capacitance fuel senders. Do not archive Bob XL/Lyc ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:38 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Airventure News Who knows, the next big thing could start with a couple of bicycle mechanics from Ohio and a really short flight. Or maybe Randall Fishman from New Jersey (see page 52 of the July issue of EAA Sport Pilot magazine). -- Craig ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "StolBrit" Frank, Thanks for satisfying my curiosity - no need to hold out for the CH750. The Patriot doesn't have the same functional beauty as the 701 (it looks like a slightly classier C150), so I'll be happy to save approaching a 100K and live with an aircraft that's a few kts slower but which has stacks of character. Decision made. Regards, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125573#125573 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:24 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Not so fast there... Ya'll mean that "do nothing company", NORTHROP as in F-18 & B-2 & the WAY BETTER YF-23. BUT it was going to be built in the WRONG state so we have the F-22 instead. KABONG Do Not Archive >From: Juan Vega >Date: 2007/07/23 Mon AM 10:22:09 CDT >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out. Much smaller company right? How ever look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled COmposite(Spaceship One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control a new tchnology to take private industry into space, and they took a potential competitor out before they grew into a problem. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "LouB" There is a picture of the AMD Patriot at this N Blog site. Click on the picture to enlarge it. http://mostlyflying.blogspot.com/ Looks like the 750 that was referred to in the RAA article several years ago Lou Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125580#125580 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/183amandpatriotateastmanmay2007_158.jpg ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:34 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Not so fast there... Hey, that's how we got that splendid TFX/F-111 years ago. Or as some of us soreheads knew it, the LBJ. You trying to suggest that partisan politics is involved in defense procurement? Shame on you! George Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Not so fast there... > > Ya'll mean that "do nothing company", NORTHROP as in F-18 & B-2 & the WAY BETTER YF-23. BUT it was going to be built in the WRONG state so we have the F-22 instead. KABONG Do Not Archive > > >From: Juan Vega > >Date: 2007/07/23 Mon AM 10:22:09 CDT > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: EAA > > Look at NORTHROP buying Burt Rutan out. Much smaller company right? How ever look at Burt rutan's technology and if NORTHROP takes Scaled COmposite(Spaceship One) and pumps more money into it, they now will control a new tchnology to take private industry into space, and they took a potential competitor out before they grew into a problem. > > > -- 1:50 PM > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:48 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Joining EAA Members, I for one agree with everything George says about membership in EAA. I am the Coordinator of the Young Eagles Program in my chapter (542 Killeen, Texas.) We just finished a Flight Rally at the city airport in Lampasas. We flew 73 children and I think the pilots had as much fun as the kids did if not more. Like george says, the EAA does a lot to keep flying available for all of us in the middle class but if all they did was the Young Eagles Program, I would still be a member so I could fly children with EAA paying for the insurance and it would be worth it. Tracy Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: George Swinford To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Joining EAA The thread launched by Darrel Haas' inquiry about the best choice of EAA publications misses a couple of very important points, it seems to me. First, EAA is about a lot more than the several magazines it publishes. It provides the sport aviation community with a voice in Congress when issues like the FAA's push for user fees come up. No other organization represents the interests of the amateur builder. EAA played a large role in legalizing the use of auto gas in our airplanes and is still one of the two sources for an auto fuel STC. The Sport Pilot certificate and the Light Sport category wouldn't exist today if it weren't for a long continuing effort on the part of EAA. They continue to push the FAA to relax restrictions on pilots with medical issues which don't affect safety. Second, the national EAA organization provides support for the hundreds of local EAA chapters which are the most valuable source of information and support for many homebuilders. National EAA membership is required for chapter membership, although I'm sure there are some freeloaders hanging around the fringes of some local chapters. I am always surprised when I hear of builders and would-be builders who aren't members. The size and financial resources of the national EAA make it possible to obtain insurance coverage for regional fly-ins and chapter-sponsored aviation events, without which individual chapter officers and members might be held liable for accidents and injuries. The EAA Young Eagles program has introduced a million and a half young Americans to the experience of flight, an experience which may make them sympathetic to the existence of small local airports and grass roots flying, even if they don't become actively involved in aviation. This is a substantial investment in the future of our hobby. When I was just out of school and had my first steady paycheck I decided to put my money where my mouth, and my interests were. I joined EAA then and joined a local chapter as soon as one was organized. In spite of the changes to the magazines and the dues increases over the years, I've always felt I had my money's worth. For the reasons above I urge everyone who hasn't done so to join EAA and support the future recreational building and flying. George Swinford EAA #7466 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:27 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith-List: torque wrench Hello, all I am ready to acquire a torque wrench. (Actually, it'll have to be two - read on.) I took a look on the net and found a wide range of prices (from around $30 to many hundreds). Then I searched the Z-list archives and found several tips. This one, in response to a query from Bill Morelli is on top of my list: *I have two torque wrenches. One 20 to 200 Inch/Lbs. The other is 10 to 150 Foot/Lbs. Bought them from JC Whitney $22 for one and $24 (US) for the other. Leo Gates* These wrenches are still in the approximate price range, even though the posting dates to July 31, 1998! http://www.jcwhitney.com QUESTION: the specs mention 1/4" and 1/2" drive (and some others 3/8"). Is that the size of the square "peg" where the socket inserts? Thanks in advance Carlos CH601-HD, plans Montreal, Canada ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:05 PM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: torque wrench In a message dated 7/24/2007 10:11:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, carlossa52@gmail.com writes: Carlos Carlos, you are right, 1/4, 3/8. and 1/2 is the size of the sq. drive. 3/8 would be a good size for building this aircraft. Jerry Ga DO NOT ARCHIVE ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:03 PM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE Hi: Thanks for updated list of fuel and Ign system parts. You list facet fuel pump FP 40108 @ 13.40. Do you know the difference between an FP 40108 and a plain 40108. Wicks lists FP 40108 and AS lists 40108 @ 38.50 , no FP 40108. What does the "FP" mean. Thanks. Bob D. 601HD/Corvair ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:34 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: WW 601 Fuel and Ign System Parts list UPDATE That's just the way they do their part # it is the same pump. The price could be different when you order it but I saw it was cheaper there so I put it in. Jeff In a message dated 7/24/2007 10:41:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rduns@sasktel.net writes: You list facet fuel pump FP 40108 @ 13.40. Do you know the difference between an FP 40108 and a plain 40108. Wicks lists FP 40108 and AS lists 40108 @ 38.50 , no FP 40108. What does the "FP" mean. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:28 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Joining EAA AMEN to that. I'm YE's Coord. for Apple Valley Chapter #768. We fly every month after the meeting. Only have canceled flights due to weather twice in 5 years. High winds and/or bumpy conditions do not, IMNSHO, make for "good" YE flights. We average 6-8 each month with 21 just back in June 07. With the support, not counting the insurance, we get from EAA OSH more than make up for the little I spend as a member. With all the FREE stuff they supply I rate it as the best bang for the buck of any originations I've ever belonged to over the past 50 years. The only thing I ponder is that NO EAA Chapter can own and fly an experimental Aircraft. I know the problem: Too much insurance "exposure", kinda like the ACS race from APV to EAA SW Regional in Arizona that went the way of the "bean" counters. KABONG HRII 300 plus hrs. Do Not Archive From: robert stone >Date: 2007/07/24 Tue PM 08:23:41 CDT >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Joining EAA >Members, I for one agree with everything George says about membership in EAA. I am the Coordinator of the Young Eagles Program in my chapter (542 Killeen, Texas.) We just finished a Flight Rally at the city airport in Lampasas. We flew 73 children and I think the pilots had as much fun as the kids did if not more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.