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1. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (David Downey)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (Jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (David Brooks)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (Carlos Sa)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (Dave Austin)
6. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (a.f.rupp@ATT.NET)
7. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (David Brooks)
8. 07:36 AM - invisible messages (was More torque wrench) (Carlos Sa)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Empty Messages (Al Hays)
10. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (David Downey)
11. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Empty Messages (David Downey)
12. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Empty Messages (Jaybannist@cs.com)
13. 12:40 PM - Re: 601XL fuel sender (Gig Giacona)
14. 12:43 PM - Re: closing wing (Gig Giacona)
15. 12:44 PM - Aircraft Spruce is amazing! (C Smith)
16. 01:36 PM - Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! (wade jones)
17. 01:54 PM - Re: closing wing (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
18. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: closing wing (Bob Duns)
19. 03:08 PM - Re: CNC Program 601xl (Jason Bogli)
20. 03:29 PM - I need to sell these Instruments (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
21. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: More torque wrench (Southern Reflections)
22. 05:07 PM - Re: AMD Patriot/cup holder (Dave Thompson)
23. 07:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! (Ron Lalonde)
24. 07:27 PM - Prop bolt torque (dj45)
25. 07:47 PM - Re: Prop bolt torque (wade jones)
26. 07:52 PM - Comparative "brand" question... (David Brooks)
27. 07:54 PM - PROPELLER INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS (wade jones)
28. 08:06 PM - Re: Prop bolt torque (Kevin L. Rupert)
29. 08:14 PM - Fw: Prop bolt torque (wade jones)
30. 08:51 PM - Re: Comparative "brand" question... (Paul Mulwitz)
31. 10:46 PM - Re: Comparative "brand" question... (jetboy)
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
torque to the low limit and tighten to the next slot/hole combination. If the bolt
has 4 holes and the nut has 3 slots it is very easy to make the middle of
the range. If the bolt has 1 hole and the nut has 3 slots you may need an AN960
"L" washer to adjust the length under the nut.
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
Dave,
I don't know what you do differently, but about half the time I click on your message
in the forum, it is blank. Sometimes, like today, I go to reply, and your
message comes up in the reply box. Strange.
Jay
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>torque to the low limit and tighten to the next slot/hole combination. If the
bolt has 4 holes and the nut has 3 slots it is very easy to make the middle of
the range. If the bolt has 1 hole and the nut has 3 slots you may need an AN960
"L" washer to adjust the length under the nut.
>
>
>David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
>
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
Dave, Jay -
Dave's messages come up blank for me as well but I don't see the message
when I hit Reply. Kind of a bummer too, when I do see his messages quoted
in replies they look pretty informative and useful.
I am reading the messages in gmail, in Firefox 2.0.0.5 or IE7 on XP Pro. If
that matters.
Dave
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On 7/27/07, Jaybannist@cs.com <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I don't know what you do differently, but about half the time I click on
> your message in the forum, it is blank. Sometimes, like today, I go to
> reply, and your message comes up in the reply box. Strange.
>
> Jay
>
>
> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >torque to the low limit and tighten to the next slot/hole combination. If
> the bolt has 4 holes and the nut has 3 slots it is very easy to make the
> middle of the range. If the bolt has 1 hole and the nut has 3 slots you may
> need an AN960 "L" washer to adjust the length under the nut.
> >
> >
> >David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: to amazing places on Yahoo!
> Travel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Downey
> > Harleysville (SE) PA
> > 100 HP Corvair
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
Same happens to me, but Dave is not the only source of apparently empty
messages.
I am using gmail, and can see the msg if I select "show original".
My environment is similar: XP Pro, Firefox 2.0.0.5 - but I think this is
independent from the reader environment. More likely it is a Matronics
glitch: This did not happen before HTML was allowed.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
do not archive
On 27/07/07, David Brooks <dkbrooks@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave, Jay -
>
> Dave's messages come up blank for me as well but I don't see the message
> when I hit Reply. Kind of a bummer too, when I do see his messages quoted
> in replies they look pretty informative and useful.
>
> I am reading the messages in gmail, in Firefox 2.0.0.5 or IE7 on XP Pro.
> If that matters.
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
Carlos,
Which "Dave" is it you can't get the msg body from? There are too many
of us!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
To All,
Do not forget that the main reason for torquing is to get the same stretch on all
the fasteners so no one of them is over loaded. Haven't seen that mentioned
in the discussion.
Al Rupp
601XL done awaiting engine.
Mark wrote
If you're talking propeller hub bolts, I don't use castle nuts. I use
Nylock nuts to avoid over-tightening.
Dave wrote:
Are the torque specs so close that it is necessary to go to the
extremes you folks have written of? How about torqueing up bolts
that, by definition, use castle nuts? Do you go up in torque to the
next slot, or down to the previous slot?
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<P>Do not forget that the main reason for torquing is to get the same stretch on
all the fasteners so no one of them is over loaded. Haven't seen that mentioned
in the discussion.</P>
<P>Al Rupp</P>
<P>601XL done awaiting engine.</P>
<P>Mark wrote<BR> If you're talking propeller hub bolts, I don't use castle
nuts. I use <BR> Nylock nuts to avoid over-tightening. <BR> Dave wrote: <BR> Are
the torque specs so close that it is necessary to
go to the <BR> extremes you folks have written of? How about torqueing
up bolts <BR> that, by definition, use castle nuts? Do you go up in torque
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
I can't read David Downey's messages (although Carlos's suggestion of using
"Show Original" in gmail does work).
Dave (Brooks)
On 7/27/07, Dave Austin <daveaustin2@primus.ca> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> Which "Dave" is it you can't get the msg body from? There are too many of
> us!
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
> Do not archive
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | invisible messages (was More torque wrench) |
In this particular instance, I was referring to Dave Downey - he posted two
"invisible" notes.
Carlos
On 27/07/07, Dave Austin <daveaustin2@primus.ca> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> Which "Dave" is it you can't get the msg body from? There are too many of
> us!
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Messages |
After seeing your notes, I just checked and found if I select Plain
Text Alternative, the message content appears. I'm using a Mac. I'd
been experiencing the same thing and thought "send" key might have been
hit by mistake before composing message. Thanks for letting me know
there is message content to be found. I agree about the informative
and useful "missing" content generously being shared.
Al
701&601 Corvair
On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> Same happens to me, but Dave is not the only source of apparently
> empty messages.
> I am using gmail, and can see the msg if I select "show original".
> My environment is similar: XP Pro, Firefox 2.0.0.5 - but I think this
> is independent from the reader environment. More likely it is a
> Matronics glitch: This did not happen before HTML was allowed.
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
> do not archive
>
> On 27/07/07, David Brooks <dkbrooks@gmail.com> wrote:Dave, Jay -
>>
>> Dave's messages come up blank for me as well but I don't see the
>> message when I hit Reply. Kind of a bummer too, when I do see his
>> messages quoted in replies they look pretty informative and useful.
>>
>> I am reading the messages in gmail, in Firefox2.0.0.5 or IE7 on XP
>> Pro. If that matters.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
I know Jay! that is why sometimes you see a posting from me that is blank then
another with the content pasted in from the sent file. I do not know what causes
this.
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Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
Dave,
I don't know what you do differently, but about half the time I click on your message
in the forum, it is blank. Sometimes, like today, I go to reply, and your
message comes up in the reply box. Strange.
Jay
David Downey
wrote:
>torque to the low limit and tighten to the next slot/hole combination. If the
bolt has 4 holes and the nut has 3 slots it is very easy to make the middle of
the range. If the bolt has 1 hole and the nut has 3 slots you may need an AN960
"L" washer to adjust the length under the nut.
>
>
>David Downey
wrote: to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Messages |
http://sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html
After seeing your notes, I just checked and found if I select Plain
Text Alternative, the message content appears. I'm using a Mac. I'd
been experiencing the same thing and thought "send" key might have been
hit by mistake before composing message. Thanks for letting me know
there is message content to be found. I agree about the informative
and useful "missing" content generously being shared.
Al
701&601 Corvair
On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Carlos Sa wrote:
> Same happens to me, but Dave is not the only source of apparently
> empty messages.
> I am using gmail, and can see the msg if I select "show original".
> My environment is similar: XP Pro, Firefox 2.0.0.5 - but I think this
> is independent from the reader environment. More likely it is a
> Matronics glitch: This did not happen before HTML was allowed.
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
> do not archive
>
> On 27/07/07, David Brooks wrote:Dave, Jay -
>>
>> Dave's messages come up blank for me as well but I don't see the
>> message when I hit Reply. Kind of a bummer too, when I do see his
>> messages quoted in replies they look pretty informative and useful.
>>
>> I am reading the messages in gmail, in Firefox 2.0.0.5 or IE7 on XP
>> Pro. If that matters.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Messages |
Does Harbor Freight carry these? I WANT ONE !! (or two - left & right)
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://sheldonbrown.com/tork-grip.html
>
>
>After seeing your notes, I just checked and found if I select Plain
>Text Alternative, the message content appears. I'm using a Mac. I'd
>been experiencing the same thing and thought "send" key might have been
>hit by mistake before composing message. Thanks for letting me know
>there is message content to be found. I agree about the informative
>and useful "missing" content generously being shared.
>
>Al
>701&601 Corvair
>
>On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Carlos Sa wrote:
>
>> Same happens to me, but Dave is not the only source of apparently
>> empty messages.
>> I am using gmail, and can see the msg if I select "show original".
>> My environment is similar: XP Pro, Firefox 2.0.0.5 - but I think this
>> is independent from the reader environment. More likely it is a
>> Matronics glitch: This did not happen before HTML was allowed.
>>
>> Carlos
>> CH601-HD, plans
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On 27/07/07, David Brooks wrote:Dave, Jay -
>>>
>>> Dave's messages come up blank for me as well but I don't see the
>>> message when I hit Reply. Kind of a bummer too, when I do see his
>>> messages quoted in replies they look pretty informative and useful.
>>>
>>> I am reading the messages in gmail, in Firefox 2.0.0.5 or IE7 on XP
>>> Pro. If that matters.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL fuel sender |
I missed it. What kind of sender are you using?
AlanSmith wrote:
> I have not gotten a chance to put a VOM on the wire yet, but I did fill the take
to about 13 gal. and fly for an hour or so. Somewhere along the way my wife
noticed that the gauge started reading something believable (12.5). After
I while it dropped to 4, than up to 8, then 5....
>
> It can't simply be getting stuck, because there is no reason for it to have ever
hit zero. It can't have a hole in the float, because it never would gave
risen up from zero.
>
> It must be some kind of failure in the sender, or faulty wiring on my part.
> The up-side of these senders is that they fit. No need for any dome covers on
the wings.
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Alan
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125926#125926
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| Subject: | Re: closing wing |
I'm pretty sure I did the bottom first but even looking at the photos on my web
site I can't swear to it.
carlossa52(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Hello, all
>
>
> Any recommendations on the order of riveting the wing skins?
>
> The old CH601-HD manual says the top skin should go first, so you can adjust
any imperfections from underneath, before installing the bottom skin.
>
>
> All input welcome, particularly from -HD and -HDS builders.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD, plans
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125927#125927
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce is amazing! |
placed order Wednesday online, 8 items from various parts of catalog,
selected most economical shipping (FedEx gnd) and order is waiting for me
upon returning home from work today.
Way to go.
CS
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! |
I have the most economical shipping lately by FedEx .Small envelope UPS
$9.12 , Larger envelope US Post office $4.50 and large box by FedEx
$7.95 .All coming from equal distances . Still sore about UPS charge for
ounces .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: C Smith
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing!
placed order Wednesday online, 8 items from various parts of catalog,
selected most economical shipping (FedEx gnd) and order is waiting for
me upon returning home from work today.
Way to go.
CS
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| Subject: | Re: closing wing |
Hi Carlos, I am building a 601HD from plans. Do not think it will make much
difference which one is installed first but I did the bottom first. No
problems. But let me suggest you check the "L" angles for the main gear slides
location before you close the center section using the 3/4" steel tubes. I used
3/4 wood and had a little problem when I started to install the gears, "L"
angles too close and had to file them -hard-. Also had a little problem aligning
the gear tube in the bushings. Jerry - GA
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| Subject: | Re: closing wing |
Regarding closing the wing, I can't offer any suggestion beyond the 601HD
manual which suggests riveting top skin first. But I can offer my
experience as follows. I riveted the top of wing first, then riveted the
bottom skin as suggested in the manual but did not rivet the aileron (rear
edge of skin). Now I find a slight ripple in the top skin along the rear
edge when I try to attach the aileron to the wing. I am planning to remove
most of the rivets in top skin and resecure with clecos to ensure alignment
before final riveting. Perhaps I should have clecoed the entire top skin,
riveted all but the rear rivet line, and left the clecos in the rear rivet
line until the bottom skin was riveted, then rivet the rear top skin rivet
line when ready to install the aileron.
Hope this is not too confusing.
Bob D.
601HD/Corvair
Melfort, Sask.
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| Subject: | Re: CNC Program 601xl |
I was wondering whether anyone had put together cnc programming for 601xl
parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Duns" <rduns@sasktel.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: closing wing
>
> Regarding closing the wing, I can't offer any suggestion beyond the 601HD
> manual which suggests riveting top skin first. But I can offer my
> experience as follows. I riveted the top of wing first, then riveted the
> bottom skin as suggested in the manual but did not rivet the aileron (rear
> edge of skin). Now I find a slight ripple in the top skin along the rear
> edge when I try to attach the aileron to the wing. I am planning to
> remove most of the rivets in top skin and resecure with clecos to ensure
> alignment before final riveting. Perhaps I should have clecoed the entire
> top skin, riveted all but the rear rivet line, and left the clecos in the
> rear rivet line until the bottom skin was riveted, then rivet the rear
> top skin rivet line when ready to install the aileron.
> Hope this is not too confusing.
>
> Bob D.
> 601HD/Corvair
> Melfort, Sask.
>
>
> --
> 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:08 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | I need to sell these Instruments |
I have some instruments I want to sell. I bought them with a kit and I am
not going to use them I am going with the dynon but these are brand new in the
box and would be great for a corvair install. The part #'s listed are from
aircraft spruce where they were bought from and still have their stickers on the
boxes Please make me an offer and we can go from there.
Jeff
MFG Parts for sale aircraft spruce #
Part #
R.C ALLEN ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RCA15AK-2
$1,947.00
UNITED 3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM
10-05200 $369.95
? VERT. CARD COMPASS
10-00421 $269.95
FALCON ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON
10-00013 $1,070.00
UMA INSTRUMENTS TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND. AN5785
$178.95
UMA INSTRUMENTS FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG 10-22250
$140.95
FALCON ALTIMETER
10-04400 $225.95
FALCON NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH 10-00001
$173.95
FALCON ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR 10-22510
$387.95
SCOTT FREE AIR THERO
10-15500 $69.95
COMPOSITE DESIGN POWER PANEL 11-11675
$581.00
Total $5,415.60
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| Subject: | Re: More torque wrench |
It happens to me also....N101HD Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: More torque wrench
>
> Dave,
>
> I don't know what you do differently, but about half the time I click on
> your message in the forum, it is blank. Sometimes, like today, I go to
> reply, and your message comes up in the reply box. Strange.
>
> Jay
>
>
> David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>torque to the low limit and tighten to the next slot/hole combination. If
>>the bolt has 4 holes and the nut has 3 slots it is very easy to make the
>>middle of the range. If the bolt has 1 hole and the nut has 3 slots you
>>may need an AN960 "L" washer to adjust the length under the nut.
>>
>>
>>David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote: to amazing places on Yahoo!
>>Travel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Downey
>> Harleysville (SE) PA
>> 100 HP Corvair
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AMD Patriot/cup holder |
This morning I got a ride in a new Ford van to the airport to come home from
a business trip. I notices that it had a cup holder that rotated flush with
the inside wall by the rear seat. It was about 1 in by 4 inches folded. It
seems to me that it could be mounted in the lower edge of the panel. Or even
just below the panel. I'll be riding a van again next week and try to get a
picture of one.
Dave Thompson
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! |
Cost to mail via USPS - 6 AN6-27A bolts to Canada.....over 20 dollars. UPS,
well they are ridiculous as ever.
Aircraft Spruce might be amazing, but the shipping costs are laughable!!!
>I have the most economical shipping lately by FedEx .Small envelope UPS
>$9.12 , Larger envelope US Post office $4.50 and large box by FedEx $7.95
>.All coming from equal distances . Still sore about UPS charge for ounces .
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C Smith
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:44 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing!
>
>
> placed order Wednesday online, 8 items from various parts of catalog,
>selected most economical shipping (FedEx gnd) and order is waiting for me
>upon returning home from work today.
> Way to go.
> CS
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop bolt torque |
Hi guys,
I have been looking all over for some info on the proper torque setting for the
bolts for my prop. IO 360 eng. w/ sencenech (?) prop, fixed pitch.
anny good info out there?
Thanks
--------
Do not archive
Dan Stanton
95% done paint to go
801, IO360
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| Subject: | Re: Prop bolt torque |
Hi Dan ,my Lycoming operators manual for the 0-320 engine calls for 300 inch
pounds torque . I would think that this would also apply to the 0-360 engine
.I am assuming that you are speaking of a metal prop .Run this out on your
calculator but I get 25 foot pounds .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "dj45" <dj45@modempool.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop bolt torque
>
> Hi guys,
> I have been looking all over for some info on the proper torque setting
> for the bolts for my prop. IO 360 eng. w/ sencenech (?) prop, fixed pitch.
> anny good info out there?
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Do not archive
>
> Dan Stanton
> 95% done paint to go
> 801, IO360
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125975#125975
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Comparative "brand" question... |
Please don't let this dissolve in to a brand flame fest - I am really trying
to get honest, grounded opinions, not flames.
First the back story: I became interested in building an LSA, low-and-slow
aircraft a couple of years ago when a friend of mine pointed me at the RANS
S7. I poked around, read what I could find on the web and eventually
stumbled on the RANS yahoo group. I have been a member of that group ever
since and I have to say that it is as good a community of folks as you find
here. They are just as passionate about flying, building, and especially
their 'brand' of choice.
I was very close to pulling the trigger on ordering a Super6 kit with 912ULS
engine when a friend forwarded along a link to a video of a 701 doing
takeoffs and landings from what looked like a small ramp in front of a
hanger. Since my ultimate goal is to put a plane on floats, this was
obviously and intriguing to me. Poking around the web again finally brought
me to this list - and I am just as impressed with the quality of the help,
the information and, again, the passion for the brand. (If anything, the
builders on this list tend to be more hard core in that there are lots of
folks here building from plans and that just doesn't happen with the RANS
planes.)
So my question to the group is this: what is the general opinion of the
quality, utility and "flyability" of the RANS planes? I know that this is a
little like comparing apples to oranges in that most of the RANS line is
fabric covered (the new S19 which just flew for the first time will be all
hard skinned), but I would like to hear what you all have to say about the
quality of the planes once they are complete and what you may have heard
about the the quality of the kits.
I am still thinking that a 701 on amphibious floats would add up to a really
nice way to spend a summer day, but there is a part of my brain still rather
romantically stuck on the "stick and fabric" S6 and S7.
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | PROPELLER INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS |
Hey Dan this should be better
http://www.sensenich.com/misc/mpinst0.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Prop bolt torque |
Sensenich has torques for all their props on their web page.
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| Subject: | Prop bolt torque |
Hey Dan ,disregard this info .I was not thinking ,the 0-360 will most likely
have larger bolts than the 0-320 and require more torque .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop bolt torque
>
> Hi Dan ,my Lycoming operators manual for the 0-320 engine calls for 300
> inch pounds torque . I would think that this would also apply to the 0-360
> engine .I am assuming that you are speaking of a metal prop .Run this out
> on your calculator but I get 25 foot pounds .
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dj45" <dj45@modempool.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 9:25 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Prop bolt torque
>
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>> I have been looking all over for some info on the proper torque setting
>> for the bolts for my prop. IO 360 eng. w/ sencenech (?) prop, fixed
>> pitch.
>> anny good info out there?
>> Thanks
>>
>> --------
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Dan Stanton
>> 95% done paint to go
>> 801, IO360
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125975#125975
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comparative "brand" question... |
Hi Dave,
I don't know much about Rans designs or the 701, but I might be able
to add some good questions to the discussion.
As far as I know the biggest difference between Rans designs and
Heintz designs is the construction method. I think the Rans designs
are based on steel tubing and fabric covering. The Heintz designs
are "All metal" meaning virtually all the parts are made from either
aluminum or steel with steel used only for a few critical parts. The
other big difference you mentioned - the availability of plans
building vs. factory kits which include a great deal of the
construction already done. I think I remember the Rans kits come
with welded fuselages.
I recently read an interesting article about aircraft design which
pointed out that seaplanes require a lot more elevator control for
those water landings and takeoffs. This could be a factor in
choosing a design if it is floats that you are after.
Now for some of those questions I mentioned:
1. Where will the plane be built and stored? Will it be hangared? I
understand it is a poor idea to store a fabric covered plane out in
the weather. Does local weather (for example humidity) play an
important role in the plane's structure choice?
2. What are the requirements of the builder? If it is low and slow,
then that might lean toward one particular design over another
because of the low and slow performance.
3. What skills does the builder already possess? Does this include
any of the skills one design uses that the other one
doesn't? Obvious differences to consider are fabric work vs. sheet metal work.
4. What designs are other local builders building? Perhaps a local
community of builders working on similar designs will make the
decision lean toward one design or type of construction.
5. What do local EAA members suggest? Again the local people and
environment factors are important.
I hope this helps a little.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 07:50 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote:
>Please don't let this dissolve in to a brand flame fest - I am
>really trying to get honest, grounded opinions, not flames.
>
>First the back story: I became interested in building an LSA,
>low-and-slow aircraft a couple of years ago when a friend of mine
>pointed me at the RANS S7. I poked around, read what I could find
>on the web and eventually stumbled on the RANS yahoo group. I have
>been a member of that group ever since and I have to say that it is
>as good a community of folks as you find here. They are just as
>passionate about flying, building, and especially their 'brand' of choice.
>
>I was very close to pulling the trigger on ordering a Super6 kit
>with 912ULS engine when a friend forwarded along a link to a video
>of a 701 doing takeoffs and landings from what looked like a small
>ramp in front of a hanger. Since my ultimate goal is to put a plane
>on floats, this was obviously and intriguing to me. Poking around
>the web again finally brought me to this list - and I am just as
>impressed with the quality of the help, the information and, again,
>the passion for the brand. (If anything, the builders on this list
>tend to be more hard core in that there are lots of folks here
>building from plans and that just doesn't happen with the RANS planes.)
>
>So my question to the group is this: what is the general opinion of
>the quality, utility and "flyability" of the RANS planes? I know
>that this is a little like comparing apples to oranges in that most
>of the RANS line is fabric covered (the new S19 which just flew for
>the first time will be all hard skinned), but I would like to hear
>what you all have to say about the quality of the planes once they
>are complete and what you may have heard about the the quality of the kits.
>
>I am still thinking that a 701 on amphibious floats would add up to
>a really nice way to spend a summer day, but there is a part of my
>brain still rather romantically stuck on the "stick and fabric" S6 and S7.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Comparative "brand" question... |
Dave,
I've only been close during the construction (assembly) stages of one S-6es kit
and a couple of S-14? the single seat arrowhead.
They were all excellent quality and flew very well, the S-6 is respected as a dependable
machine around here as our winters are not too cold, they represent
good value for basic flying.
I chose a CH701 for the particular characteristics it has, and the ability for
outside storage which it occasionally has to suffer, without having to changeout
the fabric every few years. Previously operated a couple of Bantam microlights,
they were Ok but open and part wire braced - just wanted a bit more comfort
and 4 stroke power. I'm sure I would be happy with a Coyote, for floats I would
definitely go the 701 route.
The S-6 takes 3 months to assemble, without hurry.
Ralph
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