---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/29/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:54 AM - Re: I need to sell these Instruments (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 2. 06:42 AM - Re: More torque wrench (Noel Loveys) 3. 06:52 AM - vert/horiz tail light (leinad) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Disappointed at Oshkosh (Richard Vetterli) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: I need to sell these Instruments (leinad) 6. 07:56 AM - 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground (Frank Derfler) 7. 08:01 AM - Re: vert/horiz tail light (Bryan Martin) 8. 08:06 AM - Re: Disappointed at Oshkosh (Dennis Shoup) 9. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: CNC Program 601xl (Peter Fox) 10. 08:34 AM - Re: Disappointed at Oshkosh (Gary Ray) 11. 08:38 AM - Re: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground (Bryan Martin) 12. 08:44 AM - Re: vert/horiz tail light (leinad) 13. 09:51 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc) 14. 10:09 AM - Re:601 Wing Spoilers:On the Ground (MaxNr@aol.com) 15. 10:43 AM - Re: Comparative (milreed) 16. 10:45 AM - 701 Takeoff w flaps (Chuck Deiterich) 17. 11:22 AM - Re: 701 Takeoff w flaps (n801bh@netzero.com) 18. 11:29 AM - Re: I need to sell these Instruments (Kathy & Philip Schloss) 19. 11:32 AM - Re: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground (David Downey) 20. 01:15 PM - 601XL Fuselage (wade jones) 21. 01:20 PM - Re: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! (Charles Wacker) 22. 01:40 PM - Re: 601XL Fuselage (Craig Payne) 23. 01:44 PM - Re: 601XL Fuselage (Craig Payne) 24. 01:51 PM - Re: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 25. 02:18 PM - List member passed away (Colin Noseworthy) 26. 02:18 PM - Re: 701 Takeoff w flaps (NYTerminat@aol.com) 27. 02:43 PM - Re: 601XL Fuselage (Edward Moody II) 28. 03:19 PM - Re: I need to sell these Instruments (Kathy & Philip Schloss) 29. 03:55 PM - Re: 701 Takeoff w flaps (jetboy) 30. 06:00 PM - Oshkosh and Shipping and Corvair (Tim Verthein) 31. 07:30 PM - Re: vert/horiz tail light (Ron Lendon) 32. 08:09 PM - Leveling - (Again) (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)) 33. 08:50 PM - 601 down in Mojave (Brandon Tucker) 34. 11:53 PM - Re: 601 down in Mojave (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:13 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00. Jeff MFG Parts for sale aircraft spruce # Part # R.C ALLEN ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RCA15AK-2 $1,947.00 UNITED 3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM 10-05200 $369.95 ? VERT. CARD COMPASS 10-00421 $269.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON 10-00013 $1,070.00 UMA INSTRUMENTS TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND. AN5785 $178.95 UMA INSTRUMENTS FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG 10-22250 $140.95 FALCON ALTIMETER 10-04400 $225.95 FALCON NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH 10-00001 $173.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR 10-22510 $387.95 SCOTT FREE AIR THERO 10-15500 $69.95 COMPOSITE DESIGN POWER PANEL 11-11675 $581.00 Total $5,415.60 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:34 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: More torque wrench Regarding the considerations about weight testing your torque wrench a few things come to mind. If you are going to torque a nut or bolt for say 240 in. lb. ( the way it was written when I was in school back when Moses was a boy) then you would use 20 lb@12in. The wrench can be considered accurate I suppose + - 10% (216 - 264 in.lb.) As the nut or bolt you are torquing is at the required calibration point I can't see a problem. If you want to have your torque wrench mapped on an electronic load cell calibration machine expect to spend some serious dollars. In Canada any measurement tools used by an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) have to be calibrated on a 24 mo. Cycle and you can believe me it co$ts big time. Not only torque wrenches have to be calibrated but everything from micrometers to scales and magnetic compasses have to be marked as calibrated. If you can duplicate similar accuracy without the cost of a commercial calibration I figure it's worth it. The idea of using a double female socket sounds viable especially if the calibration wrench is a beam type wrench. Using one of the new load cell electronic torque wrenches will probably give accurate results with the same double female socket. Noel ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:53 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: vert/horiz tail light From: "leinad" I was about to order a Whelen tail light assembly, but they come in a variety of configurations. One of the choices is vertical or horizontal. Does vertical mean it is to be mounted a vertical surface like the trailing edge of the tail? Or does vertical mean the light build would be pointing up? The one I need would be for the trailing edge. Thanks. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126124#126124 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:55 AM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Disappointed at Oshkosh I was there on Tuesday & Wednesday and I counted 12 601's. Only 4 or 5 were XL's, with the rest being HD's and HDS's. Some were in the Homebuilt Camping area, some were on the main flight line and two at the Zenith booth. Al's red & white HDS on the flight line had the best workmanship I've ever seen and had a retrofit forward tilting canopy. Dick's blue & white HD was also a beautiful ship with a very nice panel and a Corvair engine. This was my first trip to Oshkosh. What a BLAST!! Do Not Archive Rich Vetterli 601XL/Corvair Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: I need to sell these Instruments From: "leinad" Jeff, Having made one of the crazy offers I can't help but respond. I think you're right, you should sell them on ebay. I've been watching avionics on ebay for the past month. I recently saw 2 different used Garmin GPS 296s go for over 2 grand each.. This is a GPS you can buy brand new for 1200 dollars! But don't be so hard on us "crazy" offerers. To me part of what I'm buying when I spend thousands of dollars for something is the peice of mind that if something is broken I have someone I can go back to for satisfaction. Combine that with the fact that the instruments you are offering for sale aren't exactly what I was looking for. I'm at the point now where I need the instruments to lay out my control panel, but they are liable to not get tested or used for another 2 years (when I estimate I'll be finished). Because of this, buying second hand is a sizeable risk. Good luck selling them. I hope you get all or most of your money back. No offense intended. Dan Dempsey (601XL/Corvair plans) do not archive > I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00. > > Jeff > > > MFG Parts for sale aircraft spruce # Part # > R.C ALLEN ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RCA15AK-2 $1,947.00 > UNITED 3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM 10-05200 $369.95 > ? VERT. CARD COMPASS 10-00421 $269.95 > FALCON ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON 10-00013 $1,070.00 > UMA INSTRUMENTS TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND. AN5785 $178.95 > UMA INSTRUMENTS FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG 10-22250 $140.95 > FALCON ALTIMETER 10-04400 $225.95 > FALCON NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH 10-00001 $173.95 > FALCON ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR 10-22510 $387.95 > SCOTT FREE AIR THERO 10-15500 $69.95 > COMPOSITE DESIGN POWER PANEL 11-11675 $581.00 > Total $5,415.60 > -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126137#126137 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:17 AM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground Asking for advice: It is the "windy season" in the Florida Keys. My 601XL has to sit tied down outside. When the circular storms come, I wouldn't be surprised to see breezes that exceed Vr, Vx, Vy, and Vna coming right down the runway. (Aside: for those of you who say "Fly it away to safety" I'd say that you havn't been down here to the end of the narrow peninsula that is Florida. "Safety" is only assured more than 1000 miles away ... maybe. They really do NOT know where these storms are going! ) (Story to prove the point: August 2004 I had an Grumman sitting at a bayfront airport in Tampa. The official word was that Tampa was going to get hit hard by hurricane Charley. The Bay was going to rise 30 feet. So, I thought, "I should save my airplane and fly it to Arcadia." Arcadia is a town far inland and south of Tampa. Well, preparing the family was more important than saving the Grumman, so I didn't fly. The storm didn't come close to Tampa while the Arcadia airport was hit hard. As another example, look at the unnecessary evacuation of Houston in advance of Katrina. They really do not have much of a clue where these things will go.) For those of you who say: "Put it in a hangar". Well, none are available in the foreseeable future and we have probably suffered more losses among airplanes in hangars at Marathon than in the open. Hangar doors (The phrase: "Big as a barn door") fail and crash on the airplanes inside. Anyway, I have other responsibilities and can't be sitting with the airplane 1000 miles away. So, I want to keep the wings on my 601 from trying to fly. Questions for the group: 1. I see that Kennon Covers has wing covers with spoilers built in. SEE: http://www.kennoncovers.com/wingcovers.htm Has anyone tried these on any aircraft? A 601? How difficult to put on and take off? 2. I can't believe that it takes much to be a spolier, but the big problem is attaching something to the 601's wing because the whole back edge is full of relatively fragile control surfaces. Also, I don't want to ruin the paint. How about an old blanket tied onto the wing with 50' of 1/4" rope? Or even, how about 50' of 1/4" or 3/8" rope itself wrapped around each wing? Would that "spoil" the aerodynamics enough to keep the wings from flying? Yes, I know... just as soon as I have my airplane securely tied down and with "spoiled" wings, some idiot's 172C is going to break its 25 year old tie-down ropes and land upside down on my plane. But, I will have tried! -- FJD -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:30 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vert/horiz tail light On page 24 of their 2007 aviation catalog, they explain that the H or V indicates the position of the mounting screws relative to the light shield. So a vertical mounting would go on the trailing edge of a vertical surface and the horizontal mounting would go on the trailing edge of a horizontal surface. http://www.whelen.com/pb/pb.php?tier1=Aviation On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:52 AM, leinad wrote: > > I was about to order a Whelen tail light assembly, but they come in > a variety of configurations. One of the choices is vertical or > horizontal. Does vertical mean it is to be mounted a vertical > surface like the trailing edge of the tail? Or does vertical mean > the light build would be pointing up? The one I need would be for > the trailing edge. Thanks. > Dan > > -------- -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:14 AM PST US From: "Dennis Shoup" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Disappointed at Oshkosh Sorry to hear that. I saw more 601's and 701,s at Arlington than at Sun 'n Fun this year too. Dennis Shoup On 7/28/07, Tim Juhl wrote: > > > I just finished my last day (of 3) at Oshkosh and was disappointed not to > see any Zodiac XL's in attendance other than the two at the factory > display. Maybe I didn't look in the right places but there was a whole air > force of RV's but no XL's. If we are proud of our machines I think we should > show them off! Since mine isn't finished I was unable to do my part but > hopefully that time will come. > > Other than that, Oshkosh was..... well, Oshkosh. Great planes, lots of > people, some rain, some sun. In short, a great experience and one I look > forward to every year. > > Tim Juhl > > -------- > ______________ > CFII > Champ L16A flying > Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A > Working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126079#126079 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:14 AM PST US From: "Peter Fox" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CNC Program 601xl helloJason i have some of the parts for the 701 digitized for my milling center i dont see a problem in doing parts for the 601 what do you need peter fox gibsons b.c. canada foxatgibsons@gmail.com On 7/27/07, Jason Bogli wrote: > > > I was wondering whether anyone had put together cnc programming for 601xl > parts. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Duns" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: closing wing > > > > > > Regarding closing the wing, I can't offer any suggestion beyond the > 601HD > > manual which suggests riveting top skin first. But I can offer my > > experience as follows. I riveted the top of wing first, then riveted > the > > bottom skin as suggested in the manual but did not rivet the aileron > (rear > > edge of skin). Now I find a slight ripple in the top skin along the > rear > > edge when I try to attach the aileron to the wing. I am planning to > > remove most of the rivets in top skin and resecure with clecos to ensure > > alignment before final riveting. Perhaps I should have clecoed the > entire > > top skin, riveted all but the rear rivet line, and left the clecos in > the > > rear rivet line until the bottom skin was riveted, then rivet the rear > > top skin rivet line when ready to install the aileron. > > Hope this is not too confusing. > > > > Bob D. > > 601HD/Corvair > > Melfort, Sask. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:08 AM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:25 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Disappointed at Oshkosh Tim Two or three of us were there all week in front of the Homebuilders Welcome building and flew out on Saturday Morning the 28th. Plus a couple more at the Zenith Booth. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Juhl" Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Disappointed at Oshkosh > > I just finished my last day (of 3) at Oshkosh and was disappointed not to see any Zodiac XL's in attendance other than the two at the factory display. Maybe I didn't look in the right places but there was a whole air force of RV's but no XL's. If we are proud of our machines I think we should show them off! Since mine isn't finished I was unable to do my part but hopefully that time will come. > > Other than that, Oshkosh was..... well, Oshkosh. Great planes, lots of people, some rain, some sun. In short, a great experience and one I look forward to every year. > > Tim Juhl > > -------- > ______________ > CFII > Champ L16A flying > Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A > Working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126079#126079 > > > -- 1:40 PM > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:00 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground Use some foam swim "noodles" for spoilers (~$1.50 each at Walmart). Get some extra rope to tie down your neighbors' planes if they don't look too secure. On Jul 29, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Frank Derfler wrote: > Asking for advice: > It is the "windy season" in the Florida Keys. My 601XL has to sit > tied down outside. When the circular storms come, I wouldn't be > surprised to see breezes that exceed Vr, Vx, Vy, and Vna coming > right down the runway. > > > ... > > So, I want to keep the wings on my 601 from trying to fly. > Questions for the group: > > Yes, I know... just as soon as I have my airplane securely tied > down and with "spoiled" wings, some idiot's 172C is going to break > its 25 year old tie-down ropes and land upside down on my plane. > But, I will have tried! -- FJD > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: vert/horiz tail light From: "leinad" Brian, Thank you! Dan Dempsey (do not archive) > On page 24 of their 2007 aviation catalog, they explain that the H or V indicates the position of the mounting screws relative to the light shield. So a vertical mounting would go on the trailing edge of a vertical surface and the horizontal mounting would go on the trailing edge of a horizontal surface.http://www.whelen.com/pb/pb.php?tier1=Aviation > > On Jul 29, 2007, at 9:52 AM, leinad wrote: > Quote: > I was about to order a Whelen tail light assembly, but they come in a variety of configurations. One of the choices is vertical or horizontal. Does vertical mean it is to be mounted a vertical surface like the trailing edge of the tail? Or does vertical mean the light build would be pointing up? The one I need would be for the trailing edge. Thanks. > Dan > -------- > > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAMSubaru, Stratus redrive. > do not archive. -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126150#126150 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:45 AM PST US From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! Ron... I try and have everything shipped via the USPS. Anything that I get shipped that is to large will come UPS. I do all of my own brokerage clearing... I will not pay UPS blackmail charges for brokerages services! Their depot is not to far from Canada Customs... so clearing is no problem, but I will still lose a day! R.D.(Ron) Leclerc CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699 Porsche Power Belted Redrive Winnipeg, MB Canada infow@mts.net 7/29/2007 11:49:41 AM :-[ :-[ :-[ Thanks for explaining the flat rate shipping to me. Didnt know that :-[ companies are doing that. Used to be that someone could mail a :-[ small parcel for the actual cost without streamlining the process. :-[ I was under the assumption that it was the Postal Service that did :-[ this Flat rate billing, and didnt know it was "convenience', time :-[ and dollars thing for Aircraft Spruce. :-[ :-[ Dont get me wrong. I have never had a problem with Aircraft Spruce, :-[ service is excellent and part selection is great. :-[ Shipping....well....unless you are independantly wealthy you have :-[ to wince when you pay for the shipping. UPS brokerage fees are out :-[ of this world. I always end up paying for the shipping, since I :-[ need the product, but certainly dont have to be pleased about :-[ it.....I dont have a choice..everyone knows that. :-[ :-[ I also understand what you are saying. A person such as myself :-[ that is unable to consistently afford to make larger orders, thus :-[ ultimately less expensive per capita shipping costs, would be more :-[ prudent if I was to wait until I could place a larger order. Us :-[ small budget builders used to be the backbone of aircraft :-[ building....but things are changing. :-[ :-[ Aircraft Spruce has however recently (last year I think) opened up :-[ in Toronto, Ontario. Unfortunately they dont have the stock :-[ available to supply all parts. (The bolts I needed for instance :-[ still have to come from either the eastern or western Aircraft :-[ Spruce outlets in the USA). Cross border purchases are not and :-[ never have been an issue with Aircraft Spruce. :-[ :-[ Shipping is a necessary evil that adds probably at least 10 percent :-[ to the cost of most projects that Canadians build. This is a fact :-[ of life I quess. :-[ :-[ :-[ Ron :-[ :-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[ Vendors don't set the shipping costs, guys. This post is about :-[:-[ the fast service I got from Aircraft Spruce. FedEx ground got :-[:-[ it to me in 2 days. Don't know how much 6 AN6-27A bolts weigh, :-[:-[ but anything across the border costs more. USPS flat rate boxes :-[:-[ can be a deal or a rip off depending on weight of shipped :-[:-[ items. I don't know if the commercial carriers offer similar :-[:-[ options to flat rate. I just looked down the list offered at he :-[:-[ end of the order. It was $11.38 to ship $125 of merchandise. :-[:-[ 10% roughly. Not a big deal. :-[:-[ The cross border costs get complicated, don't know what options :-[:-[ were offered :-[:-[ to you. Once you go from an envelope to a box, the shippers :-[:-[ make a big leap in cost. Now if the vendor is drastically :-[:-[ inflating the actual shipping with :-[:-[ a userous handling add-on, then that would be a legitimate beef :-[:-[ against Aircraft Spruce, but I've seen no evidence that they :-[:-[ are. When not using a flat rate box, the cost of packaging has :-[:-[ to be recovered (even with a flat rate box, there's still :-[:-[ handling in picking and packing), that's just business, all :-[:-[ vendors recover these costs. The smaller the order :-[:-[ the less efficient any purchase will be. In running a large :-[:-[ business like Aircraft Spruce and the huge variety of product, :-[:-[ there has to be some streamlining of picking packing and :-[:-[ shipping, otherwise the actual costs of handling will actually :-[:-[ go up, due to the greater time involved in more specialized :-[:-[ packing materials and processing the order. Yes, in the end the :-[:-[ smallest orders are the least efficient to ship, this is true :-[:-[ of all vendors, not just Aircraft Spruce. :-[:-[ If I go to the hardware store, burn 1/2 gallon of gas to pick :-[:-[ up a couple of :-[:-[ things for a project, say they cost $2.50, the 1/2 gallon of :-[:-[ gas is a buck 75. But I need the stuff for the project today. :-[:-[ So I do it and get it done. Or I can wait till my list has say :-[:-[ 15-20 things on it and they cost $55 it's :-[:-[ still the same 1/2 gallon of gas. And my cost for getting the :-[:-[ stuff has decreased proportionally. But, I have to wait till I :-[:-[ figure out what other things I need, so there are a couple of :-[:-[ projects partially completed as I find things I don't have to :-[:-[ fill up the list. :-[:-[ For the fellow in Canada, I'd say try to find a vendor in your :-[:-[ province, or you have stumbled on a great business opportunity, :-[:-[ start your own company providing the stuff home builders need :-[:-[ in the great white north. :-[:-[ :-[:-[ I just don't see the problem as Aircraft Spruce, if someone can :-[:-[ show they are charging over 35% of actual shipping cost to pick :-[:-[ and pack, that would be cause for alarm. CS :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[ Cost to mail via USPS - 6 AN6-27A bolts to Canada.....over 20 :-[:-[ dollars. UPS, well they are ridiculous as ever. :-[:-[ Aircraft Spruce might be amazing, but the shipping costs are :-[:-[ laughable!!! :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[:-[:-[ I have the most economical shipping lately by FedEx .Small :-[:-[:-[ envelope UPS $9.12 , Larger envelope US Post office $4.50 :-[:-[:-[ and large box by FedEx :-[:-[:-[ :-[:-[ $7.95 :-[:-[:-[ .All coming from equal distances . Still sore about UPS :-[:-[:-[ charge for ounces :-[:-[:-[ :-[:-[ . :-[:-[:-[ Wade Jones South Texas :-[:-[:-[ 601XL plans building :-[:-[:-[ Cont. 0200 :-[:-[:-[ ----- Original Message ----- :-[:-[:-[ From: C Smith :-[:-[:-[ To: zenith-list@matronics.com :-[:-[:-[ Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:44 PM :-[:-[:-[ Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! :-[:-[:-[ :-[:-[:-[ :-[:-[:-[ placed order Wednesday online, 8 items from various parts :-[:-[:-[ of catalog, selected most economical shipping (FedEx gnd) :-[:-[:-[ and order is waiting for me upon returning home from work :-[:-[:-[ today. Way to go. CS :-[:-[ :-[:-[ :-[ _________________________________________________________________ :-[ Show Your Messenger Buddies How You Really Feel :-[ http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 :-[ :-[ :-[ Features Navigator to browse :-[ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List :-[ - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :-[ --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:30 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:601 Wing Spoilers:On the Ground I live in the Florida panhandle and this has worked for me. I used to have a Beech 23 tied down at Milton (2R4) and could not fly it away due to a TFR. I laid about five sandbags down each wing spar. The weight is not enough to cause damage, but was enough to prevent the bags blowing away. Even though the entire span was not covered, enough was. I had considered old tires tied on, but rejected that because I couldn't find any on short notice. I then moved into a hangar and the next year, IVAN blew in almost all of the hangar doors that faced south. Mine failed like the rest. Inadequate support at the bottom caused the door bottom to blow inward and clip off the mains. The door then fell on top of the bird and totaled it. Do not archive Bob XL/Lyc ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:53 AM PST US From: "milreed" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Comparative My build project has proven to me this is also true for the 701. I have built and handled all the component parts except the engine (2200) as to date. Now I am working on final assembly as I wait for the engine. I had my son and daughter move the wings out of the work room to my assembly area, insisting on no talking, only attention while I guided the moving process. I built 2 brackets that bolt to the end of the wing (either) with nuts within. These brackets made of 1" pipe and 1 1/4 x 1 1/4" angle made it easy to handle the wing for finishing, as I can roll the wing around the long axis as it is supported on a large dolly with wheels, made of the Zenith wing shipping box, scrap OSB , scrap 2X4s, and screws saved from the rudder kit box.(saving my pennies for a glass panel). Mil ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:52 AM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Takeoff w flaps Has anyone tried partial flaps on the 701 to shorten takeoff roll? Results? Chuck D. N701TX ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:30 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Takeoff w flaps Any amount of flaps will shorten the take off roll in a 701-801. I hardl y ever use them on my 801. At the full flap setting the flaperons reduce ALOT of roll control and unless the wind is calm I will not use them, d on't ask how I know... On a side note I just returned from OSH and met a lot of nice fellow builders. Zenith builders dinner was good and the ro om was full.... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Chuck Deiterich" wrote: Has anyone tried partial flaps on the 701 to shorten takeoff roll? Resu lts? Chuck D. N701TX ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

Any amount of flaps will shorten the take off roll in a 701-801 . I hardly ever use them on my 801. At the full flap setting the flapero ns reduce ALOT of roll control and unless the wind is calm I will not us e them, don't ask how I know... On a side note I just returned from OSH and met alot of  nice fellow builders. Zenith builders dinner was good and the room was full....

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Has an yone tried partial flaps on the 701 t o shorten takeoff roll?  Results?

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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:17 AM PST US From: "Kathy & Philip Schloss" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments Ok How about $250 for the flap indicator and sender. This is within $6 of 20%. thanks phil -----Original Message----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00. Jeff MFG Parts for sale aircraft spruce # Part # R.C ALLEN ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RCA15AK-2 $1,947.00 UNITED 3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM 10-05200 $369.95 ? VERT. CARD COMPASS 10-00421 $269.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON 10-00013 $1,070.00 UMA INSTRUMENTS TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND. AN5785 $178.95 UMA INSTRUMENTS FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG 10-22250 $140.95 FALCON ALTIMETER 10-04400 $225.95 FALCON NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH 10-00001 $173.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR 10-22510 $387.95 SCOTT FREE AIR THERO 10-15500 $69.95 COMPOSITE DESIGN POWER PANEL 11-11675 $581.00 Total $5,415.60
Ok
 
How about $250 for the flap indicator and sender.  This is within $6 of 20%.
 
thanks
phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
sell these Instruments

I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00.
 
Jeff
 
 
 MFG                                      Parts for sale aircraft spruce #         Part #
R.C ALLEN                   ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR     RCA15AK-2      $1,947.00   
UNITED                        3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM                            10-05200           $369.95   
?                                  VERT. CARD COMPASS                       10-00421           $269.95   
FALCON                       ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON               10-00013           $1,070.00   
UMA INSTRUMENTS     TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND.      AN5785            $178.95   
UMA INSTRUMENTS     FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG                   10-22250           $140.95   
FALCON                       ALTIMETER                                           10-04400           $225.95   
FALCON                       NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH  10-00001           $173.95   
FALCON                       ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR        10-22510          $387.95   
SCOTT                          FREE AIR THERO                                  10-15500          $69.95   
COMPOSITE DESIGN    POWER PANEL                                     11-11675          $581.00   
                                                                                                     Total             $5,415.60 
 



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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:28 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground ya know Frank, the only lift you will see is not that associated with laminar flow over the airfoil. The flat plate lift like you get with a sheet of plywood on sawhorses is also a very big player. do not archive Frank Derfler wrote: Asking for advice: It is the "windy season" in the Florida Keys. My 601XL has to sit tied down outside. When the circular storms come, I wouldn't be surprised to see breezes that exceed Vr, Vx, Vy, and Vna coming right down the runway. (Aside: for those of you who say "Fly it away to safety" I'd say that you havn't been down here to the end of the narrow peninsula that is Florida. "Safety" is only assured more than 1000 miles away ... maybe. They really do NOT know where these storms are going! ) (Story to prove the point: August 2004 I had an Grumman sitting at a bayfront airport in Tampa. The official word was that Tampa was going to get hit hard by hurricane Charley. The Bay was going to rise 30 feet. So, I thought, "I should save my airplane and fly it to Arcadia." Arcadia is a town far inland and south of Tampa. Well, preparing the family was more important than saving the Grumman, so I didn't fly. The storm didn't come close to Tampa while the Arcadia airport was hit hard. As another example, look at the unnecessary evacuation of Houston in advance of Katrina. They really do not have much of a clue where these things will go.) For those of you who say: "Put it in a hangar". Well, none are available in the foreseeable future and we have probably suffered more losses among airplanes in hangars at Marathon than in the open. Hangar doors (The phrase: "Big as a barn door") fail and crash on the airplanes inside. Anyway, I have other responsibilities and can't be sitting with the airplane 1000 miles away. So, I want to keep the wings on my 601 from trying to fly. Questions for the group: 1. I see that Kennon Covers has wing covers with spoilers built in. SEE: http://www.kennoncovers.com/wingcovers.htm Has anyone tried these on any aircraft? A 601? How difficult to put on and take off? 2. I can't believe that it takes much to be a spolier, but the big problem is attaching something to the 601's wing because the whole back edge is full of relatively fragile control surfaces. Also, I don't want to ruin the paint. How about an old blanket tied onto the wing with 50' of 1/4" rope? Or even, how about 50' of 1/4" or 3/8" rope itself wrapped around each wing? Would that "spoil" the aerodynamics enough to keep the wings from flying? Yes, I know... just as soon as I have my airplane securely tied down and with "spoiled" wings, some idiot's 172C is going to break its 25 year old tie-down ropes and land upside down on my plane. But, I will have tried! -- FJD -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:44 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Hello group ,I am seeing some light at the end of the tunnel .Today I fitted and drilled the top middle skin to the fuselage . Question : when installing the L angles inside the top middle skin ,does the L angle slide between the skin and bulkhead at the rear or does it only butt up to it . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:31 PM PST US From: "Charles Wacker" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! That's the service I get. They ship to me UPS Ground, I always get the shipment the next day. Chuck Wacker 601XL Qick Build >From: "C Smith" >To: >Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft Spruce is amazing! >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:44:20 -0400 > >placed order Wednesday online, 8 items from various parts of catalog, >selected most economical shipping (FedEx gnd) and order is waiting for me >upon returning home from work today. >Way to go. >CS _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:36 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage > Question : when installing the L angles inside the top middle skin ,does the L angle slide between the skin and bulkhead at the rear or does it only butt up to it . It is a little hard to tell but I believe the L's overlap the bulkhead at the rear of the baggage compartment AND the tubular hoop. Page 7 of the rev 2.2 photo guide 6-B-21C says "The front of the L angles are behind the tube frame 6B21-2". Another clue is that they have you lay out the rivet lines between rivets on the bulkhead and hoop (page 6 of the photo guide). And if you look closely at the side view on 6-B-21 in the plans you will see dashed lines for the L's extending into the bulkhead. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:16 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage BTW: I think that if you look closely at the photo at the top of page 9 of the 6-B-21C rev 2.2 photo guide you can see that the L goes inside the lip of the bulkhead, not between the skin and the lip. I think you will only see this in the high resolution picture in the CD version of the guide, not the lower resolution ones that you can download from the Zenith web site. If you don't have the CD version I can send you a few outtakes. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:05 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 Wing Spoilers: On the Ground I have heard another way of doing this is to strap a 2x4x12 to the top of the wings just behind the rivet line and that keeps the wing from flying. Put wood blocks into the rear spar to keep it from crushing and some type of padding to keep the straps from being cut by the edges buy the good tow straps and put them directly over the ribs and keep your fingers crossed. Jeff Asking for advice: It is the "windy season" in the Florida Keys. My 601XL has to sit tied down outside. When the circular storms come, I wouldn't be surprised to see breezes that exceed Vr, Vx, Vy, and Vna coming right down the runway. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:50 PM PST US From: "Colin Noseworthy" Subject: Zenith-List: List member passed away Hello Everyone, I regret to inform everyone that Rick Tedford passed away a couple weeks ago. He died as a result of complications associated with a minor surgery. I am helping the widow with the sale of his aircraft. If you can pass this info to anyone that maybe interested it would be appreciated. It is currently listed on www.barnstormers.com for $49,900. Colin Noseworthy ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:50 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Takeoff w flaps Chuck, I use 1/2 flaps for takeoff from my grass strip, no flaps elsewhere. It does shorten the takeoff roll, not necessary from pavement. Bob Spudis 701ZX/912S/120hrs In a message dated 7/29/2007 1:46:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cffd@pgrb.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Has anyone tried partial flaps on the 701 to shorten takeoff roll? Results? Chuck D. N701TX ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:23 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Wade, I cut and trimmed mine so that the flange touching the skin extends between the skin and the bulkhead and the same at the tube. I like for any "overlap" on a stiffener to disappear into the joint rather than looking like it was slapped on as an afterthought. Probably doesn't make a big difference either way. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: wade jones To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuselage Hello group ,I am seeing some light at the end of the tunnel .Today I fitted and drilled the top middle skin to the fuselage . Question : when installing the L angles inside the top middle skin ,does the L angle slide between the skin and bulkhead at the rear or does it only butt up to it . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:46 PM PST US From: "Kathy & Philip Schloss" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments Please tell me where to send the check. If you need to talk to me my cell is 417 293 2932 thanks Phil Schloss 4193 County Road 4660 Pomona, MO 65789 -----Original Message----- From: "Kathy & Philip Schloss" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments Ok How about $250 for the flap indicator and sender. This is within $6 of 20%. thanks phil -----Original Message----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00. Jeff MFG Parts for sale aircraft spruce # Part # R.C ALLEN ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RCA15AK-2 $1,947.00 UNITED 3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM 10-05200 $369.95 ? VERT. CARD COMPASS 10-00421 $269.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON 10-00013 $1,070.00 UMA INSTRUMENTS TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND. AN5785 $178.95 UMA INSTRUMENTS FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG 10-22250 $140.95 FALCON ALTIMETER 10-04400 $225.95 FALCON NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH 10-00001 $173.95 FALCON ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR 10-22510 $387.95 SCOTT FREE AIR THERO 10-15500 $69.95 COMPOSITE DESIGN POWER PANEL 11-11675 $581.00 Total $5,415.60
Please tell me where to send the check.  If you need to talk to me my cell is 417 293 2932
 
thanks
 
Phil Schloss
4193 County Road 4660
Pomona, MO  65789
-----Original Message-----
From: "Kathy & Philip Schloss" <bluebird@Townsqr.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:33:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I need to sell these Instruments

Ok
 
How about $250 for the flap indicator and sender.  This is within $6 of 20%.
 
thanks
phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
sell these Instruments

I must have been crazy to say make offer for these brand new instruments because I have had some crazy offers. I should have said let me bend over. I am trying to sell these to my fellow builders and save you some money. But I won't take a bath on them. I was thinking of 20% off aircraft spruces price. I know I can get that for them on ebay or barnstormers. I would like to sell them to a corvair builder and if you buy the package it would save you about 1100.00.
 
Jeff
 
 
 MFG                                      Parts for sale aircraft spruce #         Part #
R.C ALLEN                   ELECTRIC DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR     RCA15AK-2      $1,947.00   
UNITED                        3-1/8 VSI 0-2000 FPM                            10-05200           $369.95   
?                                  VERT. CARD COMPASS                       10-00421           $269.95   
FALCON                       ELECTRICAL GYRO HORIZON               10-00013           $1,070.00   
UMA INSTRUMENTS     TRANSMITTER FOR UMA FLAP IND.      AN5785            $178.95   
UMA INSTRUMENTS     FLAP INDICATOR 0-40 DEG                   10-22250           $140.95   
FALCON                       ALTIMETER                                           10-04400           $225.95   
FALCON                       NON TSO'D TRUE AIRSPEED 240 MPH  10-00001           $173.95   
FALCON                       ELECTRICAL TURN COORDINATOR        10-22510          $387.95   
SCOTT                          FREE AIR THERO                                  10-15500          $69.95   
COMPOSITE DESIGN    POWER PANEL                                     11-11675          $581.00   
                                                                                                     Total             $5,415.60 
 



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________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Takeoff w flaps From: "jetboy" Nearly always use 16 deg (full flap on rev-4 and later designs) for T/O and climbout as it gives better cooling and about the same climb rate @ 50 KTs. Also at the point of liftoff the pitch up response is less pronounced. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126246#126246 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:31 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh and Shipping and Corvair We spent 2 days at Oshkosh this year, first time since 1971 (used to go with my Dad when I was a kid) and it's still not nearly enough. I also didn't notice any 601's or 701's on the line (we were there Monday and Tuesday) but we spent way more time than ever in buildings, at booths and vendors than looking at planes. Learned a lot, had a great time, and didn't even mind the Beach Boys concert..which was way better than I expected. Prior to Oshkosh, we spent two days in Brodhead, WI at the Pietenpol fly-in, where my wife managed to score two Piet rides (must be those feminine wiles) and we took in William Wynn's Corvair seminar. As down the road we're very slowly starting to get things together for a Piet project (which the wife says comes AFTER the 701) which I plan to power with a Corvair, his talk was very interesting, and I'm now even more impressed with the man and the engine. Depending on how time for engine decision synchronizes with more development in his 701 Corvair project, we *just* might go Corvair in the 701 (that would make us a household with 2 Covair powered planes, AND two Corvair cars! Talk about parts interchangeability!) Incidentally, I did record Williams talk at Brodhead and if anyone would like to listen, I have an mp3 uploaded I can send you a ink for....be advised it's just over 50 megs, so you'd probably need high speed connection to grab it. As for shipping costs...I've been doing mail-order as a sideline since 1978. The PO has really got me and a lot of other small mail order business people and ebay folks torqued off. They have eliminated surface mail rates out of the US. EVERYTHING that goes out of the country goes at airmail rates, which of course are recently increased as well. So, out of country buyers HAVE to pay about three times more for shipping than they used to for the same thing. Sure, it gets there faster, but if you're sending, say, a 20 pound amplifier to Belgium it's gonna cost you $85 to get it there rather than about $27. Unless of course it fits in one of two flat rate boxes. Same deal to Canada, it all goes "air" now. So a box going to New Jersey, thousands of miles away from me, can go for $8.95, same box to Canada goes for $21.20. I have lots of upset customers! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: vert/horiz tail light From: "Ron Lendon" I purchased the 11-04763 AeroFlash nav/st/pos dbl flash units and am in the process of making the mounting surface on the wing tip. With these two fixtures all the lighting left/right/above/below/rear will be covered. Just something to be considered. Cost from ACS was $473. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126276#126276 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:28 PM PST US From: 4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons) Subject: Zenith-List: Leveling - (Again) Hey list and maybe newbies, About a week an a half ago, I asked about using the water level method for setting the upper front longerons and all the other elements during this time of assembly. If you are close to this area of assembly, you realize it sets almost all attaching elements except for the tail. Anyhow, thanks to a list user, he suggested using the single tube method and it works great. http://www.factsfacts.com/MyHomeRepair/WaterLevel.htm I was able to move from front to rear as well as side to side and I believe with great results. It's I believe a lot more accurate than the normal bubble level over distance. It is also easier than using the floor method of leveling the longerins and engine mounts. It's also a lot easier than using multiple levels. Anyhow, a link for a good descriptiion of the method is attached and if you use a pipette for your gauging lines, you will simplify matters even more. Even if you don't fully understand it if you start just working with it and messing around you will see how usefull it is. I think this is good enough to share. Again, thanks to the list member who suggestd the single tube method to me. Rich Simmons
Hey list and maybe newbies,
 
About a week an a half ago, I asked about using the water level method for setting the upper front longerons and all the other elements during this time of assembly. If you are close to this area of assembly, you realize it sets almost all attaching elements except for the tail.
 
Anyhow, thanks to a list user, he suggested using the single tube method and it works great.
 
I was able to move from front to rear as well as side to side and I believe with great results. It's I believe a lot more accurate than the normal bubble level over distance. It is also easier than using the floor method of leveling the longerins and engine mounts. It's also a lot easier than using multiple levels.
 
Anyhow, a link for a good descriptiion of the method is attached and if you use a pipette for your gauging lines, you will simplify matters even more. Even if you don't fully understand it if you start just working with it and messing around you will see how usefull it is.
 
I think this is good enough to share.
 
Again, thanks to the list member who suggestd the single tube method to me.
 
Rich Simmons
________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:41 PM PST US From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: 601 down in Mojave Gents, I heard word yesterday of a 601 that went down on sombody's house in Mojave Ca. I am told it was the first flight. Anyone have any details??? I am told the pilot is fine. R/ Brandon Tucker 601 HDS / TD / Corvair 105 hours Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:11 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 down in Mojave Yes, Rick Pitcher reported this back on July 14th. Search for "First flight... not so good", message number 48014. Unfortunately the links to the pictures he attached have expired. Bakersfield paper story here: www.bakersfield.com/102/story/188975.html NTSB preliminary report here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX07LA218&rpt=p -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.