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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Paint (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (kensmith@springnet1.com)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (R.P.)
6. 06:32 AM - Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming (Debo Cox)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: Magellan GSP ()
8. 07:08 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Al Hays)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (David Mikesell)
10. 08:13 AM - Wanted 701 (Joe)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Paint (Geoff Heap)
12. 08:31 AM - Magellan 315- fresh database (Ron DeWees)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming (Randy L. Thwing)
14. 08:51 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (David Mikesell)
15. 09:08 AM - Re: Paint (Elden Jacobson)
16. 09:28 AM - in-flight adjustable props (LarryMcFarland)
17. 09:56 AM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (ljkyle)
18. 09:58 AM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (ljkyle)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Kevin L. Rupert)
20. 10:18 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (R.P.)
21. 10:38 AM - Interior Upholstery (Wes or Lurlene Bressler)
22. 10:45 AM - Re: Ground School DVD's (R.P.)
23. 12:02 PM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Al Hays)
24. 12:13 PM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Paul Riedlinger)
25. 12:15 PM - Re: Interior Upholstery (Gig Giacona)
26. 12:24 PM - Re: Ground School DVD's (Paul Riedlinger)
27. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Interior Upholstery ()
28. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Interior Upholstery (Carlos Sa)
29. 01:42 PM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (n801bh@netzero.com)
30. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Interior Upholstery (Skip Perry)
31. 02:23 PM - Re: Ground School DVD's (R.P.)
32. 04:36 PM - Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
33. 05:19 PM - Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (Tim Juhl)
34. 05:46 PM - CH701 FWF (John Swanson)
35. 06:12 PM - Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
36. 06:14 PM - Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (Juan Vega)
37. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Interior Upholstery (Juan Vega)
38. 08:26 PM - Re: CH701 FWF (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Hi Larry,
I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you
excited. I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.
I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was
working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's. That
allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a
college class. Not only did I get college credit for the "Free"
class which ran a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air
Force pilot who really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it
too. Perhaps the King DVD set is the best alternative available to
you for the same training.
My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test
before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and
immediately find another instructor. This is (in my opinion) an
outrageous requirement. You don't need all the information from the
ground school to be safe for solo flight. Indeed, I think some of
the lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after
you are in the situation where you might encounter actual flights
involving the information studied. You really don't need to know all
the ins and outs of airport light systems, chart reading, radio
navigation, and weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the
traffic pattern.
I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground school
before any flight. Also, I don't think it would be a problem to
complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo
flight and local practice flying.
Just my opinion.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:
>Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test
>DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the
>test before I can solo. I hate to buy something that I will
>probably only use once. If you can help, let me know. I need to
>get studying. This is what my instructor wants me to study.
>
>Larry Husky
>601XL \ Corvair
>Just finished moving
>Time to build again!
>
>
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Hi Dan,
I am using the lower cost acrylic enamel from PPG for my plane. I
chose this mostly because it is less toxic than the urethane system,
but it is also considerably less expensive. It has slightly less
shine than the urethane, and doesn't have as many color choices
available. My cost average for the epoxy primer and acrylic enamel
are around $100 per gallon when you add in all the necessary reducers
and hardeners. I also bought a very nice German HVLP gravity feed
gun there for around $100. The gun works incredibly well, and has so
many adjustments I am still learning how best to use it.
I decided to use a self etching primer under all the above paint to
prepare the aluminum surface. The older (more accepted) way is to
use "Alumiprep" and "Alodine" under the paint. Even though I have
already used a primer before going to the PPG products, I learned
through testing that I still need a standard primer under the top
coat. Without the standard primer, the top coat tended to lift the
self etching primer.
The paint store where I bought it supplies all the professional
automotive and aircraft paint shops in the Portland, OR area. One of
the points the guy at the store made for me was the shops use the
acrylic enamel to paint airplanes regularly. This is what you get if
you pay for the "Standard" paint job on a certified plane.
My own opinion is that the more expensive urethane based paint might
be a good choice if you want that extra shine or exotic colors on
your plane. I also think the outrageously expensive paints
supposedly designed for airplanes are really designed for folks who
have "More dollars than sense".
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
>I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.
>I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is
>that I have been told that the automotave paints are not designed to
>hold up in tha aircraft enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.
>Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what
>were the results.
>
>On another matter, where can i get a cover thr the tach. output on
>my IO360? Am using all elect. panel and will not be using it.
>
>Thanks a bunch in advance.
>
>--------
>Do not archive
>
>Dan Stanton
>95% done paint to go
>801, IO360
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Hello Paul:
I'm not absolutely sure I agree with you on this one; as I see it this
'requirement' is not so much about knowledge but more about ability and
motivation. This requirement is not so different than having a 3rd class medical
in
your pocket before getting seriously deep in flight instruction - it makes no
sense to go further if the struggle is for naught.
As for motivation, this is a discretion call. Everybody has known the guy
with great 'stick & rudder' skills but cannot test well, or the young student
that 'just wants to fly' and has little interest in the knowledge test.
Surprisingly, the young students that are conditioned to learn would probably
have an easier time with the knowledge test than us old-timers!
Indeed, if I was a CFI and had a builder come to me looking for primary
instruction, I don't think there would be any issue indeed on the motivation
scale!!!!
Tracy Smith
N458XL (reserved) 601XL
In a message dated 8/6/2007 6:06:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, psm@ATT.NET
writes:
My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test before solo
would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and immediately find another
instructor. This is (in my opinion) an outrageous requirement. You don't
need all the information from the ground school to be safe for solo flight.
Indeed, I think some of the lessons would be more interesting and easy to
understand after you are in the situation where you might encounter actual flights
involving the information studied. You really don't need to know all the
ins and outs of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation, and
weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
It is suprising to me how many people put the flying aspect as priority
over knowledge of flying. As a forty year CFIA/II I have watched as
students who soloed prior to passing their 24 calendar month written,
have never finished up with their Private Certificate.
Why?
Paul, you were fortunate enough to be in a full time classroom
orientation which allowed you to work on both the written and practical
at the same time. It comes easy that way. If you were only able to fly
at the most a one or two hour practice sessions a week like most
students do, you would find out that a great deal of time is spent at
each session to renew your knowledge of information you learned from the
last sessions prior to the present one.
Students like to fly as opposed to studying and reading information. No
one likes to study if they don't have to. It is a known fact that a
student with prior knowledge of aviation becomes a better pilot and
easier to train in the long run.
Therefore it has become a practice and a recommendation from the FAA to
consider requiring the student to pass their knowledge test prior to
solo. Students seem to combine the knowledge they have learned much
better when they have that information instilled in their minds when
they are turned loose in a solo situation. There is also a motive to
finish your flight training when you know that you have less than 24
calendar months to finish up or have to take your knowledge test over again.
Ken Smith
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Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you
> excited. I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.
>
> I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was
> working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's. That
> allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a college
> class. Not only did I get college credit for the "Free" class which
> ran a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air Force pilot who
> really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it too. Perhaps the King
> DVD set is the best alternative available to you for the same training.
>
> My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test
> before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and
> immediately find another instructor. This is (in my opinion) an
> outrageous requirement. You don't need all the information from the
> ground school to be safe for solo flight. Indeed, I think some of the
> lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after you are
> in the situation where you might encounter actual flights involving
> the information studied. You really don't need to know all the ins
> and outs of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation,
> and weather systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.
>
> I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground school
> before any flight. Also, I don't think it would be a problem to
> complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo
> flight and local practice flying.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
>
> At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test
>> DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the
>> test before I can solo. I hate to buy something that I will probably
>> only use once. If you can help, let me know. I need to get
>> studying. This is what my instructor wants me to study.
>>
>> Larry Husky
>> 601XL \ Corvair
>> Just finished moving
>> Time to build again!
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
I bought the King Private Pilot course on E-bay a few years back.
I see one up for auction now. Try going to http://www.ebay.com/ and put
130139521701 in the search window.
Rick Pitcher
> Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test DVD's
> that
> they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the test before I can
> solo. I hate to buy something that I will probably only use once. If
> you can
> help, let me know. I need to get studying. This is what my instructor
> wants
> me to study.
>
> Larry Husky
> 601XL \ Corvair
> Just finished moving
> Time to build again!
>
>
> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
>
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming |
Hi all,
I'm also a member of the Sonex builders list and recently there's been some activity
about a really cool vacuum-forming technique for bending leading edge
skins. This technique may be familiar to some, but just having just completed
my wing nose skins, I found myself asking the question - "Is there not a better
way to do this?" This looks like a good way to bend just about any skin you
need to bend, but especially good for doing the 12-foot wing nose skins.
I have not used this technique myself. I'm only including a link because I think
it's a great "thinking outside the box" idea that may help someone else in
the Zenith community. Of course you'll need to adjust the bend radius to suit
your needs and do your own experimenting, but here's the link to the 3-part series
on YouTube. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqzToYQ765w
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair Scratchbuilder
Nags Head, NC
Wings in progress
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Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
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| Subject: | Re: Magellan GSP |
My experience with my Lowrance Airmap 2000 and my flying buddy's Garmin 396 is
that his cost was twice mine, he got fewer fringe benefits thrown in (Ram mount
stuff, map creation software, terrain avoidance display etc.) and has a significantly
smaller screen. If you want to update to weather radar display and/or
you are a serious full time pilot, go Garmin. If you want a very nice affordable,
viewable GPS to use in the air and on the ground, check into a Lowrance.
Getting by with a non-aviation GPS seems like false economy to me with the exception
of backyard jaunts in an ultralight. No offense intended here, just my opinion
based on my somewhat limited experience.
Dred
> On Aug 5, 2007, at 6:32 PM, R.D.(Ron) Leclerc wrote:
>
> >
> > Anybody out there with a Magellan 315 hand held GPS?
> >
> > Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Larry,
I considered the King Schools material when preparing for a flight
review after not having flown for over 15 years but found that they
require a PC Windows system and not Mac friendly. But they do seem to
be highly regarded. That said, I am surprised that a flight instructor
would require you to buy or borrow a DVD program and to pass the PPL
written exam before solo. If you are not using a Mac and decide to go
with the King Schools material, don't forget that they are licensed for
single use - not to be sold to a third party. If you manage to get a
King DVD loaned or given to you, keep in mind that while laws of
physics don't change, rules, regulations, and procedures can. Better
to get it direct from King and have the most up to date version along
with any supplements. I'd still look for an instructor who could
effectively give ground instruction and steer you to the best written
study guides and reference books. I'm almost due for another two year
flight review and would sit through a private pilot ground school as a
refresher if there was one locally available, but there seems to be
less demand for them now than 25 years ago. So back to the books in
addition to the online courses and materials from AOPA. Should be less
of a challenge after I get a plane finished and flying regularly. My
apology for all the unsolicited info and advice.
Al
CH701&601XL\Corvair
On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:35 AM, LHusky@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test
> DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the test
> before I can solo. I hate to buy something that I will probably only
> use once. If you can help, let me know. I need to get studying.
> This is what my instructor wants me to study.
>
> Larry Husky
> 601XL \ Corvair
> Just finished moving
> Time to build again!
>
>
> lcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982"
> href="http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?
> ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982" target="_blank">AOL.com.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Having passed the written before solo is a FAA requirement.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
Hi Larry,
I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you
excited. I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.
I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was
working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's. That
allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a college
class. Not only did I get college credit for the "Free" class which ran
a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air Force pilot who
really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it too. Perhaps the King DVD
set is the best alternative available to you for the same training.
My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test
before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and
immediately find another instructor. This is (in my opinion) an
outrageous requirement. You don't need all the information from the
ground school to be safe for solo flight. Indeed, I think some of the
lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after you are
in the situation where you might encounter actual flights involving the
information studied. You really don't need to know all the ins and outs
of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation, and weather
systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.
I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground school
before any flight. Also, I don't think it would be a problem to
complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo
flight and local practice flying.
Just my opinion.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:
Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test
DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the test
before I can solo. I hate to buy something that I will probably only
use once. If you can help, let me know. I need to get studying. This
is what my instructor wants me to study.
Larry Husky
601XL \ Corvair
Just finished moving
Time to build again!
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Friends,
WANTED ZENITH 701
I took a friend to the Zenith banquet at EAA this year and he couldn't keep
his eyes off the flying 701 presentation! Mel has officially caught the bug!
He is currently building a Protec PT-2 and he wants to sell his project and
buy a 701. If anyone has a complete kit for sale in any stage of
development, please contact Mel or me at the phone numbers below, or E-mail
me and I will forward it to Mel. Thanks.
Mel Struck - 206-365-9081 or cell 206-255-5379
Joe in Oshkosh
920-237-1450
backstagelive@gmail.com
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I asked Nick of Roger (one of them)about this a couple of years ago. He told me
that automotive paint is all they use....Geoff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127736#127736
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| Subject: | Magellan 315- fresh database |
>
> Time: 03:33:29 PM PST US
> From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" <infow@mts.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Magellan GSP
>
>
> Anybody out there with a Magellan 315 hand held GPS?
>
> Ron
>
>
Hi Ron,
This gps is absolutely the best kept secret I have found and it's thanks
to a guy named Brian Wade. He voluntarily converts the most recent
Jepperson data into FREE downloadable waypoint files for the Magellan
315. You will have hundreds of airports and basic airport data upgraded
every 28 days thanks to this gentleman. His website is
http://home.stny.rr.com/bkw/315/.
I fly both low and slow and fast and this gps is probably best
suited for the low and slow crowd, but the first thing you will notice
is that there are hundreds of private airstrips that you didn't know
existed. My Lowrance Jepps updates don't list my favorite smaller
airports but Brian's lists dozens I didn't know existed.
I will readily admit that it takes a bit of experience to download his
information and install it into the 315, but he has lots of helpful
instructions and answered my personal emails many times. Lots of folks
rip off his database and put it on 315's and sell them on eBay for big
bucks because of the aviation database, but you can buy a used unit for
$75 or so and install the latest database yourself and fly to the next
$50 hamburger with the difference. If your 315 doesn't come with a data
cable for the computer you will need one, but they are plentiful on the
internet. Sure the 315 is a bit primitive without maps but if my motor
gets quiet I'd bet dollars to donuts that Brian's database will come up
with an airport closer to you than your chart will.
Good luck and give a big thank you to Brian if you use his website.
Ron Zenith601HDS taildragger
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming |
Listers:
I successfully bent most of my empennage skins by vacuum forming and
wrote a posting to the list about the experience. It's accessable from
the
archives by using my name or "vacuum forming" as search words. Message
number 10043. The
statement below is "material ruining " accurate. I describe in my post
how
to overcome it.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV do not archive
it's very easy to overbend the skin because the shop vac will pull
the air out of the gap much quicker than what you think.
----- Original Message -----
From: Debo Cox
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum
Forming
Hi all,
I'm also a member of the Sonex builders list and recently there's been
some activity about a really cool vacuum-forming technique for bending
leading edge skins. This technique may be familiar to some, but just
having just completed my wing nose skins, I found myself asking the
question - "Is there not a better way to do this?" This looks like a
good way to bend just about any skin you need to bend, but especially
good for doing the 12-foot wing nose skins.
I have not used this technique myself. I'm only including a link
because I think it's a great "thinking outside the box" idea that may
help someone else in the Zenith community. Of course you'll need to
adjust the bend radius to suit your needs and do your own experimenting,
but here's the link to the 3-part series on YouTube. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqzToYQ765w
Debo Cox
XL/Corvair Scratchbuilder
Nags Head, NC
Wings in progress
Go ahead and archive this one
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Well, I shouldn't say requirement but a recommendation from the FAA.
Also for some flight schools (like the one I went to) their insurance
required it.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mikesell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
Having passed the written before solo is a FAA requirement.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
Hi Larry,
I don't have the DVDs you want, so don't let my message get you
excited. I just want to comment on the training requirement you face.
I was fortunate to be at a college with Air Force ROTC when I was
working on getting my private license way back in the 1960's. That
allowed me to sign up for the Private Pilot Ground School as a college
class. Not only did I get college credit for the "Free" class which ran
a full semester, but it was taught by a senior Air Force pilot who
really knew his stuff and enjoyed teaching it too. Perhaps the King DVD
set is the best alternative available to you for the same training.
My reaction to an instructor who insists I pass the written test
before solo would be to say "Thank you for all your help" and
immediately find another instructor. This is (in my opinion) an
outrageous requirement. You don't need all the information from the
ground school to be safe for solo flight. Indeed, I think some of the
lessons would be more interesting and easy to understand after you are
in the situation where you might encounter actual flights involving the
information studied. You really don't need to know all the ins and outs
of airport light systems, chart reading, radio navigation, and weather
systems to do circuits and bumps in the traffic pattern.
I don't think it would hurt any student to do the whole ground
school before any flight. Also, I don't think it would be a problem to
complete the ground school after achieving the skills needed for solo
flight and local practice flying.
Just my opinion.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 10:35 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:
Does anyone out there, have the King Private Pilot Knowledge Test
DVD's that they want to sell, rent, lend etc. I have to pass the test
before I can solo. I hate to buy something that I will probably only
use once. If you can help, let me know. I need to get studying. This
is what my instructor wants me to study.
Larry Husky
601XL \ Corvair
Just finished moving
Time to build again!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Good morning Paul,
Could you elaborate a bit on the gun: name, model, etc. It sounds interesting.
Thanks,
Elden J.
xl/3300
Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I am using the lower cost acrylic enamel from PPG for my plane. I
chose this mostly because it is less toxic than the urethane system,
but it is also considerably less expensive. It has slightly less
shine than the urethane, and doesn't have as many color choices
available. My cost average for the epoxy primer and acrylic enamel
are around $100 per gallon when you add in all the necessary reducers
and hardeners. I also bought a very nice German HVLP gravity feed
gun there for around $100. The gun works incredibly well, and has so
many adjustments I am still learning how best to use it.
I decided to use a self etching primer under all the above paint to
prepare the aluminum surface. The older (more accepted) way is to
use "Alumiprep" and "Alodine" under the paint. Even though I have
already used a primer before going to the PPG products, I learned
through testing that I still need a standard primer under the top
coat. Without the standard primer, the top coat tended to lift the
self etching primer.
The paint store where I bought it supplies all the professional
automotive and aircraft paint shops in the Portland, OR area. One of
the points the guy at the store made for me was the shops use the
acrylic enamel to paint airplanes regularly. This is what you get if
you pay for the "Standard" paint job on a certified plane.
My own opinion is that the more expensive urethane based paint might
be a good choice if you want that extra shine or exotic colors on
your plane. I also think the outrageously expensive paints
supposedly designed for airplanes are really designed for folks who
have "More dollars than sense".
Paul
XL fuselage
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>I have a question on types of paint people have used and success or lack of.
>I plan to use PPG Shopline Acrylic Urethane system. The problem is
>that I have been told that the automotave paints are not designed to
>hold up in tha aircraft enviroment. Like they will come off after awhile.
>Have any of you used other than approved aircraft paints and what
>were the results.
>
>On another matter, where can i get a cover thr the tach. output on
>my IO360? Am using all elect. panel and will not be using it.
>
>Thanks a bunch in advance.
>
>--------
>Do not archive
>
>Dan Stanton
>95% done paint to go
>801, IO360
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| Subject: | in-flight adjustable props |
Hi guys,
Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop with
any success?
I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these things,
but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not.
Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've made no
further comments.
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: in-flight adjustable props |
Have a look a this group subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com they use an electric
prop.
Larry Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
<stratus-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: in-flight adjustable props
>
> Hi guys,
> Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop with
> any success?
> I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these things,
> but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not.
>
> Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've made no
> further comments.
>
> Larry McFarland
>
>
> --
4:16 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: in-flight adjustable props |
Sorry try this link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/subaruaircraft/
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
<stratus-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: in-flight adjustable props
>
> Hi guys,
> Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop with
> any success?
> I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these things,
> but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not.
>
> Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've made no
> further comments.
>
> Larry McFarland
>
>
> --
4:16 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
The only thing that's required by the FAA for solo is an endorsement
from your instructor and a class 3 medical or driver's license. The
instructor has to make sure the student is knowledgeable in FAA rules
and regulations which he can do with a written or oral test.
Kevin Rupert
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after you're
done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can only be used
on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep a copy for
yourself.
> If you are not using a Mac and decide to go with the King Schools
> material, don't forget that they are licensed for single use - not to be
> sold to a third party.
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| Subject: | Interior Upholstery |
Guys & Gals:
Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the 601
XL besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine
leather. Thanks.
DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler
Big parts done & on the main
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Hays" <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
> If you are not using a Mac and decide to go with the King Schools
> material, don't forget that they are licensed for single use - not to be
> sold to a third party.
I don't think this is true. Software can be sold as many times as you want,
it's your personal property. You are NOT allowed to sell a copy of the
software AND keep a copy for yourself.
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
"R.P.",
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what it says on the King Schools website.
Of course you would be able to sell it, but being able to doesn't mean
it would be either legal or ethical.
You'll find King Schools' policy and info at:
www.kingschools.com/UsedCourses.asp
It says, in part: "3. Licensed for Single Use -- All KING Courses are
copyrighted and protected by federal laws. The computer discs are
licensed only for single individual use and may not be sold to a third
party. This is the same as almost all intellectual properties on
computer discs such as the software on your computer."
Even if the wording of the actual license agreement (I haven't seen it)
doesn't prohibit resale, I know the resale would be wrong and don't
believe it would be much of a bargain to the buyer. If someone really
needs that software, they should have an up to date version and be able
to get updates and/or support from King Schools.
Al
On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:18 PM, R.P. wrote:
>
> Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after
> you're done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can
> only be used on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep
> a copy for yourself.
>
>> If you are not using a Mac and decide to go with the King Schools
>> material, don't forget that they are licensed for single use - not
>> to be sold to a third party.
>
>
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| Subject: | Ground School DVD's |
Actually, you cannot resell the King Courses. You buy a license to the
software, not the software. There is an activation code that only works
once.
I have the King Instrument DVD software and it says:
Section 1) "Ownership of the Software: This computer software and all
related content contained in the course is licensed to you, not sold to
you..."
Section 2) " You may use the Software for your own personal, individual
self-study only on a single computer"
Section 3F) "You many not transfer ownership or use of this license to
another person. Any attempt to transfer the license terminates your right
to use the software"
It is a pretty standard software license. Most people are under the
impression they can resell any software, but that is rarely the case.
The Kings make great courses so I feel they deserve to get paid for every
pilot they help train.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.P.
Sent: August-06-07 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after you're
done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can only be used
on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep a copy for
yourself.
> If you are not using a Mac and decide to go with the King Schools
> material, don't forget that they are licensed for single use - not to be
> sold to a third party.
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Upholstery |
My sarcasm meter isn't functioning as it should. Probably because it is Monday.
So just stop reading when you get to the answer that suits.
A. I understand your desire not to use animal skin for the covering of your seats.
Don't worry it ain't real leather.
B. I hate faux leather too. I'm getting my local auto upholstery guy to get me
some samples of durable fabric. I'm really interested to see if he can get the
stuff that is in my Honda Ridgeline. I'd suggest you stop by the local Honda
dealer and see what I mean. It is tough and I recently took a 12 hour drive to
FLA and it never got uncomfortable.
C. I've thought about having the guy mentioned in B to make me some out of good
leather.
bressler(at)wyoming.com wrote:
> Guys & Gals:
> Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the 601 XL
besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine leather.
Thanks.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler
> Big parts done & on the main
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Ground School DVD's |
The "enrollment password" can only be used once and stops the resale of the
software. I had a computer die and tried to reinstall the software. You
had to call in and confirm that you are the original owner by answering a
few questions about the original purchase. The software does prompt you
that you can buy a new pASSWORD to run the software BUT it is at the price
of the new software so why bother.
Paul Riedlinger
paulried@rogers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hays
Sent: August-06-07 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
"R.P.",
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what it says on the King Schools website.
Of course you would be able to sell it, but being able to doesn't mean
it would be either legal or ethical.
You'll find King Schools' policy and info at:
www.kingschools.com/UsedCourses.asp
It says, in part: "3. Licensed for Single Use -- All KING Courses are
copyrighted and protected by federal laws. The computer discs are
licensed only for single individual use and may not be sold to a third
party. This is the same as almost all intellectual properties on
computer discs such as the software on your computer."
Even if the wording of the actual license agreement (I haven't seen it)
doesn't prohibit resale, I know the resale would be wrong and don't
believe it would be much of a bargain to the buyer. If someone really
needs that software, they should have an up to date version and be able
to get updates and/or support from King Schools.
Al
On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:18 PM, R.P. wrote:
>
> Al, are you sure about not being able to sell your software after
> you're done with it? I thought the license allowed resale, but it can
> only be used on one computer at a time: you can't sell a copy and keep
> a copy for yourself.
>
>> If you are not using a Mac and decide to go with the King Schools
>> material, don't forget that they are licensed for single use - not
>> to be sold to a third party.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Upholstery |
They used some sort of Naugahyde on mine. Has to end the lives of hundreds of little
helpless Naugas but it was worth the sacrifice.
Dred
> bressler(at)wyoming.com wrote:
> > Guys & Gals:
> > Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the 601 XL
besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine leather.
Thanks.
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler
> > Big parts done & on the main
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Upholstery |
Worry not about the Naugas - see this:
http://www.naugahyde.com/history.html
Carlos
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On 06/08/07, dredmoody@cox.net <dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> They used some sort of Naugahyde on mine. Has to end the lives of hundreds
> of little helpless Naugas but it was worth the sacrifice.
>
> Dred
>
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| Subject: | Re: in-flight adjustable props |
Hi Larry, I have an in flight electric adjustable Ivo on my 801. I use
a highly modifies BeltedAir redrive and not a hint of problems. I have
looked at your web site and it is a 601 builders dream, I was a machinis
t in a previous life and I admire your craftsmenship.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> wrote:
>
Hi guys,
Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop with
any success?
I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these thing
s,
but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not.
Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've made
no
further comments.
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Upholstery |
I have the flight crafters interior and it looks and feels great. I have not
finished the plane yet so I can't speak about the feel when sitting under a
bubble canopy in Florida heat but I suspect it will be much like the
interior in my car - HOT!
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Interior Upholstery
They used some sort of Naugahyde on mine. Has to end the lives of hundreds
of little helpless Naugas but it was worth the sacrifice.
Dred
> bressler(at)wyoming.com wrote:
> > Guys & Gals:
> > Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the
601 XL besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine
leather. Thanks.
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler
> > Big parts done & on the main
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| Subject: | Re: Ground School DVD's |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Hays" <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's
> <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>
> "R.P.",
> Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what it says on the King Schools website. Of
> course you would be able to sell it, but being able to doesn't mean it
> would be either legal or ethical.
I've always been under the impression that software belongs to the
purchaser, to be used on one computer at a time.
I looked into this "single user" agreement, and according to the wikipedia
website it's not exactly what the seller says it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
According to this, the law is on the purchaser's side. Even if the company
SAYS you cannot sell the software, the law has determined that you CAN. I
see nothing unethical about selling software that I no longer need,
apparently the law agrees.
Interesting
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| Subject: | Location for wing-mounted landing lights? |
I am going to use (really bright) automotive HID driving lights instead
of the aviation-type lights for my wing-mounted landing and taxi lights.
I would like to have a little more solid structure to hook to for the
light mounts. Does anyone see any structural or operational problem
with moving the lights one rib inboard? That is, placing them between
the two most outboard leading edge ribs, instead of between the most
outboard and the tip?
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? |
I believe in some earlier versions of the 601 the landing lights were one bay inboard.
One reason for keeping the lights as far out as possible is to reduce
glare and prop reflection that could bother the pilot. I'm not sure how much
additional strength you'll gain by such a move but I see no reason why it can't
be done. Be sure that you use wire, switches and etc. that can handle the
load.
Tim
--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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I have the fire wall forward kit from Sky shops, bought at sun & Fun in
06.
I did not get any instructions with it and need help. Who else has
installed the
Czech kit on their 701. Did you get any instructions?
John Swanson
CH701
Upper Michigan
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| Subject: | Location for wing-mounted landing lights? |
Andy,
I have installed the ZAC-supplied lighting, but I have moved it one bay toward
the fuselage. This was at the suggestion of my EAA technical adviser. I had
a "smile" in the nose skin at that point and the move eliminated the blemish.
Jay in Dallas
"Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net> wrote:
>I am going to use (really bright) automotive HID driving lights instead of the
aviation-type lights for my wing-mounted landing and taxi lights. I would like
to have a little more solid structure to hook to for the light mounts. Does
anyone see any structural or operational problem with moving the lights one
rib inboard? That is, placing them between the two most outboard leading edge
ribs, instead of between the most outboard and the tip?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
>N601GE (reserved)
>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? |
just remember you have to look at the servicabilty factor, if you move them in
closer inboard, you may need to add a hatch. The ones done more towards the tip
were most likely planned and execut4ed after the wing was done.
SO if planning on doing them inboard, think of doing them prior to sealiong the
wing skin.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net>
>Sent: Aug 6, 2007 7:30 PM
>To: Zenith-List Digest Server <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Location for wing-mounted landing lights?
>
>I am going to use (really bright) automotive HID driving lights instead of the
aviation-type lights for my wing-mounted landing and taxi lights. I would like
to have a little more solid structure to hook to for the light mounts. Does
anyone see any structural or operational problem with moving the lights one
rib inboard? That is, placing them between the two most outboard leading edge
ribs, instead of between the most outboard and the tip?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
>N601GE (reserved)
>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Interior Upholstery |
i little wool betwen the legs ain't too bad , feels netter than Pleather
-----Original Message-----
>From: dredmoody@cox.net
>Sent: Aug 6, 2007 4:01 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Interior Upholstery
>
>
>They used some sort of Naugahyde on mine. Has to end the lives of hundreds of
little helpless Naugas but it was worth the sacrifice.
>
>Dred
>
>> bressler(at)wyoming.com wrote:
>> > Guys & Gals:
>> > Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the 601
XL besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine leather.
Thanks.
>> > DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler
>> > Big parts done & on the main
>
>
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John,
Looks like nothing has changed, mine was the same, E-mail Zaneta @
_zaneta@skyshops.org_ (mailto:zaneta@skyshops.org) and let her know, there was a cd of
pictures and some pages of drawings. Don't get too excited as they leave a
lot to be desired.
Bob Spudis N701ZX/912S/122hrs
In a message dated 8/6/2007 8:47:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jswanson@jamadots.com writes:
I have the fire wall forward kit from Sky shops, bought at sun & Fun in 06.
I did not get any instructions with it and need help. Who else has
installed the
Czech kit on their 701. Did you get any instructions?
John Swanson
CH701
Upper Michigan
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