---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/07/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:49 AM - Paint (Bob) 2. 05:53 AM - Re: CH701 FWF (Gordon) 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Interior Upholstery (japhillipsga@aol.com) 4. 10:30 AM - Re: Interior Upholstery (alex_01) 5. 11:38 AM - Re: Paint (Robert Schoenberger) 6. 01:21 PM - XL Aileron Travel (Chuck & Lana Maggart) 7. 03:34 PM - AMD Patriot (Ken Arnold) 8. 04:19 PM - Re: AMD Patriot (jsight) 9. 04:21 PM - Re: Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming (leinad) 10. 04:30 PM - Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (leinad) 11. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Ryan Vechinski) 12. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (NYTerminat@aol.com) 13. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: AMD Patriot (Ryan Vechinski) 14. 07:50 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 08/06/07 (EMAproducts@aol.com) 15. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 08/06/07 (David Mikesell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:41 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Zenith-List: Paint A gentleman who managed the Cessna paint shop for years and now owns a Sherwin Williams store recommended the Sherwin Williams DTM Acrylic enam el. It's an industrial and marine enamel with good gloss, easy to roll, brus h or spray and at $60.00 per galleon, a good buy. Have only tried small items so far but I'm happy. Bob, Wichita ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:04 AM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 FWF No instructions with mine, but I got a CD with photos. It took some head scratching, but between the zenith drawings and the photos it all eventually makes sense. Some of the parts I received were obviously for something other than a 701 which added to the confusion. I had to contact Woodcomp for instructions and documentation for the prop which they emailed to me, but in the end it worked out and I'm happy with the results. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: John Swanson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 FWF I have the fire wall forward kit from Sky shops, bought at sun & Fun in 06. I did not get any instructions with it and need help. Who else has installed the Czech kit on their 701. Did you get any instructions? John Swanson CH701 Upper Michigan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Interior Upholstery From: japhillipsga@aol.com Wes, it really depends on how much of a self doer you are. I have built many hot rods and re did many interiors so doing my XL was not much of a challenge. I cut out thin cardborad templates for all the pieces, re cut them to fit from thicker?light fiber board, affixed mounting points and padded and glued light fabric to the boards. Took a sweaty weekend. Between velco, double sided tape and a few screws I padded and covered most everything. The most difficult process is form fitting floor carpet over the heel pad. I developed a technique to make a form fitted carpet that worked out perfect. Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: dredmoody@cox.net Sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Interior Upholstery They used some sort of Naugahyde on mine. Has to end the lives of hundreds of little helpless Naugas but it was worth the sacrifice. Dred > bressler(at)wyoming.com wrote: > > Guys & Gals: > > Does anyone out there know or recommend interior upholstery for the 601 XL besides the FlightCrafter package? We object to the feel of fine leather. Thanks. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE Wes & Lurlene Bressler > > Big parts done & on the main ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Interior Upholstery From: "alex_01" used ALCANTARA a very nice material also good to use when hot as you dont sweat on it and also good when cold and super easy to keep clean. you should be able to get from car trim shop as it is used on many cars as OE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127968#127968 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0111_847.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:47 AM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint Bob . . . what did he recommend in the way of preping, priming, etc. Sounds good. Robert Schoenberger 701 Bob wrote: > A gentleman who managed the Cessna paint shop for years and now owns a > Sherwin Williams store recommended the Sherwin Williams DTM Acrylic > enamel. It's an industrial and marine enamel with good gloss, easy to > roll, brush or spray and at $60.00 per galleon, a good buy. > > Have only tried small items so far but I'm happy. > > Bob, Wichita > > > > > Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:29 PM PST US From: "Chuck & Lana Maggart" Subject: Zenith-List: XL Aileron Travel List, I am rigging the control cables now and find that I can not get full aileron deflection before the "Y" stick hits the sides of the console. It looks like I am around 2 to 4 degrees short of the 11.5 degree travel required. One possible solution would be to lower the front sides of the console by one or two inches. Anyone else encountered this situation? Chuck Maggart, XL/Jabiru3300 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:45 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: AMD Patriot Their new web site: http://sport.aero/specifications.html Ken CH701 N701LK 75% ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot From: "jsight" Nice find! And, wow, that looks nice! :-) -------- Aviation Blog Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128017#128017 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratchbuilders - Leading Edge Skin Vacuum Forming From: "leinad" Debo, Thanks for posting this link. I'm really psyched about bending my nose skins now. I've got this task coming up and I was rather apprehensive. I'd come up with a number of inferior methods and am so glad you posted the yootube link when you did. I only wish I had know about back when I did the stabelizer. Thanks again! Dan Dempsey (do not archive) I'm also a member of the Sonex builders list and recently there's been some activity about a really cool vacuum-forming technique for bending leading edge skins. This technique may be familiar to some, but just having just completed my wing nose skins, I found myself asking the question - "Is there not a better way to do this?" This looks like a good way to bend just about any skin you need to bend, but especially good for doing the 12-foot wing nose skins. I have not used this technique myself. I'm only including a link because I think it's a great "thinking outside the box" idea that may help someone else in the Zenith community. Of course you'll need to adjust the bend radius to suit your needs and do your own experimenting, but here's the link to the 3-part series on YouTube. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqzToYQ765w Debo Cox XL/Corvair Scratchbuilder Nags Head, NC > -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128018#128018 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? From: "leinad" Andy, It looks like you're getting some good feed back here, but I was wondering if you had considered one other alternative. When doing my light assembly I used a complete nose rib instead the little peice called for in the plans. This I lightened with some large flanged lightening holes. I can still reach it from the wing tip service hole. Then again, being a plans builder meant making just one more nose rib. Not sure you're going that route. Dan > I am going to use (really bright) automotive HID driving lights instead of the aviation-type lights for my wing-mounted landing and taxi lights. I would like to have a little more solid structure to hook to for the light mounts. Does anyone see any structural or operational problem with moving the lights one rib inboard? That is, placing them between the two most outboard leading edge ribs, instead of between the most outboard and the tip? > > Thanks, > Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ > N601GE (reserved) > 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128019#128019 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:50 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot That looks really nice! Besides the slightly longer take-off roll, it look s like everything is better than the 701; cruise speed, payload, top speed. I wonder what the differences (design-wise) are between this and the 701? > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot> From: jesse.sightler@gmail.com> Da te: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:16:18 -0700> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Ze nith-List message posted by: "jsight" > > Nice fi nd! And, wow, that looks nice! :-)> > --------> Aviation Blog> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128017#128017> > > > > > > =============> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:16 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot No slats, wheel pants, strut fairings, wheel pants and a sleeker design. In a message dated 8/7/2007 7:53:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brothapig@HOTMAIL.COM writes: That looks really nice! Besides the slightly longer take-off roll, it looks like everything is better than the 701; cruise speed, payload, top speed. I wonder what the differences (design-wise) are between this and the 701? http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:06 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: AMD Patriot They must have made some design changes in order to get a faster Vne...I wo nder if they could be incorporated into the 701 design... From: NYTerminat@aol.comDate: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:30:38 -0400Subject: Re: Ze nith-List: Re: AMD PatriotTo: zenith-list@matronics.com No slats, wheel pants, strut fairings, wheel pants and a sleeker design. In a message dated 8/7/2007 7:53:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brothapig@H OTMAIL.COM writes: That looks really nice! Besides the slightly longer take-off roll, it look s like everything is better than the 701; cruise speed, payload, top speed. I wonder what the differences (design-wise) are between this and the 701? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:15 PM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 08/06/07 Time: 08:11:50 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's Having passed the written before solo is a FAA requirement. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 ****************** Sorry David, this is not true. The FAA requires you take a pre-solo written exam, not the FAA Private Pilots written. For verification go to the FAR's. Every pilot should own a set of regulations not only for knowledge but to insure he / she is legal. If you don't want to purchase the FAR's they are available on many sites for free on the internet. Elbie Mendenhall CFI continually since 1962; ATP CE-500, B-737, DC-9 47 years of flying both work & play, 25,000+ hours EAA 38308 EAA Chapter 782 Flight Advisor _www.riteangle.com_ (http://www.riteangle.com) http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:30 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 08/06/07 I corrected that in the next email. I meant to state that most flying schools insurance require it but the FAA recommends it. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: EMAproducts@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 38 Msgs - 08/06/07 Time: 08:11:50 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ground School DVD's Having passed the written before solo is a FAA requirement. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 ****************** Sorry David, this is not true. The FAA requires you take a pre-solo written exam, not the FAA Private Pilots written. For verification go to the FAR's. Every pilot should own a set of regulations not only for knowledge but to insure he / she is legal. If you don't want to purchase the FAR's they are available on many sites for free on the internet. Elbie Mendenhall CFI continually since 1962; ATP CE-500, B-737, DC-9 47 years of flying both work & play, 25,000+ hours EAA 38308 EAA Chapter 782 Flight Advisor www.riteangle.com AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.