---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/09/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: South African Builders (martyn@flight.co.za) 2. 05:34 AM - FW: Zodiac for Sale (Dave New) 3. 06:20 AM - Looking for electrical 14V Horizon (alex_01) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? (alex_01) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: 701 builders, bottom fuselage (txpilot) 6. 08:38 AM - Re: XL Aileron Travel (Tim Juhl) 7. 09:33 AM - electrical connections between wings and fuse (john butterfield) 8. 09:53 AM - Re: electrical connections between wings and fuse (SABorns@aol.com) 9. 10:29 AM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (Southern Reflections) 10. 10:31 AM - Re: XL Aileron Travel (Juan Vega) 11. 10:39 AM - Re: electrical connections between wings and fuse (Arthur Olechowski) 12. 10:40 AM - Cowling Mold for a CH-701 (Jay Caldwell) 13. 10:45 AM - Re: electrical connections between wings and fuse (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 10:57 AM - Re: Cowling Mold for a CH-701 (Jerry Hey) 15. 11:26 AM - Re: MapSource Waypoint Inputs (BillW) 16. 12:46 PM - Aluminum fuel lines (Bob Duns) 17. 02:00 PM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (DaveG601XL) 18. 02:55 PM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (PatrickW) 19. 03:45 PM - Wings & Tail (george may) 20. 04:06 PM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (LarryMcFarland) 21. 04:35 PM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (LarryMcFarland) 22. 05:07 PM - 701 with rear ring mount engine installation (txpilot) 23. 05:15 PM - Engine Weights? (Don Mountain) 24. 05:39 PM - Re: Engine Weights? (JohnDRead@aol.com) 25. 05:54 PM - Re: Engine Weights? (LarryMcFarland) 26. 06:47 PM - Re: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation (Dan) 27. 08:04 PM - Re: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation (Terry Fogelson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: South African Builders From: martyn@flight.co.za Hi Philip, Congatulations are in order for getting the Zenith Distribution rights for SA. How are the 801's going? Is Angel still involved with your enterprise? Regards Martyn Ward CH 701 Do not archive -List message posted by: "ZodieRocket" > > Philip Cronje > Bundu Aviation > philip@bunduaviation.com > www.bunduaviation.com > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hello All. > > Anybody recall nmaes amnd contact details of South African Zenith > builders > at all? > > Thanks in advance > > > 4:06 PM > > Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: FW: Zodiac for Sale From: "Dave New" ________________________________ From: Dave New Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 6:14 AM Subject: Zodiac for Sale List I have decided to sell my Zaodiac. CH601 HDS taildragger. Appox 210 hrs. Completed July 03. Custom Subaru engine installed. Flys great, can't get med. any more. Cruses solo 120-125 MPH Burns appox. 5.2 gph. Basic VRF. E-mail me off list for info questions or photos. Dave New dnew@panhandlegeotech.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for electrical 14V Horizon From: "alex_01" Hello, maybe someone of you would like to upgrade to EFIS or whatever and has a electrical artificial Horizon for sale. Thanks for your help. alex 601xl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128254#128254 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Location for wing-mounted landing lights? From: "alex_01" on this subject i mounted 2 12volt Halogen lights in the lower engine cowl good light (also possible to go for LEDs) and very light. housing for lights was made from Acrylic Plastic. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128257#128257 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0018_209.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0015b_317.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 builders, bottom fuselage From: "txpilot" Keith, According to my plans, the 303mm is NOT cl to cl. It is the dimension from 7F1-4 front to the back of 7F1-3. In order to hit the centers of the flanges, you need to subtract around 20mm for you pre-drilled hole distance. Hope this helps. Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128263#128263 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron Travel From: "Tim Juhl" Chuck, I'm not to the point you are but it seems to me I've seen this question raised by the group before and I'm a little surprised by the lack of response this time. You might check the archives but in any case I would contact the factory and see what they have to say about it. If you get a good response to your question please share it with the rest of us. Good luck! Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128276#128276 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:54 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: electrical connections between wings and fuse hi list i have finished the wings and am wondering the best way to connect the wires in the wing to the wires that go into the fuse. i want to use some sort of quick disconnect for every wire, but am not sure what they are called and if there are multi-wire connectors that would allow me to use just one connector for everthing in each wing. the trim tab uses a 5 wire bundle and seems a little redundant to have five seperate connections. any ideas would be nice. i will likely never take the wings off after i truck the machine to a test area, but you never know. regards john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:06 AM PST US From: SABorns@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: electrical connections between wings and fuse What you are looking for are Molex connectors. Even Radio Shack has them. Steven Bornstein 475 E. North Broadway Columbus, Ohio 43214 614 263-5819 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:03 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: in-flight adjustable props Larry have you considered a Prince P-Tip JoeN101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: in-flight adjustable props > > Hi guys, > Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop with > any success? > I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these things, > but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not. > > Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've made no > further comments. > > Larry McFarland > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:45 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Aileron Travel check the cable length, and rod lengths per plans, had same issue with elevator throw and needed to put rod at 220 per plans, making throw just right. 2 degrees off is not bad. -----Original Message----- >From: Chuck & Lana Maggart >Sent: Aug 7, 2007 4:20 PM >To: Zenith-List Digest Server >Subject: Zenith-List: XL Aileron Travel > >List, I am rigging the control cables now and find that I can not get full aileron deflection before the "Y" stick hits the sides of the console. It looks like I am around 2 to 4 degrees short of the 11.5 degree travel required. One possible solution would be to lower the front sides of the console by one or two inches. Anyone else encountered this situation? > >Chuck Maggart, XL/Jabiru3300 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:41 AM PST US From: Arthur Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: electrical connections between wings and fuse John, What you need is a feed-thru disconnect. One end would flange mount to the fuselage end of the wing root and the other end would disconnect at the wing end rib. Check this site: www.ittcannon.com Art john butterfield wrote: hi list i have finished the wings and am wondering the best way to connect the wires in the wing to the wires that go into the fuse. i want to use some sort of quick disconnect for every wire, but am not sure what they are called and if there are multi-wire connectors that would allow me to use just one connector for everthing in each wing. the trim tab uses a 5 wire bundle and seems a little redundant to have five seperate connections. any ideas would be nice. i will likely never take the wings off after i truck the machine to a test area, but you never know. regards john butterfield 601XL, corvair torrance, ca http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:47 AM PST US From: Jay Caldwell Subject: Zenith-List: Cowling Mold for a CH-701 I have a cowling mold for a Zenith CH-701 using a Subaru engine. The mold is a three piece system; a nose piece and a upper and lower half. It was professionally done and is quite sturdy. It has fulfilled its use and is now available for anyone else who has a need. If you are interested, e-mail me at caldwell@mswin.net, as this e-mail site will cease to exist on 15 August 2007. Put "Cowl" in the subject line. I am asking $350 FOB Santee CA (i.e. you pay for any shipping costs). Any price is negotiable. Jay F. Caldwell Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC 4181 Tamilynn Court San Diego, CA 92122 Voice 858.453.4594 Facsimile 858.452.1560 Work 619.562.0885 Mobile 858.336.0394 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:56 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: electrical connections between wings and fuse John, I didn't go with wing trim, but for the elevator trim cable bundle, I used a 9 pin DSUB connector. For the tail light, I used a knife connector, which I will protect with heat-shrink tubing when I install the tail. I will do the same for the fuel sender wires from the wings. I know there a lot of other wires from the wings, but I installed terminal blocks behind the seat backs, one for each side. These blocks are already wired to the power sources. I will terminate each wire from the wings with ring terminals and screw to the appropriate places on the terminal blocks. I felt that this was simpler than trying to find plugs that would handle the required current. Jay in Dallas john butterfield wrote: > >hi list >i have finished the wings and am wondering the best >way to connect the wires in the wing to the wires that >go into the fuse. i want to use some sort of quick >disconnect for every wire, but am not sure what they >are called and if there are multi-wire connectors that >would allow me to use just one connector for everthing >in each wing. the trim tab uses a 5 wire bundle and >seems a little redundant to have five seperate >connections. > >any ideas would be nice. i will likely never take the >wings off after i truck the machine to a test area, >but you never know. >regards >john butterfield >601XL, corvair >torrance, ca > > > >http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:09 AM PST US From: Jerry Hey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cowling Mold for a CH-701 Can you post of photo of the cowl that was pulled from this mold? Thanks Jerry On Aug 9, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Jay Caldwell wrote: > I have a cowling mold for a Zenith CH-701 using a Subaru engine. > The mold is a three piece system; a nose piece and a upper and > lower half. It was professionally done and is quite sturdy. It > has fulfilled its use and is now available for anyone else who has > a need. > > If you are interested, e-mail me at caldwell@mswin.net, as this e- > mail site will cease to exist on 15 August 2007. Put "Cowl" in the > subject line. > > I am asking $350 FOB Santee CA (i.e. you pay for any shipping > costs). Any price is negotiable. > > > Jay F. Caldwell > Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC > 4181 Tamilynn Court > San Diego, CA 92122 > Voice 858.453.4594 > Facsimile 858.452.1560 > Work 619.562.0885 > Mobile 858.336.0394 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: MapSource Waypoint Inputs From: "BillW" Ken Here is a method that I use, but it is a little convoluted: 1. Go to the following web site: http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/airport_safety/airportdata_5010 2. Enter some criteria and then push the select button. For Example, you can select state of Washington and Public Use. 3. Another page will appear. Select the Airport Facilities Data link under Data Downloads near the bottom of the page. 4. This will open an Excel file that contains a bunch of info about the airports you selected including altitude, latitude and longitude. I hope this helps. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128318#128318 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:18 PM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Zenith-List: Aluminum fuel lines Comments would be appreciated on use of 5052 aluminium fuel lines vs 3003 aluminium. I am planning a fuel system for 601HD/Corvair and will be using some braided flex lines (probably from Summit) and some solid lines. I believe that most use 5052 but shipping is an issue because I understand that 5052 cannot be coiled to stay within USPS package length restrictions. 3003 can be coiled to reduce package length. I will probably purchase solid fuel line from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. According to USPS website the maximum length for standard $23.00 parcel postage to Canada is 108" including girth, thus my preference for 3003 aluminium. Bob D. 601HD/Corvair Melfort, Sask., Canada ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum fuel lines From: "DaveG601XL" Bob, I also have been researching this same question recently. I talked to a few local RV guys and they both received the coiled tubing as a part of their kits. I will be doing the same and ordering 3003 from Aircraft Spruce. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128340#128340 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum fuel lines From: "PatrickW" I was just planning on going with the braided line from Summit. Single line straight from each fuel tank to the selector knob. I'm not as far along as you, so maybe I'm being overly simplistic. I am interested in what you decide to do. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128351#128351 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:43 PM PST US From: "george may" Subject: Zenith-List: Wings & Tail For any of you folks looking to save a few bucks on the wing and tail kits check out the following link: http://www.donateyourplane.com/zodiac_ch_601.htm George May 601XL 912s 135hrs _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:45 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum fuel lines Hi Bob, 5052 aluminum fuel line is for high pressure, 3003 aluminum fuel line is for low pressure applications where aircraft systems are involved. Unless you're going to do a fuel injected system or other where pressures exceed the normal fuel pumps at less than 10 p.s.i., your use of 3003 should be fine. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bob Duns wrote: > Comments would be appreciated on use of 5052 aluminium fuel lines vs > 3003 aluminium. I am planning a fuel system for 601HD/Corvair and > will be using some braided flex lines (probably from Summit) and some > solid lines. I believe that most use 5052 but shipping is an issue > because I understand that 5052 cannot be coiled to stay within USPS > package length restrictions. 3003 can be coiled to reduce package > length. I will probably purchase solid fuel line from Aircraft Spruce > or Wicks. According to USPS website the maximum length for standard > $23.00 parcel postage to Canada is 108" including girth, thus my > preference for 3003 aluminium. > > Bob D. > 601HD/Corvair > Melfort, Sask., Canada ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:00 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: in-flight adjustable props Hi Joe, Their specs say the flexure in the Prince P-Tip prop provides a pitch increase of 4-inches. While that's commendable, it doesn't come close to the increase between 14 and 18-degrees pitch, which is what I was hoping to find. Larry McFarland do not archive Southern Reflections wrote: > > > Larry have you considered a Prince P-Tip JoeN101HD Hi guys, >> Is anyone flying a Stratus Subaru with an in-flight adjustable prop >> with any success? >> I understand that a re-drive may have some adverse effect on these >> things, >> but I'd still like to know if it's doable, practical, safe or not. >> >> Warp Drive has an in-flight adjustable in development, but they've >> made no >> further comments. >> >> Larry McFarland > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation From: "txpilot" I'm starting to work on installing my 912S on my 701 kit. I have the new rear ring mount that ZAC introduced not too long ago. I'm curious if there's anyone out there who has the rear ring type mount. Are there any 'gotchyas' I need to look out for while installing the engine? I feel like I'm the guinea pig trying this new product. Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128377#128377 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:18 PM PST US From: Don Mountain Subject: Zenith-List: Engine Weights? I am building a Zenith 601 XL, and flying a Piper Cherokee. The Cherokee is really low powered when the density altitude gets up there in the summer time, making it difficult to fly and carry any passengers or baggage. As I approach the end of construction of my 601 fuselage, I am starting to look for an engine to power it. Being sensitive to the horsepower to weight ratio, I am looking for a listing of actual weights of installed engines in a 601 XL. What I would like to have is a listing of a complete engine with all the parts included like the exhaust system, starter, alternator, carborator, engine mount, coolers, propeller, and etc. for various engines, along with their horsepower ratings. I am considering so far the traditional Lycoming, Continental, Rotax, Jabarau, and various auto engine conversions. I am not considering anything less than 100 Horsepower. I have looked at the lists for Lycoming and Continental engines, but I can't figure out if all the critical things are included with their weights. As far as I can tell they may be shipping weights including the packaging without the starters or alternators? Thanks for any help you can give me on picking an engine. Don Mountain --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:32 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Weights? Take a look at the _www.USJabiru.com_ (http://www.USJabiru.com) web page it has the information you are looking for. I just took delivery of a 3300 for the CH701 I am building. The FWF package from USJ is very complete too. John Read http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:35 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Weights? Don, There's an easier perspective from which to choose an engine. If you've $14K or more to spend, buy the Jabaru 3300 as it's the "Merlin" of homebuilt engines. If you need to spend a little less, but want the most available and purchased engine for the buck, buy a Rotax 912. If you want better horsepower at minimal cost and weight, buy a Corvair. In nearly each engine, you'll probably be surprised how much more lift and performance that you'll get than the Piper. For weight, I cannot recommend the Subaru as it needs a radiator, but it is the least costly engine, to purchase, fuel use, parts and performance of any of them. It, like the Corvair, demands you invest a little more of yourself in knowing what the engine requires to be reliable. The weights of most engines are found at the following page link and there are links for each engine grouped by horsepower. http://www.aviator.cc/engines2.html Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com (Stratus/RAM Performance Subaru) Don Mountain wrote: > I am building a Zenith 601 XL, and flying a Piper Cherokee. The > Cherokee is really low powered when the density altitude gets up there > in the summer time, making it difficult to fly and carry any > passengers or baggage. As I approach the end of construction of my > 601 fuselage, I am starting to look for an engine to power it. Being > sensitive to the horsepower to weight ratio, I am looking for a > listing of actual weights of installed engines in a 601 XL. What I > would like to have is a listing of a complete engine with all the > parts included like the exhaust system, starter, alternator, > carborator, engine mount, coolers, propeller, and etc. for various > engines, along with their horsepower ratings. I am considering so far > the traditional Lycoming, Continental, Rotax, Jabarau, and various > auto engine conversions. I am not considering anything less than 100 > Horsepower. I have looked at the lists for Lycoming and Continental > engines, but I can't figure out if all the critical things are > included with their weights. As far as I can tell they may be > shipping weights including the packaging without the starters or > alternators? > > Thanks for any help you can give me on picking an engine. > > Don Mountain > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:30 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation Dan: I also have the new 701 912S ring mount. The installation guide I thought was very good. The problems I had were waiting for back ordered parts. Also the guide ends at Section 7 and there doesn't appear to be any help with the electrical wiring. I do have Homebuilt helps video on _Rotax 912 installation_ and _Electrical wiring 101_ which have been a big help so far. Does anyone have a recommendation for which battery I should buy? Rotax says is should be at least 18 AH. Dan Wilde txpilot wrote: > > I'm starting to work on installing my 912S on my 701 kit. I have the new rear ring mount that ZAC introduced not too long ago. I'm curious if there's anyone out there who has the rear ring type mount. > > Are there any 'gotchyas' I need to look out for while installing the engine? I feel like I'm the guinea pig trying this new product. > > Thanks, > > Dan Ginty > > > R ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:33 PM PST US From: Terry Fogelson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation I would recommend a non venting battery. I.E. Dry Cell, or gell cell. Having worked on lead acid types while in the military let me tell you that aluminum and battery acid do not mix well. Even though the batteries were vented to the outside of the aircraft somehow fumes would manage to creep into the battery compartment and cause corrosion. When I started working on aircraft that had nicads it was a much easier task to keep the battery compartment corrosion free. Terry --- Dan wrote: > > > Dan: I also have the new 701 912S ring mount. The > installation guide I > thought was very good. The problems I had were > waiting for back ordered > parts. Also the guide ends at Section 7 and there > doesn't appear to be > any help with the electrical wiring. I do have > Homebuilt helps video on > _Rotax 912 installation_ and _Electrical wiring 101_ > which have been a > big help so far. > > Does anyone have a recommendation for which battery > I should buy? Rotax > says is should be at least 18 AH. > > Dan Wilde > > txpilot wrote: > > > > > I'm starting to work on installing my 912S on my > 701 kit. I have the new rear ring mount that ZAC > introduced not too long ago. I'm curious if there's > anyone out there who has the rear ring type mount. > > > > Are there any 'gotchyas' I need to look out for > while installing the engine? I feel like I'm the > guinea pig trying this new product. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Ginty > > > > > > > > > > R > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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