---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/10/07: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation (phd1993) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: Spastic Tach (Zed Smith) 3. 07:08 AM - Diesel at Oshkosh (bob west) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: Diesel at Oshkosh (ZodieRocket) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Diesel at Oshkosh (Robert N. Eli) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: in-flight adjustable props (Gig Giacona) 7. 09:37 AM - Re: Diesel at Oshkosh (CH701) 8. 10:07 AM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (Bob Duns) 9. 11:00 AM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (LarryMcFarland) 10. 11:41 AM - Re: Aluminum fuel lines (Tim Juhl) 11. 11:45 AM - Re: Engine Weights? (Tim Juhl) 12. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Engine Weights? (LarryMcFarland) 13. 12:37 PM - Re: electrical connections between wings and fuse (Bryan Martin) 14. 01:02 PM - Re:Engine Weights? (MaxNr@aol.com) 15. 01:55 PM - Switches (Jaybannist@cs.com) 16. 03:10 PM - Ouch ..please do not archive (Ron Culver) 17. 04:08 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Bill Naumuk) 18. 04:22 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (ZodieRocket) 19. 04:30 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Ron Culver) 20. 05:18 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Gary Boothe) 21. 06:37 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (david hein) 22. 09:38 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Ron Culver) 23. 09:40 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Ron Culver) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (Ron Culver) 25. 09:51 PM - Re: Ouch ..please do not archive (ProWash) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 with rear ring mount engine installation From: "phd1993" The one major problem I ran into was with the water pump outlets. If I am not mistaken as you are looking at the engine from the rear the lower left water pump outlet tube needs to have the 80 degree bend instead of the 45 degree bend. This has been discussed previously on the board. A second concern I ran into was the radiator brackets. After approximately 5 hours of running the engine - all prior to actual first flight - I had both radiator brackets break. I don't know if it has anything to do with the ring mount but I have a tachometer that is spastic - will read OK for awhile but all of a sudden start jumping all over the place. Just some observations from my installation of the 912S on the ring mount for the CH701. Sam Hutcheson N6412Z - first flight completed Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128428#128428 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:28 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spastic Tach do not archive If your tach is "electronic" and is jumping all over you may, probably will, need to install a damping resistor across the tach leads. Reason for this is the Rotax tach output is an AC impluse....one large pulse which, unfortunately, is followed by several smaller pulses. The electronic tach sees all these as "valid" indications of engine revs and therefore attempts to display a count of the total. Since some of the trailing small pulses are "smaller" than some others, the tach just goes into Stupid Mode.....at one instant you may have a nearly-correct reading, then at the next instant it will attempt to display a reading several times actual. The input threshold sensitivity of the tach "sees" some of the small pulses, does not see others, so therefore wanders all over. The resistor damps the smaller "ringing" pulses and leaves only the one-pulse-per-rev as intended. I'm at the office so don't have my notes.....start with a 10K resistor, work down from there. A 'scope helps to troubleshoot this problem. The WesTach site has some tech notes which may address this problem. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Zed/701/R912/etc/100 degrees F today in North Texas! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:17 AM PST US From: bob west Subject: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Guys, Did anyone see a diesel 701 that went to Oskosh ?? I just saw a picture of a white 701 that had "turbo-diesel" on the cowling. BOB --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:16 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Vulcan Diesel is what you=92re talking about. They were at both Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. Great Idea , little progress. Costs equal to Rotax 912S Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob west Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Guys, Did anyone see a diesel 701 that went to Oskosh ?? I just saw a picture of a white 701 that had "turbo-diesel" on the cowling. BOB _____ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 8/9/2007 2:44 PM 8/9/2007 2:44 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:23 AM PST US From: "Robert N. Eli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Bob W., I saw it and talked to the guys responsible for it. As I recall, the engine is a new design based on some commonly available auto components, like a Honda auto engine block. I wasn't that impressed with it since it appeared that it wasn't ready for "prime time". It looked to me like there were still a lot of bugs to work out before it becomes something we can take seriously. Bob Eli ----- Original Message ----- From: bob west To: 701 list Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Guys, Did anyone see a diesel 701 that went to Oskosh ?? I just saw a picture of a white 701 that had "turbo-diesel" on the cowling. BOB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: in-flight adjustable props From: "Gig Giacona" On the positive side the P-Tip does stay within the S-LSA rules for those concerned with that. larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Their specs say the flexure in the Prince P-Tip prop provides a pitch > increase of 4-inches. > While that's commendable, it doesn't come close to the increase between > 14 and 18-degrees > pitch, which is what I was hoping to find. > > Larry McFarland > do not archive > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128476#128476 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US From: "CH701" <701stol@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Bob and all, Here's the link to their web site: http://vulcanaircraftengines.com/ These guys have been doing "top secret" diesel projects for years for the military under the name of a different company. The Raptor engine they showed in the 701 at Sun n' Fun & Oshkosh this year has been designed as an alternative to Rotax installations (weight, mounting, prop C/L). It has several hundred hours on the dyno already, but still isn't ready to fly just yet. Once the final design work & testing is complete and it's ready to bring to market, it is my understanding that they're going to target OEM's only, and not make it available to the global homebuilder community... Todd _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob west Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Diesel at Oshkosh Guys, Did anyone see a diesel 701 that went to Oskosh ?? I just saw a picture of a white 701 that had "turbo-diesel" on the cowling. BOB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:50 AM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum fuel lines Thanks for info on 3003 aluminum fuel lines. The archives was also helpful. I presume that .035 thickness in 3003 is generally used for fuel lines. Can anyone confirm this. Bob D. 601HD/Corvair ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:32 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aluminum fuel lines Hi Bob, You'll find .035 is the size that is nearly always used. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bob Duns wrote: > > Thanks for info on 3003 aluminum fuel lines. The archives was also > helpful. > > I presume that .035 thickness in 3003 is generally used for fuel > lines. Can anyone confirm this. > > Bob D. > 601HD/Corvair > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum fuel lines From: "Tim Juhl" Based upon the info I could find at the time, I ordered 5052 for my system. I will be using flex lines to connect to the hard line from the wing to the plumbing to/from the selector and in other locations as appropriate. I just ordered some pieces cut to the max length that UPS would accept without an oversize charge. A three foot piece is more than long enough for anyplace in the system. Take my advice and buy a tubing bending tool..... you'll be happier with the result. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128506#128506 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Engine Weights? From: "Tim Juhl" Larry, I like that "Merlin of homebuilt engines" comment. An easy response to the question "Why did you buy a Jabiru?" Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128507#128507 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:56 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Engine Weights? Yes Tim, for that airplane, it's a great choice and I would have bought one myself if I weren't so fond of the water-cooled Subaru. Larry McFarland do not archive Tim Juhl wrote: > > Larry, I like that "Merlin of homebuilt engines" comment. An easy response to the question "Why did you buy a Jabiru?" > > Tim > > -------- > ______________ > CFII > Champ L16A flying > Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A > Working on wings > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:33 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: electrical connections between wings and fuse Here's what I used: http://tinyurl.com/2a39sz These are available at Radio Shack in various sizes. They are commonly called Molex connectors although Radio Shack apparently doesn't call these by that name. The nylon shell comes with tabs that allow it to be snapped into position in a bulkhead so a cable can be plugged into it. Most of the connectors are designed for up to eight Amp circuits but the two pin connectors also come with terminals sized for 20 Amp circuits. john butterfield wrote: > > hi list > i have finished the wings and am wondering the best > way to connect the wires in the wing to the wires that > go into the fuse. -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:15 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Engine Weights? These links have some info on weights. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/weights.htm http://www.wanttaja.com/avlinks/engines.htm The FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS) for the Lyc O-235 gives its weight as 244lbs. It is a bit more than these links indicate. Do not archive Bob XL/Lyc ************************************** all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:26 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Switches Color me dumb, uninformed, whatever, but here's my confession. I bought all my switches from B&C Specialties,(AeroElectric Connention). With a small amount of investigation on their web site, I found that the 3-position switches are to be oriented with the keyway up. Silly me, I assumed that all the switches would be oriented the same way. WRONG! Doing some testing of the installed switches in my panel, I found that all my 2-position switches had up off and down on. So I am in the process of rotating a bunch of (already wired) 2-position switches to get off to be down and on to be up. Conclusion: Don't ASSUME! Red-faced Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:56 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( Ron Culver do not archive (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:45 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Ron- 80% of us understand. I hauled my share of junk to the scrapyard. Unfortunately, I couldn't use my son as a scapegoat. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Culver" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project into > the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and > carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that > worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had > an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable > number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be > redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I would > have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper respite to > coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some horror > stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just had to > vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( > Ron Culver > > do not archive > > (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:15 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive At least you can yell and call your son all sorts of nasty names. I had the misfortune of having a helping hand from my Father -N-Law. I am proud of myself though, I was able to smile all the way through him installing no less then 10 smilies in my 601's turtle deck. After he left I switched the skins over to .025. He never knew he did any damage and I never told the wife, she holds him on a higher plane of existence ! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Culver Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( Ron Culver do not archive (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) 8/9/2007 2:44 PM 8/9/2007 2:44 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:15 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive LOL Bill..yeah done enough of my own to boot..heheh TX I needed a good laugh .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > Ron- > 80% of us understand. I hauled my share of junk to the scrapyard. > Unfortunately, I couldn't use my son as a scapegoat. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Culver" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > >> >> I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project >> into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and >> carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that >> worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had >> an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a >> sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to >> be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I >> would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper >> respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some >> horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just >> had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( >> Ron Culver >> >> do not archive >> >> (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:51 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Ron, I'll bet he can use a paint brush or a lawn mower. Sounds to me like you get a free paint job on the house, and lawn service for a year!! You will be doing him a favor as I am sure he is crushed with guilt! Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Culver Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive LOL Bill..yeah done enough of my own to boot..heheh TX I needed a good laugh .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > Ron- > 80% of us understand. I hauled my share of junk to the scrapyard. > Unfortunately, I couldn't use my son as a scapegoat. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Culver" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > >> >> I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project >> into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and >> carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that >> worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had >> an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a >> sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to >> be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I >> would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper >> respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some >> horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just >> had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( >> Ron Culver >> >> do not archive >> >> (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:51 PM PST US From: david hein Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Ron, I feel your pain! Sorry to say, I am more the type of person to run over the parts than to manufacture them. Not fun for either party, however. All the Best, Dave Hein I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( Ron Culver do not archive (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:41 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Ouch Mark ..My father in law and my own father are as they say "in a better place"( higher plane? 8^). My father in law flew a really great old Aeronca back in the 1930's but he wasn't of a nature to build or repair almost anything. Luckily for him the plane outlasted his wife's interest.He was a bit older than his wife and was Customs agent in Northern Vermont. She was a Canadian girl and "loved to fly" right up until they got married ..heh .. Now my Dad was never interested in flying but could build anything. I miss them both. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ZodieRocket" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > At least you can yell and call your son all sorts of nasty names. I had > the misfortune of having a helping hand from my Father -N-Law. I am > proud of myself though, I was able to smile all the way through him > installing no less then 10 smilies in my 601's turtle deck. After he > left I switched the skins over to .025. He never knew he did any damage > and I never told the wife, she holds him on a higher plane of existence > ! > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Culver > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:07 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > > I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project > into > the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and > carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas > that > worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son > had an > emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable > number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be > redone... > arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I would have > him > redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper respite to coll me > off I > shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some horror stories of their > own > this is just mine.. no need to reply I just had to vent to someone who > would > understand the angst ... 8^( > Ron Culver > > do not archive > > (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) > > > 8/9/2007 2:44 PM > > > 8/9/2007 2:44 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:25 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Well since he now owns the barn he already does all of the mowing, gardening, and painting already. As well as doing a great job raising my two oh so beautifuland smart grandkids .. Aren't they all 8^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > Ron, > > I'll bet he can use a paint brush or a lawn mower. Sounds to me like you > get > a free paint job on the house, and lawn service for a year!! You will be > doing him a favor as I am sure he is crushed with guilt! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Culver > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:30 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > > LOL Bill..yeah done enough of my own to boot..heheh TX I needed a good > laugh > > .. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Naumuk" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive > > >> >> Ron- >> 80% of us understand. I hauled my share of junk to the scrapyard. >> Unfortunately, I couldn't use my son as a scapegoat. >> do not archive >> Bill Naumuk >> HDS Fuse/Corvair >> Townville, Pa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Culver" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:06 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive >> >> >>> >>> I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project >>> into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot >>> and > >>> carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas >>> that > >>> worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son >>> had > >>> an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a >>> sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to >>> be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy with tools I >>> would have him redo them but sadly he is not ... so after a proper >>> respite to coll me off I shall plod ahead.. I am sure other's have some >>> horror stories of their own this is just mine.. no need to reply I just >>> had to vent to someone who would understand the angst ... 8^( >>> Ron Culver >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> (is that the proper way to accomplish that?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:07 PM PST US From: "Ron Culver" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive LOL Dave my Dad wouldn't let me near much as I grew up so it is a wonder that I have the nerve to do this project at all.. fools walk in where angel's etc.. I never backed over a project which explains why I am still alive ..8^) ----- Original Message ----- From: david hein To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ouch ..please do not archive Ron, I feel your pain! Sorry to say, I am more the type of person to run over the parts than to manufacture them. Not fun for either party, however. All the Best, Dave Hein Ron Culver wrote: I had to move much of the finished parts of my scratch build project into the driveway while I checked a sill in the barn to check for rot and carpenter ants... (while repairing the outside my son saw some areas that worried him) .. In the interim someone parked in the driveway, my son had an emergency and swinging to avoid the other car he backed over a sizeable number of parts,most are salvagable but alas some will have to be redone... arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.If he were at all handy ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Ouch ..please do not archive From: "ProWash" I'm only a week into my 701 project and I already found a way to screw something up. I turned on the large fan in the shop and turned around just in time to see the skin for my stabilizer fly off the work bench and crash to the floor. I don't know about the smiley things you guys talk about, mine had several large frowns on it. I cried and cussed for a while and then was quite pleased to find that a sack of lead shot and a rubber mallet made things almost like new. With a creative paint job, "you" wouldn't know it was there. Do not archive -------- R Craig North Central Arkansas Future 701 Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128591#128591 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.