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1. 06:27 AM - Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Gig Giacona)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Beckman, Rick)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (ljkyle)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Papa Foxtrot)
5. 07:15 AM - Load in pod NOT same as wing lockers! (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
6. 07:39 AM - protocol (Jeff Small)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Robert Schoenberger)
8. 08:11 AM - Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Gig Giacona)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (R.P.)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Papa Foxtrot)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: protocol (ljkyle)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Michael Hilderbrand)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident ()
14. 10:30 AM - Clearance between fiberglass & muffler pipe (kkinney)
15. 11:06 AM - Re: Clearance between fiberglass & muffler pipe (Robin Bellach)
16. 01:28 PM - Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? (Don Merritt)
17. 01:33 PM - Renting an experimental aircraft (Don Merritt)
18. 01:44 PM - Re: Fw: [EAA347] Sonex accident (Gary Gower)
19. 01:52 PM - Re: Radiator hose for Stratus (Southern Reflections)
20. 02:05 PM - Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? (Gig Giacona)
21. 02:13 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Clyde Barcus)
22. 02:15 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Gig Giacona)
23. 02:15 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Clyde Barcus)
24. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (John Marzulli)
25. 04:12 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Bruce Johnson)
26. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? (Bryan Martin)
27. 05:30 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Bryan Martin)
28. 06:08 PM - Riveting to nylon? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
29. 06:12 PM - Re: Renting an experimental aircraft (Ronald Steele)
30. 06:23 PM - Re: Riveting to nylon? (Ron Lendon)
31. 07:17 PM - Re: Riveting to nylon? (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
32. 08:43 PM - Re: Riveting to nylon? (Terry Fogelson)
33. 09:07 PM - Re: Riveting to nylon? (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Is it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad taste to anyone
else?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Nope. Not to me. We send flowers at funerals as a symbol
of sympathy and of hope. I thought it was great. Again, my $.02.
Do not archive,please.
Is it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad
taste to anyone else?
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
no
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> Is it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad taste
to anyone else?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129572#129572
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9:48 AM
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Tough for me to tell for sure due to distance and debris - but I'm guessing it
was a Jabiru powerplant??
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| Subject: | Load in pod NOT same as wing lockers! |
Folks:
Please note that adding weight to your plane in a belly pod is
absolutely NOT the same as adding in the wing lockers.
For the same delta in gross, weight in the wings *reduces* the wing
bending moments while weight in the middle *increases* them. That is
why for most aircraft with tip tanks, the weight of the fuel and tank at
the tip is a "freebie" on loading the plane. Moving that same weight
to the middle will reduce the allowable G envelope accordingly.
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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Please fellows, these one line or one word posts need to be, at the
least, accompanied by DO NOT ARCHIVE. If you read the list guidelines
the posting of one line messages of a yea-or-nay nature or to simply nod
in agreement are highly discouraged, In fact, if not of interest to a
hundred listers then don't post. Personal e-mail address can easily be
gleaned from posts so why not respond directly to the poster if you
agree or not.
Yep, $.02 worth.
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
or maybe a memorial picture? Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Is it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad taste to
anyone else?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129572#129572
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
OK it was just me then. Maybe it was journalism background kicked in. It was kind
of out of place for a news story.
Papa Foxtrot, What makes you think it was Jab powered? Isn't the VW mod that Sonex
sells the engine of choice for them?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident
> <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> OK it was just me then. Maybe it was journalism background kicked in. It
> was kind of out of place for a news story.
>
> Papa Foxtrot, What makes you think it was Jab powered? Isn't the VW mod
> that Sonex sells the engine of choice for them?
>
You can see the crankcase and starter quite clearly in the pic.
Definitly a Jabiru.
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Papa Foxtrot, What makes you think it was Jab powered? Isn't the VW mod that
Sonex sells the engine of choice for them?
>From http://www.sonexaircraft.com/aircraft/sonex.html:
> The three recommended powerplants include the 2180cc Volkswagon, 2200 Jabiru,
and 3300 Jabiru.
Well, I tho't I counted three jugs on one side, but prob'ly just went cross-eyed
trying to figure it out. Looking again - maybe it was a vdub...
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sorry you are correct
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Small
To: zenith-list
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: protocol
Please fellows, these one line or one word posts need to be, at the
least, accompanied by DO NOT ARCHIVE. If you read the list guidelines
the posting of one line messages of a yea-or-nay nature or to simply nod
in agreement are highly discouraged, In fact, if not of interest to a
hundred listers then don't post. Personal e-mail address can easily be
gleaned from posts so why not respond directly to the poster if you
agree or not.
Yep, $.02 worth.
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Yes! =0A =0AMichael Hilderbrand=0ADerby, Kansas=0AHttp://www.kansasflying.c
om=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@s
uddenlink.net>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, August 17, 2
007 8:26:09 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident=0A=0A=0A
>=0A=0AIs it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad
taste to anyone else?=0A=0A--------=0AW.R. "Gig" Giacona=0A601XL
Under Construction=0ASee my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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| Subject: | Re: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Bad boy! Very bad boy! You fogot the Do Not Archive thingy.
Dred
---- Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Yes!
Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Http://www.kansasflying.com
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Is it just me or does the last photo, with the flower seem a in bad taste to anyone
else?
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| Subject: | Clearance between fiberglass & muffler pipe |
I can't find my Bingelis books to save my life.
Does anyone know the recommended clearance between the muffler pipe and the fiberglass
cowl?
Regards,
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: Clearance between fiberglass & muffler pipe |
In "Firewall Forward" he says allow at least 1" clearance to cowling.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kkinney" <kkinney@fuse.net>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Clearance between fiberglass & muffler pipe
>
> I can't find my Bingelis books to save my life.
>
> Does anyone know the recommended clearance between the muffler pipe and
> the fiberglass cowl?
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kinney
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129618#129618
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? |
I read, "the 601XL is not available as an approved E-LSA kit a
nd as far as I know, neither AMD nor Zenith plan take that step." Thi
s was from a statement by a Brian. If this is true, why do all the websites
insist that this is an lsa compatible plane? I just want to make sure sinc
e I am building a 601xl with jab or Rotax.
I am guessing that the paperwork for the two types, e-lsa and e-ab ar
e different. A little clarification please?
Don
N601NV- Reserved
601xl- First wing complete
Laredo, Tx
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| Subject: | Renting an experimental aircraft |
Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You ca
n't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs,
I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't
charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my
license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am
wrong.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [EAA347] Sonex accident |
Is very very sad to loose a Pilot, Is dificult to try guess an event like this,
given that most of us are not professionals, even if any of us has been in
search and rescue.
Probably a lost of power, made the pilot try to turn back to land, now (from
the photos) given the distance from the trees in the back, he probably just made
it with the glide to that spot, without photos from the back of the airplane
to the front, we dont know how much space he had left to complete the emergency
landing.
If only a few yards of clear area to land in front, he probably tried to hold
the plane over the floor and slow as much as possible the airplane. This probably
finished with a final flat stall from a few feet over the floor, that could
cause fatal damage... (New airfoils and airplane designs are kind of spin
resistant, but all loose a lot of altitude when they "buffet" or stall, if there
is some altitude left).
If the fire was present when he still was alive... God Bless Him, a painfull
dead...
What ever happened, he tried the best he could with what was happening every second
of that time... he really tried and I am sure made good decisions... Just
to much odds against him... RIP. My prayers to his Family.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
Hi group ,this is not Zenith related however thought I would pass it on .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird"
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: [EAA347] Sonex accident
> http://www.ntxe-news.com/artman/publish/article_39551.shtml
>
> Now, what would cause that specific kind of damage, a flat spin?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator hose for Stratus |
you can have it tell me where to send it..... Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Steer" <steerr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radiator hose for Stratus
>
> Thanks very much for the offer, Joe. I'm going to try to pick one up at
> my local parts store today. If that fails, I'll be in touch about
> yours. I'm on the verge of first engine start and am anxious to get the
> cooling system finished.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Southern Reflections wrote:
>> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> I've got one you want it ? I don't know what it's worth... Joe N101HD
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Steer" <steerr@bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Zenith_list" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Radiator hose for Stratus
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does anybody happen to know either the hose number or the car it came
>>> from for the radiator hose supplied by Zenith in their FWF kit for
>>> Stratus Subaru? It's the 1" x 1 1/4" hose with about a 90-degree
>>> curve on one end and a z-shaped curve at the other.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? |
He was right and the ads were also right. A plane does not need to be certified
as a E-LSA or S-LSA to be legal for someone to fly under the rules for LSA. In
fact there are a lot more aircraft that can be legally flown by an LSA pilot
than there are E-LSA and S-LSA aircraft.
There are two very seperate parts of the rules that make up what we all call the
LSA rules. The first is about pilots, the second about aircraft.
If you during the registration process screw up and say your 601XL has a max gross
weight of 1400 lbs. or cruises faster than 120 knots it will NEVER be legal
to be flown by someone operating under the LSA rules.
mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.CO wrote:
> I read, "the 601XL is not available as an approved E-LSA kit and as far
as I know, neither AMD nor
> Zenith plan take that step." This was from a statement by a Brian. If this
is true, why do all the websites insist that this is an lsa compatible plane?
I just want to make sure since I am building a 601xl with jab or Rotax.
> I am guessing that the paperwork for the two types, e-lsa and e-ab are
different. A little clarification please?
>
> Don
> N601NV- Reserved
> 601xl- First wing complete
> Laredo, Tx
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129637#129637
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
I talked with the folks at EAA a couple of weeks ago and it is true you
can hire an instructor to teach you to fly or to become current (You
must be the builder) but no one else, and that does not expire. The EAA
site list over 600 instructors for a Sport Pilot Rating listed by state,
it also has a column beside their name indicating whether they are
willing to teach in an experimental aircraft. I have already spoke to a
couple of them and they were reasonably priced at $40.00 per hour. In
regards to your other question, I don't know the answer for sure but I
thought I read somewhere you can get transitional training only.
Clyde Barcus
601XL, Nashville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Merritt
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Renting an experimental aircraft
Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education.
You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read
the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license,
even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal
experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the
reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
We can't just say experimental anymore because of the whole E-LSA/E-AB thing. Well
we never really could because there are lots of different experimental subclasses.
As far as E-LSA they can be rented now until what ever that magic date is. Once
that date comes you would have to get a waiver to rent it.
As for E-AB there is nothing in the rules to stop you from training in your own
aircraft. Most of the E-AB helicopter industry is based on the ability to fly
their kits after you solo but before you take the check ride.
If I'm wrong somebody tell me because I've already lined up an instructor to give
me my IFR training in my 601XL after it's built and the hours are flown off.
And be specific because neither he or I could find anything in the rules to
say we couldn't.
mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.CO wrote:
> Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You can't rent
an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs, I can't
even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't charge him
rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my license but that
expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
> Don
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
I forgot the website for the EAA list of instructors for Sport Pilot
training, it is: http://www.sportpilot.org/instructors/
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Nashville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Merritt
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Renting an experimental aircraft
Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education.
You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read
the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license,
even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal
experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the
reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
There is a system put in place by the FAA and run by the EAA that lets the
owner of an EAB rent their plane for compensation specifically for the
purpose of transition training.
The exemption can not be used for primary training.
Lots of info on the EAA's website ( you must be a member to access ) :
http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/exemptions/training_faq.asp
On 8/17/07, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> We can't just say experimental anymore because of the whole E-LSA/E-AB
> thing. Well we never really could because there are lots of different
> experimental subclasses.
>
> As far as E-LSA they can be rented now until what ever that magic date is.
> Once that date comes you would have to get a waiver to rent it.
>
> As for E-AB there is nothing in the rules to stop you from training in
> your own aircraft. Most of the E-AB helicopter industry is based on the
> ability to fly their kits after you solo but before you take the check ride.
>
> If I'm wrong somebody tell me because I've already lined up an instructor
> to give me my IFR training in my 601XL after it's built and the hours are
> flown off. And be specific because neither he or I could find anything in
> the rules to say we couldn't.
>
>
> mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.CO wrote:
> > Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You
> can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs,
> I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't
> charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my
> license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am
> wrong.
> > Don
> >
>
>
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
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| Subject: | Renting an experimental aircraft |
Don,
That's silly.... you absolutely may lend your friend your ex-ab plane to get
his/her training in.... Under a special EAA exemption, you may also rent
your experimental plane for the express purpose of transition training (as
mentioned in a previous post).
In your parallel post, your are also a bit confused on the LSA regs... Not
surprising since they are a bit confusing. They will be "slightly" less
confusing at the end January.....
Up till then you MAY register your 601 as an E-LSA under the
"grandfathering" regulations, although the true intent of that regulation
was to register 2-seat and otherwise "FAT" Ultralights that could not meet
the AB regs. The original language even includes the words
"ultralight-Like", but I suppose that would be too hard to enforce.
After January, the only newly registered E-LSA's will come from
manufacturers who choose to offer the planes that way and/or owners who
choose to "downgrade" their S-LSA's.
Just to confuse you some more, no matter how your 601 is
registered/airworthied, it WILLbe an LSA.
-Bruce Johnson
Plans-Building Sonex #593 near San Antonio, TX
Left Wing and Tail Feathers - DONE; Working on right wing.
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Renting an experimental aircraft
Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You
can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs,
I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't
charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my
license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am
wrong.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Register as E-LSA? |
It doesn't matter what kind of certification the airplane has. As
long as the airplane falls within the performance and gross weight
limitations of the LSA rule and has done so since its initial
certification, it can legally be flown by a sport pilot. The 601XL
falls within the limitations of LSA as do many older aircraft with
standard airworthiness certificates.
On Aug 17, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Don Merritt wrote:
> I read, "the 601XL is not available as an approved E-
> LSA kit and as far as I know, neither AMD nor
> Zenith plan take that step." This was from a statement by a
> Brian. If this is true, why do all the websites insist that this is
> an lsa compatible plane? I just want to make sure since I am
> building a 601xl with jab or Rotax.
> I am guessing that the paperwork for the two types, e-lsa and
> e-ab are different. A little clarification please?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
As far as I know, you can recieve flight instruction in ANY properly
certificated aircraft that you own regardless of what kind of
certification it holds. As long as you can find an instructor willing
to instruct in that airplane. There are restrictions on renting some
types of aircraft but that's a seperate issue.
The 2010 deadline is for giving flight instruction for hire in an E-
LSA owned by the flight instructor. After the deadline, a flight
instructor can no longer get paid to give flight instruction in his E-
LSA and can no longer rent out an E-LSA to his students.
On Aug 17, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Don Merritt wrote:
> Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and
> education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the
> way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane
> to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can
> use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires
> 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
> Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Riveting to nylon? |
Just asking for opinions - When riveting 1/8" nylon to the aluminum
structure, is it better put the shop head on the metal side or on the
nylon side? If it weren't for the "head forming" puller, I would always
put the head on the nylon side. Perhaps best to use other rivets? or to
countersink the nylon and pull it with a flat-head puller?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
I think there is one instance where you can rent an E-AB. You must
apply to the FAA and be very specific, but you can rent for
transition training to someone who is building a plane like yours.
You can't rent for primary train, to advance a rating or anything
else, only transition training. I'm assuming that for something
like a ch601, the FAA wouldn't allow it since the same plane can be
rented as an SLSA.
The 2010 date is for ELSA, a completely different beast from an E-
AB. Ron Wanttaja's book "Kit Airplane Construction" has an excellent
explanation of the the different categories of Experimentals. Look
in the library or your local Boarders.
Ron
On Aug 17, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Don Merritt wrote:
> Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and
> education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the
> way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane
> to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can
> use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires
> 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
> Don
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting to nylon? |
I put the shop head against metal
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting to nylon? |
You could also put a washer on the rivet before you pull it.
In a message dated 8/17/2007 9:09:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.s.elliott@cox.net writes:
Just asking for opinions - When riveting 1/8" nylon to the aluminum
structure, is it better put the shop head on the metal side or on the nylon side?
If
it weren't for the "head forming" puller, I would always put the head on the
nylon side. Perhaps best to use other rivets? or to countersink the nylon
and pull it with a flat-head puller?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting to nylon? |
Second the opinion of using a washer, also you
probably need to drill the hole in the nylon a little
oversize, so the expansion of the shank of the rivit
does not split the nylon.
Terry
--- "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott@cox.net> wrote:
> Just asking for opinions - When riveting 1/8" nylon
> to the aluminum structure, is it better put the shop
> head on the metal side or on the nylon side? If it
> weren't for the "head forming" puller, I would
> always put the head on the nylon side. Perhaps best
> to use other rivets? or to countersink the nylon and
> pull it with a flat-head puller?
>
> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
> N601GE (reserved)
> 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting to nylon? |
Hi Andy,
I have used A5 rivets with the nylon fairleads without regard to the
direction of the rivets, and they seem to work just fine. I choose
the direction of the rivet by the location of the part rather than
the type of material.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 06:06 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote:
>Just asking for opinions - When riveting 1/8" nylon to the aluminum
>structure, is it better put the shop head on the metal side or on
>the nylon side? If it weren't for the "head forming" puller, I
>would always put the head on the nylon side. Perhaps best to use
>other rivets? or to countersink the nylon and pull it with a flat-head puller?
>
>Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
>N601GE (reserved)
>601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
>
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