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1. 03:00 AM - Re: Polishing 6061: print shadow? (David Downey)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Polishing 6061: print shadow? (George Race)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: Polishing 6061: print ghost? (DaveG601XL)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: 601 XL layout sheets question (ZodieRocket)
5. 05:39 AM - Canopy Flashing (GLJSOJ1)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: 601 XL layout sheets question (lwinger)
7. 07:12 AM - Re: Sc (Bryan Martin)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: Canopy Flashing ()
9. 07:25 AM - Re: Polishing 6061: print ghost? (messydeer)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: Canopy Flashing (Juan Vega)
11. 07:41 AM - Re: Panel equipment (Juan Vega)
12. 07:52 AM - Re: Canopy Flashing (LarryMcFarland)
13. 08:33 AM - Re: Canopy flashing (Jeff Small)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: Canopy Flashing (Juan Vega)
15. 11:57 AM - 701 Elevator Authority (JG)
16. 12:33 PM - Re: Canopy Flashing (Gig Giacona)
17. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Flashing (Juan Vega)
18. 02:24 PM - Jabiru Engine Seminar (Pete Krotje)
19. 02:38 PM - weight & balance with one scale? (Randy L. Thwing)
20. 02:49 PM - Re: weight & balance with one scale? ()
21. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Flashing (LarryMcFarland)
22. 03:03 PM - Re: weight & balance with one scale? (JG)
23. 03:07 PM - Re: weight & balance with one scale? (LarryMcFarland)
24. 03:31 PM - Re: 601 XL layout sheets question (Jugle)
25. 04:20 PM - Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (leinad)
26. 04:27 PM - Re: weight & balance with one scale? (leinad)
27. 04:31 PM - Do you really need a fuel pump on a 701 (George Race)
28. 04:32 PM - Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (leinad)
29. 04:45 PM - Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (PatrickW)
30. 04:46 PM - Re: weight & balance with one scale? (Phil Maxson)
31. 05:05 PM - Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (leinad)
32. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (Juan Vega)
33. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Flashing (Juan Vega)
34. 05:20 PM - Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (George Race)
35. 05:33 PM - Battery question (Dan)
36. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (Skip Perry)
37. 06:17 PM - Re: Battery question (Juan Vega)
38. 06:24 PM - Re: Canopy flashing (Ron Lendon)
39. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (Robin Bellach)
40. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Canopy flashing (wade jones)
41. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes (Rob St Denis)
42. 07:28 PM - Another 701 (LRM)
43. 07:49 PM - Re: Battery question (NYTerminat@aol.com)
44. 08:18 PM - Re: Another 701 (ZodieRocket)
45. 08:40 PM - Re: Increase in gross weight for old 701 (ZodieRocket)
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| Subject: | Re: Polishing 6061: print shadow? |
The mill marks are printed with an easily dissolved ink - acetone or MEK will remove
it. After removal there will be a very faint image but it should disappear
if polished. What about putting the "water stained" surface out? I will still
polish up and that way it will allow you to keep track on possible corrosion
if it is more than staining...
Hey!
I have some water stained aluminum on one side of a sheet and the other side looks
just fine. I know the stain is just cosmetic and will scotchbrite it a fair
amount before using it. The unblemished side happens to be the same side as
the mill printing. Will this mill printing come out completely during the polishing
proceedure, or will there be a feint shadow? If it will come out nicely,
then I will put it on the outside and polish it.
Thanks,
Dan
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Polishing 6061: print shadow? |
I have had very good results removing the factory printing on 6061.
I do two things. First I use denatured alcohol to remove all of the
printing ink. Next I use "Orange Glo" cleaner to remove any remaining
stain. What I then see is that the "shine" where the ink was is brighter
than the surrounding area. This I think is what you are calling a print
shadow. A quick touch up with a scotch bright fine pad quickly makes the
area all look alike.
Incidentally, the "Orange Glo" cleaner is petroleum based, and it does leave
a slightly oily residue on the skin. Actually makes it look quite nice.
Proper cleaning before painting will be necessary, as should always be done
anyway.
The "Orange Glo" cleaner also works great at removing those hand and finger
prints from the skin, where you have placed your sweaty palm or fingers. It
usually shows up as a dull, slightly white area, after a few days or so.
Hope this helps.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Polishing 6061: print ghost? |
Dan,
I started polishing my 601 a feew weeks ago and the printing comes off easily with
either alcohol or mineral spirits. Sometimes I have still seen a little bit
of ghost of the print but it polished away easily.
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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| Subject: | 601 XL layout sheets question |
Glenn, the layouts are a helpful item in saving waste, however you will
need to print them off and reference each part to the plans in order to
make sure that they are up to date and correct. The 601XL has changed a
lot over the years to harmonize the kit with the SLSA model. Both planes
are now constructed the same.
Print off the sheets, go through the plans and ensure that each part is
listed in it's proper area and sheet. Other builders have spent the time
to provide the layout for you, however as in everything it is your
responsibility as a plans builder to go through your plans and ensure
your list and layout are correct.
As for the colour coding on the sheet layout, I never tried to
understand it. It wasn't important when I double checked with my plans.
Though I was already passed the state of needing the layout.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jugle
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:33 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL layout sheets question
Please tell if I'm missing something, but the PDF layout sheets
available at http://ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm have me a little
confused.
On each sheet there is a small table titled "Colour Code". It appears to
list the material thicknesses, then in the next column is a list of
colours. I don't understand how this relates to the layout sheets, as
each sheet has a thickness stated at the top of the page. Can someone
please clarify?
Thanks, Glenn
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8/19/2007 7:27 AM
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
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HI THERE,
JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND FIRST, I AM KIT BUILDING A 601XL, STARTED IN 2002 AND
AM PRESENTLY DEALING WITH THE CANOPY. PLANS SAY TO RIVET THE FLASHING ON THE
INSIDE, BUT WITH THE CABLES INSIDE OF THESE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE SCREWS?
I HAVE ALREADY DRILLED MINE FOR AN4 RIVETS SO WHAT SIZE SCREWS TO USE?
THANKS
GLENN
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL layout sheets question |
You're right. The legend is confusing. All the information on thickness that
you need is at the top of each sheet. However, they also chose to color code
the thickness by using a different color for the outline of each aluminum sheet
and piece.
Additionally, they wanted to indicate where the parts would be used. The first
four colors correspond to parts of the plan set. T = Tail, B = Body, W = Wings
and C = Canopy. That information is provided by the color used to label each
part.
Soooo, if you are on page 5 which is 0.040 thick, the color used to outline the
sheet and each part is green. Inside each part, the color varies based on location
of the part. So, the long parts at the bottom (wing spar webs) are outlined
in green to show thickness and the labels are written in magenta to indicate
they are for the wings.
Hope that helps. I had the same confusion.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wing spars complete
Finishing misc wing parts
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Unless you plan to bend your own longerons out of sheet aluminum, the
longest bends you will need to make are across the width of the
fuselage. So you should be able to get by with a four foot brake. The
four rear longerons are made of .040 aluminum and are about eight
feet long but you can save yourself the effort of building an eight
foot brake by farming out these parts to a local shop or by buying
them from Zenith. Some people have even used 1/8" extruded angles for
these longerons, this adds a little bit of weight though.
On Aug 20, 2007, at 12:45 AM, Alan Lovchik wrote:
>
> Fellow builders,
> I recently purchased a completed 601XL tail kit and wing kit that
> has been started from a local builder who gave up his project due
> to divorce. After these parts are done, I plan on finishing the
> fuselage by scratch building it, but was not sure what the longest
> bend I would have to fabricate with a brake on the fuse section?
> Wasn't sure if I needed to build one of those 8 ft brakes or not?
>
> Alan
> 601XL w/Corvair?
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
Just add access hatches over the cable end adjustment devices. That should suffice.
Dred
---- GLJSOJ1 <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> HI THERE,
> JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND FIRST, I AM KIT BUILDING A 601XL, STARTED IN 2002 AND
AM PRESENTLY DEALING WITH THE CANOPY. PLANS SAY TO RIVET THE FLASHING ON THE
INSIDE, BUT WITH THE CABLES INSIDE OF THESE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE SCREWS?
I HAVE ALREADY DRILLED MINE FOR AN4 RIVETS SO WHAT SIZE SCREWS TO USE?
>
> THANKS
> GLENN
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129930#129930
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| Subject: | Re: Polishing 6061: print ghost? |
Thanks, Dave :D
Yeah, it seems to me that the printing has come off before on earlier parts like
you said. I did remember seeing a ghost at one point, but any of those pieces
are all primed over now. It's nice to know the polishing removes it.
Take care,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
just rivet it. it is quicker to tap rivets out than unscrew the thirty or so holes.
you will hradly access it.
-----Original Message-----
>From: dredmoody@cox.net
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 10:15 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Flashing
>
>
>Just add access hatches over the cable end adjustment devices. That should suffice.
>
>Dred
>
>---- GLJSOJ1 <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> HI THERE,
>> JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND FIRST, I AM KIT BUILDING A 601XL, STARTED IN 2002 AND
AM PRESENTLY DEALING WITH THE CANOPY. PLANS SAY TO RIVET THE FLASHING ON THE
INSIDE, BUT WITH THE CABLES INSIDE OF THESE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE
SCREWS? I HAVE ALREADY DRILLED MINE FOR AN4 RIVETS SO WHAT SIZE SCREWS TO USE?
>>
>> THANKS
>> GLENN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129930#129930
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| Subject: | Re: Panel equipment |
no I did not paint it myself, I am not smart or skilled enough for that, I would
end up with more between my teeth than on the plane. the paint job was froma
car painter in plant city. The powder coating is from Sarasota avionics,
and other part powder coated from American Powder coating in Tampa.
Another source I will begin using is my Father's FAA repair station in OpaLocka.
We just bought the business together and it has a great powder coating equipment.
We will be doing poweder caoting and TIG and MIG welds, plasma coatings etc...
for small planes as well, for a charge, plus shipping.
for more info, Goggle Britt Metals,Inc.
I live in St. Petersburg FLA and the plane will be at Albert WHitted airport.
Great cushion guy if anyone neds one.
Respectfully chomping at the bit to fly,
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Smith <sasmithmd@verizon.net>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2007 2:24 PM
>To: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Panel equipment
>
>Hey Juan, thanks for the info! Great looking panel and plane! Did you
>do the paint job yourself, too? What paint system did you use? It
>looks great!!! Where do you fly out of?
>
>cheers,
>steve
>
>Juan Vega wrote:
>> >From left is Ipod connection to listen to tunes. then you have a Master switch
next to a 40 amp Alt FUse. DYnon D 100, below is the sitches for avionics,
lights etc. next going right is the Becker Radio on Top, with transponder below.
to the right is the GPS connected to the Dynon 100. below is the throttle
aileron and elev trim, choke and carb heat. No mixture since it is a Bing altitude
compensating Carb. next right is the Dynon 120 EMS for all enstrunent
functions. DYnon 100 and 120 flip flop as well. Below is the fuses for all instruments.
Lastly is a cig lighter adaptor for accessories as well as behin
the pilot.
>> Jacks are behind pilot and copilot, alond with alternator blow seat and fire
extingisher behind copilot.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Steve Smith <sasmithmd@verizon.net>
>>> Sent: Aug 16, 2007 7:31 AM
>>> To: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Panel equipment
>>>
>>> Hello Juan,
>>> Great looking panel! I've been lurking this builders site for years
>>> trying to figure out what to build; when I retire in a year or two, I'll
>>> get to it in earnest! Can you please describe, from left to right, the
>>> equipment in your panel for me? I'm curious as to the various
>>> components, as I'm still used to flying the regular six-pack arrangement.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance,
>>> steve
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
Hi Glenn,
Good question, and if I were using screws, I'd use AN526 machine screws
6-32 thread. A screw like that used on the canopy tubes is probably not
a good idea as
they have the material thickness and washers etc supporting them. I'd
personally be inclined to keep the AN4 rivets and forget the screws.
The rivets you'd normally use will hold bows and frames better and the
cables you install will likely never need adjustment, but drilling out a
couple dozen rivets is probably no more effort than trying to tap and
align and install screws. The bows rely on the security of these rivets
in flight and I wouldn't be comfortable with screws for that.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/insideangle.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopyframefwd.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/latchlockslot.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
GLJSOJ1 wrote:
>
> HI THERE,
> JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND FIRST, I AM KIT BUILDING A 601XL, STARTED IN 2002 AND
AM PRESENTLY DEALING WITH THE CANOPY. PLANS SAY TO RIVET THE FLASHING ON THE
INSIDE, BUT WITH THE CABLES INSIDE OF THESE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE SCREWS?
I HAVE ALREADY DRILLED MINE FOR AN4 RIVETS SO WHAT SIZE SCREWS TO USE?
>
> THANKS
> GLENN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy flashing |
The ball peen hammer process can be done neatly, but you have to place
the unseen side of the flashing up and the exposed side
against a smooth block of steel. Cold rolled steel is usually very
smooth.
+++ Larry is correct, just takes practice. If you can beg/borrow/buy a
small hand planishing hammer (check Brown or Avery) to replace the
ball-peen hammer, you will find many uses for it where you want to
massage a piece into a mild curvature.
+++ If you have a table saw the cast iron top is ideal for this work as
it is smooth, of good size, and usually at a comfortable working level.
Much of the sheet metal shaping on my a/c was done with a large spoon
(about 60 mm by 90 mm) liberated from the kitchen and the top of the old
Craftsman table saw. After four years the wife finally noticed it was
missing.
+++ As always, practice, start slowly.
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
as allways, i look at larry's work and marvel at the quality of it. SOme day when
I grow up....
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 10:51 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Flashing
>
>
>Hi Glenn,
>Good question, and if I were using screws, I'd use AN526 machine screws
>6-32 thread. A screw like that used on the canopy tubes is probably not
>a good idea as
>they have the material thickness and washers etc supporting them. I'd
>personally be inclined to keep the AN4 rivets and forget the screws.
>The rivets you'd normally use will hold bows and frames better and the
>cables you install will likely never need adjustment, but drilling out a
>couple dozen rivets is probably no more effort than trying to tap and
>align and install screws. The bows rely on the security of these rivets
>in flight and I wouldn't be comfortable with screws for that.
>
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/insideangle.gif
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopyframefwd.gif
>http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/latchlockslot.gif
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>GLJSOJ1 wrote:
>>
>> HI THERE,
>> JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND FIRST, I AM KIT BUILDING A 601XL, STARTED IN 2002 AND
AM PRESENTLY DEALING WITH THE CANOPY. PLANS SAY TO RIVET THE FLASHING ON THE
INSIDE, BUT WITH THE CABLES INSIDE OF THESE, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO USE
SCREWS? I HAVE ALREADY DRILLED MINE FOR AN4 RIVETS SO WHAT SIZE SCREWS TO USE?
>>
>> THANKS
>> GLENN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Elevator Authority |
Here's a new way to improve elevator authority on the 701.
http://www.stolspeed.com/content.php?id=44
Tailwinds always,
JG
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
He does good work. If I did it that way I'd probably have to drive my flying car
to the airport for my 601's first flight.
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> as allways, i look at larry's work and marvel at the quality of it. SOme day
when I grow up....
>
> Juan
>
> --
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
a thought on that. I am building in a complex that has 4 other builders building
601s. We get people passing by all the time looking to jmp into a zenith project.
Some building, do the "just Git' er dun", some stick to the principal
"its done when its done". Its amazing to see the outcomes on each. When people
ask me how long it takes, I have found the best answer in kit building is "the
published times acording to the adds is 400 hours. However at the 99% complete
stage, you could easily add another 400 hours. Its the final 1% effort
that makes all the difference."
I guess that is the case with any work in life.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 3:32 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy Flashing
>
>
>He does good work. If I did it that way I'd probably have to drive my flying car
to the airport for my 601's first flight.
>
>
>amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
>> as allways, i look at larry's work and marvel at the quality of it. SOme day
when I grow up....
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Jabiru USA will again be holding one of our popular Engine Installation,
Maintenance, and Rebuild Seminars on October 12th thru Oct 14th. Class
limited to 10 students. Visit www.usjabiru.com for details.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
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| Subject: | weight & balance with one scale? |
This is probably a Rookie question and is only for discussion as I have
access to three scales, but if one wanted, could you correctly weigh an
airplane with just one scale if you put scale height blocks under the
other wheels as you moved the scale from wheel to wheel? First glance
is that it would weigh correctly as long as the other wheels are at the
constant height. Not very convenient though.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance with one scale? |
As far as I know, Randy, you are correct.
Dred
---- "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
could you correctly weigh an airplane with just one scale if you put scale height
blocks under the other wheels as you moved the scale from wheel to wheel?
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
Hi Juan,
> I appreciate the compliments but you give me too much credit. A scratch builder
has the prerogative to ditch the bad pieces over and over again until the
job is done right. I think for every three pieces that went into the 601 there
were at least 1 or 2 that ended up as scrap. The wife would say we have $50K
in the bird and I can only account for $35K plus a lot of work. Anyway, the
best project I ever have been involved in was this design by CH. You have to
give him the credit for providing a super product that really motivates so many
builders.
>
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
> amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
>
>> as allways, i look at larry's work and marvel at the quality of it. SOme day
when I grow up....
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance with one scale? |
Yes, definitely can use just one scale, but don't just lift the aircraft
to change from block to scale - the landing gear will flex and put a
side load on the scale as the weight comes on it. Just need more
blocks so that you can roll the aircraft on and off the scale.
Tailwinds always,
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: weight & balance with one scale?
This is probably a Rookie question and is only for discussion as I
have access to three scales, but if one wanted, could you correctly
weigh an airplane with just one scale if you put scale height blocks
under the other wheels as you moved the scale from wheel to wheel?
First glance is that it would weigh correctly as long as the other
wheels are at the constant height. Not very convenient though.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance with one scale? |
Randy,
You'd be better to have 4 scales and rotate one out with each wheel to
check the accuracy of each as you go. I found four 300 lb scales at
$9.00 each
on sale and then made a lever-lift that picks up each wheel with little
effort as scales are slid under and out. You need a 1/4 inch thick 6 x
6 of aluminum to spread the
weight on each scale, but it works and is convenient. Takes about 15
minutes to do a W & B. The back link drops out for removal.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/winghandling/full/scaleinsert.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/winghandling/full/scaleplaced.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/tjh/winghandling/full/scalew&b.gif
.good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Randy L. Thwing wrote:
> This is probably a Rookie question and is only for discussion as I
> have access to three scales, but if one wanted, could you correctly
> weigh an airplane with just one scale if you put scale height blocks
> under the other wheels as you moved the scale from wheel to wheel?
> First glance is that it would weigh correctly as long as the other
> wheels are at the constant height. Not very convenient though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL layout sheets question |
Thanks Mark and Larry,
My main concern is to compile quantites so I can start ordering some sheets. I
thought those guides would assist in getting total number of each thickness required...
which they will, but I have been going through the plans working it
out anyway.
Thanks again,
Glenn.
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601XL- just started.
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
last minute reminder.
do not archive
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Zenith Builders,
> Chat will begin at 8:00 EST.. Hope to see ya there!
> http://chat.iahu.ca/
> Dan Dempsey
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance with one scale? |
One small detail worth mentioning. If you are also determining ballance, the plane
ought to be in the horizontal flight attitude with the top longeron level
when weighing. Then you can calculate the moments to the datum with no problem.
Dan Dempsey[/quote]
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| Subject: | Do you really need a fuel pump on a 701 |
Is there any reason to consider adding an electric fuel pump to a 701?
With high wing tanks, and the on board mechanical pump on the Jabiru 2200A,
it would seem to be unnecessary.
Your comments and suggestion appreciated.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
Anyone else having problems accessing the chat room? I'm getting a permission
denied error.
Dan Dempsey
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
Say's Forbidden.
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| Subject: | weight & balance with one scale? |
That's how I did mine.
Do Not ArchivePhil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
From: n4546v@mindspring.comSubject: Zenith-List: weight & balance with one
scale?Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:37:27 -0700
This is probably a Rookie question and is only for discussion as I have acc
ess to three scales, but if one wanted, could you correctly weigh an airpla
ne with just one scale if you put scale height blocks under the other wheel
s as you moved the scale from wheel to wheel? First glance is that it woul
d weigh correctly as long as the other wheels are at the constant height.
Not very convenient though.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
I guess we'll have to can it this week unless someone can suggest an alternative
forum.
ideas?
Dan Dempsey
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
tryed to go on the forum and said i was forbidden, anyone else get snubbed?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: leinad <leinad@hughes.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 8:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes
>
>
>I guess we'll have to can it this week unless someone can suggest an alternative
forum.
>ideas?
>Dan Dempsey
>do not archive
>
>--------
>Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130040#130040
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Flashing |
i second that. some days I could have tossed the entire project in the trash I
was so pissed at a botched part, other days I thought I was the man with the plan
with every thing going great, its been fun.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 5:53 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy Flashing
>
>
>
>Hi Juan,
>> I appreciate the compliments but you give me too much credit. A scratch builder
has the prerogative to ditch the bad pieces over and over again until the
job is done right. I think for every three pieces that went into the 601 there
were at least 1 or 2 that ended up as scrap. The wife would say we have $50K
in the bird and I can only account for $35K plus a lot of work. Anyway, the
best project I ever have been involved in was this design by CH. You have to
give him the credit for providing a super product that really motivates so many
builders.
>>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>do not archive
>> amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
>>
>>> as allways, i look at larry's work and marvel at the quality of it. SOme day
when I grow up....
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
Every time I try to get on it says:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /deluser.php on this server.
Apache Server at chat.iahu.ca Port 80
Maybe next week,
George CH701
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| Subject: | Battery question |
I am installing my battery this week and have a dumb question. Since I
have a gel battery with no vent, do I need to install the battery box vents?
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
Yep, I was just told the same thing!
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes
tryed to go on the forum and said i was forbidden, anyone else get snubbed?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: leinad <leinad@hughes.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 8:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes
>
>
>I guess we'll have to can it this week unless someone can suggest an
alternative forum.
>ideas?
>Dan Dempsey
>do not archive
>
>--------
>Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130040#130040
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery question |
nope, its s sealed battery.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 8:33 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Battery question
>
>
>I am installing my battery this week and have a dumb question. Since I
>have a gel battery with no vent, do I need to install the battery box vents?
>
>Dan Wilde
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy flashing |
Wade,
I would use a finishing hammer or dress the ballpeen to a polished soft spot surface.
What I mean by soft spot is the amount of crown on the hammer face, think
very large radius.
Below are some pictures of the handiest tool I have. It is a 1" X 4" x 8" tool
welded to a 1" x 4" post that clamps in the vice. The left end has a snout
shape and a sharp radius along the back edge. The front edge has a .125 radius
and a 7/8" hole and radiused corner on the right front. It is hardened and
it is used often because it is flat and tough.
I used it and a soft spot hammer to stretch some angle for the "Frame bottom edge
of wing tip", no marks on the side against the wing skin.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
DITTO!
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes
>
> last minute reminder.
> do not archive
>
>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Zenith Builders,
>> Chat will begin at 8:00 EST.. Hope to see ya there!
>> http://chat.iahu.ca/
>> Dan Dempsey
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130032#130032
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy flashing |
I would like to thank all that replied to my canopy flashing post .I used
all the advise that was sent .I finished welding the canopy frame today
,then tried my hand with the flashing .The flashing came out OK with a few
ding marks ,not too bad though .DO NOT ARCHIVE
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy flashing
>
> Wade,
>
> I would use a finishing hammer or dress the ballpeen to a polished soft
> spot surface. What I mean by soft spot is the amount of crown on the
> hammer face, think very large radius.
>
> Below are some pictures of the handiest tool I have. It is a 1" X 4" x 8"
> tool welded to a 1" x 4" post that clamps in the vice. The left end has a
> snout shape and a sharp radius along the back edge. The front edge has a
> .125 radius and a 7/8" hole and radiused corner on the right front. It is
> hardened and it is used often because it is flat and tough.
>
> I used it and a soft spot hammer to stretch some angle for the "Frame
> bottom edge of wing tip", no marks on the side against the wing skin.
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130057#130057
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chat to start in a few minutes |
Ya sorry guys had a bit of a meltdown and working my butt off to get
things rolling
On 8/20/07, Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
>
> DITTO!
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> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:19 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Chat to start in a few minutes
>
>
> >
> > last minute reminder.
> > do not archive
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> >>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Zenith Builders,
> >> Chat will begin at 8:00 EST.. Hope to see ya there!
> >> http://chat.iahu.ca/
> >> Dan Dempsey
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
> >
> >
> >
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I needed a new project so I just bought a part of an unfinished 701 kit
consisting of the tail and wings. I am going to build the entire plane
strictly for sale upon completion. I will need a few things, like
fuselage parts, instruments, engine, prop, landing gear, etc. Any of
you know of any bargains, e-mail me @ lrm@skyhawg.com.
This is going to be a plain Jane quality build. Nothing fancy, except
it will definitely have sliding seats. I have no idea of what I am
going to ask, but it will be reasonable. So if any one thinks they
might be interested in about 6 or 7 months, e-mail me and I will put you
on the list. When it's done and ready for the DAR I will contact
everyone on the list. I plan on being done in the spring.
I will also start a new section on my site about the progress of this
new project. Check it at your convenience and thank you.
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: Battery question |
In a message dated 8/20/2007 8:35:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dwilde@clearwire.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
I am installing my battery this week and have a dumb question. Since I
have a gel battery with no vent, do I need to install the battery box vents?
Dan Wilde
No.
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Larry, if you have taken on a new 701 that must mean that your Skyhawg
is flying. I must have missed the announcement, I try to watch this list
closely, but from time to time I just get to busy. Especially with
Arlington, Oshkosh , UPAC convention and building a 601QBK for a
customer, I have hardly had time to watch this list for recient events.
So how is the Harley working on your plane? Do you have some #=92s to
share yet? I am curious on how you like those Pegastol wings now that
your in the air and have tried them out on a 701, can you report on
their value with actual data now, or is it still too early in the
testing phase?
You have put a lot of time into your 701, I have been watching your
progress ever since you had the Sub 2.5 L in it. Congrats on completion
and the fortitude to start another project so soon. It lends a lot of
credibility to a builder working on their second plane while flying
their first plane.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Another 701
I needed a new project so I just bought a part of an unfinished 701 kit
consisting of the tail and wings. I am going to build the entire plane
strictly for sale upon completion. I will need a few things, like
fuselage parts, instruments, engine, prop, landing gear, etc. Any of
you know of any bargains, e-mail me @ HYPERLINK
"mailto:lrm@skyhawg.com"lrm@skyhawg.com.
This is going to be a plain Jane quality build. Nothing fancy, except
it will definitely have sliding seats. I have no idea of what I am
going to ask, but it will be reasonable. So if any one thinks they
might be interested in about 6 or 7 months, e-mail me and I will put you
on the list. When it's done and ready for the DAR I will contact
everyone on the list. I plan on being done in the spring.
I will also start a new section on my site about the progress of this
new project. Check it at your convenience and thank you.
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
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| Subject: | Increase in gross weight for old 701 |
Let me add more to this, I have just been working on a 14yr old 701 and
bringing portions of it up to today's standard. I will be lowering the G
rating to get it to register at 1100 lbs. Nevertheless, I have also been
updating all parts to the newest set of plans for peace of mind. Though
there is about 30 different changes for the present day 701SP I have
found about 10 parts in the tail alone that are now different
thicknesses, this required the complete disassembly of the horizontal
tail and elevator. None of these parts are part of the SP upgrade, they
are just changes over the years. I have also pulled the whole firewall
and changed every part, just to be in line with the new drawings. So if
your considering changing the gross, pull out your calipers and go over
most of your plane and see if you really want to change the gross. I
know I will not do this again, but alas, I am too far into it now to
stop, plus I don't give up very easily( wife say's stubborn, I just say
determined). Next on my list is to gut the whole fuselage behind the
seats and remove the metal cage in the cabin. These are part of the SP
update. I have already removed the header tank and panel. Next is the
wings and new spars with wing fuel tanks.
Next time I will build a kit and move the motor and panel over, it will
be a lot faster, and a hell of a lot cheaper if I was counting my time.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sherman
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Increase in gross weight for old 701
<msherman95632@yahoo.com>
Subject: early 701 to 1025 gross
From: Tom Flanagan (flanagan@nycap.rr.com)
What modifications are required to change an earlier model to the
higher gross , or can,t this be done if the plane is already N numbered
?
Tom.
You can change the gross weight to what ever you want. You will need to
change the load factor in your POH. I have the old kit and have made
most of the changes to the SP, but not all. What I have done is, using
Chris's calculations on the drawings, I will be using an 1100 lbs gross
weight with a load factor of +3.5 and -1.7. Rather than the +4 and -2.
This will give me the same load on the aircraft.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
8/19/2007 7:27 AM
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