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1. 04:51 AM - Re: FWF for 701 (Mike Hoffman)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: xxx Re: Re: 701 VG's - Put this puppy to rest (Bolding)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: VGs to Z.A.C. (Bolding)
4. 09:57 AM - 801 VOR (Keystone Engineering LLC)
5. 10:18 AM - VGs on 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC)
6. 11:10 AM - Re: 801 VOR (Joemotis@aol.com)
7. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Fuel System Design (Matt & Jo)
8. 02:40 PM - Re: Repairs to Plexiglass 701 Door (Tommy Walker)
9. 02:58 PM - electrical design (chris Sinfield)
10. 04:21 PM - Re: VGs to Z.A.C. (jetboy)
11. 04:31 PM - Re: electrical design (Jeff)
12. 10:42 PM - Re: somewhat off topic - Purchasing an incomplete homebuilt (txpilot)
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Hi Geoff,
I haven't ordered the engine yet. Cowl, mount, insturment package and prop come
with the FWF package from Zenith. I do have the interment panel laid out and
exp buss and Dynon mounted. I am waiting for the instrument package before I drill
any more holes and continue with my wiring.
Thanks for the information about the "BANJO bolt" oil return fitting. In the mean
time I disabled all major components and have started to paint them. I need
to finish the wiring so I can close up the cowl and get the fuse painted.
Thanks
Mike Hoffman
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| Subject: | Re: 701 VG's - Put this puppy to rest |
Matt,
The concept is called Capitalism, If you have something I want then I'll pay you
some money for what you have.You then take a portion of my money and go make
some more to sell to other people, works from hamburgers (simple, you could
even make these yourself, kinda petty of BurgerKing to charge us for them isn't
it?) to HumVee's(complex).You get to keep the balance to feed your family or
develop more stuff. Worked pretty good for over 200yrs.
I assume that you aren't just refering to John Gilpin and his VG's for homebuilts
but the folks that sell VG's for Cessna's and other certified aircraft as well.
THOSE are priced 10-20 TIMES what John is asking.
Back under my Rock,the Sun is coming up! John Bolding
>
> As a side point, I think it petty that these people should charge money for
such simple things as VGs. Why not just share the idea and give instructions
for other builders (ie in the spirit of the movement).
>
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| Subject: | Re: VGs to Z.A.C. |
John,
Respectfully, YOU have missed the fact that the slats ARE an add on that Mr. Heintz
used to increase the C/L (at high AOA) to the max value he could get from
the 65018 airfoil, which does NOT, in it's original form, have a slat. They do
a WONDERFUL job at the assigned task.
SOME think that VG's change the flying properties to something they like BETTER
than those of the slats.
Each one of us has "Experimental " written in big letters on the side of our airplanes.
It REALLY does mean something !!
Regards John
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
You and many others seem to completely miss the fact that
>the CH701 uses a slotted airfoil, the slats are not an add-on.
>John Read
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Mark
I mounted mine on the left wing behind the inboard fuel tank. It works
fine.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
325 hrs
>
> Mark:
> I mounted my VOR antenna on the top of the rudder and it works fine.
> Tom Faulkner
> N801TP
> 110 hrs
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I agree.
I have taken the VGs off my 801 and put the slats back on because it his
hunting season and I need the extra performance. I'm glad I have a
convertible airplane! The conversion takes about 20 minutes. It flys
different in each configuration but it flys fine in each configuration. A
Cessna flys different than an Maul which flys different than a Piper.
I must admit I did not get as much increase in speed as I initially
estimated but I am happy.
It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
325 hrs
To the beach after work.
Time: 09:46:32 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VGs on 701
From: "Avidmagnum" <classpix@sbcglobal.net>
I went flying a couple days ago with my 20,000+ hour CFI for by BFR. The
last BFR
we flew with the slats and he thought the aircraft flew OK as he put it.
With
the slats off he said it flew much nicer. The handling is just that much
better.
My 701 is on amphibious floats with a 912s. He had such a good time in
the 701 he said he hated to charge me!
The nice thing about Experimental Aircraft is just that....they are
experimental!
For those that love the slats...leave them alone! For those that are not
sure.....experiment....you
are only out a little on the price of the VG's. (The
ones for my Cessna 170A were $1450...one reason that I only own home builts
now!)
And you can remove the vg's and put the slats back on....no problem.
I love looking at JG's web site and enjoy our back and forth e-mails. He
seems
to love what he does! Please keep new ideas coming. I'll look and then "take
them
or leave them" In my case.... with my situation....I'd have sold my 701
and got a different float plane if the idea to remove the slats would not
have
been posted here. Thanks!!
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Hey Bill Wilcox,
Are you retired from L.A. County by chance?
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Design |
I used Stewart Systems water based paint. It takes a little getting used
to. But I really like it. This stuff is very durable and very safe. I
tried it on the interior to get the feel of it. I am glad I did. If you
order paint from them they will send you a video that shows how to do it.
They are really great to work with.
http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/
Good luck and happy building
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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From: "Danny Offill" <doffill@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel System Design
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> Matt what did you use to paint the inside of the fuselage with. It looks
> great.
>
> Danny
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| Subject: | Re: Repairs to Plexiglass 701 Door |
Thanks to the many listers who replied to my post about repairing my Pax door.
I tried Acetone and several other strong chemicals. None of them worked. I guess
the composition of the plexiglas is different now.
Finally I found a product that worked to "weld" the pieces together. It is called
Weld-On 16. It is a good product. I got it from McMaster-Carr.
http://www.mcmaster.com
Thanks for all the advice. Thanks to John Hoak for the suggestion to make a gusset
out of a piece of scrap to keep everything together. It appears to be working.
Thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | electrical design |
Hi
Just starting to design the electrical system for my aircraft, rather than reinvent
the wheel I will just modify a working wheel to suit my needs.
I will be having a Jab 3300, night VFR panel with Dynon D100 and analog engine
and fuel guages, Elec flaps, elec fuel pump and Nav strobe combo.
Any one have a similar set up?
I am going to buy the aero electric book as I am an A&P, not avionics.
What Z diagrams are others using Z 20 for a starting point?or what?
Thanks
Chris
Zodiac XL
Jab3300
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| Subject: | Re: VGs to Z.A.C. |
The 701 was designed to the safety and engineering standards of TP10141E and later
also qualified to BCAR-S and LSA in some specific configurations. In many
countries, the modifications as suggested disqualify the aircraft from operating
in a simple category and require a change to experimental category priveleges.
This may be up to individual choice however I do not expect ZAC to waste resources
on validating someone elses design changes. The suggestion of adding 18"
to the wingtips is simply alarming - and I understand ZAC already offer a bigger
701 called the patriot150 if thats what is wanted.
Like to know the response from ZAC particuarly the results of any testing they
may have already done, but for now I'm happy with my 701 operating as a microlight
aircraft versus having to register as experimental which requires LAME maintenance
and full PPL to operate.
Ralph
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| Subject: | electrical design |
Chris,
I am by no means an expert, but I have just (almost) completed a
similar electrical system. Some of the items that came up for me are:
1) Do you have the single or three phase Jabiru alternator?
2) Jabiru is happy with no battery contractor, are you?
3) If you are used to the Cessna master switch, it probably doesn't make
sense with the single phase alternator.
4) There is a way to keep all the live wires ahead of the firewall if you
want to, but it deviates from the Jabiru recommendations.
5) Over-voltage protection: there are pros and cons.
6) If you use an ammeter shunt, it may be hard to figure out where to place
it.
7) The "forest of tabs" grounding mechanism should be considered. Watch out
for where and when to ground any wire shielding.
8) The RAC trim systems are a mess to configure and install, but doable.
9) Decide on fuses vs. breakers and whether or not they have to be
accessible in flight.
10) Using an essential bus or not. See the AeroElectric Connection on this.
11) Connectors: they are all a little different. Crimp connectors are the
normal choice.
Well, that is a start! Discussion on lots of these is in the
AeroElectric and Jabiru (on Yahoo and Matronics) archives as well as this
list. And certainly go direct to Pete (TN) or Andy (FL) at Jabiru with
questions.
Jeff Davidson
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris Sinfield
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: electrical design
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Hi
Just starting to design the electrical system for my aircraft, rather than
reinvent the wheel I will just modify a working wheel to suit my needs.
I will be having a Jab 3300, night VFR panel with Dynon D100 and analog
engine and fuel guages, Elec flaps, elec fuel pump and Nav strobe combo.
Any one have a similar set up?
I am going to buy the aero electric book as I am an A&P, not avionics.
What Z diagrams are others using Z 20 for a starting point?or what?
Thanks
Chris
Zodiac XL
Jab3300
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| Subject: | Re: somewhat off topic - Purchasing an incomplete homebuilt |
Bob,
The following is from AC 20-27F, Section 7g:
(3) Buying an Aircraft Built From a Partially Completed Kit. If you buy an aircraft
built from a partially completed kit, you should get all fabrication and
assembly records, such as receipts for materials, the builders log, and aircraft,
engine, and propeller logbooks, from the previous owner. You
should add the construction efforts of the previous amateur builders to your builders
log to show the construction history of the kit. This information may help
us to determine that your aircraft is eligible for amateur-built certification.
This AC contains other information regarding the Repairman Certificate. Also,
you might want to check AC 65-23A regarding the Repairman Certificate. Hope this
helps.
Best Regards,
Dan Ginty
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