---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/25/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Re: FWF for 701 (Mike Hoffman) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: xxx Re: Re: 701 VG's - Put this puppy to rest (Bolding) 3. 06:47 AM - Re: VGs to Z.A.C. (Bolding) 4. 09:57 AM - 801 VOR (Keystone Engineering LLC) 5. 10:18 AM - VGs on 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC) 6. 11:10 AM - Re: 801 VOR (Joemotis@aol.com) 7. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Fuel System Design (Matt & Jo) 8. 02:40 PM - Re: Repairs to Plexiglass 701 Door (Tommy Walker) 9. 02:58 PM - electrical design (chris Sinfield) 10. 04:21 PM - Re: VGs to Z.A.C. (jetboy) 11. 04:31 PM - Re: electrical design (Jeff) 12. 10:42 PM - Re: somewhat off topic - Purchasing an incomplete homebuilt (txpilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:21 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FWF for 701 From: "Mike Hoffman" Hi Geoff, I haven't ordered the engine yet. Cowl, mount, insturment package and prop come with the FWF package from Zenith. I do have the interment panel laid out and exp buss and Dynon mounted. I am waiting for the instrument package before I drill any more holes and continue with my wiring. Thanks for the information about the "BANJO bolt" oil return fitting. In the mean time I disabled all major components and have started to paint them. I need to finish the wiring so I can close up the cowl and get the fuse painted. Thanks Mike Hoffman Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130943#130943 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:00 AM PST US From: "Bolding" Subject: Re: xxx Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 VG's - Put this puppy to rest Matt, The concept is called Capitalism, If you have something I want then I'll pay you some money for what you have.You then take a portion of my money and go make some more to sell to other people, works from hamburgers (simple, you could even make these yourself, kinda petty of BurgerKing to charge us for them isn't it?) to HumVee's(complex).You get to keep the balance to feed your family or develop more stuff. Worked pretty good for over 200yrs. I assume that you aren't just refering to John Gilpin and his VG's for homebuilts but the folks that sell VG's for Cessna's and other certified aircraft as well. THOSE are priced 10-20 TIMES what John is asking. Back under my Rock,the Sun is coming up! John Bolding > > As a side point, I think it petty that these people should charge money for such simple things as VGs. Why not just share the idea and give instructions for other builders (ie in the spirit of the movement). > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 AM PST US From: "Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VGs to Z.A.C. John, Respectfully, YOU have missed the fact that the slats ARE an add on that Mr. Heintz used to increase the C/L (at high AOA) to the max value he could get from the 65018 airfoil, which does NOT, in it's original form, have a slat. They do a WONDERFUL job at the assigned task. SOME think that VG's change the flying properties to something they like BETTER than those of the slats. Each one of us has "Experimental " written in big letters on the side of our airplanes. It REALLY does mean something !! Regards John From: JohnDRead@aol.com You and many others seem to completely miss the fact that >the CH701 uses a slotted airfoil, the slats are not an add-on. >John Read > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:19 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: 801 VOR Mark I mounted mine on the left wing behind the inboard fuel tank. It works fine. Bill Wilcox N801BW 325 hrs > > Mark: > I mounted my VOR antenna on the top of the rudder and it works fine. > Tom Faulkner > N801TP > 110 hrs > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:22 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: VGs on 801 I agree. I have taken the VGs off my 801 and put the slats back on because it his hunting season and I need the extra performance. I'm glad I have a convertible airplane! The conversion takes about 20 minutes. It flys different in each configuration but it flys fine in each configuration. A Cessna flys different than an Maul which flys different than a Piper. I must admit I did not get as much increase in speed as I initially estimated but I am happy. It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. Bill Wilcox N801BW 325 hrs To the beach after work. Time: 09:46:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VGs on 701 From: "Avidmagnum" I went flying a couple days ago with my 20,000+ hour CFI for by BFR. The last BFR we flew with the slats and he thought the aircraft flew OK as he put it. With the slats off he said it flew much nicer. The handling is just that much better. My 701 is on amphibious floats with a 912s. He had such a good time in the 701 he said he hated to charge me! The nice thing about Experimental Aircraft is just that....they are experimental! For those that love the slats...leave them alone! For those that are not sure.....experiment....you are only out a little on the price of the VG's. (The ones for my Cessna 170A were $1450...one reason that I only own home builts now!) And you can remove the vg's and put the slats back on....no problem. I love looking at JG's web site and enjoy our back and forth e-mails. He seems to love what he does! Please keep new ideas coming. I'll look and then "take them or leave them" In my case.... with my situation....I'd have sold my 701 and got a different float plane if the idea to remove the slats would not have been posted here. Thanks!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130786#130786 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:07 AM PST US From: Joemotis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 VOR Hey Bill Wilcox, Are you retired from L.A. County by chance? Joe Motis Do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:35 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel System Design I used Stewart Systems water based paint. It takes a little getting used to. But I really like it. This stuff is very durable and very safe. I tried it on the interior to get the feel of it. I am glad I did. If you order paint from them they will send you a video that shows how to do it. They are really great to work with. http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/ Good luck and happy building Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Offill" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel System Design > > Matt what did you use to paint the inside of the fuselage with. It looks > great. > > Danny > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Repairs to Plexiglass 701 Door From: "Tommy Walker" Thanks to the many listers who replied to my post about repairing my Pax door. I tried Acetone and several other strong chemicals. None of them worked. I guess the composition of the plexiglas is different now. Finally I found a product that worked to "weld" the pieces together. It is called Weld-On 16. It is a good product. I got it from McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com Thanks for all the advice. Thanks to John Hoak for the suggestion to make a gusset out of a piece of scrap to keep everything together. It appears to be working. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Archive 99 and 99/100% complete. Flight is imminent http://myweb.cableone.net/twalker/noseup.mpg -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131001#131001 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: electrical design From: "chris Sinfield" Hi Just starting to design the electrical system for my aircraft, rather than reinvent the wheel I will just modify a working wheel to suit my needs. I will be having a Jab 3300, night VFR panel with Dynon D100 and analog engine and fuel guages, Elec flaps, elec fuel pump and Nav strobe combo. Any one have a similar set up? I am going to buy the aero electric book as I am an A&P, not avionics. What Z diagrams are others using Z 20 for a starting point?or what? Thanks Chris Zodiac XL Jab3300 Do not archive.. [Question] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131002#131002 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: VGs to Z.A.C. From: "jetboy" The 701 was designed to the safety and engineering standards of TP10141E and later also qualified to BCAR-S and LSA in some specific configurations. In many countries, the modifications as suggested disqualify the aircraft from operating in a simple category and require a change to experimental category priveleges. This may be up to individual choice however I do not expect ZAC to waste resources on validating someone elses design changes. The suggestion of adding 18" to the wingtips is simply alarming - and I understand ZAC already offer a bigger 701 called the patriot150 if thats what is wanted. Like to know the response from ZAC particuarly the results of any testing they may have already done, but for now I'm happy with my 701 operating as a microlight aircraft versus having to register as experimental which requires LAME maintenance and full PPL to operate. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131008#131008 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:48 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: electrical design Chris, I am by no means an expert, but I have just (almost) completed a similar electrical system. Some of the items that came up for me are: 1) Do you have the single or three phase Jabiru alternator? 2) Jabiru is happy with no battery contractor, are you? 3) If you are used to the Cessna master switch, it probably doesn't make sense with the single phase alternator. 4) There is a way to keep all the live wires ahead of the firewall if you want to, but it deviates from the Jabiru recommendations. 5) Over-voltage protection: there are pros and cons. 6) If you use an ammeter shunt, it may be hard to figure out where to place it. 7) The "forest of tabs" grounding mechanism should be considered. Watch out for where and when to ground any wire shielding. 8) The RAC trim systems are a mess to configure and install, but doable. 9) Decide on fuses vs. breakers and whether or not they have to be accessible in flight. 10) Using an essential bus or not. See the AeroElectric Connection on this. 11) Connectors: they are all a little different. Crimp connectors are the normal choice. Well, that is a start! Discussion on lots of these is in the AeroElectric and Jabiru (on Yahoo and Matronics) archives as well as this list. And certainly go direct to Pete (TN) or Andy (FL) at Jabiru with questions. Jeff Davidson -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris Sinfield Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Zenith-List: electrical design Hi Just starting to design the electrical system for my aircraft, rather than reinvent the wheel I will just modify a working wheel to suit my needs. I will be having a Jab 3300, night VFR panel with Dynon D100 and analog engine and fuel guages, Elec flaps, elec fuel pump and Nav strobe combo. Any one have a similar set up? I am going to buy the aero electric book as I am an A&P, not avionics. What Z diagrams are others using Z 20 for a starting point?or what? Thanks Chris Zodiac XL Jab3300 Do not archive .. [Question] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131002#131002 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: somewhat off topic - Purchasing an incomplete homebuilt From: "txpilot" Bob, The following is from AC 20-27F, Section 7g: (3) Buying an Aircraft Built From a Partially Completed Kit. If you buy an aircraft built from a partially completed kit, you should get all fabrication and assembly records, such as receipts for materials, the builders log, and aircraft, engine, and propeller logbooks, from the previous owner. You should add the construction efforts of the previous amateur builders to your builders log to show the construction history of the kit. This information may help us to determine that your aircraft is eligible for amateur-built certification. This AC contains other information regarding the Repairman Certificate. Also, you might want to check AC 65-23A regarding the Repairman Certificate. Hope this helps. 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