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1. 03:04 AM - Re: 701 evolution (jetboy)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Use of Gascolator with auto fuel? (Geoff Heap)
3. 05:39 AM - Transition training Y to center No Big Deal (Brett Hanley)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: 701 evolution (river1)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: wing top skins (Ron Lendon)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin (Ron Lendon)
7. 08:26 AM - Plans wanted - CH200 ()
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: wing top skins (Terry Turnquist)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Transition Training: Dual Sticks vs Y Stick a problem...? (Bryan Martin)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: wing top skins (Bryan Martin)
11. 11:01 AM - Re: Plans wanted - CH100!! ()
12. 11:24 AM - Re: wing top skins (Ron Lendon)
13. 12:28 PM - Transition training Dual sticks to center sticks Not A Big Deal (Brett Hanley)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: Transition training Y to center No Big Deal (Phil Maxson)
15. 01:30 PM - Re: wing top skins (Gig Giacona)
16. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Plans wanted - CH100!! (Woody sulloway)
17. 04:54 PM - Re: Plans wanted - CH200 (ZodieRocket)
18. 05:35 PM - Re: Use of Gascolator with auto fuel? (ashontz)
19. 05:36 PM - Drilling Zodiac Nose Ribs (dfmoeller)
20. 06:00 PM - Chat (MacDonald Doug)
21. 06:02 PM - Re: Drilling Zodiac Nose Ribs (Jaybannist@cs.com)
22. 08:36 PM - New Builder (Shane Norwood)
23. 08:50 PM - 701 Builders Announcement: Wings Construction (Jon Croke)
24. 08:57 PM - Re: chat (Falcon)
25. 09:28 PM - Re: 701 Builders Announcement: Wings Construction (Stanley Challgren)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 evolution |
In 1986 it flew with 52 hp, MAUW 880 lbs and was designed for engines 45 - 85 hp
up to 130 lbs.
1990 - MAUW 960 lbs engines 50 - 100 hp / 130 lbs max. to serial 7-4511
July 2001, serials 7-4512 and later, MAUW 1100 lbs powerplant to 100 hp and installed
weight 200 lbs max.
I dont know the latest Europe lightweight version there was a little info on the
Zenair europe site, seems you could leave off the SP options like the perspex
screen, wing tanks and tundra wheels to get your weight lower, but honestly
if you are using a low weight high output 2 stroke it will be fine - I admit the
earlier airframe will probably balance better. I think its better to include
the slightly heavier spars and structural brackets, even if you dont 'need'
them. Perhaps dont paint the aircraft.
I found the jabiru so light that even with a 26 AH battery in the engine bay I'm
sitting on the aft CG limit with std wingtanks full. 912 needs the battery moved
aft to compensate.
Ralph / CH701SPJ / 2200A started dreaming 1993 started building 2004
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| Subject: | Re: Use of Gascolator with auto fuel? |
Thanks for the further info. I just checked the on line catalog and I see clearly,
the auto fuel gasket listed. The 2005 catalog I have here at work looks similar.
However, my newer catalog at home seems to read different. I'll have to
re-check it. thanks for straightening me out...Geoff
reproduced from on line catalog
"All-metal gascolator with S.S. screen, 1-7/8" dia. cadmium plated steel bowl w/quick
drain. Top is CNC machined from 6061-T6 aluminum. Top casting has 1/4"
pipe ports for 3/8" fuel line and one 1/8" pipe port for primer fitting. Wt: 8
oz. May be used with aviation and/ or auto fuel. Replacement gasket for auto
fuel is p/n 06-00441."
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| Subject: | Transition training Y to center No Big Deal |
Transition training is a piece of cake. Fly a few hours on a dual stick using
only the right hand. Then sit in the center stick aircraft and move the right
hand about five or six inches right and put it on the center stick. The simply
pretend it is between your legs. You will find it responds exactly the same.
Not an issue. Good luck and fair skies.
Brett
Has anyone here done transition training on a dual stick 601XL and then
moved on
to a 601XL with the Y stick...?
Do any of you who have flown 601XL's see this as an issue...?
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| Subject: | Re: 701 evolution |
I just got off the phone with zac (Roger) and he said that the weight increase
with all the new revisions should be around 10# to 15# .That if I use the 582,
header tank only ,old style windscreen and refrain from adding to much electronics
and build to plan spec, I should be able to be at or below 500# .Thanks
to all that ansered my post.
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| Subject: | Re: wing top skins |
I am planning to rivet my skins on now then building up the other wing. I see
no need to not rivet them. I may eat those words also, but that is the risk I
take.
All of the wiring and plumbing will be in and tested before closure and I will
be able to check the wing one final time fixtured to the table before placing
the final rivets. If there is any shape changing required I would rather do that
on a known good surface (my build table).
YMMV
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin |
Welcome to the world of fear. I am scratch building a 601 but the principles are
the same. Take a look at mykitlog site around 1-29-2006, it might give you
some ideas or how to proceed.
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Plans wanted - CH200 |
As part of a museum project I'm heading up the restoration of a 1970s
vintage Zenith CH200.
Would any body know where I can get a set of plans for this aircraft?
Thanks in advance,
Steve J. Hurlbut
hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca
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| Subject: | Re: wing top skins |
You might check with a couple of DAR'S in your area..some of them require access
to the inside of the wing before signing off an inspection. At least so I've
heard. Not there yet!
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Terry Turnquist
I am planning to rivet my skins on now then building up the other wing. I see
no need to not rivet them. I may eat those words also, but that is the risk I
take.
All of the wiring and plumbing will be in and tested before closure and I will
be able to check the wing one final time fixtured to the table before placing
the final rivets. If there is any shape changing required I would rather do that
on a known good surface (my build table).
YMMV
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training: Dual Sticks vs Y Stick a problem...? |
Before I first flew my Zodiac, nearly all of my flight time was in
aircraft with a control yoke. I flew these with my left hand on the yoke
and used my left hand for engine controls. But I noticed that every time
I flew a flight simulator type program on a computer, I used my right
hand on the joystick. I had no problem at all adapting to the Y stick in
my Zodiac. Even with all that time in Cessnas, the Zodiac Y stick seemed
perfectly natural to me.
PatrickW wrote:
>
> Friends - I'll soon have the opportunity to fly a Zodiac 601XL in a training
situation, and as my own XL approaches completion I plan on becoming current in
a 601XL prior to my own aircraft's first flight.
>
> My 601XL is configured with the Y stick, whereas the training 601XL is configured
with dual sticks.
>
> Has anyone here done transition training on a dual stick 601XL and then moved
on to a 601XL with the Y stick...?
>
> Do any of you who have flown 601XL's see this as an issue...?
>
> I am a PPSEL, and will have about 200 hours in several aircraft by the time I
make my first flight (Warrior, J3, CT, Evector, & 601XL).
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: wing top skins |
If you get a visit by an EAA technical counselor before you close the
wing and document it, you shouldn't have any such trouble. The FAA
recommends that you have a tech counselor look over major assemblies
before closing them. I had three visits, before closing up the tail
feathers, before closing up the first wing and before closing up the
fuselage.
Terry Turnquist wrote:
Terry Turnquist wrote:
> You might check with a couple of DAR'S in your area..some of them
> require access to the inside of the wing before signing off an
> inspection. At least so I've heard. Not there yet!
>
>
>>
>> I am planning to rivet my skins on now then building up the other
>> wing. I see no need to not rivet them. I may eat those words also,
>> but that is the risk I take.
>>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | RE: Plans wanted - CH100!! |
Actually the aircraft is the rarer CH100 single seat. Anybody know where
I can get some more information on this aircraft including some plans.
An internet search turned up very little. Only 2 references found about
the airplane.
Thank you
Steve J. Hurlbut
hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca
> _____________________________________________
> From: Hurlbut Capt SJ@MP&EU@Greenwood
> Sent: Monday, 10, September, 2007 12:24 PM
> To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Plans wanted - CH200
>
> As part of a museum project I'm heading up the restoration of a 1970s
> vintage Zenith CH200.
>
> Would any body know where I can get a set of plans for this aircraft?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing top skins |
Thanks Bryan,
I did forget to mention the Tech Counselor has seen and written documentation about
what he has seen. I actually called him last night and asked if he wanted
to see it again before final closure, he said "no, button it up".
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Transition training Dual sticks to center sticks Not A Big |
Deal
Transition training is a piece of cake. Fly a few hours on a dual
stick using only the right hand. Then sit in the center stick aircraft and
move the right hand about five or six inches right and put it on the
center stick. The simply pretend it is between your legs. You will
find it responds exactly the same. Not an issue. Good luck and fair
skies.
Brett
Has anyone here done transition training on a dual stick 601XL and
then
moved on
to a 601XL with the Y stick...?
Do any of you who have flown 601XL's see this as an issue...?
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| Subject: | Transition training Y to center No Big Deal |
I've written this many times before. I believe that transition to the cent
er Y stick is not an issue. It is only something that exists in the pilot'
s mind as he/she sits on the ground. Once you're flying you won't even not
ice that the stick isn't a yoke or that the stick isn't between your legs.
Unless you have severely limited mobility in your left arm, you won't even
notice which hand you use for flying. My radio is in the middle of my pan
el and I flew 7.5 hours over labor day weekend, and I couldn't tell you whi
ch hand I use to change frequencies. (I flew through Allentown, Reading, H
arrisburg, and Charleston WV airspace with all the frequency changes you wo
uld expect)Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
Has anyone here done transition training on a dual stick 601XL and thenmove
d onto a 601XL with the Y stick...?Do any of you who have flown 601XL's see
this as an issue...? Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: wing top skins |
Not in the US they don't. Now an EAA tech adviser might want to see. Mine didn't
ter_turn(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> You might check with a couple of DAR'S in your area..some of them require access
to the inside of the wing before signing off an inspection. At least so I've
heard. Not there yet!
>
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>
> Terry Turnquist
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Plans wanted - CH100!! |
Hi, I think some body had a CH100 for sale in Georga, (USA) 5 or 6 months
ago. it was advertised on Barnstormers. why notr do a search on the USA FAA
Web site using the Key Words zenith and see how many you get. Maybe you
will luck out and find some plans!
Regards
Woody
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From: <HURLBUT.SJ@forces.gc.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Plans wanted - CH100!!
Actually the aircraft is the rarer CH100 single seat. Anybody know where
I can get some more information on this aircraft including some plans.
An internet search turned up very little. Only 2 references found about
the airplane.
Thank you
Steve J. Hurlbut
hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca
> _____________________________________________
> From: Hurlbut Capt SJ@MP&EU@Greenwood
> Sent: Monday, 10, September, 2007 12:24 PM
> To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Plans wanted - CH200
>
> As part of a museum project I'm heading up the restoration of a 1970s
> vintage Zenith CH200.
>
> Would any body know where I can get a set of plans for this aircraft?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
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| Subject: | Plans wanted - CH200 |
Try the Zenith 200-300 owners list on yahoogroups. I heard of someone
selling his plans not that long ago
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HURLBUT.SJ@forces.gc.ca
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Plans wanted - CH200
As part of a museum project I'm heading up the restoration of a 1970s
vintage Zenith CH200.
Would any body know where I can get a set of plans for this aircraft?
Thanks in advance,
Steve J. Hurlbut
hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca
9/10/2007 5:43 PM
9/10/2007 5:43 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Use of Gascolator with auto fuel? |
If you have the right gasket that sounds good. Unlikely there's a problem but if
they list one for auto fuel go with that.
Speaking of fuel, on my way home tonight I went down the White Horse Pike to go
to the veterinarian to pick up some meds for the dog. Over in Hi-Nella someone
had about a 250 gallon tank mounted on a trailer with a fuel pump on it for
sale. I wonder if EAA 216 would be interested in purchasing it?
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Geoff Heap wrote:
> Thanks for the further info. I just checked the on line catalog and I see clearly,
the auto fuel gasket listed. The 2005 catalog I have here at work looks
similar. However, my newer catalog at home seems to read different. I'll have
to re-check it. thanks for straightening me out...Geoff
>
> reproduced from on line catalog
>
> "All-metal gascolator with S.S. screen, 1-7/8" dia. cadmium plated steel bowl
w/quick drain. Top is CNC machined from 6061-T6 aluminum. Top casting has 1/4"
pipe ports for 3/8" fuel line and one 1/8" pipe port for primer fitting. Wt:
8 oz. May be used with aviation and/ or auto fuel. Replacement gasket for auto
fuel is p/n 06-00441."
> do not archive
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Drilling Zodiac Nose Ribs |
OK - quick question regarding mounting nose ribs to the spar on the Zodiac XL.
When preparing them for pilot drilling/cleco per assy manual chapter 6W7A, pages
10 and 11, the instructions call for placing a .025 strip under the lower spar
cap angle to simulate the lower rear skin and a .025 strip on top of the upper
spar cap angle to simulate the upper rear skin. I'm clear so far.
But at the top of page 11, it shows the upper strip in a different location which
might make sense if 2 strips per top and 2 per bottom are used because the
nose skin overlaps the upper rear skin (and the lower rear skin). This leads
me to believe that to line up the nose rib properly, the overlapped skins should
be simulated. I think that kind of makes sense.
So, is it just a single strip to be clamped on the top and bottom, or is at actually
2 strips on both top and bottom?
Someone that has been there a done that, please clue me in before I screw up my
nose ribs. Or if this answer is simply too obvious, point me in the right direction.
Doug
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Remeber, everone, tonight is chat night.
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| Subject: | Drilling Zodiac Nose Ribs |
Doug,
As you suggested, there is some confusion. I used two strips. One was fastened
to the rear rib flange and stopped at the forward face of the spar flange, simulating
the rear skin. The other one was clamped to the nose rib and overlapped
the other strip, simulating the nose skin. I only used one strip on the bottom,
because it is less critical and you can't easily stretch or shrink the
rib to make both surfaces align perfectly anyway.
I think just as important an alignment issue is the "squareness" of the rib flanges.
I found that on mine (kit supplied) the rib flanges were not square with
the web of the rib. When I clamped the flanges to the spar, it bowed the rib
flange. I had to adjust nearly all the ribs flanges because of this.
Jay in Dallas
"dfmoeller" <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>OK - quick question regarding mounting nose ribs to the spar on the Zodiac XL.
>
>When preparing them for pilot drilling/cleco per assy manual chapter 6W7A, pages
10 and 11, the instructions call for placing a .025 strip under the lower spar
cap angle to simulate the lower rear skin and a .025 strip on top of the upper
spar cap angle to simulate the upper rear skin. I'm clear so far.
>
>But at the top of page 11, it shows the upper strip in a different location which
might make sense if 2 strips per top and 2 per bottom are used because the
nose skin overlaps the upper rear skin (and the lower rear skin). This leads
me to believe that to line up the nose rib properly, the overlapped skins should
be simulated. I think that kind of makes sense.
>
>So, is it just a single strip to be clamped on the top and bottom, or is at actually
2 strips on both top and bottom?
>
>Someone that has been there a done that, please clue me in before I screw up my
nose ribs. Or if this answer is simply too obvious, point me in the right direction.
>
>Doug
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>
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Good Evening All,
Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will be
starting my aircraft building adventure in November by attending a 601XL
rudder workshop in Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to joining all of you
as a fellow Zenith builder. I'm encouraged by the great communication on
this list. It seems like everyone within the building community does what
they can to help each other complete their goal. I'll keep everyone posted
on my progress.
~Shane Norwood
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| Subject: | 701 Builders Announcement: Wings Construction |
HomebuiltHELP is proud to announce the release of the next volume in the
series of "Building your Zenith CH701" : WINGS Construction. This is a
double volume DVD set with 5 hrs of building demonstrations for the 701
Wing kit.
Details at: http://homebuilthelp.com/CH701Wings.htm
Thanks for your support!
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Missed you guys again -- neighbor got a load of concrete, and we're all helping
one another build driveways. The concrete calls.
Here's what you missed: my redrive is in pieces, with some parts and the new bearings
in the freezer. My better half mowed the whole yard while I was at work,
and moved everything around in the shed so I could get to the 12 ton hydraulic
press (has to do with Stratus parts in the freezer) Did I mentions she rocks?
My better half, that is.
Really looking forward to chatting next week.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Builders Announcement: Wings Construction |
Jon:
Just finished my forward fuselage and joined it to my rear. I've
already built my wings but may just buy new ones from Zenith so I can
do it right this time.
I really appreciate your exceptional video presentations. I highly
recommend them to anyone who has the slightest doubt about what to do
after referring to the Zenith building literature.
Stan
N701VG (reserved)
On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Jon Croke wrote:
> HomebuiltHELP is proud to announce the release of the next volume
> in the series of "Building your Zenith CH701" : WINGS Construction.
> This is a double volume DVD set with 5 hrs of building
> demonstrations for the 701 Wing kit.
>
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