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1. 06:47 AM - Re: New Builder (Gig Giacona)
2. 06:52 AM - Re: New Builder (LarryMcFarland)
3. 07:23 AM - Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Kevin Kinney)
4. 08:18 AM - Re: New Builder (Art Gibeaut)
5. 09:41 AM - Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Terry Turnquist)
6. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Plans wanted - CH100!! (Jim and Lucy)
7. 10:37 AM - Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
8. 10:55 AM - More Nose Rib Riveting (Kafka, Jeff)
9. 11:30 AM - 601xl wing weight? (David Mikesell)
10. 11:41 AM - Re: More Nose Rib Riveting (Terry Phillips)
11. 12:16 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (Juan Vega)
12. 12:27 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (Gig Giacona)
13. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: 601xl wing weight? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 12:37 PM - Re: Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? (macleod@eagle.ca)
15. 12:46 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (William Dominguez)
16. 01:54 PM - Another Airport being closed (Phil Sisson)
17. 02:25 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (John Marzulli)
18. 02:43 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (Shane Norwood)
19. 03:05 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (Gig Giacona)
20. 05:24 PM - Re: More Nose Rib Riveting (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 07:15 PM - Re: New Builder (Ron Lendon)
22. 07:33 PM - Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Ron Lendon)
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Welcome to the club Shane, may God have mercy on your soul.
You are getting off to a very good start by doing the Rudder Workshop. Keep it
up and you'll be fine.
phpd81p(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Good Evening All,
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will be starting
my aircraft building adventure in November by attending a 601XL rudder workshop
in Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to joining all of you as a fellow
Zenith builder. I'm encouraged by the great communication on this list. It
seems like everyone within the building community does what they can to help each
other complete their goal. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress.
>
> ~Shane Norwood
> do not archive
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133899#133899
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Welcome Shane and congratulations on picking a great aircraft.
Great fun it is.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Shane Norwood wrote:
> Good Evening All,
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will
> be starting my aircraft building adventure in November by attending a
> 601XL rudder workshop in Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to
> joining all of you as a fellow Zenith builder. I'm encouraged by the
> great communication on this list. It seems like everyone within the
> building community does what they can to help each other complete
> their goal. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress.
>
> ~Shane Norwood
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! |
Thyne fyle Vyxen be a devyze phantasique for shaping of fybreglas and of scratching
thyne bare back.
Be thou ever myndful that only the basest fool should use it thus at the SAME TYME!!
Scratchyng with a dyferent fyl now,
Kevin Kinney
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Parent - You don't. You pick one and go with it.
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I would also like to welcome you Shane. There are some very experienced bui
lders on the website, and they are all very passionate about this endeavor
and willing to help. I'm a relative "newbie" as I attended the rudder works
hop in March of this year, and am building a 701. I've got the tail done an
d I'm up to my eyeballs with the right wing. I love it, and only wish I'd s
tarted sooner. The rudder workshop is a very good thing to attend and it wi
ll help your confidence a lot. Good luck.=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A-----
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th-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:32:23 PM=0ASubj
ect: Zenith-List: New Builder=0A=0A=0AGood Evening All,=0A =0AJust wanted t
o introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will be starting my air
craft building adventure in November by attending a 601XL rudder workshop i
n Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to joining all of you as a fellow Zen
ith builder. I'm encouraged by the great communication on this list. It see
ms like everyone within the building community does what they can to help e
ach other complete their goal. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress.
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| Subject: | Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! |
ye, best to use the servises of thy handmaiden for simple pleasures.
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Thyne fyle Vyxen be a devyze phantasique for shaping of fybreglas and of scratching
thyne bare back.
Be thou ever myndful that only the basest fool should use it thus at the SAME TYME!!
Scratchyng with a dyferent fyl now,
Kevin Kinney
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Parent - You don't. You pick one and go with it.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Plans wanted - CH100!! |
I have placed a file at the following web address that
contains scans of all my old Zenair literature. It
is mostly info sheets from zenair booths at old air shows.
There is a bit of information on the ch100 as well as
the other 200 and 300 series. 46 pages and around 6MB in size.
<http://smtp.ciaccess.com/users/jpollard@ciaccess.com/files/>http://smtp.ciaccess.com/users/jpollard@ciaccess.com/files/
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont.
At 01:59 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>Actually the aircraft is the rarer CH100 single seat. Anybody know where
>I can get some more information on this aircraft including some plans.
>An internet search turned up very little. Only 2 references found about
>the airplane.
>
>Thank you
>Steve J. Hurlbut
>hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca
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| Subject: | Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? |
List,
I am at the point where my cleco collection is slimming down due to usage.
For those of you who have completed or are near completion of the fuselage, at
what point of the do you begin the riveting process for the fron/floor/fire wall
and sides
I am currently at the seat back supports and feel I am near the point of dis-assembling
what I have and then pull the rivets up to a given area.
Thoughts?
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--
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
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| Subject: | More Nose Rib Riveting |
List,
I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib angles,
and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two strips to
simulate the skins before I completed *all* the ribs. (Inboard four are
done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I expect minor flange
adjustments will also help).
A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller into
position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for NR #5
(older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps). The spar
cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting fully
horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when the time
comes.
Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard ribs
early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before riveting the
angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I don't have that option
for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the solid rivets at the
ends of the angle once the rib was in place).
Any suggestions?
Jeff Kafka
601XL Plans
Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done
Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings
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| Subject: | 601xl wing weight? |
I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but
looking for weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got
that info?
Thanks
David Mikesell
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| Subject: | Re: More Nose Rib Riveting |
Jeff
I had a clearance problem with 4 rivets on my horizontal stabilizer. The
diameter of the nose on my HF hydraulic-pneumatic riveter made it
impossible to hold the riveter normal to the surface. I found that my
hand riveter (also from HF) required less clearance and would work. So,
I mailed the hand riveter A4 and A5 rivet heads off to Zenith to be
machined and they were back in less than a week (great service there,
ZAC!) The geometry of a hand riveter is a lot different from the
pneumatic riveter, and may provide sufficient clearance for your situation.
Terry
Kafka, Jeff wrote:
>
> List,
>
> I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib
> angles, and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two
> strips to simulate the skins before I completed **all** the ribs.
> (Inboard four are done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I
> expect minor flange adjustments will also help).
>
> A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller
> into position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for
> NR #5 (older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps).
> The spar cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting fully
> horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when the
> time comes.
>
> Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard
> ribs early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before
> riveting the angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I dont
> have that option for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the
> solid rivets at the ends of the angle once the rib was in place).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> ***Jeff Kafka*
>
> *601XL Plans*
>
> *Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done*
>
> *Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings *
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl wing weight? |
75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>Sent: Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight?
>
>I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but looking for
weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got that info?
>
>Thanks
>David Mikesell
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl wing weight? |
That sounds about right but LOTS AND LOTS of packing weight will need to be added.
Probably to the point that the weight of the wings themselves probably won't
matter much.
amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
> 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics
>
> Juan
>
> --
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133946#133946
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl wing weight? |
Gig is right. As I recall, the unopened crate my wings kit came in weighed over
600 pounds.
Jay in Dallas
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"Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>That sounds about right but LOTS AND LOTS of packing weight will need to be added.
Probably to the point that the weight of the wings themselves probably won't
matter much.
>
>
>amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote:
>> 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133946#133946
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? |
Rich:
I had the same problem (where did all those clecoes go?).
I went to the end of 6-B-19 and then took it all apart and started
riveting. It seem to have worked out ok.
Mike
601XL - Rotax 912S
>
> List,
>
> I am at the point where my cleco collection is slimming down due to usage.
>
> For those of you who have completed or are near completion of the
> fuselage, at what point of the do you begin the riveting process for the
> fron/floor/fire wall and sides
>
> I am currently at the seat back supports and feel I am near the point of
> dis-assembling what I have and then pull the rivets up to a given area.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Do not Archive
> --
> Thanks,
> Rich Simmons
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl wing weight? |
Now that we are in the weight department, does anyone know how much the 601XL airframe
weight? no engine, no paint, no instruments etc.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Mikesell
>Sent: Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight?
>
>I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but looking for
weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got that info?
>
>Thanks
>David Mikesell
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| Subject: | Another Airport being closed |
The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and has
a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes
based there. Phil in Litchfield
.................................
I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open.
The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed
to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that
they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm,
all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft
owners on the field, or the public.
Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper
site and vote anonymously in their online poll.....
http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/
scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once,
but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may
not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up
the website........
Thanks for your support.
Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member
Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time
ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Airport being closed |
Even if it has already been done, it's never a bad idea to contact AOPA
about this. We lost Blaine out here in Washington, but sometimes they win.
Good luck!
-John
On 9/11/07, Phil Sisson <sisson@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>
> The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and
> has
> a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes
> based there. Phil in Litchfield
>
> .................................
>
>
> I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open.
> The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed
> to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that
> they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm,
> all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft
> owners on the field, or the public.
>
>
> Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper
> site and vote anonymously in their online poll.....
>
>
> http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/
>
>
> scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once,
> but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may
> not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up
> the website........
>
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
>
> Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member
>
>
> Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time
> ago.
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Another Airport being closed |
Submitted my vote!
~Shane
On 9/11/07, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even if it has already been done, it's never a bad idea to contact AOPA
> about this. We lost Blaine out here in Washington, but sometimes they win.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -John
>
> On 9/11/07, Phil Sisson <sisson@consolidated.net> wrote:
> >
> > sisson@consolidated.net>
> >
> > The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and
> > has
> > a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes
> > based there. Phil in Litchfield
> >
> > .................................
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4)
> > open.
> > The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they
> > agreed
> > to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and
> > that
> > they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00
> > pm,
> > all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar
> > renters/aircraft
> > owners on the field, or the public.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local
> > newspaper
> > site and vote anonymously in their online poll.....
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/
> >
> >
> >
> > scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only
> > once,
> > but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We
> > may
> > not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock
> > up
> > the website........
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your support.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time
> > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ <http://701builder.blogspot.com/>
> >
> > "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
> > harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> > -Airplane The Movie
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Another Airport being closed |
Well if nothing else you will find out if your city council pays attention to polls
conducted by the newspaper.
The only problem is it will be very easy to show that the results are bogus because
those of us that responded to your request voted.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133972#133972
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| Subject: | Re: More Nose Rib Riveting |
Hi Jeff,
I modified a rivet puller nose piece by grinding the face at about a
30 degree angle and then grinding the concave shape unique to CH's
plans. I use this in a hand puller in the few places where a normal
riveter won't even think about fitting. There are several more
places where this came in handy besides the nose ribs. I only did
this for A5 rivets and that seems to be enough.
With the slanted nose piece, the rivet stem gets bent into the
riveter while it is pulled, but it all works out fine. At least it
does after a few practice rivets.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 10:55 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote:
>List,
>
>I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib
>angles, and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two
>strips to simulate the skins before I completed *all* the ribs.
>(Inboard four are done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I
>expect minor flange adjustments will also help).
>
>A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller
>into position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for
>NR #5 (older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps).
>The spar cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting
>fully horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when
>the time comes.
>
>Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard
>ribs early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before
>riveting the angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I don't
>have that option for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the
>solid rivets at the ends of the angle once the rib was in place).
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Jeff Kafka
>
>601XL Plans
>
>Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done
>
>Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings
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Welcome Shane,
If I knew it was going to be this much fun I would have started sooner.
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--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! |
Kevin,
Not sure what the point was but you are right the vixen file can be tricky to use.
An old timer told me to break the edge along the side of the file with a
little light grinding and use wax to help it not plug up. The edge breaking helps
prevent gouging a surface.
A light touch is required if you are surfacing.
Take a look here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log 545&row=266
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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