---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/11/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:47 AM - Re: New Builder (Gig Giacona) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: New Builder (LarryMcFarland) 3. 07:23 AM - Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Kevin Kinney) 4. 08:18 AM - Re: New Builder (Art Gibeaut) 5. 09:41 AM - Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Terry Turnquist) 6. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Plans wanted - CH100!! (Jim and Lucy) 7. 10:37 AM - Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons)) 8. 10:55 AM - More Nose Rib Riveting (Kafka, Jeff) 9. 11:30 AM - 601xl wing weight? (David Mikesell) 10. 11:41 AM - Re: More Nose Rib Riveting (Terry Phillips) 11. 12:16 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (Juan Vega) 12. 12:27 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (Gig Giacona) 13. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: 601xl wing weight? (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 12:37 PM - Re: Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? (macleod@eagle.ca) 15. 12:46 PM - Re: 601xl wing weight? (William Dominguez) 16. 01:54 PM - Another Airport being closed (Phil Sisson) 17. 02:25 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (John Marzulli) 18. 02:43 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (Shane Norwood) 19. 03:05 PM - Re: Another Airport being closed (Gig Giacona) 20. 05:24 PM - Re: More Nose Rib Riveting (Paul Mulwitz) 21. 07:15 PM - Re: New Builder (Ron Lendon) 22. 07:33 PM - Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! (Ron Lendon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Builder From: "Gig Giacona" Welcome to the club Shane, may God have mercy on your soul. You are getting off to a very good start by doing the Rudder Workshop. Keep it up and you'll be fine. phpd81p(at)gmail.com wrote: > Good Evening All, > > Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will be starting my aircraft building adventure in November by attending a 601XL rudder workshop in Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to joining all of you as a fellow Zenith builder. I'm encouraged by the great communication on this list. It seems like everyone within the building community does what they can to help each other complete their goal. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress. > > ~Shane Norwood > do not archive > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133899#133899 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:48 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builder Welcome Shane and congratulations on picking a great aircraft. Great fun it is. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Shane Norwood wrote: > Good Evening All, > > Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will > be starting my aircraft building adventure in November by attending a > 601XL rudder workshop in Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to > joining all of you as a fellow Zenith builder. I'm encouraged by the > great communication on this list. It seems like everyone within the > building community does what they can to help each other complete > their goal. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress. > > ~Shane Norwood > do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:35 AM PST US From: Kevin Kinney Subject: Zenith-List: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! Thyne fyle Vyxen be a devyze phantasique for shaping of fybreglas and of scratching thyne bare back. Be thou ever myndful that only the basest fool should use it thus at the SAME TYME!! Scratchyng with a dyferent fyl now, Kevin Kinney -- Non-Parent - I don't see how you can raise children & stay sane. Parent - You don't. You pick one and go with it. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:36 AM PST US From: Art Gibeaut Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Builder I would also like to welcome you Shane. There are some very experienced bui lders on the website, and they are all very passionate about this endeavor and willing to help. I'm a relative "newbie" as I attended the rudder works hop in March of this year, and am building a 701. I've got the tail done an d I'm up to my eyeballs with the right wing. I love it, and only wish I'd s tarted sooner. The rudder workshop is a very good thing to attend and it wi ll help your confidence a lot. Good luck.=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Shane Norwood =0ATo: zeni th-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:32:23 PM=0ASubj ect: Zenith-List: New Builder=0A=0A=0AGood Evening All,=0A =0AJust wanted t o introduce myself. My name is Shane Norwood, and I will be starting my air craft building adventure in November by attending a 601XL rudder workshop i n Cloverdale, CA. I'm looking forward to joining all of you as a fellow Zen ith builder. I'm encouraged by the great communication on this list. It see ms like everyone within the building community does what they can to help e ach other complete their goal. 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Autos. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:57 AM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Plans wanted - CH100!! I have placed a file at the following web address that contains scans of all my old Zenair literature. It is mostly info sheets from zenair booths at old air shows. There is a bit of information on the ch100 as well as the other 200 and 300 series. 46 pages and around 6MB in size. http://smtp.ciaccess.com/users/jpollard@ciaccess.com/files/ Jim Pollard Merlin Ont. At 01:59 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote: > >Actually the aircraft is the rarer CH100 single seat. Anybody know where >I can get some more information on this aircraft including some plans. >An internet search turned up very little. Only 2 references found about >the airplane. > >Thank you >Steve J. Hurlbut >hurlbut.sj@forces.gc.ca ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:04 AM PST US From: 4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons) Subject: Zenith-List: Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? List, I am at the point where my cleco collection is slimming down due to usage. For those of you who have completed or are near completion of the fuselage, at what point of the do you begin the riveting process for the fron/floor/fire wall and sides I am currently at the seat back supports and feel I am near the point of dis-assembling what I have and then pull the rivets up to a given area. Thoughts? Do not Archive -- Thanks, Rich Simmons ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: More Nose Rib Riveting From: "Kafka, Jeff" List, I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib angles, and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two strips to simulate the skins before I completed *all* the ribs. (Inboard four are done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I expect minor flange adjustments will also help). A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller into position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for NR #5 (older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps). The spar cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting fully horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when the time comes. Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard ribs early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before riveting the angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I don't have that option for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the solid rivets at the ends of the angle once the rib was in place). Any suggestions? Jeff Kafka 601XL Plans Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings Do Not Archive This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:48 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight? I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but looking for weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got that info? Thanks David Mikesell ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:12 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More Nose Rib Riveting Jeff I had a clearance problem with 4 rivets on my horizontal stabilizer. The diameter of the nose on my HF hydraulic-pneumatic riveter made it impossible to hold the riveter normal to the surface. I found that my hand riveter (also from HF) required less clearance and would work. So, I mailed the hand riveter A4 and A5 rivet heads off to Zenith to be machined and they were back in less than a week (great service there, ZAC!) The geometry of a hand riveter is a lot different from the pneumatic riveter, and may provide sufficient clearance for your situation. Terry Kafka, Jeff wrote: > > List, > > I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib > angles, and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two > strips to simulate the skins before I completed **all** the ribs. > (Inboard four are done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I > expect minor flange adjustments will also help). > > A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller > into position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for > NR #5 (older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps). > The spar cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting fully > horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when the > time comes. > > Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard > ribs early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before > riveting the angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I dont > have that option for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the > solid rivets at the ends of the angle once the rib was in place). > > Any suggestions? > > ***Jeff Kafka* > > *601XL Plans* > > *Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done* > > *Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings * > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:32 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight? 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Mikesell >Sent: Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight? > >I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but looking for weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got that info? > >Thanks >David Mikesell ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl wing weight? From: "Gig Giacona" That sounds about right but LOTS AND LOTS of packing weight will need to be added. Probably to the point that the weight of the wings themselves probably won't matter much. amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: > 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics > > Juan > > -- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133946#133946 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:29 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601xl wing weight? Gig is right. As I recall, the unopened crate my wings kit came in weighed over 600 pounds. Jay in Dallas Do not archive "Gig Giacona" wrote: > >That sounds about right but LOTS AND LOTS of packing weight will need to be added. Probably to the point that the weight of the wings themselves probably won't matter much. > > >amyvega2005(at)earthlink. wrote: >> 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics >> >> Juan >> >> -- > > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133946#133946 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuselage-Poont to start riveting? From: macleod@eagle.ca Rich: I had the same problem (where did all those clecoes go?). I went to the end of 6-B-19 and then took it all apart and started riveting. It seem to have worked out ok. Mike 601XL - Rotax 912S > > List, > > I am at the point where my cleco collection is slimming down due to usage. > > For those of you who have completed or are near completion of the > fuselage, at what point of the do you begin the riveting process for the > fron/floor/fire wall and sides > > I am currently at the seat back supports and feel I am near the point of > dis-assembling what I have and then pull the rivets up to a given area. > > Thoughts? > > Do not Archive > -- > Thanks, > Rich Simmons > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:52 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight? Now that we are in the weight department, does anyone know how much the 601XL airframe weight? no engine, no paint, no instruments etc. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida 75 lbs per wing with tanks and electronics Juan -----Original Message----- >From: David Mikesell >Sent: Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl wing weight? > >I have a line on buying some wings that are already assembled but looking for weight per wing to get a shipping quote...........anyone got that info? > >Thanks >David Mikesell ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:25 PM PST US From: "Phil Sisson" Subject: Zenith-List: Another Airport being closed The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and has a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes based there. Phil in Litchfield ................................. I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open. The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm, all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft owners on the field, or the public. Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper site and vote anonymously in their online poll..... http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/ scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once, but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up the website........ Thanks for your support. Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time ago. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:31 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Airport being closed Even if it has already been done, it's never a bad idea to contact AOPA about this. We lost Blaine out here in Washington, but sometimes they win. Good luck! -John On 9/11/07, Phil Sisson wrote: > > > The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and > has > a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes > based there. Phil in Litchfield > > ................................. > > > I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) open. > The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they agreed > to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and that > they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 pm, > all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar renters/aircraft > owners on the field, or the public. > > > Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local newspaper > site and vote anonymously in their online poll..... > > > http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/ > > > scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only once, > but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We may > not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock up > the website........ > > > Thanks for your support. > > > Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member > > > Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time > ago. > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:34 PM PST US From: "Shane Norwood" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Airport being closed Submitted my vote! ~Shane On 9/11/07, John Marzulli wrote: > > Even if it has already been done, it's never a bad idea to contact AOPA > about this. We lost Blaine out here in Washington, but sometimes they win. > > Good luck! > > -John > > On 9/11/07, Phil Sisson wrote: > > > > sisson@consolidated.net> > > > > The following came to me last night from Ray who lives in Hillsboro and > > has > > a Mustang II. This is a small grass field airport with about ten planes > > based there. Phil in Litchfield > > > > ................................. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am writing to ask you to help us keep the Hillsboro Airport (3K4) > > open. > > The city council has in the space of a few days announced that they > > agreed > > to negotiate the sale of the airport property to a coal company, and > > that > > they will take action on the sale at Tuesday's council meeting at 7:00 > > pm, > > all with no discussion with the Airport Board, the hangar > > renters/aircraft > > owners on the field, or the public. > > > > > > > > Please take a couple of minutes to go to this link to the local > > newspaper > > site and vote anonymously in their online poll..... > > > > > > > > http://www.thejournal-news.net/news/ > > > > > > > > scroll down near the bottom, left side of page. Please vote NO only > > once, > > but feel free to forward this to any other aviation fans you know. We > > may > > not be successful, but I would like them to HEAR US. Maybe we can lock > > up > > the website........ > > > > > > > > Thanks for your support. > > > > > > > > Ray Dorf, Hillsboro Airport Board member > > > > > > > > Sorry about the short notice, I just learned about the poll a short time > > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ > > > > "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot > > harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. > > -Airplane The Movie > > > > * > > > > * > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another Airport being closed From: "Gig Giacona" Well if nothing else you will find out if your city council pays attention to polls conducted by the newspaper. The only problem is it will be very easy to show that the results are bogus because those of us that responded to your request voted. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133972#133972 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:44 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: More Nose Rib Riveting Hi Jeff, I modified a rivet puller nose piece by grinding the face at about a 30 degree angle and then grinding the concave shape unique to CH's plans. I use this in a hand puller in the few places where a normal riveter won't even think about fitting. There are several more places where this came in handy besides the nose ribs. I only did this for A5 rivets and that seems to be enough. With the slanted nose piece, the rivet stem gets bent into the riveter while it is pulled, but it all works out fine. At least it does after a few practice rivets. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 10:55 AM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >List, > >I am in the process of locating the 601 XL nose ribs on the rib >angles, and was pleased to receive the recent advice about using two >strips to simulate the skins before I completed *all* the ribs. >(Inboard four are done, but most of the outboard ones are left. I >expect minor flange adjustments will also help). > >A separate question: I am having difficulty getting my rivet puller >into position to pull the A5 rivets at the ends of the rib angle for >NR #5 (older plans; this is the first rib past the front spar caps). >The spar cap is in the way and will keep the puller from getting >fully horizontal. I fear the rivet will not be lying quite flat when >the time comes. > >Since I am plans building I spotted a similar issue for the inboard >ribs early and decided to rivet the ribs to those angles before >riveting the angles to the spar web (all the holes are done. I don't >have that option for this rib; (I doubt I could reliably replace the >solid rivets at the ends of the angle once the rib was in place). > >Any suggestions? > >Jeff Kafka > >601XL Plans > >Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done > >Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Builder From: "Ron Lendon" Welcome Shane, If I knew it was going to be this much fun I would have started sooner. do not archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133999#133999 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Huh? Oh. Aw @#$%! From: "Ron Lendon" Kevin, Not sure what the point was but you are right the vixen file can be tricky to use. An old timer told me to break the edge along the side of the file with a little light grinding and use wax to help it not plug up. The edge breaking helps prevent gouging a surface. A light touch is required if you are surfacing. Take a look here: http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log 545&row=266 -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134000#134000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.