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1. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Gary Ray)
2. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Craig Payne)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Gig Giacona)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (PatrickW)
5. 07:30 AM - Last trip for aluminun (wade jones)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (T. Graziano)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H)
9. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (Al Hays)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H)
11. 10:33 AM - Dual throttle (Jay Caldwell)
12. 11:11 AM - soundproofing 601xl (alex_01)
13. 11:58 AM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (Rick Lindstrom)
14. 11:59 AM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (John Marzulli)
15. 12:58 PM - Re: Dual throttle (Phil Maxson)
16. 01:21 PM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (alex_01)
17. 01:33 PM - Non-LSA ops limits (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
18. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: soundproofing 601xl (John Marzulli)
19. 02:02 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (Tim Juhl)
20. 03:49 PM - Re: Dual throttle (JohnDRead@aol.com)
21. 03:52 PM - Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (mosquito56)
22. 04:03 PM - Engines (mosquito56)
23. 04:03 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (dfmoeller)
24. 04:13 PM - Electronics (mosquito56)
25. 04:49 PM - Re: Electronics (Samm)
26. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: AOA for your Dynon (Tim Shankland)
27. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (Art Olechowski)
28. 05:03 PM - Re: Electronics (Jeff)
29. 06:50 PM - Re: Electronics (mosquito56)
30. 06:53 PM - Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) (smoore)
31. 06:53 PM - Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
32. 06:56 PM - Todd's Canopies (jonaburns)
33. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (Robert Loer)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight |
Here are a few
Paid for a total rework of the original heads where new valve seats were
secured by staking instead of the interference fit of Falcon. Result was to
discard the heads and get a set from Falcon.
Cylinder Honing that I was assured would be done in a compression jig to
avoid out of round condition when the cylinders are compressed during normal
operation after torqueing the heads. Replaced these also.
Replaced Crank for Nitrided Crank. (original was done before it became
standard practice to use Nitrided only.)
Connecting Rods reworked to unacceptable standards at the bearing
surfaces.
Should have used the Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA that WW suggests as the
best choice. (would have saved 6 months of experimenting)
I am not engine savy enough to have reliably discovered items like this
before learning the hard way.
Once again I have to thank William Wynne for everything he has done.
Confidence in my engine is much higher knowing that it has been worked on by
William's team.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight
>
>
> davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > For me I would have been much better off ordering an engine from
William Wynne and not listen to the local experts. My initial ignorance
added to my build time and overall cost. Virtually all of the initial work
had to be redone.
> >
>
>
> If I may ask, what were some of the mistakes...?
>
> I'm currently building a Corvair for the first time, so maybe I could
learn something here.
>
> Any advice or "gotchas" that can help us new guys out...?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135167#135167
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>
> --
11:53 AM
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight |
> Should have used the Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA that WW suggests as the best
choice. (would have saved 6 months of experimenting)
What carb or carbs did you try before the Marvel?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
Let me ask this another way. On the pitot/static probe that Zenith ships the pitot
is one of the tubes and the static is the other and they are connected together
like yours but without the 45 degree bend on the other tube. Also the static
probe end is blocked and there are a 2 or 3 small holes for the port.
I'm wondering if I could drill out the block in the end, fill the small holes and
add the 45 degree angle and use it? It sounds like I could.
This would save a lot of problems, because I've already drilled for the Zenith
mount. And would cost nothing because I've already paid for the zenith p/s probe.
tshankland(at)sbcglobal.n wrote:
>
> 3. It is a duplicate of a standard probe, the only reason I used
> copper is that it was easier to solder them together. You could use the
> existing pitot and add the second probe you just have to fasten them
> together. tie wraps?
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight |
davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Here are a few
Thanks for sharing.
I bet the overall project completion rate is increased considerably by the willingness
of so many people on this list to share their experiences like this.
It sure helps me (and probably a whole bunch of other guys who are thinking about
the same things).
Which will lead to more of us posting our own stories of Near Perfect Flight in
the future... :D
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Last trip for aluminun |
Hello group ,I feel like I have reached a major milestone today .I am
leaving for Houston today to pick the last 5 pieces of aluminum that
will finish my 601XL. One is to replace a ruined bottom rear wing skin .
Trident made me a good price on the .025 4X12 6061-T6 $60.00 each.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester |
Jeff,
Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and
about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there.
Tony Graziano,
Zodiac 601XL; N493TG
Buchanan, Tn
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Subject: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
From: Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM
Zenith Enthusiasts:
It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like the
weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I
have
information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith
Newsletter,
Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more
on
the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter
along
with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traffic
Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to
demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with
identifying Zenith parts is in the mix.
But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In order
to
entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was to
save
money on your trip:
First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the EAA
fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter.
Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - Get 1
Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large selection
of
the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the
Gathering so
you can decide which to buy.
Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay for
some
of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the tanks
of
any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000,
or
Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an
absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane.
Simply
find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many
planes
fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So come on
down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put some
gas
in your tow vehicle.
So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for a
large
turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft!
Jeff Davidson
703-471-1153
<mailto:zenithgathering@earthlink.net> zenithgathering@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester |
Hi Jeff
I am planning on coming to Winchester with my 601HD. I will probably be c
oming Fri evening and leaving late Saturday afternoon. Is there any ground
transportation to get to a motel and back? Are tie downs available? If all
goes as planned, I look forward to meeting you and other Zenith folks. Sou
nds like a good time.
John
From: jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
Zenith Enthusiasts:
It is now less than a week until the
Gathering! It is Iooking like the weather will shape up for a great
weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I have
information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith Newsletter,
Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more on
the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter
along with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traff
ic
Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to
demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with
identifying Zenith parts is in the mix.
But the highlight of the show will be the planes that
fly in. In order to entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged
for some was to save money on your trip:
First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the
Gathering and the EAA fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with t
he
Chapter.
Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me
with coupons to =93Buy 1
DVD - Get 1 Free!=94
That=92s 2 DVDs for the
price of one. I=92ll
have a large selection of the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to
demonstrate at the Gathering so you can decide which to buy.
Third, I have made arrangements with the
airport management to pay for some of your gas. I will be issuing my own
coupons good to top off the tanks of any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 30
0,
640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000, or Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons.
This offer is good up to an absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one
coupon per airplane. Simply find me at the Zenith Gathering tent
for your coupon. If that many planes fly in, I will consider the Five Hund
red
Dollars well spent. So come on down and top off your tanks on me!
If you trailer it in, I=92ll
put some gas in your tow vehicle.
So make you plans to be in Winchester
next weekend. I=92m
hoping for a large turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft!
Jeff Davidson
703-471-1153
zenithgathering@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester |
Hey Tony
Winchester is in VA. WOKV
From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
Jeff,
Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee,
South of Tullahoma and about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is
located there.
Tony Graziano,
Zodiac 601XL; N493TG
Buchanan, Tn
Subject:
Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at
Winchester
From:
Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net)
Date:
Tue Sep 18 - 6:29
PM
Zenith Enthusiasts:
It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like the
weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I have
information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith Newsletter,
Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more on
the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter along
with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traffic
Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to
demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with
identifying Zenith parts is in the mix.
But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In order to
entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was to save
money on your trip:
First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the EAA
fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter.
Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - Get 1
Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large selection of
the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the Gathering s
o
you can decide which to buy.
Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay for some
of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the tanks of
any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000, or
Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an
absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. Simply
find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many planes
fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So come on
down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put some gas
in your tow vehicle.
So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for a large
turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft!
Jeff Davidson
703-471-1153
<mailto:zenithgathering@earthlink.net> zenithgathering@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester |
John,
WOKV is a commercial radio station in Jacksonville, Florida. OKV
(KOKV) is the airport at Winchester, Virginia.
On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, john H wrote:
> Hey Tony
>
> Winchester is in VA. WOKV
>
>> From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net
>> To: zenithgathering@earthlink.net; zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:37 -0500
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and
>> about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there.
>>
>> Tony Graziano,
>> Zodiac 601XL; N493TG
>> Buchanan, Tn
>>
>>
>>> Subject:
>>>
>>> Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
>>> From:
>>>
>>> Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net)
>>> Date:
>>>
>>> Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM
>>>> Zenith Enthusiasts:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like
>>>> the
>>>> weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd.
>>>> I have
>>>> information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith
>>>> Newsletter,
>>>> Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and
>>>> more on
>>>> the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA
>>>> Chapter along
>>>> with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from
>>>> Traffic
>>>> Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area
>>>> to
>>>> demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun
>>>> with
>>>> identifying Zenith parts is in the mix.
>>>>
>>>> But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In
>>>> order to
>>>> entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was
>>>> to save
>>>> money on your trip:
>>>>
>>>> First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the
>>>> EAA
>>>> fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter.
>>>>
>>>> Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD -
>>>> Get 1
>>>> Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large
>>>> selection of
>>>> the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the
>>>> Gathering so
>>>> you can decide which to buy.
>>>>
>>>> Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay
>>>> for some
>>>> of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the
>>>> tanks of
>>>> any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus,
>>>> CH-2000, or
>>>> Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an
>>>> absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane.
>>>> Simply
>>>> find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many
>>>> planes
>>>> fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So
>>>> come on
>>>> down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put
>>>> some gas
>>>> in your tow vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for
>>>> a large
>>>> turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Davidson
>>>>
>>>> 703-471-1153
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:zenithgathering@earthlink.net>
>>>> zenithgathering@earthlink.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester |
oops you are right.it is KOKV is it Friday yet?
> From: alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:23:42 -0400
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
om>
>
> John,
>
> WOKV is a commercial radio station in Jacksonville, Florida. OKV
> (KOKV) is the airport at Winchester, Virginia.
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, john H wrote:
>
> > Hey Tony
> >
> > Winchester is in VA. WOKV
> >
> >> From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net
> >> To: zenithgathering@earthlink.net; zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
> >> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:37 -0500
> >>
> >> Jeff,
> >>
> >> Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and
> >> about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there.
> >>
> >> Tony Graziano,
> >> Zodiac 601XL; N493TG
> >> Buchanan, Tn
> >>
> >>
> >>> Subject:
> >>>
> >>> Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester
> >>> From:
> >>>
> >>> Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net)
> >>> Date:
> >>>
> >>> Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM
> >>>> Zenith Enthusiasts:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like
> >>>> the
> >>>> weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd.
> >>>> I have
> >>>> information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith
> >>>> Newsletter,
> >>>> Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and
> >>>> more on
> >>>> the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA
> >>>> Chapter along
> >>>> with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from
> >>>> Traffic
> >>>> Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area
> >>>> to
> >>>> demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun
> >>>> with
> >>>> identifying Zenith parts is in the mix.
> >>>>
> >>>> But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In
> >>>> order to
> >>>> entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was
> >>>> to save
> >>>> money on your trip:
> >>>>
> >>>> First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the
> >>>> EAA
> >>>> fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD -
> >>>> Get 1
> >>>> Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large
> >>>> selection of
> >>>> the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the
> >>>> Gathering so
> >>>> you can decide which to buy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay
> >>>> for some
> >>>> of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the
> >>>> tanks of
> >>>> any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus,
> >>>> CH-2000, or
> >>>> Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an
> >>>> absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane.
> >>>> Simply
> >>>> find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many
> >>>> planes
> >>>> fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So
> >>>> come on
> >>>> down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put
> >>>> some gas
> >>>> in your tow vehicle.
> >>>>
> >>>> So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for
> >>>> a large
> >>>> turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft!
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeff Davidson
> >>>>
> >>>> 703-471-1153
> >>>>
> >>>> <mailto:zenithgathering@earthlink.net>
> >>>> zenithgathering@earthlink.net
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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I am building a CH-801 with a turbo charged Subaru. I need a dual throttle set-up,
so one can fly from the right or left side. As you know, the "stick" is
a "Y" in the center of the cockpit. There are two sets of rudder pedals. The
pilot needs the "stick" in his/her right hand and the throttle in the left hand.
It is visa-versa for the co-pilot.
Has anyone solved this problem or has any ideas.
Thanks, Jay
Jay F. Caldwell
Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC
4181 Tamilynn Court
San Diego, CA 92122
Voice 858.453.4594
Facsimile 858.452.1560
Work 619.562.0885
Mobile 858.336.0394
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| Subject: | soundproofing 601xl |
i would like to do a bit of soundproofing for the cabin of my 601 - looking for
any suggestions if poss with pics thank you
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing 601xl |
Hi, Alex.
I recently did the same thing to my 601XL, and wrote it up for KITPLANES June 2007
issue.
Bottom line, it's worth it!
Rick Lindstrom
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>From: alex_01 <zoechling@gmx.de>
>Sent: Sep 19, 2007 11:11 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: soundproofing 601xl
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>i would like to do a bit of soundproofing for the cabin of my 601 - looking for
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing 601xl |
There was an article in "Kitplanes" a few months ago about soundproofing a
601XL. The author did a large number of measurements of the sound level at
different stages of the process.
It's a good read and helpful. As a result I ordered some soundproofing
material from Wicks. If you use the 10% Customer Appreciation Discount then
it is a great deal.
Good luck
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"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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The standard 601 drawings shows a very simple throttle bell-crank that has
a two push rods that extends into the cabin for the passenger and the pilot
. This is what I use on my plane. The throttle cable attaches in the midd
le. It is a very simple set up. If the 801 drawings don't show something
similar, I could provide some more info.
The bell crank kind of looks like: _|_________|_|________|_ except it is as
wide as the firewallPhil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
I am building a CH-801 with a turbo charged Subaru. I need a dual throttle
set-up, so one can fly from the right or left side. As you know, the "sti
ck" is a "Y" in the center of the cockpit. There are two sets of rudder pe
dals. The pilot needs the "stick" in his/her right hand and the throttle i
n the left hand. It is visa-versa for the co-pilot.
Has anyone solved this problem or has any ideas.
Thanks, Jay
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing 601xl |
maybe someone can help me with this article (pdf?) as i am here in Germany and
therefore cant get this magazine and i would be very interested to have a better
soundproofing
thanks
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| Subject: | Non-LSA ops limits |
Gang:
If I plan to certify my plane experimental, but not light sport, what
are reasonable values for max gross and G limits?
Also, does anyone know if the CG envelope has any gross weight
dependence? That is, do the CG limits change with load?
Finally, is this information on the ZAC web site somewhere? I couldn't
find it.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing 601xl |
You can "buy" an electronic version of any back issue for $7.50 US.
The issue you want is here: http://kitplanes.com/issues/24_6/
Good luck!
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> maybe someone can help me with this article (pdf?) as i am here in Germany
> and therefore cant get this magazine and i would be very interested to have
> a better soundproofing
>
> thanks
>
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http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Non-LSA ops limits |
You don't have to certify a plane as a LSA in order to fly it as one.... it just
has to meet the requirements.
As to max gross and G limits, I would think you would have to go with those specified
by the designer which would be 1320 lbs and +6 -6 ultimate (although
I've sometimes seen the ultimate - G load given as 3g's.
The info is on the first page of the plans as well as on Zenith's website. I don't
believe there is any change in gross wt limits based upon CG.
Check out http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/specification.html
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle |
USjabiru has a dual throttle set up for the CH701. Although it is for the
Jabiru engine I would think it could be fitted to the CH801 fairly easily.
John Read
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I recieved 2 boxes (12 cans) from aircraftspruce last week. No note that would
be discontinued. I am hoping this will be enogh to complete project.
Any words from Zenith on using the safer version? Don't have the name off the
top of my head sorry.
Don
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I plan on ordering my engine within the next month. I haven't seen this topic for
about a year and thought I would start it again for those of us newbies who
are too lazy to search the archives.
Engine is between Rotax 912 and Jab3300. I own a plane with a Rotax and like
their reliablility but I want the extra speed of the Jab but live in a very hot
area of the country. Any input would be appreciated.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Non-LSA ops limits |
As to the Cg limitation, I asked the guys at Zenith this very question a couple
of months ago. The answer was that the Cg limits do not vary with loading, although
if you do a search on this board, someone posted some English certifications
that did, indeed, vary the Cg limits with weight. This was with the CZAW
built plane though, I believe, and they mount the engine considerably further
forward, or that is my understanding.
Doug
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I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives
but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.
Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics
page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you
have a power out situation.
Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have
gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone?
I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't wany
anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Don
N601NV (Reserved)
601xl finishing wings
South Texas
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If VFR you won't need backups for anything. If you go IFR, depending upon
the equipment and your fear factor, you might want backups.
Samm Munn
CH-601XL(plans)
Corvair
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From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics
> If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost
> effective tone?
> I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I
> don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
Gig,
Sounds like a plan, I have not seen the Zenith pitot, I scratch built my
plane, but it sounds like it should work, the hardest part was pulling
that extra tube through a finished wing.
Tim
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
>Let me ask this another way. On the pitot/static probe that Zenith ships the pitot
is one of the tubes and the static is the other and they are connected together
like yours but without the 45 degree bend on the other tube. Also the static
probe end is blocked and there are a 2 or 3 small holes for the port.
>
>I'm wondering if I could drill out the block in the end, fill the small holes
and add the 45 degree angle and use it? It sounds like I could.
>
>This would save a lot of problems, because I've already drilled for the Zenith
mount. And would cost nothing because I've already paid for the zenith p/s probe.
>
>
>tshankland(at)sbcglobal.n wrote:
>
>
>>3. It is a duplicate of a standard probe, the only reason I used
>>copper is that it was easier to solder them together. You could use the
>>existing pitot and add the second probe you just have to fasten them
>>together. tie wraps?
>>
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>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks |
Zinc-oxide is one alternative.
Art
mosquito56 <mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
I recieved 2 boxes (12 cans) from aircraftspruce last week. No note that would
be discontinued. I am hoping this will be enogh to complete project.
Any words from Zenith on using the safer version? Don't have the name off the top
of my head sorry.
Don
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"Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the
electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the
dangers if you have a power out situation. "
Don,
Just two things to get this started: First, by and large the 601
and 701 are VFR airplanes. Redundancy is usually a concern associated with
IFR craft. In the case of the Dynon EFIS, I bought the backup battery that
is inside the EFIS case. In ground based testing, the EFIS keeps on going
even when all power is removed. According to Dynon, it should run on the
backup battery for 90 minutes. That should be enough time to get on the
ground to sort things out.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD/3300A & all glass panel
First flight real soon now ....
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Thanks, that is good to know I don't have to worry much about backups? What about
night flight? I am installing dual landing lights?
Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the jabiru
site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts?
Don
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| Subject: | Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) |
Hi all,
I've been doing research about AB-EX planes for nearly a year now and was CONVINCED
a Sonex w/Aerovee was MY airplane. I live in CO and figured I could just
use the wonderfully long runways we have here in the USA to overcome any DA problems.
With the FAA restructuring, this may no longer be the case. I'm not
a rich man by any means but have always managed to have "big-boy toys" around...
motorcycles, 4x4's, what have you. However, I sure can't afford to purchase
and fly most any certified aircraft, therefore AB-EX. User fees would be hard
to pay on principle, let alone practical financial means.
Oh, I am a non-pilot who last acted as PIC 22 years ago when I was in high school.
I understand that either the Sonex or just about any Heintz design would
suffice for primary training. Any of the Sonex, 601 or 701 should be enough airplane
for me to enjoy flying for years. The added safety of a STOL configuration
is a bonus. I've read lots of reports of "stupid pilot tricks" and have
thought, "Wow, I could make that mistake!" As far as I understand, there have
been no fatalities in 21 years of CH 701 flying.
So... if I can operate a CH701 from a football field, I figure I can find somewhere
to fly it from for Saturday afternoon fun flights. My mission basically
includes:
- Day/(occasional) Night VFR
- 2up, full fuel, camping gear.
- tie down outside in CO in flying season, trailer able for backyard storage.
- low fuel consumption and *maintenance* costs.
- mainly "sunday flying" with the occasional camping XC
- ability to attend fly-ins
and now possibly....
- off airport operation
- float operation
To the questions:
1 - What's it really like to cruise at 85mph? Obviously you're not going to be
hanging with a group of RV's when going to a pancake breakfast. At 85mph does
that pancake breakfast turn into a pancake lunch?
2 - The Rotax. Good lord are these things expensive. I've looked on Barnstormers
for only a week but there just aren't any 912 or 912s motors available used.
Is there an economical way to get into the Rotax?
2 (supplemental) - I don't mind spending money on my own education ("Rotax school")
nearly as much as spending it on material goods. i.e. I'd be confident in
buying a 1/3 "used up" Rotax and the education required to maintain/troubleshoot/overhaul
it for the same price as a new Rotax *if* the rebuild costs aren't
extreme.
3 - How much is a complete overhaul for the Rotax? How about a top end? I've
seen some really scary unsubstantiated rumors about $3000 cranks for the 912?
That's insanity when I could rebuild a VW four times for that much money.
4 - The alternates. I understand that there are some Corvair CH 701 being built.
Does the designer condone these installations? Being my very first airplane
I'm not really looking to experiment, I want to follow a proven path.
5 - The 801. These things look like an incredible aircraft. 801 proponents, please
feel free to try to convince me to take the extra training and get a medical
to break from the SP regulations! :) I have simply discounted 4-up flight
from my mission for economy.
So anyway, HI! I'll be using the matronics forum to view and participate in this
list.
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Sean Moore
... re-evaluating mission
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if you have a battery Lypo back up like in the Dynon, no need for back ups.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Sep 19, 2007 7:12 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics
>
>
>I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives
but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.
> Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics
page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you
have a power out situation.
> Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have
gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone?
> I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't
wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>Don
>N601NV (Reserved)
>601xl finishing wings
>South Texas
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135372#135372
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I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say something
about it.
It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and arrived without
a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my Door even though I was
warned that they may call me to come pick it up at their station.
The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized and perfectly
molded.
Unlike some suppliers, Todd's was prompt and informative along the way. I never
felt like I needed to call to check on status, because he told me when it would
be ready, and shipped, and it was...
It even came with a nice hat.
Highly recommended!
Jon Burns
601XL - almost halfway done!
Corvair in pieces!
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks |
Great message. Too bad it was blank when it got to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc
Chromate from Wicks
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