---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/19/07: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Gary Ray) 2. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Craig Payne) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Gig Giacona) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (PatrickW) 5. 07:30 AM - Last trip for aluminun (wade jones) 6. 08:34 AM - Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (T. Graziano) 7. 08:34 AM - Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H) 8. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H) 9. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (Al Hays) 10. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester (john H) 11. 10:33 AM - Dual throttle (Jay Caldwell) 12. 11:11 AM - soundproofing 601xl (alex_01) 13. 11:58 AM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (Rick Lindstrom) 14. 11:59 AM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (John Marzulli) 15. 12:58 PM - Re: Dual throttle (Phil Maxson) 16. 01:21 PM - Re: soundproofing 601xl (alex_01) 17. 01:33 PM - Non-LSA ops limits (Dr. Andrew Elliott) 18. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: soundproofing 601xl (John Marzulli) 19. 02:02 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (Tim Juhl) 20. 03:49 PM - Re: Dual throttle (JohnDRead@aol.com) 21. 03:52 PM - Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (mosquito56) 22. 04:03 PM - Engines (mosquito56) 23. 04:03 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (dfmoeller) 24. 04:13 PM - Electronics (mosquito56) 25. 04:49 PM - Re: Electronics (Samm) 26. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: AOA for your Dynon (Tim Shankland) 27. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (Art Olechowski) 28. 05:03 PM - Re: Electronics (Jeff) 29. 06:50 PM - Re: Electronics (mosquito56) 30. 06:53 PM - Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) (smoore) 31. 06:53 PM - Re: Electronics (Juan Vega) 32. 06:56 PM - Todd's Canopies (jonaburns) 33. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (Robert Loer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:23 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight Here are a few Paid for a total rework of the original heads where new valve seats were secured by staking instead of the interference fit of Falcon. Result was to discard the heads and get a set from Falcon. Cylinder Honing that I was assured would be done in a compression jig to avoid out of round condition when the cylinders are compressed during normal operation after torqueing the heads. Replaced these also. Replaced Crank for Nitrided Crank. (original was done before it became standard practice to use Nitrided only.) Connecting Rods reworked to unacceptable standards at the bearing surfaces. Should have used the Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA that WW suggests as the best choice. (would have saved 6 months of experimenting) I am not engine savy enough to have reliably discovered items like this before learning the hard way. Once again I have to thank William Wynne for everything he has done. Confidence in my engine is much higher knowing that it has been worked on by William's team. Gary Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatrickW" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight > > > davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > > For me I would have been much better off ordering an engine from William Wynne and not listen to the local experts. My initial ignorance added to my build time and overall cost. Virtually all of the initial work had to be redone. > > > > > If I may ask, what were some of the mistakes...? > > I'm currently building a Corvair for the first time, so maybe I could learn something here. > > Any advice or "gotchas" that can help us new guys out...? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > 601XL/Corvair > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135167#135167 > > > -- 11:53 AM > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:45 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight > Should have used the Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA that WW suggests as the best choice. (would have saved 6 months of experimenting) What carb or carbs did you try before the Marvel? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: AOA for your Dynon From: "Gig Giacona" Let me ask this another way. On the pitot/static probe that Zenith ships the pitot is one of the tubes and the static is the other and they are connected together like yours but without the 45 degree bend on the other tube. Also the static probe end is blocked and there are a 2 or 3 small holes for the port. I'm wondering if I could drill out the block in the end, fill the small holes and add the 45 degree angle and use it? It sounds like I could. This would save a lot of problems, because I've already drilled for the Zenith mount. And would cost nothing because I've already paid for the zenith p/s probe. tshankland(at)sbcglobal.n wrote: > > 3. It is a duplicate of a standard probe, the only reason I used > copper is that it was easier to solder them together. You could use the > existing pitot and add the second probe you just have to fasten them > together. tie wraps? > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135245#135245 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight From: "PatrickW" davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > Here are a few Thanks for sharing. I bet the overall project completion rate is increased considerably by the willingness of so many people on this list to share their experiences like this. It sure helps me (and probably a whole bunch of other guys who are thinking about the same things). Which will lead to more of us posting our own stories of Near Perfect Flight in the future... :D Patrick 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135253#135253 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:00 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Last trip for aluminun Hello group ,I feel like I have reached a major milestone today .I am leaving for Houston today to pick the last 5 pieces of aluminum that will finish my 601XL. One is to replace a ruined bottom rear wing skin . Trident made me a good price on the .025 4X12 6061-T6 $60.00 each. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:06 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester Jeff, Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there. Tony Graziano, Zodiac 601XL; N493TG Buchanan, Tn ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Subject: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester From: Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net) Date: Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM Zenith Enthusiasts: It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like the weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I have information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith Newsletter, Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more on the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter along with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traffic Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with identifying Zenith parts is in the mix. But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In order to entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was to save money on your trip: First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the EAA fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter. Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - Get 1 Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large selection of the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the Gathering so you can decide which to buy. Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay for some of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the tanks of any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000, or Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. Simply find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many planes fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So come on down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put some gas in your tow vehicle. So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for a large turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft! Jeff Davidson 703-471-1153 zenithgathering@earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:07 AM PST US From: john H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester Hi Jeff I am planning on coming to Winchester with my 601HD. I will probably be c oming Fri evening and leaving late Saturday afternoon. Is there any ground transportation to get to a motel and back? Are tie downs available? If all goes as planned, I look forward to meeting you and other Zenith folks. Sou nds like a good time. John From: jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net Subject: Zenith-List: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester Zenith Enthusiasts: It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like the weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I have information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith Newsletter, Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more on the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter along with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traff ic Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with identifying Zenith parts is in the mix. But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In order to entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was to save money on your trip: First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the EAA fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with t he Chapter. Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to =93Buy 1 DVD - Get 1 Free!=94 That=92s 2 DVDs for the price of one. I=92ll have a large selection of the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the Gathering so you can decide which to buy. Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay for some of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the tanks of any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 30 0, 640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000, or Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. Simply find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many planes fly in, I will consider the Five Hund red Dollars well spent. So come on down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I=92ll put some gas in your tow vehicle. So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I=92m hoping for a large turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft! Jeff Davidson 703-471-1153 zenithgathering@earthlink.net _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:38 AM PST US From: john H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester Hey Tony Winchester is in VA. WOKV From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester Jeff, Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there. Tony Graziano, Zodiac 601XL; N493TG Buchanan, Tn Subject: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester From: Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net) Date: Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM Zenith Enthusiasts: It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like the weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. I have information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith Newsletter, Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and more on the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA Chapter along with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from Traffic Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area to demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun with identifying Zenith parts is in the mix. But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In order to entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was to save money on your trip: First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the EAA fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter. Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - Get 1 Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large selection of the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the Gathering s o you can decide which to buy. Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay for some of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the tanks of any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, CH-2000, or Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. Simply find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many planes fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So come on down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put some gas in your tow vehicle. So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for a large turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft! Jeff Davidson 703-471-1153 zenithgathering@earthlink.net _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever ' Get MORE with Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. ration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:14 AM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester John, WOKV is a commercial radio station in Jacksonville, Florida. OKV (KOKV) is the airport at Winchester, Virginia. On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, john H wrote: > Hey Tony > > Winchester is in VA. WOKV > >> From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net >> To: zenithgathering@earthlink.net; zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester >> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:37 -0500 >> >> Jeff, >> >> Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and >> about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there. >> >> Tony Graziano, >> Zodiac 601XL; N493TG >> Buchanan, Tn >> >> >>> Subject: >>> >>> Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester >>> From: >>> >>> Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net) >>> Date: >>> >>> Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM >>>> Zenith Enthusiasts: >>>> >>>> >>>> It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like >>>> the >>>> weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. >>>> I have >>>> information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith >>>> Newsletter, >>>> Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and >>>> more on >>>> the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA >>>> Chapter along >>>> with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from >>>> Traffic >>>> Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area >>>> to >>>> demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun >>>> with >>>> identifying Zenith parts is in the mix. >>>> >>>> But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In >>>> order to >>>> entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was >>>> to save >>>> money on your trip: >>>> >>>> First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the >>>> EAA >>>> fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter. >>>> >>>> Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - >>>> Get 1 >>>> Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large >>>> selection of >>>> the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the >>>> Gathering so >>>> you can decide which to buy. >>>> >>>> Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay >>>> for some >>>> of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the >>>> tanks of >>>> any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, >>>> CH-2000, or >>>> Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an >>>> absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. >>>> Simply >>>> find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many >>>> planes >>>> fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So >>>> come on >>>> down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put >>>> some gas >>>> in your tow vehicle. >>>> >>>> So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for >>>> a large >>>> turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft! >>>> >>>> Jeff Davidson >>>> >>>> 703-471-1153 >>>> >>>> >>>> zenithgathering@earthlink.net >>> >> >> >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> > > More photos; more messages; more whatever Get MORE with Windows > Live Hotmail. NOW with 5GB > storageTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907' target='_new'>Get more! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:09 AM PST US From: john H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester oops you are right.it is KOKV is it Friday yet? > From: alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:23:42 -0400 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > om> > > John, > > WOKV is a commercial radio station in Jacksonville, Florida. OKV > (KOKV) is the airport at Winchester, Virginia. > > > On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:01 PM, john H wrote: > > > Hey Tony > > > > Winchester is in VA. WOKV > > > >> From: tonyplane@bellsouth.net > >> To: zenithgathering@earthlink.net; zenith-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester > >> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:33:37 -0500 > >> > >> Jeff, > >> > >> Where is Winchester? Is it KBGF in Tennessee, South of Tullahoma and > >> about 60 NM SE of Nashville? EAA chapter 699 is located there. > >> > >> Tony Graziano, > >> Zodiac 601XL; N493TG > >> Buchanan, Tn > >> > >> > >>> Subject: > >>> > >>> Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering at Winchester > >>> From: > >>> > >>> Jeff (jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net) > >>> Date: > >>> > >>> Tue Sep 18 - 6:29 PM > >>>> Zenith Enthusiasts: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It is now less than a week until the Gathering! It is Iooking like > >>>> the > >>>> weather will shape up for a great weekend on the 22nd and the 23rd. > >>>> I have > >>>> information and prizes from HomeBuiltHelp, CAN-ZAC, The Zenith > >>>> Newsletter, > >>>> Zenith Aircraft Company, Aircraft Manufacturing & Development, and > >>>> more on > >>>> the way. The tent and parking area are arranged with the EAA > >>>> Chapter along > >>>> with a brand new Zenith Gathering banner big enough to see from > >>>> Traffic > >>>> Pattern Altitude. The displays are coming along great and an area > >>>> to > >>>> demonstrate sheet metal building Zenith style is too. And some fun > >>>> with > >>>> identifying Zenith parts is in the mix. > >>>> > >>>> But the highlight of the show will be the planes that fly in. In > >>>> order to > >>>> entice as many to fly in as possible, I have arranged for some was > >>>> to save > >>>> money on your trip: > >>>> > >>>> First, there is no fee to fly in and attend the Gathering and the > >>>> EAA > >>>> fly-in. But please do register on your arrival with the Chapter. > >>>> > >>>> Second, HomeBuiltHelp has provided me with coupons to "Buy 1 DVD - > >>>> Get 1 > >>>> Free!" That's 2 DVDs for the price of one. I'll have a large > >>>> selection of > >>>> the HomebuiltHelp and Zenith DVDs on hand to demonstrate at the > >>>> Gathering so > >>>> you can decide which to buy. > >>>> > >>>> Third, I have made arrangements with the airport management to pay > >>>> for some > >>>> of your gas. I will be issuing my own coupons good to top off the > >>>> tanks of > >>>> any Zenith 601, 701, 801, 200, 250, 300, 640, Zipper, Alarus, > >>>> CH-2000, or > >>>> Patriot that flies in up to 10 gallons. This offer is good up to an > >>>> absolute limit of $500 cost to me. Only one coupon per airplane. > >>>> Simply > >>>> find me at the Zenith Gathering tent for your coupon. If that many > >>>> planes > >>>> fly in, I will consider the Five Hundred Dollars well spent. So > >>>> come on > >>>> down and top off your tanks on me! If you trailer it in, I'll put > >>>> some gas > >>>> in your tow vehicle. > >>>> > >>>> So make you plans to be in Winchester next weekend. I'm hoping for > >>>> a large > >>>> turnout of Zenith enthusiasts and aircraft! > >>>> > >>>> Jeff Davidson > >>>> > >>>> 703-471-1153 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> zenithgathering@earthlink.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > >> tp://forums.matronics.com > >> > > > > More photos; more messages; more whatever ' Get MORE with Windows > > Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB > > storageTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907' target='_new'>Get more! > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:49 AM PST US From: Jay Caldwell Subject: Zenith-List: Dual throttle I am building a CH-801 with a turbo charged Subaru. I need a dual throttle set-up, so one can fly from the right or left side. As you know, the "stick" is a "Y" in the center of the cockpit. There are two sets of rudder pedals. The pilot needs the "stick" in his/her right hand and the throttle in the left hand. It is visa-versa for the co-pilot. Has anyone solved this problem or has any ideas. Thanks, Jay Jay F. Caldwell Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC 4181 Tamilynn Court San Diego, CA 92122 Voice 858.453.4594 Facsimile 858.452.1560 Work 619.562.0885 Mobile 858.336.0394 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: soundproofing 601xl From: "alex_01" i would like to do a bit of soundproofing for the cabin of my 601 - looking for any suggestions if poss with pics thank you Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135314#135314 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:02 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: soundproofing 601xl Hi, Alex. I recently did the same thing to my 601XL, and wrote it up for KITPLANES June 2007 issue. Bottom line, it's worth it! Rick Lindstrom -----Original Message----- >From: alex_01 >Sent: Sep 19, 2007 11:11 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: soundproofing 601xl > > >i would like to do a bit of soundproofing for the cabin of my 601 - looking for any suggestions if poss with pics thank you > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135314#135314 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:59 AM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: soundproofing 601xl There was an article in "Kitplanes" a few months ago about soundproofing a 601XL. The author did a large number of measurements of the sound level at different stages of the process. It's a good read and helpful. As a result I ordered some soundproofing material from Wicks. If you use the 10% Customer Appreciation Discount then it is a great deal. Good luck DO NOT ARCHIVE On 9/19/07, alex_01 wrote: > > > i would like to do a bit of soundproofing for the cabin of my 601 - > looking for any suggestions if poss with pics thank you > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135314#135314 > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:18 PM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dual throttle The standard 601 drawings shows a very simple throttle bell-crank that has a two push rods that extends into the cabin for the passenger and the pilot . This is what I use on my plane. The throttle cable attaches in the midd le. It is a very simple set up. If the 801 drawings don't show something similar, I could provide some more info. The bell crank kind of looks like: _|_________|_|________|_ except it is as wide as the firewallPhil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey I am building a CH-801 with a turbo charged Subaru. I need a dual throttle set-up, so one can fly from the right or left side. As you know, the "sti ck" is a "Y" in the center of the cockpit. There are two sets of rudder pe dals. The pilot needs the "stick" in his/her right hand and the throttle i n the left hand. It is visa-versa for the co-pilot. Has anyone solved this problem or has any ideas. Thanks, Jay _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:29 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: soundproofing 601xl From: "alex_01" maybe someone can help me with this article (pdf?) as i am here in Germany and therefore cant get this magazine and i would be very interested to have a better soundproofing thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135337#135337 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:41 PM PST US From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" Subject: Zenith-List: Non-LSA ops limits Gang: If I plan to certify my plane experimental, but not light sport, what are reasonable values for max gross and G limits? Also, does anyone know if the CG envelope has any gross weight dependence? That is, do the CG limits change with load? Finally, is this information on the ZAC web site somewhere? I couldn't find it. Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:08 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: soundproofing 601xl You can "buy" an electronic version of any back issue for $7.50 US. The issue you want is here: http://kitplanes.com/issues/24_6/ Good luck! DO NOT ARCHIVE On 9/19/07, alex_01 wrote: > > > maybe someone can help me with this article (pdf?) as i am here in Germany > and therefore cant get this magazine and i would be very interested to have > a better soundproofing > > thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135337#135337 > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non-LSA ops limits From: "Tim Juhl" You don't have to certify a plane as a LSA in order to fly it as one.... it just has to meet the requirements. As to max gross and G limits, I would think you would have to go with those specified by the designer which would be 1320 lbs and +6 -6 ultimate (although I've sometimes seen the ultimate - G load given as 3g's. The info is on the first page of the plans as well as on Zenith's website. I don't believe there is any change in gross wt limits based upon CG. Check out http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/specification.html Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135346#135346 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:03 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dual throttle USjabiru has a dual throttle set up for the CH701. Although it is for the Jabiru engine I would think it could be fitted to the CH801 fairly easily. John Read do not archive Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks From: "mosquito56" I recieved 2 boxes (12 cans) from aircraftspruce last week. No note that would be discontinued. I am hoping this will be enogh to complete project. Any words from Zenith on using the safer version? Don't have the name off the top of my head sorry. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135367#135367 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Engines From: "mosquito56" I plan on ordering my engine within the next month. I haven't seen this topic for about a year and thought I would start it again for those of us newbies who are too lazy to search the archives. Engine is between Rotax 912 and Jab3300. I own a plane with a Rotax and like their reliablility but I want the extra speed of the Jab but live in a very hot area of the country. Any input would be appreciated. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135370#135370 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Non-LSA ops limits From: "dfmoeller" As to the Cg limitation, I asked the guys at Zenith this very question a couple of months ago. The answer was that the Cg limits do not vary with loading, although if you do a search on this board, someone posted some English certifications that did, indeed, vary the Cg limits with weight. This was with the CZAW built plane though, I believe, and they mount the engine considerably further forward, or that is my understanding. Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135371#135371 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics From: "mosquito56" I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl. Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you have a power out situation. Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone? I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Don N601NV (Reserved) 601xl finishing wings South Texas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135372#135372 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:15 PM PST US From: "Samm" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electronics If VFR you won't need backups for anything. If you go IFR, depending upon the equipment and your fear factor, you might want backups. Samm Munn CH-601XL(plans) Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: "mosquito56" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics > If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost > effective tone? > I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I > don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind. > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:20 PM PST US From: Tim Shankland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: AOA for your Dynon Gig, Sounds like a plan, I have not seen the Zenith pitot, I scratch built my plane, but it sounds like it should work, the hardest part was pulling that extra tube through a finished wing. Tim Gig Giacona wrote: > >Let me ask this another way. On the pitot/static probe that Zenith ships the pitot is one of the tubes and the static is the other and they are connected together like yours but without the 45 degree bend on the other tube. Also the static probe end is blocked and there are a 2 or 3 small holes for the port. > >I'm wondering if I could drill out the block in the end, fill the small holes and add the 45 degree angle and use it? It sounds like I could. > >This would save a lot of problems, because I've already drilled for the Zenith mount. And would cost nothing because I've already paid for the zenith p/s probe. > > >tshankland(at)sbcglobal.n wrote: > > >>3. It is a duplicate of a standard probe, the only reason I used >>copper is that it was easier to solder them together. You could use the >>existing pitot and add the second probe you just have to fasten them >>together. tie wraps? >> >> >> >> > > >-------- >W.R. "Gig" Giacona >601XL Under Construction >See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135245#135245 > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:42 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks Zinc-oxide is one alternative. Art mosquito56 wrote: I recieved 2 boxes (12 cans) from aircraftspruce last week. No note that would be discontinued. I am hoping this will be enogh to complete project. Any words from Zenith on using the safer version? Don't have the name off the top of my head sorry. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135367#135367 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:18 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Electronics "Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you have a power out situation. " Don, Just two things to get this started: First, by and large the 601 and 701 are VFR airplanes. Redundancy is usually a concern associated with IFR craft. In the case of the Dynon EFIS, I bought the backup battery that is inside the EFIS case. In ground based testing, the EFIS keeps on going even when all power is removed. According to Dynon, it should run on the backup battery for 90 minutes. That should be enough time to get on the ground to sort things out. Jeff Davidson CH 601 HD/3300A & all glass panel First flight real soon now .... ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics From: "mosquito56" Thanks, that is good to know I don't have to worry much about backups? What about night flight? I am installing dual landing lights? Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135403#135403 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) From: "smoore" Hi all, I've been doing research about AB-EX planes for nearly a year now and was CONVINCED a Sonex w/Aerovee was MY airplane. I live in CO and figured I could just use the wonderfully long runways we have here in the USA to overcome any DA problems. With the FAA restructuring, this may no longer be the case. I'm not a rich man by any means but have always managed to have "big-boy toys" around... motorcycles, 4x4's, what have you. However, I sure can't afford to purchase and fly most any certified aircraft, therefore AB-EX. User fees would be hard to pay on principle, let alone practical financial means. Oh, I am a non-pilot who last acted as PIC 22 years ago when I was in high school. I understand that either the Sonex or just about any Heintz design would suffice for primary training. Any of the Sonex, 601 or 701 should be enough airplane for me to enjoy flying for years. The added safety of a STOL configuration is a bonus. I've read lots of reports of "stupid pilot tricks" and have thought, "Wow, I could make that mistake!" As far as I understand, there have been no fatalities in 21 years of CH 701 flying. So... if I can operate a CH701 from a football field, I figure I can find somewhere to fly it from for Saturday afternoon fun flights. My mission basically includes: - Day/(occasional) Night VFR - 2up, full fuel, camping gear. - tie down outside in CO in flying season, trailer able for backyard storage. - low fuel consumption and *maintenance* costs. - mainly "sunday flying" with the occasional camping XC - ability to attend fly-ins and now possibly.... - off airport operation - float operation To the questions: 1 - What's it really like to cruise at 85mph? Obviously you're not going to be hanging with a group of RV's when going to a pancake breakfast. At 85mph does that pancake breakfast turn into a pancake lunch? 2 - The Rotax. Good lord are these things expensive. I've looked on Barnstormers for only a week but there just aren't any 912 or 912s motors available used. Is there an economical way to get into the Rotax? 2 (supplemental) - I don't mind spending money on my own education ("Rotax school") nearly as much as spending it on material goods. i.e. I'd be confident in buying a 1/3 "used up" Rotax and the education required to maintain/troubleshoot/overhaul it for the same price as a new Rotax *if* the rebuild costs aren't extreme. 3 - How much is a complete overhaul for the Rotax? How about a top end? I've seen some really scary unsubstantiated rumors about $3000 cranks for the 912? That's insanity when I could rebuild a VW four times for that much money. 4 - The alternates. I understand that there are some Corvair CH 701 being built. Does the designer condone these installations? Being my very first airplane I'm not really looking to experiment, I want to follow a proven path. 5 - The 801. These things look like an incredible aircraft. 801 proponents, please feel free to try to convince me to take the extra training and get a medical to break from the SP regulations! :) I have simply discounted 4-up flight from my mission for economy. So anyway, HI! I'll be using the matronics forum to view and participate in this list. -------- -- Sean Moore ... re-evaluating mission Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135405#135405 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:44 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electronics if you have a battery Lypo back up like in the Dynon, no need for back ups. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: mosquito56 >Sent: Sep 19, 2007 7:12 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics > > >I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl. > Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you have a power out situation. > Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone? > I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind. > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. >Don >N601NV (Reserved) >601xl finishing wings >South Texas > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135372#135372 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Todd's Canopies From: "jonaburns" I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say something about it. It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and arrived without a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my Door even though I was warned that they may call me to come pick it up at their station. The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized and perfectly molded. Unlike some suppliers, Todd's was prompt and informative along the way. I never felt like I needed to call to check on status, because he told me when it would be ready, and shipped, and it was... It even came with a nice hat. Highly recommended! Jon Burns 601XL - almost halfway done! Corvair in pieces! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135408#135408 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1_569.jpg ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:42 PM PST US From: "Robert Loer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks Great message. 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