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1. 01:10 AM - Re: Engines (jetboy)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (ZodieRocket)
3. 04:51 AM - Dual stick (Brett Hanley)
4. 05:20 AM - Re:Engines (Joe Spencer)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) (Paul Mulwitz)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Engines (T. Graziano)
7. 06:49 AM - Jim Pensinger (ZodieRocket)
8. 07:11 AM - Re: Todd's Canopies ()
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Electronics (GLENN JOHNSON)
10. 08:11 AM - Re: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) (Clyde Barcus)
11. 09:15 AM - Zenith OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering: Sept. 29 - Updated Schedule (Zenith Aircraft Co.)
12. 10:00 AM - Re: Electronics (japhillipsga@aol.com)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Craig Payne)
14. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Jeff Davidson)
15. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Electronics ()
16. 12:18 PM - 601XL Rotax 912S Battery Placement (mike macleod)
17. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Torque Chart (japhillipsga@aol.com)
18. 12:54 PM - Re: 601XL Rotax 912S Battery Placement (japhillipsga@aol.com)
19. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Torque Chart (Jim Machin)
20. 12:57 PM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Malcolm Hunt)
21. 01:07 PM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Dave Nixon)
22. 01:38 PM - Re: Battery cable size (Zed Smith)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Torque Chart (Geoff Heap)
24. 01:49 PM - Re: Battery cable size (Geoff Heap)
25. 02:31 PM - Re: Electronics (Geoff Heap)
26. 03:01 PM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Gig Giacona)
27. 03:12 PM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Maarten Versteeg)
28. 03:17 PM - Re: Engines (jetboy)
29. 03:34 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits ()
30. 03:59 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (smoore)
31. 04:00 PM - Re: Todd's Canopies (jonaburns)
32. 04:02 PM - Re: Non-LSA ops limits (smoore)
33. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Todd's Canopies (Robin Bellach)
34. 05:00 PM - Scammers (robert stone)
35. 05:54 PM - Re: Todd's Canopies (Dave Thompson)
36. 06:07 PM - Re: Scammers (Robin Bellach)
37. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (Art Olechowski)
38. 06:30 PM - Re: Scammers (Southern Reflections)
39. 06:37 PM - Re: Scammers (Mike)
40. 07:37 PM - New addition to the Garangar (Ron Lendon)
41. 07:43 PM - Re: Scammers (Robin Bellach)
42. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Engines (Graeme)
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Don, quite a lot has changed in the last year.
I have to assume your aircraft is a 601XL; if so the current engine choice has
moved from the original 3300 that the XL was designed to accomodate, thru the
912S to Continental 0-200. All of these are fit for purpose with the 0-200 having
the best track record. Around here the 912 hasnt been that reliable, but
most operators tend to stay with them, possibly because changing the installation
and prop to something else is a big project. You can't have it both ways.
The 3300 folks in USA have well developed installations and support for Zenairs,
you probably need to visit them if youre anywhere handy first.
Ralph
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www.sensornetics.com the cheapest and nicest panel we sell, cost for
value wise. I have two installed in my 701. For the 601 I had installed
a Dynon and I am very happy with that unit.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mosquito56
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
<mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
Thanks, that is good to know I don't have to worry much about backups?
What about night flight? I am installing dual landing lights?
Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles,
But the jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000.
THoughts?
Don
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9/18/2007 11:53 AM
9/18/2007 11:53 AM
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This is not a problem. People look at the Y stick and side mounted throttle and
some just think it is problematic because it is different. It takes about five
miniutes to get used to.
Brett
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Time: 10:33:49 AM PST US
From: Jay Caldwell <caldwelljf@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Dual throttle
I am building a CH-801 with a turbo charged Subaru. I need a dual
throttle set-up,
so one can fly from the right or left side. As you know, the "stick"
is
a "Y" in the center of the cockpit. There are two sets of rudder
pedals. The
pilot needs the "stick" in his/her right hand and the throttle in the
left hand.
It is visa-versa for the co-pilot.
Has anyone solved this problem or has any ideas.
Thanks, Jay
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Ralph
I'm curious to know more about the reliability of the 912 in your
area-could you tell us more?
thanks
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) |
Hi Sean,
I would normally reply off-list for this kind of question. However,
my first reply may be of interest to others. If you want to continue
corresponding with me over this question, please write directly to me.
I have two big suggestions for you. The first is to evaluate the
MISSION you have for an airplane. The second is to forget using a
home built airplane for your own primary pilot training.
There are many different ways a person might use an
airplane. However, at this stage they break down into two
conflicting choices. The question is do you want to fly around in
the local area and possibly make use of your back yard or some other
small airfield or do you want to fly long distances economically. A
CH701 is designed to operate from very short and possibly soft
fields. It is a poor choice for long distance travel. The CH801 is
a very similar plane, from the mission standpoint, but has 4 seats
instead of 2. A CH601XL, the current version of a Zodiac, is a fine
cross country flyer with severe limits in the number of seats and
baggage allowance. It must be operated from real airports, but
doesn't require as much runway as larger certified planes. Grass
runways are fine for the XL, but they need to be long and smooth
compared to the needs for the 701. I am not aware of any low to
moderate cost plane design that can really fill both missions
described above well.
If you are not yet a pilot, you probably don't really know which of
the above missions you prefer to conquer. There are many other
things you might learn as you learn to fly. Each airplane design
flies significantly differently from all other airplane
designs. This is significant to experienced pilots and generally
unknown to non-pilots. Before spending a lot of money and time on
your own plane it is very sensible to try it out first and see how it
fits your own personal tastes.
Building your own airplane with the idea you will use it for primary
pilot training has lots of problems. The first, and perhaps most
significant, is that you can't perform the test described above. If
you are not already a pilot, you can't fly a candidate airplane to
see if you like it or not.
Perhaps the other big problem with building a plane to use for
primary training is you won't be able to do the test flights for the
plane. Before a plane can be used for "Fun" flying it must go
through a rigorous and LONG test program. This can take a minimum of
40 hours of flight and might take longer. Before completing this
"Phase I" flight test program, the plane can't be used for flight
training or anything else. So not only can't you do the flight
testing, you will need to find someone else to do the first year or
so of flying in the airplane you just spent several years
building. Only after the testing is complete can you start your own
pilot training. Then you might find it impossible to get any
licensed instructor to fly in your experimental plane and teach you to fly.
The bottom line of all this is that I think you should consider doing
your pilot training in rented airplanes. You can find such planes at
nearly any airport and also find instructors willing and able to
teach you in them. Today, they will probably be older certified
planes such as Cessnas and Pipers. In the (hopefully) near future
you will be able to train in Light Sport Airplanes as they become
available in your local area. You may be able to save a little on
the rental fees for these planes but probably not very much. The
reason is they are mostly brand new airplanes while the other ones
are typically at least 30 years old. When it comes time to buy your
own plane, the LSA choice becomes more practical. You can get a new
LSA for around $100,000 or build your own from a kit for around half
that price.
I wish you luck in your flying adventure.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 06:53 PM 9/19/2007, you wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've been doing research about AB-EX planes for nearly a year now
>and was CONVINCED a Sonex w/Aerovee was MY airplane. I live in CO
>and figured I could just use the wonderfully long runways we have
>here in the USA to overcome any DA problems. With the FAA
>restructuring, this may no longer be the case. I'm not a rich man
>by any means but have always managed to have "big-boy toys"
>around... motorcycles, 4x4's, what have you. However, I sure can't
>afford to purchase and fly most any certified aircraft, therefore
>AB-EX. User fees would be hard to pay on principle, let alone
>practical financial means.
>
>Oh, I am a non-pilot who last acted as PIC 22 years ago when I was
>in high school. I understand that either the Sonex or just about
>any Heintz design would suffice for primary training. Any of the
>Sonex, 601 or 701 should be enough airplane for me to enjoy flying
>for years. The added safety of a STOL configuration is a
>bonus. I've read lots of reports of "stupid pilot tricks" and have
>thought, "Wow, I could make that mistake!" As far as I understand,
>there have been no fatalities in 21 years of CH 701 flying.
>
>So... if I can operate a CH701 from a football field, I figure I can
>find somewhere to fly it from for Saturday afternoon fun
>flights. My mission basically includes:
>
>- Day/(occasional) Night VFR
>- 2up, full fuel, camping gear.
>- tie down outside in CO in flying season, trailer able for backyard storage.
>- low fuel consumption and *maintenance* costs.
>- mainly "sunday flying" with the occasional camping XC
>- ability to attend fly-ins
>
>and now possibly....
>
>- off airport operation
>- float operation
>
>
>To the questions:
>
>1 - What's it really like to cruise at 85mph? Obviously you're not
>going to be hanging with a group of RV's when going to a pancake
>breakfast. At 85mph does that pancake breakfast turn into a pancake lunch?
>
>2 - The Rotax. Good lord are these things expensive. I've looked
>on Barnstormers for only a week but there just aren't any 912 or
>912s motors available used. Is there an economical way to get into
>the Rotax?
>
>2 (supplemental) - I don't mind spending money on my own education
>("Rotax school") nearly as much as spending it on material
>goods. i.e. I'd be confident in buying a 1/3 "used up" Rotax and
>the education required to maintain/troubleshoot/overhaul it for the
>same price as a new Rotax *if* the rebuild costs aren't extreme.
>
>3 - How much is a complete overhaul for the Rotax? How about a top
>end? I've seen some really scary unsubstantiated rumors about $3000
>cranks for the 912? That's insanity when I could rebuild a VW four
>times for that much money.
>
>4 - The alternates. I understand that there are some Corvair CH 701
>being built. Does the designer condone these installations? Being
>my very first airplane I'm not really looking to experiment, I want
>to follow a proven path.
>
>5 - The 801. These things look like an incredible aircraft. 801
>proponents, please feel free to try to convince me to take the extra
>training and get a medical to break from the SP regulations! :) I
>have simply discounted 4-up flight from my mission for economy.
>
>So anyway, HI! I'll be using the matronics forum to view and
>participate in this list.
>
>--------
>--
>Sean Moore
>... re-evaluating mission
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Don,
I chose the Jab3300 for my XL and now have 290 flight hours on it in the
past two years. I have not had any problems or issues with the Jab
engine* or any problems with support from Jabiru USA. The exception is
that during hot weather, in the 90ies, I can not hold low airspeed, full
- power for a long period without approaching or going redline on my
CHT. That said, the latest Jab 3300 engines have among other
improvements, better cooling with more fin area. The engine is easy to
work on and the effort required for the recommended preventative
maintenance is easy.
*I did have to replace a failed oil pressure sender a few months ago
(bought replacement cheap at local NAPA auto parts store).
Failure mode was that it showed high oil pressure, even when the engine
was shut down.
Other than HP and low weight relative to HP, two of the main reasons I
chose the Jab over the Rotax were:
1. It sounds like an airplane engine and is smooth. No gear box whine
because it is direct drive. (I know -- not a really GOOD reason, but I
do hear, "That engine sure sounds nice- what is it?) and
2. It can use a continuous diet of 100LL (usually found at all airports)
or hi-octane MOGAS (usually found at all service stations cheaper that
AVGAS , but not at most airports), or any combination of MOGAS/AVGAS. I
believe the Rotax recommends MOGAS, with AVGAS sparingly, if that is
only what is available. I usually fly MOGAS, but keep AVGAS only in my
outboard aux tanks because of its better ageing stability, since I
rarely use the outboards except on long flights. I also burn off any
fresh gas in them down just enough to keep the fuel lines wet.
As far as the Jab firewall forward kit for the XL, it was complete and
of really good quality. One instrument I bought with the FWF kit from
Jab, that I really like, is the Grand Rapids Engine Information
System. Ref: http://www.grtavionics.com/
Would I go again with the Jab? - sure would!
Tony Graziano
601XL; N493TG
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Subject: Engines
From: mosquito56 (mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM)
Date: Wed Sep 19 - 4:03 PM
I plan on ordering my engine within the next month. I haven't seen this
topic for
about a year and thought I would start it again for those of us newbies
who
are too lazy to search the archives.
Engine is between Rotax 912 and Jab3300. I own a plane with a Rotax
and like
their reliablility but I want the extra speed of the Jab but live in a
very hot
area of the country. Any input would be appreciated.
Don
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Jim Pensinger, please send me an E-Mail offline at HYPERLINK
"mailto:pensinger@can-zacaviation.com"pensinger@can-zacaviation.com
Mark
9/19/2007 3:59 PM
9/19/2007 3:59 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
Glad you had a good experience with Todd's. I've bought two canopies
from him (don't ask me why) and both were on time. So far the hat is
the only thing I haven't screwed up.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: jonaburns<mailto:lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Todd's Canopies
<lsapilot@hotmail.com<mailto:lsapilot@hotmail.com>>
I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say
something about it.
It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and
arrived without a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my
Door even though I was warned that they may call me to come pick it up
at their station.
The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized
and perfectly molded.
Unlike some suppliers, Todd's was prompt and informative along the
way. I never felt like I needed to call to check on status, because he
told me when it would be ready, and shipped, and it was...
It even came with a nice hat.
Highly recommended!
Jon Burns
601XL - almost halfway done!
Corvair in pieces!
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FOR GYRO INSTRUMENT CHECK OUT AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. I AM USING A DYNON ONLY FOR
FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS, ENGINE USES STEAM GUAGES
GLENN> Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics> From: mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM> Da
te: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:12:57 -0700> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Z
enith-List message posted by: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56@hotmail.com>> > I h
ave only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives
but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.> Efis
versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics pag
e about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you
have a power out situation. > Most of the info here seems to be use the ef
is with gyro backups. If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, spe
aking in a cost effective tone?> I can't seem to get any info on where I ca
n buy gyro instruments. I don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is wh
at I have in mind.> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.> Don>
N601NV (Reserved)> 601xl finishing wings> South Texas> > > > > Read this t
opic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135372#1
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long) |
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
Hendersonville, TN
Hi Paul,
I think a lot of people have questions in this area and for the most part I
agree with what you said. However, things are changing rapidly, especially
it regards to instructors. Check out the EAA web site and go to Sport Pilot
Instructors, you will find a lot of instructors listed by state that are
willing to instruct in experimental airplanes. I have talked with a couple
of them and discussed the possibility of flight testing my airplane. One of
them lives reasonably close and he is willing to flight test my airplane for
the same amount as he charges for flight instruction, which is $40.00 per
hour. In regards to the 40 hours, that depends on the engine and prop choice
and the DAR. It can be as little as 25 hours, especially if it is a
certified engine. Your point about training within the 40 hours (or 25
hours) is correct, but I am willing to bet you won't have a problem finding
a very experienced pilot in your local EAA chapter that would be willing to
fly off time after the initial test flights, especially if you are supplying
fuel.
Regards:
Clyde
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Reconsideration of mission + intro (long)
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> I would normally reply off-list for this kind of question. However, my
> first reply may be of interest to others. If you want to continue
> corresponding with me over this question, please write directly to me.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering: Sept. 29 - Updated |
Schedule
Zenith Aircraft Company's
OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering
Saturday, September 29, 2007
Mexico Memorial Airport, Mexico, Missouri
Updated Schedule:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007.html
Zenith Aircraft Company's 16th annual OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering
is scheduled for Saturday, September 29, 2007, at the factory located at
Mexico Memorial Airport in Mexico, Missouri. Aviation enthusiasts,
especially builders and owners of Zenith Aircraft kit planes, are invited to
drive or fly-in for the day.
The Zenith Aircraft kit production facilities will be open for factory tours
and Zenith's factory-demonstrator kit aircraft will be on display. Company
staff will demonstrate kit production and fabrication techniques used in
producing the all-metal kit aircraft parts made at the Zenith Aircraft
factory.
With our new fall Open Hangar / Fly-In Gathering schedule, we have planned a
series of hands-on informational workshops for existing owners and builders,
as well as new and potential builders. Starting on Friday afternoon, some
of our scheduled activities include:
Jabiru engine workshop, presented by Jabiru USA
1:00 - 4:00 pm., Friday, September 28
Hosted by Pete Krotje, owner and director of Jabiru USA, this informative
workshop will cover everything you've always wanted to know about operating
and maintaining the popular Jabiru 3300 engine. Pete will also explain the
engine installation using Jabiru USA's complete firewall-forward accessories
package, including engine mount and engine positioning, fuel and oil lines
(plumbing), filters and pumps, throttle, carb heat, and mixture controls,
baffles, air hoses and boxes, mufflers and exhaust systems, electrical
wiring, cowlings, propeller, etc. Pete will also discuss maintenance and
operation issues specific to the Jabiru engine.
Group size is limited - prior registration is required.
Scratch-building basics for Zenith Aircraft designs, by Mark Townsend
1:00 - 4:00 pm., Friday, September 28
If you've always been intrigued about building your own aircraft from just a
set of blueprints and forming all the parts yourself, this hands-on workshop
is for you! Hosted by Mark Townsend of Can-Zac Aviation (Zenith Aircraft's
Canadian representative), this workshop covers the skills, materials, tools
and commitment that is required to accomplish the feat of plans-building
your own aircraft, whether the STOL CH 701 or Zodiac XL, for less than
$10,000 (not counting the engine). Topics include: Reading and
understanding the drawings and manuals, making rib form blocks, cutting the
sheet metal rib blanks, deburring and polishing techniques, rib forming,
tips, tricks and techniques, and more. Even if you never plan to scratch
build your own airplane, this workshop will provide you with a wealth of
useful hands-on information. Since the workshop is held at the Zenith
Aircraft factory, participants will also be able to compare scratch-building
to kit building an aircraft.
Group size is limited - prior registration is required.
Dinner:
Historical Society Fish & Chicken Fry
4:00 - 8:00 pm, Friday, September 28, $8.00 a plate
Kettle fried catfish fillets, chicken strips, homemade potato chips, cole
slaw, tea and lemonade on the beautiful courtyard of the Audrain County
Historical Society Museum Complex. No prior registration required.
///
Saturday, September 29, Events and Activities:
The Zenith Aircraft factory will be open from 8:00 am - 3:00 pm for
self-guided factory tours, demonstrations, and more, throughout the day.
9:00 am & 2:00 pm - S.T.O.L. Flying, presented by Christopher Desmond &
Michael Heintz
At the morning session, Christopher will lead an informational 'how-to'
flying seminar for builders and pilots, and will share how he safely
maximizes the performance and utility of his Zenith STOL kitplane. The
morning session will be followed at 2:00 pm with a narrated flight
demonstration by Michael Heintz in the factory-demonstrator STOL CH 701.
Christopher Desmond has logged over 500 hours of flying time in his personal
STOL CH 701 over the last two years. Michael Heintz, eldest son of designer
Chris Heintz and owner of Quality Sport Planes of northern California, has
been flying the STOL CH 701 since the prototype first flew in 1986. Both
have been working on producing DVDs featuring the STOL CH 701 in
back-country applications. In recent years, they have demonstrated the
exceptional short take-off and landing capabilities of the STOL at the
Oshkosh, Sun'n Fun, Arlington and Copperstate fly-ins.
10:00 am - Group Photo.
Group Photo in front of the Zenith Aircraft factory, including a line-up of
all Zenith aircraft flown in for the fly-in gathering as well as the
participants of the Open Hangar day. If you plan on flying in your Zenith,
don't miss the Group Photo at 10:00 am!
11:00 am - Sport Pilot / Light Sport Aircraft, presented by Earl Downs.
Zodiac builder and aviation writer Earl Downs will informally present
"everything you've always wanted to know about the FAA's new Sport Pilot
certificate." Earl Downs is a well-known aviation writer and publisher, and
is one of the best resources available for Sport Pilot. Earl started flying
more that 50 years ago and progressed to become an airline transport-rated
pilot and served with the training department of a major airline for 23
years. He has logged thousands of hours flying and instructing in light
airplanes and is a recognized aviation writer with EAA Sport Pilot and AOPA
Flight Training magazines. In 2004 he co-wrote the popular book titled "The
Complete Idiot's Guide to Sport Flying" and is the current publisher and
owner of The Oklahoma Aviator.
1:00 pm - Registering your Homebuilt Aircraft, presented by Jon Croke.
If you've viewed a how-to DVD from HomebuiltHelp.com, you're already
familiar with Jon Croke, the producer of the popular series of instructional
material on building your own Zenith airplane. Jon is a skilled presenter,
and will walk you through each step required to successfully license your
experimental amateur homebuilt aircraft with the FAA. This presentation
promises to be both informative and entertaining.
2:00 pm - S.T.O.L. Flying, presented by Michael Heintz & Christopher Desmond
The afternoon "S.T.O.L. Flying" session will include a narrated flight
demonstration of the factory demonstrator STOL CH 701 with the new Rotax
912S engine installation. Come and see Michael demonstrate the aircraft's
extreme short take-off and landing capabilities as well as examples of CH
701 slow flight and maneuverability.
Activities and displays throughout the day:
. Builder Assistance Centers / Quick-Build Kit Distributors: Flight
Crafters / Zenith Distributing (Zephyrhills, Florida), Quality Sport Planes
(northern California), Silver Sky Aviation (Chandler, Arizona) and now
Jerrich Aircraft Company (Dallas, Texas) offer professional builder
assistance facilities, as well as Quick Build Kits for both the Zodiac XL
and the STOL CH 701. Whether you're a builder who needs the workshop space
and/or expertise to help finish an existing kit project, or whether you want
to complete your project in just a few months, representatives will be on
hand to discuss their services.
. Jabiru engines: Pete Krotje / Jabiru USA will be on hand to show you why
the Jabiru 3300 engine is the powerplant of choice for most Zodiac XL
builders, and he will be available to answer your engine installation,
operation, and maintenance questions.
. HomebuiltHelp.com offers a complete line of "how-to" videos available on
DVD, and will have the DVDs available for preview and purchase. Some of the
popular titles include: Metalworking101 with Rudder Workshop, Rotax 912
Installation Tips & Techniques, Weight & Balance101 for Homebuilts,
Electrical Wiring101 for your Homebuilt Aircraft, How to License your
Homebuilt Aircraft, Scratch Building Basics for Metal Aircraft, and more.
HomebuiltHelp.com also offers a full series of DVDs on building the STOL CH
701 kit aircraft, and the all-new Zodiac XL Quick-build Tips & Techniques
DVD.
. Can-Zac Aviation of Ontario, Canada, manufactures the full line of Zenair
floats designed by Chris Heintz. Can-Zac Aviation is also the Canadian
distributor for Zenith Aircraft kits and Quick-Build Kits.
. Customer Projects: Existing Zenith Aircraft builders and owners enjoy
sharing information and details about building and flying their aircraft,
and will be available to discuss construction, finishing (paint, upholstery,
avionics, alternative engines, etc.) and flying their aircraft creations.
Builders and pilots: Bring your photos to share with fellow builders, and
let us know if you would like some indoor space for a display or
presentation.
Kit aircraft fabrication demonstrations:
. Cutting and pre-drilling kit parts on the CNC router:
. Forming and hand finishing wing ribs and other kit parts
. Aircraft aluminum welding demonstrations
. We'll also have complete aircraft kits, parts, and Quick-Build Kits on
hand to view.
Food and refreshments: Local EAA chapter 1225 will provide a complimentary
hot lunch at noon on Saturday, September 29, sponsored by Zenith Aircraft
Company.
Zenith will also have complimentary coffee and donuts available in the
morning.
Note to builders: Builders can arrange to pick-up parts at the Open Hangar
Day if the parts have been ordered, paid for and confirmed prior to the Open
Hangar Day.
Owners of completed Zenith Aircraft are encouraged to fly-in for the
activities and to show off their completed project to fellow builders (we
will provide tie-down space and help facilitate ground transportation if
possible). Let us know of any special needs or requirements.
Builders and Pilots:
Please pre-register for the Open Hangar Day and Fly-In Gathering.
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007-register.html
There is no charge to attend the Open Hangar Day or related events. Please
note that all events are subject to change or cancellation. Please contact
us if you have ideas, requests or capabilities to make the fall 2007 Open
Hangar and Fly-In Gathering both a fun and educational event.
Accommodations: Due to the large number of visitors to Mexico on September
29, local hotels have already filled up quickly. However, there are more
hotels in the general area, as well as camping sites. Check the Zenith
website for additional information on accommodations.
The Audrain County Historical Society is hosting "Walk Back in Time" on
September 28 through September 30, 2007, at the historical society's complex
in Mexico, Missouri, with seven themed historical camps in a unique reverse
timeline.
For more information on attending the Open Hangar Day, please call Zenith
Aircraft at (573) 581-9000 or the Mexico Airport at (573) 581-0162.
Links:
Online Open Hangar Day Information:
http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007.html
Online Registration Form: http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2007-register.html
Print:
2007 OPEN HANGAR DAY and Fly-In Gathering Schedule of Events:
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/oh2007-text.pdf
Zenith Aircraft Company
Mexico Memorial Airport, 5710 E. Liberty
Mexico, Missouri 65265
Tel. 573-581-9000 (Mon. - Fri.)
e-mail: info@zenithair.com
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Glenn, which Dynon are you using ? I'm building an RV-8a and nearing the sel
ection of instrument phase. Thanks, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: GLENN JOHNSON <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:25 am
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Electronics
FOR GYRO INSTRUMENT CHECK OUT AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.=C2- I AM USING A DYNON ONLY
FOR FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS, ENGINE USES STEAM GUAGES
=C2-
GLENN
> Subject: Zenith-List: Electronics
> From: mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:12:57 -0700
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the arch
ives but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.
> Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electric
s page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if
you have a power out situation.
> Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I hav
e gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone?
> I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't
wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Don
> N601NV (Reserved)
> 601xl finishing wings
> South Texas
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Don't forget MGL's Stratomaster line of glass panels:
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
www.stratomaster.com
Enigma, Odyssey and Voyager (5 inch, 10 inch and 7 inch screens,
respectively) all support external back-up batteries.
-- Craig
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do not archive
I will have the Sensornetics DVD to view at the Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering this
weekend if you would like to see it.
Jeff Davidson
-----Original Message-----
>From: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2007 7:25 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>www.sensornetics.com the cheapest and nicest panel we sell, cost for
>value wise. I have two installed in my 701. For the 601 I had installed
>a Dynon and I am very happy with that unit.
>
>Mark Townsend
>Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>president@can-zacaviation.com
>www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mosquito56
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:49 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
><mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
>
>Thanks, that is good to know I don't have to worry much about backups?
>What about night flight? I am installing dual landing lights?
>
>Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles,
>But the jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000.
>THoughts?
>
>Don
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>9/18/2007 11:53 AM
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>9/18/2007 11:53 AM
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While we're at it, builders should consider the AF-3400 and AF-3500 units from
Advanced Flight Systems. The 3400 has a 6.5" diagonal screen, the 3500 has an
8.4 " diagonal screen. Both are available as an EFIS unit, an EIS unit or as a
combo. When two units are installed, they are combine-able and swap-able via
ethernet link. Both offer internal battery backup and they datalog to an SD card
accessible in the panel face of the units.No need for a laptop in the right
seat.
Dred
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| Subject: | 601XL Rotax 912S Battery Placement |
List:
I could not find a reference to this in the archives.
I had planned to mount my battery (14 lbs) on the firewall but today after weighing
my soundproofing (15 lbs not including the foam around the baggage area)
and factoring in the additional weight of an in-flight adjustable prop I think
I may have to reconsider. (or go on a very serious diet)
Questions;
1. For those of you flying with Rotax engines, where did you place the battery?
2. For those with batteries behind the seats, what size cable did you use?
3. For those that added soundproofing, how much did it weigh? (have I gone overboard
in my quest for a quiet ride?)
Thanks
Mike
601XL waiting for Rotax FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Chart |
Ed, I've torn the whole damned shop apart trying to find my chart for bolt torque
settings. I think the dog must have ate it. You have one you can fax or e-mail
me ? Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 2:12 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
While we're at it, builders should consider the AF-3400 and AF-3500 units from
Advanced Flight Systems. The 3400 has a 6.5" diagonal screen, the 3500 has an
8.4 " diagonal screen. Both are available as an EFIS unit, an EIS unit or as a
combo. When two units are installed, they are combine-able and swap-able via
ethernet link. Both offer internal battery backup and they datalog to an SD card
accessible in the panel face of the units.No need for a laptop in the right
seat.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Rotax 912S Battery Placement |
Mike, I must ask a question. Have you flown in a XL with a 912 or Jab 3300 ? Neither
one is very noisy compared to a PA-28 or a 172. I have only a foam/heat
pad on the inside of the fire wall, carpet floor and baggage area and cloth interior
wall pads and frankly other than at full power take off you can carry on
a conversation without raising your voice. I just can't see why you would want
to use up 15 pounds for noise reduction when there just isn't much noise to
reduce. Add ANR headsets and the XL is so quite you have to look out the canopy
at the prop to be sure the Jab 3300 is running. Just my two cents, but you
may be whipping the dog that don't bark, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: mike macleod <macleod@eagle.ca>
Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 3:12 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax 912S Battery Placement
List:
I could not find a reference to this in the archives.
I had planned to mount my battery (14 lbs) on the firewall but today after
weighing my soundproofing (15 lbs not including the foam around the baggage
area) and factoring in the additional weight of an in-flight adjustable prop I
think I may have to reconsider. (or go on a very serious diet)
Questions;
1. For those of you flying with Rotax engines, where did you place the battery?
2. For those with batteries behind the seats, what size cable did you use?
3. For those that added soundproofing, how much did it weigh? (have I gone
overboard in my quest for a quiet ride?)
Thanks
Mike
601XL waiting for Rotax FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Chart |
You can get it in the latest Construction Standards for Zenair Light
Aircraft in the photo update section on the Zenith web site.
Jim Machin
601XL quick build /0-200
-Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Torque Chart
Ed, I've torn the whole damned shop apart trying to find my chart for
bolt
torque settings. I think the dog must have ate it. You have one you can
fax
or e-mail me ? Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 2:12 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
While we're at it, builders should consider the AF-3400 and AF-3500
units
from
Advanced Flight Systems. The 3400 has a 6.5" diagonal screen, the 3500
has
an
8.4 " diagonal screen. Both are available as an EFIS unit, an EIS unit
or as
a
combo. When two units are installed, they are combine-able and swap-able
via
ethernet link. Both offer internal battery backup and they datalog to an
SD
card
accessible in the panel face of the units.No need for a laptop in the
right
seat.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
Hi Jon
Thanks for posting this info.
Could you say what size the box for shipping was as if it is a reasonable
size may ask them to send one to me over the pond.
Best wishes
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL builder in England
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Todd's Canopies
>
> I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say
> something about it.
>
> It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and arrived
> without a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my Door even
> though I was warned that they may call me to come pick it up at their
> station.
>
> The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized and
> perfectly molded.
>
>
> Unlike some suppliers, Todd's was prompt and informative along the way. I
> never felt like I needed to call to check on status, because he told me
> when it would be ready, and shipped, and it was...
>
> It even came with a nice hat.
>
>
> Highly recommended!
>
> Jon Burns
> 601XL - almost halfway done!
> Corvair in pieces!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135408#135408
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> Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
I have the Zenith supplied pitot with static tube attached and I have run two tubes
to the panel. I have decided to use the Zenith supplied tubes and test.
That is, I will plumb the pitot to the correct connection and then connect the
static to the two ports (in parallel) on the back of the Dynon. From what I
read in the install manual, it wants to get static (not dynamic) air and that
second tube from Zenith should provide that, without modification, to both ports.
If not, where am I going wrong?
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
do not archive
Mike,
I used #4 welding cable from the local welding supply. Tough insulation, flexible,
etc.
They also stock nice copper end terminals
Regards,
Zed/701/912/etc/90+%/blue scotchbrite pads
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Chart |
try this
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/zenair%20construction%20standards%20draft%201-07.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
Zed. you've been 90% done for the last 4 years
Geoff 90% done do not archive
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Your own words Don
"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the
jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells and
whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigine
monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot
tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to sell
Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the Inigma.....Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
There are three ports on the back of the Dynon. Pitot, Static and AOA. The AOA
is basically another pitot at another angle so the difference between the two
is how the Dynon calcs the angle of attack. If you aren't using the AOA then it
isn't a concern.
Dave Nixon wrote:
> I have the Zenith supplied pitot with static tube attached and I have run two
tubes to the panel. I have decided to use the Zenith supplied tubes and test.
That is, I will plumb the pitot to the correct connection and then connect the
static to the two ports (in parallel) on the back of the Dynon. From what
I read in the install manual, it wants to get static (not dynamic) air and that
second tube from Zenith should provide that, without modification, to both ports.
If not, where am I going wrong?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
Question: you state that the canopy was not rolled like
the Zenith one, is there a reason for this ? Is Todd's
canopy made from thicker material than the Zenith one?
Regards,
Maarten Versteeg
601XL plans building wings
> Time: 06:56:59 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Todd's Canopies
> From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say something
> about it.
> It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and arrived without
> a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my Door even though I was
> warned that they may call me to come pick it up at their station.
>
> The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized and perfectly
> molded.
>
...
>
> Highly recommended!
>
> Jon Burns
> 601XL - almost halfway done!
> Corvair in pieces!
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Joe In general the 912 owners seem to have the cowls off and replacing broken engine
mounts and airframe components and tweaking things on a more regular basis
than Continentals, Lycomings or Jabirus.
The example I can be more specific about is a friends 912UL aircraft built and
flown in the same timeframe as me, done less than 200 hrs and had the engine removed
a number of times. 2 cracked engine mounts, failed gearbox, failed starter
sprag, failed water pump seal, failed carb attachments, plus the other SB
items that were attended to per manufacturers data. All affected parts were standard
kit items and the engine work was done by the agents. You could argue it
was a "monday car" but all these thinks are inconvenient and costly especially
when youre 500 miles from home and the the only dealer that knows what to do
is in 1500 miles away
Ralph
--------
Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | Non-LSA ops limits |
Andy,
If you don't care about being LSA compatible you should contact Zenith and get
their concurrence on the increased gross weight. At least one lyc powered 601XL
has been certified (in Canada) for a 1500' gross weight. I also heard Chris
Heintz say the plane can safely fly @ 1500'. Be aware that once a gross weight
higher than 1320' has been certified the plane can never be made LSA compatable.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc, wiring/plumbing in progress
If I plan to certify my plane experimental, but not light sport, what
are reasonable values for max gross and G limits?
Also, does anyone know if the CG envelope has any gross weight
dependence? That is, do the CG limits change with load?
Finally, is this information on the ZAC web site somewhere? I couldn't
find it.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Non-LSA ops limits |
So this brings up an interesting question I've never seen answered.
Lets say someone registers the airplane with a 1500lb gross weight. The SP regulations
say, "Maximum takeoff weight".
If the SP never loads it up beyond 1320lb, is he legal?
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
Todd told me it was thicker and less likely to crack. He also has the thinner
plastic that matches the Zenith offering, and can mold the canopy either way.
I cannot remember the weight difference, but it was something like 3 pounds.
I'd check with him to make sure.
Jon Burns
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| Subject: | Re: Non-LSA ops limits |
Ugh, nevermind. If my question was legal, any 152 could be flown as a SP.
Silly me.
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
When I called Todd several months ago, he explained that it was much
heavier/stiffer material than the ZAC canopy and not conducive to rolling.
I've since missplaced my notes from the discussion but he said it was
heavier than the ZAC canopy - can't remember by how much - could have been
about 2 pounds, but might have been as much as 6 pounds. Can't recall
thickness either. Price, tinted, was $340 + freight.
Robin in AR
601XL Zen-Vair, N601ZV reserved.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maarten Versteeg" <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Todd's Canopies
> <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
>
> Question: you state that the canopy was not rolled like
> the Zenith one, is there a reason for this ? Is Todd's
> canopy made from thicker material than the Zenith one?
>
> Regards,
> Maarten Versteeg
> 601XL plans building wings
>
>> Time: 06:56:59 PM PST US
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Todd's Canopies
>> From: "jonaburns" <lsapilot@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>
>> I received a canopy from Todd's a few weeks ago, and thought I'd say
>> something
>> about it.
>> It was packed in a very nice cardboard with wooden frame box, and arrived
>> without
>> a scratch. The transport company dropped it off at my Door even though I
>> was
>> warned that they may call me to come pick it up at their station.
>>
>> The canopy was not rolled like the Zenith original, it is full sized and
>> perfectly
>> molded.
> ...
>>
>> Highly recommended!
>>
>> Jon Burns
>> 601XL - almost halfway done!
>> Corvair in pieces!
>
>
>
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Members,
I have seen a good many posts concerning the activity of scammers
and have this to say about that. Most of the scammers are operating out
of the UK or Nigeria. The most common scam is, be our agent un the US.
They send money orders to you from their clients here in the US telling
you that US Money orders cannot be cashed outside of the country and
this is true. They ask you to go to your bank deposit the money orders,
take out 10% send the rest of the money to them. In all cases the money
orders are no good and the local US Post Office has a little hand held
machine that they use to prove they are no good. The name of the game
is, if you receive funds from anyone claiming anything, make sure the
instrument is good before you do anything else. You will find that in
l00% of the time it's nothing but an attempt to cheat you out of your
money. Honest people are the easiest people to cheat because they think
because they are honest, everyone else is too.
Tracy Stone
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| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies |
The canopy is for your airplane not your car!
Sorry, I couldn't resist :)
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I apologize for perpetuating a topic probably not appropriate to this
list, but would encourage all to adopt my policy concerning these
scammers. My policy is turn the tables on'm and hit'm in the pocketbook,
so to speak. It only takes a second to respond to their emails and say
yes send me the money. But they have a considerable investment of time
and money in delivering. If everyone did this, they soon would have
their expenses exceeding their income. Of the many thousands of dollars
of these funny money money orders in my collection, all are sent by
expensive overnight delivery from the U.S., or at a minimum
international postal rate (mostly from UK), all for about the second it
takes me to say yes at no expense whatever to me, and hardly any more
time than it takes to delete the message.
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scammers
Members,
I have seen a good many posts concerning the activity of scammers
and have this to say about that. Most of the scammers are operating out
of the UK or Nigeria. The most common scam is, be our agent un the US.
They send money orders to you from their clients here in the US telling
you that US Money orders cannot be cashed outside of the country and
this is true. They ask you to go to your bank deposit the money orders,
take out 10% send the rest of the money to them. In all cases the money
orders are no good and the local US Post Office has a little hand held
machine that they use to prove they are no good. The name of the game
is, if you receive funds from anyone claiming anything, make sure the
instrument is good before you do anything else. You will find that in
l00% of the time it's nothing but an attempt to cheat you out of your
money. Honest people are the easiest people to cheat because they think
because they are honest, everyone else is too.
Tracy Stone
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks |
Apparently it didn't come through. I mentioned that zinc-oxide is one alternative
to the chromate based primer and is more readily available, supposedly safer
too.
Art
Robert Loer <rloer@aceweb.com> wrote:
Great message. Too bad it was blank when it got to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Olechowski
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from
Wicks
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Robert, I beg to differ ,You can't cheat a honest man....a honest man is
not looking for something for nothing and doesn't have the greed factor
of trying to get the edge or a real deal. most honest people just want
what is rightfull there's.. Thanks, Joe N101HD
----- Original Message From: robert stone
To: Zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scammers
Members,
I have seen a good many posts concerning the activity of scammers
and have this to say about that. Most of the scammers are operating out
of the UK or Nigeria. The most common scam is, be our agent un the US.
They send money orders to you from their clients here in the US telling
you that US Money orders cannot be cashed outside of the country and
this is true. They ask you to go to your bank deposit the money orders,
take out 10% send the rest of the money to them. In all cases the money
orders are no good and the local US Post Office has a little hand held
machine that they use to prove they are no good. The name of the game
is, if you receive funds from anyone claiming anything, make sure the
instrument is good before you do anything else. You will find that in
l00% of the time it's nothing but an attempt to cheat you out of your
money. Honest people are the easiest people to cheat because they think
because they are honest, everyone else is too.
Tracy Stone
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Except that now your now confirmed email address is probably on every scammers
target list, which I'm sure they share will all their scum counterparts and make
enough to offset the cost of postage. C'mon guys -- just delete 'em. This scam
has been around for years, and will likely continue long after we're all plant
food.
definitely do not archive
Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote: I apologize for perpetuating a
topic probably not appropriate to this list, but would encourage all to adopt
my policy concerning these scammers. My policy is turn the tables on'm and
hit'm in the pocketbook, so to speak. It only takes a second to respond to their
emails and say yes send me the money. But they have a considerable investment
of time and money in delivering. If everyone did this, they soon would
have their expenses exceeding their income. Of the many thousands of dollars
of these funny money money orders in my collection, all are sent by expensive
overnight delivery from the U.S., or at a minimum international postal rate
(mostly from UK), all for about the second it takes me to say yes at no expense
whatever to me, and hardly any more time than it takes to delete the message.
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scammers
Members,
I have seen a good many posts concerning the activity of scammers and
have this to say about that. Most of the scammers are operating out of the
UK or Nigeria. The most common scam is, be our agent un the US. They send
money orders to you from their clients here in the US telling you that
US Money orders cannot be cashed outside of the country and this is true.
They ask you to go to your bank deposit the money orders, take out 10% send
the rest of the money to them. In all cases the money orders are no good
and the local US Post Office has a little hand held machine that they use to
prove they are no good. The name of the game is, if you receive funds from
anyone claiming anything, make sure the instrument is good before you do
anything else. You will find that in l00% of the time it's nothing but an
attempt to cheat you out of your money. Honest people are the easiest people
to cheat because they think because they are
honest, everyone else is too.
Tracy Stone
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | New addition to the Garangar |
List,
I just picked this up on craigs list for $450. Think it's a good deal? It should
turn my air tools pretty good eh?
Campbell Hausfeld model number VT632900AJ
10.3 @ 90 psi
11.8 @ 40
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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That's exactly why they are still around. Because most make no effort to
stop them. C'mon guys, it only takes a second to say yes and make'm
spend their ill-begotton gains for naught.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scammers
Except that now your now confirmed email address is probably on every
scammers target list, which I'm sure they share will all their scum
counterparts and make enough to offset the cost of postage. C'mon guys
-- just delete 'em. This scam has been around for years, and will likely
continue long after we're all plant food.
definitely do not archive
Robin Bellach <601zv@ritternet.com> wrote:
I apologize for perpetuating a topic probably not appropriate to
this list, but would encourage all to adopt my policy concerning these
scammers. My policy is turn the tables on'm and hit'm in the pocketbook,
so to speak. It only takes a second to respond to their emails and say
yes send me the money. But they have a considerable investment of time
and money in delivering. If everyone did this, they soon would have
their expenses exceeding their income. Of the many thousands of dollars
of these funny money money orders in my collection, all are sent by
expensive overnight delivery from the U.S., or at a minimum
international postal rate (mostly from UK), all for about the second it
takes me to say yes at no expense whatever to me, and hardly any more
time than it takes to delete the message.
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith list
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scammers
Members,
I have seen a good many posts concerning the activity of
scammers and have this to say about that. Most of the scammers are
operating out of the UK or Nigeria. The most common scam is, be our
agent un the US. They send money orders to you from their clients here
in the US telling you that US Money orders cannot be cashed outside of
the country and this is true. They ask you to go to your bank deposit
the money orders, take out 10% send the rest of the money to them. In
all cases the money orders are no good and the local US Post Office has
a little hand held machine that they use to prove they are no good. The
name of the game is, if you receive funds from anyone claiming anything,
make sure the instrument is good before you do anything else. You will
find that in l00% of the time it's nothing but an attempt to cheat you
out of your money. Honest people are the easiest people to cheat
because they think because they are honest, everyone else is too.
Tracy Stone
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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I am unfamiliar with the lycoming , Continential engines but here in
australia most people swear by rotax 912.
Many many jabiru's seem to need constant maintainance valves etc and more,
especially the earlier models 2200. They seem to be getting better with
time.
Graeme Cairns
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Engines
>
> Joe In general the 912 owners seem to have the cowls off and replacing
> broken engine mounts and airframe components and tweaking things on a more
> regular basis than Continentals, Lycomings or Jabirus.
>
> The example I can be more specific about is a friends 912UL aircraft built
> and flown in the same timeframe as me, done less than 200 hrs and had the
> engine removed a number of times. 2 cracked engine mounts, failed gearbox,
> failed starter sprag, failed water pump seal, failed carb attachments,
> plus the other SB items that were attended to per manufacturers data. All
> affected parts were standard kit items and the engine work was done by the
> agents. You could argue it was a "monday car" but all these thinks are
> inconvenient and costly especially when youre 500 miles from home and the
> the only dealer that knows what to do is in 1500 miles away
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135557#135557
>
>
> --
> 20/09/2007 12:07 PM
>
>
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