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1. 05:10 AM - Re: Engine Comparison (Paul Mulwitz)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200A and Ch 701 (kmccune)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Dave Nixon)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: AOA for your Dynon (Dave Nixon)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: AOA for your Dynon (Larry Winger)
6. 06:42 AM - 701 cowl tank addition? (kmccune)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (LarryMcFarland)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: 701 cowl tank addition? (ZodieRocket)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: 701 cowl tank addition? (LarryMcFarland)
10. 07:52 AM - Re: Engine Comparison (Randy Stout)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (leinad)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (WHC228@aol.com)
13. 08:45 AM - Re: Engine Comparison (WHC228@aol.com)
14. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (LarryMcFarland)
15. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
16. 10:06 AM - Re: Engine Comparison (Paul Mulwitz)
17. 10:06 AM - Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time (kmccune)
18. 10:41 AM - Navion N8844H (Ken Arnold)
19. 11:06 AM - 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance (kmccune)
20. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (Robert Loer)
21. 01:28 PM - New 95hp engine design. (kmccune)
22. 01:41 PM - Re: 701 cowl tank addition? (David Downey)
23. 03:46 PM - Re: 701 cowl tank addition? (JohnDRead@aol.com)
24. 04:15 PM - Re: 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance (Bryan Martin)
25. 04:35 PM - Re: 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance (kmccune)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (Southern Reflections)
27. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Southern Reflections)
28. 05:59 PM - Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power (jetboy)
29. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
30. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Southern Reflections)
31. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Comparison |
Hi Randy,
Thank you for the great engine comparison. I wonder if you could
answer a couple of questions about the Corvair and Jabiru differences.
First, did you use the same propeller for both engines? If you have
an adjustable propeller did you use the same settings?
The other question I have is why you changed from the Corvair to the
Jabiru. If I understood the point about phase 1 testing, it seems
you went through all three engines before completing phase 1. Is
this true? Or, did you need to go back into phase 1 testing when you
changed engines?
Thanks,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 07:57 PM 9/21/2007, you wrote:
>Some of you already know that I have had 3 different engines on my
>Zodiac (CH601HD) . The current engine is a Jabiru 3300 and I just
>took the plane out of Phase 1 testing. To celebrate, I took my wife
>on a short cross country to to Fredericksburg TX (T82) for lunch.
>They have a nice diner and a hotel on the field.
>
>The first engine was a VW with a redrive. The VW may work for other
>airframes, but I think most would be disappointed with it. A Corvair
>is cheaper and provides much more power. My highest speed with the
>VW was just under 90 mph. Others have had slightly better speeds
>without the redrive, but their takeoff roll is much longer. The
>redrive provided a very short takeoff roll and a very fast climb to
>1000' AGL, then you had to back off the throttle to let the engine
>cool down. Any attempt to climb after that was done in small steps
>or a very gradually.
>
>The Corvair and the Jabiru 3300 are very similar in performance. My
>WOT speed seem to be about 5 mph faster with the Jabiru @ 127 mph. I
>usually cruised at 3000 rpm when I had the Corvair installed. My
>cruise speed was usually around 107-110 mph. The Jabiru is getting
>about the same speed at 2850 rpm. Fuel burn seems to be similar. On
>my trip to T82 today, I stayed pretty close to 3000 rpm and the fuel
>burn was 6.8 gph. I don't have a fuel flow sender. Fuel burn is
>calculated by sticking the tanks after flying. I'm not sure why, but
>the Jab has a bit longer take off roll. That might be due to my foot
>having to be firmly planted on the right rudder pedal because of P-
>factor. I don't have sufficient offset in the engine mount and I
>need a lot of right rudder when taking off. After I level off, it's
>not a problem. I had a lot of offset on the Corvair, so P-factor
>wasn't a problem. Weight appears to be the biggest difference. My
>plane lost just over 70 lbs with the change to the Jabiru. My wallet
>got much lighter too.
>
>The Jabiru seems to be more sensitive to cooling. I think some of
>that lies in the cowling design especially in climb. The top of the
>cowl openings slope backwards and I think the air skips over the
>cowl instead of being forced in. I have heard that someone attached
>some Plexiglas deflectors to scoop air when in a climb. I plan on
>making some after I get some paint on the cowl.
>
>Carbs--I am not impressed with the Bing. Mine had the economy tuning
>kit installed. My EGT's were uneven and would go too high if I let
>the rpm drop below 2850. CHT's were difficult to keep under control.
>The plugs always looked like the mixture was too rich. I put my
>Ellison on and everything changed. I can enrichen or lean the
>mixture to keep the EGT's at 1350-1400 F in cruise or WOT. CHT's are
>running around 280-290 F except on the front 2 cylinders. They
>frequently run around 315 F. I don't see why they would be the
>hottest. I noticed that most people have a piece of sheet metal
>mounted vertical in front of those 2 cylinders and it is nearly the
>same height as the cylinder. I need to duplicate that to see if it
>makes a difference. My Plexiglas deflectors may also help when I get
>them installed.
>
>I'm planning on flying to Copperstate next month, then on to Las
>Vegas. If everything goes as planned, I hope to be arriving at the
>air show, late Thursday, then departing Saturday afternoon for
>Vegas. Hope to see you all there.
>
>Randy Stout
>San Antonio TX
><http://www.geocities.com/n282rs>www.geocities.com/n282rs
>n282rs at satx.rr.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200A and Ch 701 |
Sorry for taking so long to reply...I lost my password.
The kit is available for both engines as stated in the link.
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
Thanks. Now I get it. So I can modify the Zenith Static probe ( cut off the plug
and bend down 45 degrees approximate and plug the small static ports drilled
into the tube) to get the desired results. then I can add a static system
similar to what Cessna has on the sides of the fuselage. Thanks for the input
which should eliminate hours of aggravation.
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
Thanks, Larry. See my previous response to Tim. Your info has helped immensely.
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| Subject: | Re: AOA for your Dynon |
In theory, that could work. You might want to check with Dynon for specs on
the angle, distance between ports, etc.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair
On 9/22/07, Dave Nixon <adnasap@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks. Now I get it. So I can modify the Zenith Static probe ( cut off
> the plug and bend down 45 degrees approximate and plug the small static
> ports drilled into the tube) to get the desired results. then I can add a
> static system similar to what Cessna has on the sides of the
> fuselage. Thanks for the input which should eliminate hours of aggravation.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135741#135741
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| Subject: | 701 cowl tank addition? |
High all,
I have not started to build yet as I'm still trying to decide if I should kit build
or scratch build... But I have a question for future reference. The older
701s had a cowl tank only? Could a smaller tank be put in the cowl to be used
as a header tank and add an hour of so to the fight time, or at least a reserve?
Does Zenith support scratch builders? They seem to have a help area but you need
a serial number to access it.
Sorry for all the questions... I'm a little eager :^)
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
Robert,
I didn't say it couldn't be done because someone's already fitted a 701
with a Jab 3300. It just seems counter productive to put a "merlin" or
its cousin
on an aircraft that is so much slower than the cooling needs of the
engine. Subaru engines have been successful only because they have a
radiator that
governs heat exchange. It will certainly fly, but I believe it's a
mismatch for long term use.
respectfully,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Robert Loer wrote:
>
> IT WAS WRITTEN:
>> 4. Corvair is too small for an 801 and too large for practical use
>> in a 701. You need cooling speed to keep the Corvair healthy which
>> the 701 doesn't.
>
>
> Lets not count out the Corvair yet in the 701. William Wynne in
> Florida and his crew that have been very successful with the 601 have
> a 701 under construction with a Corvair mounted. In a few months we
> will have real world experience.
>
> Robert Loer
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 cowl tank addition? |
When you buy your plans you will have a serial # and access to builders
Support and the builders area on the website. We provide builders
support, but do not provide details on scratch building, that is part of
your learning. Going through the plans and making your own decisions on
material. This is part of plans building. Learning the process of
metalworking and what you can or cannot do. The EAA and RAA are great
tools for learning this information. Also take a trip over to
www.homebuilthelp.com and pick up the scratch builders DVD, also
download AC43 this is the law to building a plane. Buying a kit gives
you the great adventure to have your flying plane, plans building is for
those who consider the building portion as important and the flying
aspect, sometimes even more important, it is because you are going to
learn the properties of the metal, the bending and forming. You will
make tools to perform this work. Sometimes you will spend as much time
woodworking as you will be bending a piece of metal. IT is a great
adventure.
As for the fuel system in a 701, they used to come with a optional
smaller header tank and two wing tanks. I am not sure if Zenith willl
still make the older header tank, but you should be able to find one out
their. In fact I have just removed one out of mine along with the
control panel. I will be replacing the 5 gal wing tanks with the 10 gal
ones and not installing a header tank. I have a major aversion to fuel
in my lap.
I may sell the wing/header tanks and panel ( which has all the hook ups
for the header tank) These units have never been used, they were
installed 14 years ago but the plane sat unfinished in a barn for 13
years. They are chromated and clean.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 cowl tank addition?
High all,
I have not started to build yet as I'm still trying to decide if I
should kit build or scratch build... But I have a question for future
reference. The older 701s had a cowl tank only? Could a smaller tank be
put in the cowl to be used as a header tank and add an hour of so to the
fight time, or at least a reserve?
Does Zenith support scratch builders? They seem to have a help area but
you need a serial number to access it.
Sorry for all the questions... I'm a little eager :^)
--------
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9/21/2007 2:02 PM
9/21/2007 2:02 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 701 cowl tank addition? |
Hi Kevin,
Zenith supports a scratch builder so long as you buy the plans so they
can provide you a serial number for your aircraft.
Build a rudder from plans and work from there. If you feel things going
too slowly, buy the kit that keeps it going. To save real money,
use the plans to scratch build the parts that you mess up. I wouldn't
put a fuel tank in the cowl because it would have to share space with
an engine and its exhaust system.
Zenith has always been willing to sell singular kit or parts as needed
to the scratch or plans builder. Excellent support!
Larry McFarland 601HDS plans built at www.macsmachine.com
kmccune wrote:
>
> High all,
>
> I have not started to build yet as I'm still trying to decide if I should kit
build or scratch build... But I have a question for future reference. The older
701s had a cowl tank only? Could a smaller tank be put in the cowl to be used
as a header tank and add an hour of so to the fight time, or at least a reserve?
>
> Does Zenith support scratch builders? They seem to have a help area but you need
a serial number to access it.
>
> Sorry for all the questions... I'm a little eager :^)
>
> --------
> Kevin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Comparison |
Paul
All 3 engines used different props. On the VW, I used a Power Fin. The
Corvair, I used a Warp Drive. And on the Jabiru, I have a Sensenich. All
are
ground adjustable. It's hard to compare the pitch because the blades are
completly different on all three. I know this factors into the
performance,
but I can't tell you how much.
After the crank broke last year on the Corvair, I found a deal on a
never
run, second hand Jabiru. My wife helped convince me that I needed it
over
the Corvair. Of course, she was in the plane with me when the crank
broke.
Phase 1 testing is required anytime you make a major change to the
aircraft.
You are required to fill out a Application For Airworthiness and send it
to
your FSDO. I also wrote a letter explaining what I was doing and my plan
to
go into phase 1 testing for a minimum of 5 hours.
FWIW, I have nearly 180 hours on the plane now. About 12 hours on the
new
Jabiru.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
<http://www.geocities.com/> <http://www.geocities.com/n282rs>
www.geocities.com/n282rs
n282rs at satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mulwitz
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine Comparison
Hi Randy,
Thank you for the great engine comparison. I wonder if you could answer
a
couple of questions about the Corvair and Jabiru differences.
First, did you use the same propeller for both engines? If you have an
adjustable propeller did you use the same settings?
The other question I have is why you changed from the Corvair to the
Jabiru.
If I understood the point about phase 1 testing, it seems you went
through
all three engines before completing phase 1. Is this true? Or, did you
need to go back into phase 1 testing when you changed engines?
Thanks,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
Larry,
Just wanted to point out that Corvairs have been on Pientpols ( a slow plane) since
the early 60s.
Dan
> Robert,
> I didn't say it couldn't be done because someone's already fitted a 701
> with a Jab 3300. It just seems counter productive to put a "merlin" or
> its cousin
> on an aircraft that is so much slower than the cooling needs of the
> engine. Subaru engines have been successful only because they have a
> radiator that
> governs heat exchange. It will certainly fly, but I believe it's a
> mismatch for long term use.
>
> respectfully,
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
Corvairs on Pietenpols often had the original cooling system too.
Billl C
601xl
Lyc
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Comparison |
I would like to see some comments on using an O235 Lycoming.
I recently bought an engine, and am wondering why no one seems to be talking
about these engines.
They seem to be reasonable to buy, have a good TBO, and plenty of power.
The only thing that is negative is the weight.
Bill
601XL
0235
wings & tail done
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
>
> That's true Dan, but the Pietenpol is a much cleaner aircraft having a top speed
of 100 mph. The 701 is draggy with an 85 mph top end and if pulled to exceed
that by a Corvair, I'd worry about the structural of an 701 being pulled beyond
its 110 mph VNE. Larry McFarland do not archive
>
> Larry,
> Just wanted to point out that Corvairs have been on Pientpols ( a slow plane)
since the early 60s.
> Dan
>
>
>
>> Robert,
>> I didn't say it couldn't be done because someone's already fitted a 701
>> with a Jab 3300. It just seems counter productive to put a "merlin" or
>> its cousin
>> on an aircraft that is so much slower than the cooling needs of the
>> engine. Subaru engines have been successful only because they have a
>> radiator that
>> governs heat exchange. It will certainly fly, but I believe it's a
>> mismatch for long term use.
>>
>> respectfully,
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>> do not archive
>>
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no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>Bill--
> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the D180
mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS backup.
No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from the pilot seat,
either with or without split screen.
>
>George May
>601XL 912s 150hrs
>
>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ElectronicsDate: Fri,
21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested
in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns are is it really big enough
to see. I measured and the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I
don't want to be squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they
all run together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and
is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk to
anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I
hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and such as back
up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not archive-----Original Message-----From:
Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep
2007 5:27 pmSubject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>Your own words Don
>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the
>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>
>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells and
>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigine
>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot
>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to sell
>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>Inigma.....Geoff
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Comparison |
Hi Bill,
I don't have experience with the Lycoming engine, but I have been
comparing results from different engine choices for a long while now.
The weight is indeed the biggest issue with both the Lycoming and
Continental engines. This might not be such an issue if you have a
lot of excess capacity in your plane. However, if you are trying to
meet the LSA requirements, as I am, then the extra 100 pounds or so
really limits the size of people and the amount of baggage you can haul.
I have never heard exactly how much excess weight penalty there is on
the older engines. While some weights are published, I thing there
are large differences in the included equipment from one
specification to another. It is the total installed weight with all
accessories that matters. I think the 170 pound per person allowance
for both baggage and human weight on the new Cessna 162 is heavily
influenced by the engine choice.
I guess the bottom line is that you should consider what size people
will be in your plane and how much baggage and fuel you want to carry
before installing one of the older and heavier engines.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:45 AM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
>I would like to see some comments on using an O235 Lycoming.
>I recently bought an engine, and am wondering why no one seems to be
>talking about these engines.
>They seem to be reasonable to buy, have a good TBO, and plenty of power.
>The only thing that is negative is the weight.
>
>Bill
>601XL
>0235
>wings & tail done
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| Subject: | Re: First flight, test pilot, dual time |
So after Jan 2008 it has to be registered as a S-LSA then converted... how does
this affect my ability to perform maintenance on it? Assuming I have taken the
16 hr class?
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Look at www.wraltv.com. Navion from Chantilly, VA crashed with one
fatality.
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| Subject: | 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance |
So after Jan 2008 I can no longer register a 701 as an E-LSA?
But I can convert it?
Additionally do I then have to take additional instruction to do the anual inspection
and annual maintenance even if its an E-LSA?
Its all so confusing :?
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
No body implied you said it couldn't be done. Relax a little. For the benifit of
all reading, I just offered the information that it is being done by someone
in the public eye who will publish the results on his website. Then...no more
guessing.
Robert
>------- Original Message -------
>From : LarryMcFarland[mailto:larry@macsmachine.com]
>Sent : 9/22/2007 7:21:57 AM
>To : zenith-list@matronics.com
>Cc :
>Subject : RE: Re: Zenith-List: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power
>
Robert,
I didn't say it couldn't be done because someone's already fitted a 701
with a Jab 3300. It just seems counter productive to put a "merlin" or
its cousin
on an aircraft that is so much slower than the cooling needs of the
engine. Subaru engines have been successful only because they have a
radiator that
governs heat exchange. It will certainly fly, but I believe it's a
mismatch for long term use.
respectfully,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Robert Loer wrote:
>
> IT WAS WRITTEN:
>> 4. Corvair is too small for an 801 and too large for practical use
>> in a 701. You need cooling speed to keep the Corvair healthy which
>> the 701 doesn't.
>
>
> Lets not count out the Corvair yet in the 701. William Wynne in
> Florida and his crew that have been very successful with the 601 have
> a 701 under construction with a Corvair mounted. In a few months we
> will have real world experience.
>
> Robert Loer
>
>
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| Subject: | New 95hp engine design. |
I just received an email from UL power with a brochure and price list. The engine
has 95 hp at 3300rpm, but better yet has about 145 to 150ft-lbs of torque between
2500 and 3300 rpm. Your don't have to rev it all the way up ya know.
It is direct drive and fuel injected. The price at present is $16,800 US.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 cowl tank addition? |
you can also download the AC65-9, -12, and -15. These are the handbooks for
the A&P mechanic.=0A =0ADave Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvai
r=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@h
sfx.ca>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 22, 200
7 10:25:21 AM=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 cowl tank addition?=0A=0A=0A-
When you buy your plans you will have a serial # and access to builders=0AS
upport and the builders area on the website. We provide builders=0Asupport,
but do not provide details on scratch building, that is part of=0Ayour lea
rning. Going through the plans and making your own decisions on=0Amaterial.
This is part of plans building. Learning the process of=0Ametalworking and
what you can or cannot do. The EAA and RAA are great=0Atools for learning
this information. Also take a trip over to=0Awww.homebuilthelp.com and pick
up the scratch builders DVD, also=0Adownload AC43 this is the law to build
ing a plane. Buying a kit gives=0Ayou the great adventure to have your flyi
ng plane, plans building is for=0Athose who consider the building portion a
s important and the flying=0Aaspect, sometimes even more important, it is b
ecause you are going to=0Alearn the properties of the metal, the bending an
d forming. You will=0Amake tools to perform this work. Sometimes you will s
pend as much time=0Awoodworking as you will be bending a piece of metal. IT
is a great=0Aadventure.=0A=0AAs for the fuel system in a 701, they used to
come with a optional=0Asmaller header tank and two wing tanks. I am not su
re if Zenith willl=0Astill make the older header tank, but you should be ab
le to find one out=0Atheir. In fact I have just removed one out of mine alo
ng with the=0Acontrol panel. I will be replacing the 5 gal wing tanks with
the 10 gal=0Aones and not installing a header tank. I have a major aversion
to fuel=0Ain my lap.=0AI may sell the wing/header tanks and panel ( which
has all the hook ups=0Afor the header tank) These units have never been use
d, they were=0Ainstalled 14 years ago but the plane sat unfinished in a bar
n for 13=0Ayears. They are chromated and clean.=0A=0A=0AMark Townsend=0ACan
-Zac Aviation Ltd.=0Apresident@can-zacaviation.com=0Awww.can-zacaviation.co
m =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-zenith-list-server@matroni
cs.com=0A[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccu
ne=0ASent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:43 AM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics
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not started to build yet as I'm still trying to decide if I=0Ashould kit b
uild or scratch build... But I have a question for future=0Areference. The
older 701s had a cowl tank only? Could a smaller tank be=0Aput in the cowl
to be used as a header tank and add an hour of so to the=0Afight time, or a
t least a reserve?=0A=0ADoes Zenith support scratch builders? They seem to
have a help area but=0Ayou need a serial number to access it.=0A=0ASorry fo
r all the questions... I'm a little eager :^)=0A=0A--------=0AKevin=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
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| Subject: | Re: 701 cowl tank addition? |
Hi Kevin:
I am building a CH701, I chose to go the kit route as I did not
want to take an extended time to get flying. When you buy the plans from the
Zenith factory you will get a serial number. I have found the factory to be
extremely helpful. The best way, I have found, to get fast replies is to phone
the factory. You will have to persevere when you want to talk to them as
they do not use an answering machine. Sometimes they will ask you to email them
after a phone conversation.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance |
After Jan 2008 you can't register your CH701 as an E-LSA or an S-LSA,
you will have to register as an Experimental-Amateur built. However,
it will still meet the limitations of the LSA rule and a sport pilot
can fly it. Any airplane, no matter what type of airworthiness
certificate it has, Standard, Primary, E-LSA, S-LSA or E-AB, can be
flown under the sport pilot rule as long as it meets the limitations
of the LSA rules and has continued to do so since its initial
registration.
If you register it as an E-AB you can do any and all maintenance on
the plane. If you sell the airplane, the new owner will also be able
to do his own maintenance. Anyone can do maintenance on an E-AB.
If you are the primary builder and apply for and receive the
repairman certificate for that airplane, you can sign off the annual
condition inspection. If you sell it, the new owner will not be able
to sign off the annual unless he is an A&P, only the original builder
can get the repairman certificate for an E-AB and it can't be
transferred.
You will not be able to rent out an E-AB to give flight instruction
but you, the owner, can receive flight instruction in it after the
phase I testing is complete.
If you register it as an E-LSA before the Jan 31, 2008 deadline, you
will be able to do all of your maintenance but you will have to take
a 16 hour maintenance course to qualify to sign off the annual
inspection on that plane. The 16 hour course also qualifies you to
sign off the annual on any other S-LSA or E-LSA aircraft that you
own. The 16 hour course does not qualify you to sign off the annual
on any aircraft with a Standard, Primary or E-AB airworthiness
certificate even if the plane can be flown under the Sport Pilot rules.
On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, kmccune wrote:
>
> So after Jan 2008 I can no longer register a 701 as an E-LSA?
> But I can convert it?
>
> Additionally do I then have to take additional instruction to do
> the anual inspection and annual maintenance even if its an E-LSA?
>
> Its all so confusing :?
>
> --------
> Kevin
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 and E-LSA and S-LSA and maintenance |
Thanks, I was HOPING for an answer like this! The sport pilot part was never a
question, but the experimental part along with the who can do what part to the
airplane, was a little, OK way foggy!
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
You should try a Ram built Subaru .100,130,140,or the Ram 250 Superchareged
that ,ought to rip that 701's wings off with the 130 all of his engines are
dynoed, so we are talking true HP. Not to mention he's been at it for 25
years, that always help's a little too.. For what it's worth I would listen
to Larry Mac. He know's his Z " Plane's, engineering,and design. I think
a100 HP engine with a Prince P-Tip would work fine then your 701 would jump
off the ground and cruise well too. Have a nice day . Joe N101HD
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power
>
> Larry,
> Just wanted to point out that Corvairs have been on Pientpols ( a slow
> plane) since the early 60s.
> Dan
>
>
>> Robert,
>> I didn't say it couldn't be done because someone's already fitted a 701
>> with a Jab 3300. It just seems counter productive to put a "merlin" or
>> its cousin
>> on an aircraft that is so much slower than the cooling needs of the
>> engine. Subaru engines have been successful only because they have a
>> radiator that
>> governs heat exchange. It will certainly fly, but I believe it's a
>> mismatch for long term use.
>>
>> respectfully,
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135758#135758
>
>
>
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Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person built ? that super
custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>>
>>Bill--
>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the
>> D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS
>> backup. No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from
>> the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
>>
>>George May
>>601XL 912s 150hrs
>>
>>
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
>>ElectronicsDate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From:
>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm
>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and
>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be
>>squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run
>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and
>>is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk
>>to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of
>>money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and
>>such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not archive-----Original
>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:
>>zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pmSubject:
>>Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>>Your own words Don
>>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But
>>the
>>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>>
>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
>>Bells and
>>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined
>>EFIS/enigine
>>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup,
>>pitot
>>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to
>>sell
>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>>Inigma.....Geoff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Reconsideration of mission and corvair power |
The modified 701 on the ZAC website has already been trialed and the Corvair is
being removed for sale to being replaced a smaller engine. Sorry I dont know
whether it was a compliance issue or flying issue.
Ralph
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if you are refering to the panel that was put on the zenith website, that is me.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 7:56 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person built ? that super
>custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:06 PM
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>>
>> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill--
>>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the
>>> D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS
>>> backup. No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from
>>> the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
>>>
>>>George May
>>>601XL 912s 150hrs
>>>
>>>
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
>>>ElectronicsDate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From:
>>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm
>>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and
>>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be
>>>squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run
>>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and
>>>is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk
>>>to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of
>>>money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and
>>>such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not archive-----Original
>>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:
>>>zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pmSubject:
>>>Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>>Your own words Don
>>>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But
>>>the
>>>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>>>
>>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
>>>Bells and
>>>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined
>>>EFIS/enigine
>>>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup,
>>>pitot
>>>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to
>>>sell
>>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>>>Inigma.....Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________
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The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing tips,and a
small window behind the seat. Thanks Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
> if you are refering to the panel that was put on the zenith website, that
> is me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 7:56 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person built ? that super
>>custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:06 PM
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>>
>>>
>>> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bill--
>>>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and
>>>> the
>>>> D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and
>>>> EFIS
>>>> backup. No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180
>>>> from
>>>> the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
>>>>
>>>>George May
>>>>601XL 912s 150hrs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
>>>>ElectronicsDate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From:
>>>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm
>>>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and
>>>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be
>>>>squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run
>>>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>>>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow
>>>>and
>>>>is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to
>>>>talk
>>>>to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of
>>>>money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages
>>>>and
>>>>such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not
>>>>archive-----Original
>>>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:
>>>>zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pmSubject:
>>>>Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>
>>>>Your own words Don
>>>>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles,
>>>>But
>>>>the
>>>>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>>>>
>>>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
>>>>Bells and
>>>>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined
>>>>EFIS/enigine
>>>>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup,
>>>>pitot
>>>>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying
>>>>to
>>>>sell
>>>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>>>>Inigma.....Geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>>More photos; more messages; more whatever Get MORE with Windows Live
>>>>Hotmail. NOW with 5GB storage.
>>>>ration_HM_mini_5G_0907
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing tips,and
a small window behind the seat.
I think you are referring to Roberto Brito's plane in Brazil:
http://www.airfox.com.br
-- Craig
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