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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (David Downey)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Southern Reflections)
3. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Craig Payne)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 (Chris Ross)
5. 09:51 AM - Transponder antenna location forward of center section (David Lautenschlager)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (AB_Summit)
7. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
8. 10:51 AM - Re: Transponder antenna location forward of center section (xl)
9. 11:07 AM - Re: Transponder antenna location forward of center section (Edward Moody II)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Craig Payne)
11. 11:48 AM - 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? (Craig Payne)
12. 12:01 PM - Re: 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? (ZodieRocket)
13. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 (Bryan Martin)
14. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 (LarryMcFarland)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Bryan Martin)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? (hansriet)
17. 01:25 PM - Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (John Marzulli)
18. 01:37 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Tim Juhl)
19. 02:04 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (AB_Summit)
20. 02:11 PM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (Gordon)
21. 02:20 PM - Subaru (Ronald Steele)
22. 02:33 PM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (NYTerminat@aol.com)
23. 02:42 PM - Yahoo mail failures (dougsnash@yahoo.com)
24. 02:55 PM - Re: Yahoo mail failures (Matt Dralle)
25. 03:01 PM - Re: Subaru (LarryMcFarland)
26. 04:00 PM - Re: Subaru (Southern Reflections)
27. 06:06 PM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (John Marzulli)
28. 06:36 PM - Re: Subaru (Ronald Steele)
29. 06:42 PM - Zodiac XL vs. HDS (Shane Norwood)
30. 06:51 PM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (NYTerminat@aol.com)
31. 07:04 PM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (ProWash)
32. 07:31 PM - Re: Subaru (Southern Reflections)
33. 07:32 PM - wing tips and Gull wing Doors (Darrell Haas)
34. 07:45 PM - New to me. (LRM)
35. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
36. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
37. 08:07 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (ProWash)
38. 08:08 PM - Re: New to me. (NYTerminat@aol.com)
39. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
40. 08:16 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (AB_Summit)
41. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Electronics (Southern Reflections)
42. 08:27 PM - Re: New to me. (n282rs@satx.rr.com)
43. 08:35 PM - Re: wing tips and Gull wing Doors (Southern Reflections)
44. 09:12 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (ProWash)
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maybe you are thinking of Airfox? lenabeto@uol.com.br=0A=0Ado not archive
=0A=0A=0ADave Downey=0A Harleysville (SE) PA=0A 100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@b
ellsouth.net>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 2
2, 2007 11:28:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics=0A=0A--> Ze
nith-List message posted by: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth
.net>=0A=0AThe one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned win
g tips,and a =0Asmall window behind the seat. Thanks Joe N101HD=0A-
---- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net
>=0ATo: <zenith-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10
:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics=0A=0A=0A> --> Zenith-Lis
t message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A> if you a
re refering to the panel that was put on the zenith website, that =0A> is m
e.=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A>>From: Southern Reflections <purpl
emoon99@bellsouth.net>=0A>>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 7:56 PM=0A>>To: zenith-list@m
atronics.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics=0A>>=0A>>--> Zen
ith-List message posted by: "Southern Reflections" =0A>><purplemoon99@bells
outh.net>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person bui
lt ? that super=0A>>custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD=0A>>----
- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
=0A>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>=0A>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007
12:06 PM=0A>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>> -->
Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>=0A>>>
=0A>>> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.=0A>>>
=0A>>> Juan=0A>>>=0A>>> -----Original Message-----=0A>>>>From: george may <
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>>=0A>>>>Bill--=0A>>>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight
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my engine instrumentation and =0A>>>> EFIS=0A>>>> backup. No problem seein
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rom:=0A>>>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the R
V-8a I'm=0A>>>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I
measured and=0A>>>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don
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ay they all run=0A>>>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't k
eep up with a plane=0A>>>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying.
That it is too slow =0A>>>>and=0A>>>>is always trying to catch up ? I just
have not had the opportunity to =0A>>>>talk=0A>>>>to anyone actually using
the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of=0A>>>>money I hope to know
it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages =0A>>>>and=0A>>>>such as b
ack up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not =0A>>>>archive-----Original=0A>
>>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:=0A>>>>zenith-list@m
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mcast.net>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Your own words Don=0A>>>>"Also, the efis is about $
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iru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "=0A>>>>=0A>
>>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
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ounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying =0A>>>>to=0A>>>>sell=0A>>
>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the=0A>>>
>Inigma.....Geoff=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Read this topic online
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Thanks Craig, thats the one, only trouble is it's in spanish and all spanish
is greek to me.. I tried to click it to english ,but it would 't
work.Thank's again. I've put it on my favorites.I've Got to have a set of
those wing tips there suppose to slow landing even more ,plus lights in the
tips and they look hot. Joe N101HD 601 XL P.S> wing roots look
better too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>> The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing
>> tips,and
> a small window behind the seat.
>
> I think you are referring to Roberto Brito's plane in Brazil:
> http://www.airfox.com.br
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
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> only trouble is it's in spanish and all spanish is greek to me.
Actually it is in Portuguese. Google can translate it for you (sort of):
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airfox.com.br%2F&la
ngpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
or as a tiny URL:
http://tinyurl.com/2f6a6n
Roberto posts on this list occasionally.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 |
Does anyone on the list have experience with the Ram Subarus? I have
seen many mentions of Stratus, but fewer of the Ram shop. I would be
interested in hearing how they perform in "real life".
Thanks.
Chris Ross
At 01:58 AM 9/23/2007, you wrote:
>You should try a Ram built Subaru .100,130,140,or the Ram 250 Superchareged
>that ,ought to rip that 701's wings off with the 130 all of his engines are
>dynoed, so we are talking true HP. Not to mention he's been at it for 25
>years, that always help's a little too..
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| Subject: | Transponder antenna location forward of center section |
I'm building a 601XL from kit and at about 85% complete. I am looking for a
good place to install the transponder antenna forward of the center section.
I have installed the gascolator just in front of the center section in the
middle so that area isn't available. Will the nose gear block reception if I
locate behind it?
David Lautenschlager
Mobile, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Hi everyone,
Just wanted to post an update and ask a few more questions. I've received my Homebuilt
Help DVD's and watched them many times over and the process looks doable.
I've built a work table and have scrounged a bunch of metal to build a brake.
I've ordered and received the 701 info pack from Can-Zac and it looks good.
The guy I talked to at Can-Zac mentioned they may be having a rudder workshop
in Edmonton which is fairly close to me so I am thinking about attending it.
I just have a few more questions, the main thing that concerns me is the high cost
of the Rotax 912, I don't think I can afford to spend $15000 on an engine.
I see that the 701 used to be powered by a Rotax 582, would that be a better
option for me given my tight budget? I see 582's on Barnstormers for $3000 to
$4000 quite regularly. I hardly ever see used 912's for sale in the couple months
I've been looking. The performance wouldn't be as good as the 912, but there
are a lot of old certified airplanes with the same gross weight as the 701
that fly on 65 HP... Taylorcraft's, Champ's, Cub's, Luscombe's, Vagabond's, etc.
My next question has to do with the test flying process... assuming I go ahead
with the project and build an airplane, then go out and get licensed, I would
think that as a low-time pilot and first time builder I wouldn't be very well
qualified to be the test pilot. How do you go about finding someone to test fly
your homebuilt airplane?
That's all for now,
Thanks
Randy
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135905#135905
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Hey All: I guess I am blind I would agree that lights in the tips are a
great thing, but I did not see them.
Great looking airplane.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna location forward of center section |
My transponder antenna is less than 12" behind the nose gear.
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/swiss_mufflers5_small.jpg
It works fine. I fly out of Boeing Field. Once in a while,
maybe three times in hundreds of flights, ATC reported that my
transponder was intermittent for a short time. Antenna placement
may or may not have been a factor.
Joe E @ BFI
CH601XL, 491 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich wood prop 49x64
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, David Lautenschlager wrote:
> I'm building a 601XL from kit and at about 85% complete. I am looking
> for a good place to install the transponder antenna forward of the
> center section. I have installed the gascolator just in front of the
> center section in the middle so that area isn't available. Will the
> nose gear block reception if I locate behind it?
> David Lautenschlager, Mobile, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna location forward of center section |
As a general guideline, the transponder antenna should be located so as
to (A) have as short a feedline form the transponder as possible and
practical, (B) be a couple of feet or so from other sensitive
instruments which might pick up the short intensse bursts of its
transmission, and (C) be at leat three feet from other antennas,
(transceiver, localizer, VOR etc.).
The center C-channel under the cabin floor is a satisfactory place to
install the transponder antenna and unless it is immediately behind the
nose gear it should function well. I would place it at least a foot or
so back from the firewall to be safe on that account.
I decided while building the fuselage that there is so damned little
room for wiring to traverse fore and aft through the center section of
the spar, that I would close the center C-channel support under the
cabin by making a cover for it. The cover is retained by #6-32 flathead
screws and nutplates. The cover allows the use of that center C-channel
to run my brakelines back to the main gear legs, and to run wiring under
the cabin floor and the center section of the spar rather than trying to
run everything through the one small hole in its center. That hole
already accomodates the aileron torque tube, the rudder cables, and the
threaded rod from the center stick assembly to the elevator control horn
inside the console.
Because of that adaptation, the center C-channel was not a convenient
location for me. I decided instead to mount the transponder antenna in
the cabin floor through the rudder pedal bearing channel and centered
between the left seat rudder pedals. The pedal bearing channel
eliminates the need for a doubler to support the antenna. That location
places the feedline coax cable between the pedals where it doesn't
physically interfere with their movement and puts the antenna a
satisfactory distance from anything it might interfere with in the RF
sense. It also routes the cable where nobody's feet are likely to
traumatize it over time. Regardles of whether or not you use the
exterior C-channel as I did or not, this site in the pedal bearing
channel, centered between either set of rudder pedals remains a decent
option in the 601XL.
In the photo the antenna connector and the coax feedline can be seen
between the left side rudder pedals. The gizmo immediately forward of
the antenna is a Matco parking brake valve. The brakelines can be seen
running from the valve outlets to where they exit the cabin into the
center channel conduit.
I hope this helps you. Drying out yet?
Dred
601XL/Jabiru
Rayne, LA
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lautenschlager
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Transponder antenna location forward of center
section
I'm building a 601XL from kit and at about 85% complete. I am looking
for a good place to install the transponder antenna forward of the
center section. I have installed the gascolator just in front of the
center section in the middle so that area isn't available. Will the nose
gear block reception if I locate behind it?
David Lautenschlager
Mobile, Alabama
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> I guess I am blind I would agree that lights in the tips are a great
thing, but I did not see them.
They appear in later photos. Look in the photo album:
http://www.airfox.com.br/br/alb3/images/Clube-C%E9u-05_07-001_jpg.jpg
http://www.airfox.com.br/br/alb3/images/Clube-C%E9u-05_07-012_jpg.jpg
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? |
Anyone heard what the lead time is on an XL quick-build kit these days? I'd
ask the factory but it's Sunday.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? |
About a month and a half from Can-Zac, I dont have a personal life.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Quick-build kit lead times?
<craig@craigandjean.com>
Anyone heard what the lead time is on an XL quick-build kit these days?
I'd
ask the factory but it's Sunday.
-- Craig
9/22/2007 1:27 PM
9/22/2007 1:27 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 |
I have about 80 hours on my 100 HP Ram engine. It's still running well.
On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Chris Ross wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list have experience with the Ram Subarus? I
> have seen many mentions of Stratus, but fewer of the Ram shop. I
> would be interested in hearing how they perform in "real life".
>
> Thanks.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 09/22/07 |
Chris,
I fly behind a Stratus, but before the third hour of running, I sent my
heads to Ron of RAM Performance to replace valve guides with a
hat-section guide press fit with a temperature differential. He put in
larger valves, heavier springs and cleaned up ports. He improved the
reliability of my Stratus guides. Ron does exceptional work. I'd
suspect his engines are all the quality you'd expect as well. At the
time I was looking at engines, he had a cross-intake manifold with a
carburetor on top that cramped my cowl.
Now, I see he's got a first rate re-drive and a lower profile on the 100
hp engine to boot. I prefer the separate Bing Carbs for my Stratus, but
would have no difficulty
buying an engine from Ron if his price is currently right.
Larry McFarland 601HDS ( with 105 hours) at www.macsmachine.com
Chris Ross wrote:
>
> Does anyone on the list have experience with the Ram Subarus? I have
> seen many mentions of Stratus, but fewer of the Ram shop. I would be
> interested in hearing how they perform in "real life".
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris Ross
>
> At 01:58 AM 9/23/2007, you wrote:
>> You should try a Ram built Subaru .100,130,140,or the Ram 250
>> Superchareged
>> that ,ought to rip that 701's wings off with the 130 all of his
>> engines are
>> dynoed, so we are talking true HP. Not to mention he's been at it
>> for 25
>> years, that always help's a little too..
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Are you a member of a local EAA chapter? If you can find a good local
chapter with several active builders you can tap into their
experience and maybe even find a test pilot.
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:00 PM, AB_Summit wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> ...
>
> My next question has to do with the test flying process... assuming
> I go ahead with the project and build an airplane, then go out and
> get licensed, I would think that as a low-time pilot and first time
> builder I wouldn't be very well qualified to be the test pilot. How
> do you go about finding someone to test fly your homebuilt airplane?
>
> That's all for now,
> Thanks
> Randy
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Quick-build kit lead times? |
I don't know about the fast build kit, but I've been waiting for my wing kit for
three months now, so I think it's safe to say they're behind. I feel that I'm
financing their operation with my down payment.
Hans
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| Subject: | Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) |
I'm having a bit of a problem. The ("L") angle that attaches to the top of
the baggage back is off by exactly 10mm. This seems strange since every
other junction is dead on, and the longeron splices are exactly even between
the sides and the top. The flanges for the bulkheads were dead on.
So this leads me to believe it is a CNC error, but it's a little hard to get
up there to measure and prove it.
Anyway, this has produced a gap too big to shim and I'm not sure what to do
about it. One thought I had was to move the angle forward, but then the
existing holes would be directly over the baggage back and the vertical
("L") angles.
My other idea was to ignore the gap basically since when I test fit the
baggage back only the area near the gap didn't site flush. So I would add
some extra rivets towards the inside of the panel to make up for it, and
maybe add two gussets. My guess is that two rivets on each side would have
to be skipped.
Any thoughts?
I put pictures up on my blog: http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
Thanks!
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
You've had some flying experience so you obviously have a "feel" for what you are
getting into. In this age of "instant gratification" if you are willing to
work for up to ten years to achieve your dream of flight then you have my respect.
You might want to consider trying to arrange a test flight in a 701 to
help you decide if it is truly the aircraft that you want.
As far as flight testing and flight training is concerned, I don't know how many
hours you'll have to fly off in Canada (in the US it is usually 40) so unless
you've earned your license and acquired some experience I agree that a test
pilot would be in order. The suggestion of locating an EAA chapter or other group
of like minded people is a good one.
One of life's greatest blessings is being able to fly.... my advice to you is to
do whatever it takes.... you won't regret it.
Tim
--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Great suggestions, I don't think there is an EAA chapter near me, but I believe
there is an RAA chapter which I think is the Canadian equivalent. I'm going to
look into joining the local chapter.
Anybody have any thoughts on the 582?
Thanks
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
John,
It looks like you could just reverse the L on top.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: John Marzulli
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin (
CH-701 )
I'm having a bit of a problem. The ("L") angle that attaches to the
top of the baggage back is off by exactly 10mm. This seems strange since
every other junction is dead on, and the longeron splices are exactly
even between the sides and the top. The flanges for the bulkheads were
dead on.
So this leads me to believe it is a CNC error, but it's a little hard
to get up there to measure and prove it.
Anyway, this has produced a gap too big to shim and I'm not sure what
to do about it. One thought I had was to move the angle forward, but
then the existing holes would be directly over the baggage back and the
vertical ("L") angles.
My other idea was to ignore the gap basically since when I test fit
the baggage back only the area near the gap didn't site flush. So I
would add some extra rivets towards the inside of the panel to make up
for it, and maybe add two gussets. My guess is that two rivets on each
side would have to be skipped.
Any thoughts?
I put pictures up on my blog: http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
Thanks!
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a
lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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With the talk about Subarus does anyone know what the actual weight
penalty would be with a Sub' E81 vs Jabiru? The only numbers I've
been able to dig out online are 180lbs installed weight the Jab and
220 for Sub'. Does 40lbs difference sound about right? Are these
equivalent instals?
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
In a message dated 9/23/2007 4:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
I'm having a bit of a problem. The ("L") angle that attaches to the top of
the baggage back is off by exactly 10mm. This seems strange since every other
junction is dead on, and the longeron splices are exactly even between the
sides and the top. The flanges for the bulkheads were dead on.
Turn the top "L" around the other way and it will fit.
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| Subject: | Yahoo mail failures |
Hey guys, I have tried to respond to two postings this afternoon from my
Yahoo account. For some reason, Matronics seems to be blocking Yahoo
addresses (Likely SPAM overload from someone spoofing a yahoo account).
Hopefully Matt gets this note and can fix this for us.
Doug MacDOnald
CH-701 Scratch builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo mail failures |
At 02:42 PM 9/23/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Hey guys, I have tried to respond to two postings this afternoon from my Yahoo
account. For some reason, Matronics seems to be blocking Yahoo addresses (Likely
SPAM overload from someone spoofing a yahoo account).
>Hopefully Matt gets this note and can fix this for us.
>Doug MacDOnald
>CH-701 Scratch builder
>NW Ontario, Canada
>Do not archive
Doug,
Turns out the dynamic IP address you were using either as a dialup or DSL user
was flagged as a source excessive spam. Once you logged off and got a new IP
address that wasn't flagged as a spam source, your post made it though. You might
want to contact your ISP and tell them that one of their IP addresses - 70.43.3.66
- was being used for spam and that the email world is blocking it.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Hi Ron,
The engine is 182 lbs with 32 lbs coolant/radiator, hoses etc. Exhaust
system will vary this too. The installations differ on C.G. more because
some place the radiator and coolant (18 - 20 lbs) in the cowl and others
place the radiator under the belly bringing C.G. rearward.
There is no equivalence in price or cost to operate, but the 3300 is
generally faster.
Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus Subaru EA-81 at www.macsmachine.com
Ronald Steele wrote:
>
> With the talk about Subarus does anyone know what the actual weight
> penalty would be with a Sub' E81 vs Jabiru? The only numbers I've
> been able to dig out online are 180lbs installed weight the Jab and
> 220 for Sub'. Does 40lbs difference sound about right? Are these
> equivalent instals?
>
> Ron
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Mine is 183 lb. complete every thing It's a Ram custom built subaru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Steele" rsteele@rjsit.com JoeN101HD 601XL/Ram
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru
>
> With the talk about Subarus does anyone know what the actual weight
> penalty would be with a Sub' E81 vs Jabiru? The only numbers I've
> been able to dig out online are 180lbs installed weight the Jab and
> 220 for Sub'. Does 40lbs difference sound about right? Are these
> equivalent instals?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
The holes in the top skin are actually exactly where the flange needs to be,
so flipping the ("L") angle would only move the flange from being 10mm too
far aft to being 10mm too far forward.
And I'm pretty sure that the angle is in the right orientation.
If the flange was in the wrong orientation, then wouldn't there be a 20mm
discrepancy?
Thanks,
-John
On 9/23/07, NYTerminat@aol.com <NYTerminat@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/23/2007 4:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
>
> I'm having a bit of a problem. The ("L") angle that attaches to the top of
> the baggage back is off by exactly 10mm. This seems strange since every
> other junction is dead on, and the longeron splices are exactly even between
> the sides and the top. The flanges for the bulkheads were dead on.
>
> *Turn the top "L" around the other way and it will fit.*
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Make AOL Your Homepage.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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That's amazingly light for an auto conversion. This really gives me
something to consider. Since I'm so heavy, I thought I'd have no
alternative to Rotax/Jabiru.
Is there a summary of the difference between the RAM and Stratus
packages?
Thanks,
Ron
On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Southern Reflections wrote:
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Mine is 183 lb. complete every thing It's a Ram custom built
> subaru
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Steele"
> rsteele@rjsit.com JoeN101HD 601XL/Ram
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:20 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru
>
>
>> With the talk about Subarus does anyone know what the actual
>> weight penalty would be with a Sub' E81 vs Jabiru? The only
>> numbers I've been able to dig out online are 180lbs installed
>> weight the Jab and 220 for Sub'. Does 40lbs difference sound
>> about right? Are these equivalent instals?
>> Ron
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac XL vs. HDS |
Hi All,
I'm in a bit of a dilemma, so maybe you guys with some experience can offer
your input. I'm just getting started with my Zodiac project (rudder workshop
in November.) Due to limited hanger space, I'm really interested in going
with the HDS to save 4 feet of wingspan. I'm planning on using the Corvair
conversion, and I'm not concerned about LSA rules, because I will be not
operating my plane under LSA.
So I guess what I'm trying to find out is if there are any HDS builders who
have flown both the HDS and the XL who can offer a practical pro/con
assessment of each model. And is there anyone who built an HDS who wished
they had built a XL, or vice-versa?
Thanks,
Shane
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
John,
Looking at my drawings, 01/04, 7-F-3 shows the dimensions of the centers of
the L angles. How does that compare to your CNC holes? Also on my plane the
holes for the side skin and top skin at the upper longeron are lined up, I
think yours are offset by 10 mm. This may be the base of the problem.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:07:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
The holes in the top skin are actually exactly where the flange needs to be,
so flipping the ("L") angle would only move the flange from being 10mm too
far aft to being 10mm too far forward.
And I'm pretty sure that the angle is in the right orientation.
If the flange was in the wrong orientation, then wouldn't there be a 20mm
discrepancy?
Thanks,
-John
On 9/23/07, _NYTerminat@aol.com_ (mailto:NYTerminat@aol.com)
<_NYTerminat@aol.com_ (mailto:NYTerminat@aol.com) > wrote:
In a message dated 9/23/2007 4:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_john.marzulli@gmail.com_ (mailto:john.marzulli@gmail.com) writes:
I'm having a bit of a problem. The ("L") angle that attaches to the top of
the baggage back is off by exactly 10mm. This seems strange since every other
junction is dead on, and the longeron splices are exactly even between the
sides and the top. The flanges for the bulkheads were dead on.
Turn the top "L" around the other way and it will fit.
____________________________________
Make AOL Your Homepage.
_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List_
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) _http://forums.matronics.com_
(http://forums.matronics.com/)
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
I just went through the same situation two weeks ago. I drilled out the rivets
and installed a new "L" 5mm farther forward, through the same holes. This left
a gap of only 5mm. The rivets are very close to the flange, but I don't see
it as a problem. The baggage back wall flexed enough to work out well.
I spoke to Roger at Zenith about it. He said he would look into it.
--------
R Craig
North Central Arkansas
701 SP Just started.
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I would say so Ronald ,Straus is more of a stock set up. Ram is a built
engine more so with a lot of tuned parts,ported , tuned flowed heads,tuned
ex.pipes tuned muffler ,heavt duty valves,springs,and guides . custom alum.
forged piston's the list goes on and on. go to info@ramengines.com the
owners name is Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Steele" <rsteele@rjsit.com> Thanks Joe N101 HD 601XL Ram 130
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Subaru
>
> That's amazingly light for an auto conversion. This really gives me
> something to consider. Since I'm so heavy, I thought I'd have no
> alternative to Rotax/Jabiru.
>
> Is there a summary of the difference between the RAM and Stratus
> packages?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> On Sep 23, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Southern Reflections wrote:
>
>> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Mine is 183 lb. complete every thing It's a Ram custom built subaru
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Steele" rsteele@rjsit.com
>> JoeN101HD 601XL/Ram
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru
>>
>>
>>> With the talk about Subarus does anyone know what the actual weight
>>> penalty would be with a Sub' E81 vs Jabiru? The only numbers I've
>>> been able to dig out online are 180lbs installed weight the Jab and
>>> 220 for Sub'. Does 40lbs difference sound about right? Are these
>>> equivalent instals?
>>> Ron
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | wing tips and Gull wing Doors |
I had a chance to check out pictures of Roberto Brito's plane with
the wing tips and the gull wing doors at www.airfox.com.br and I wrote
him too see if I could order both the wing tips and the gull wing doors.
He sounds like a great guy but is too busy to produce either of them at
his place. Does anyone know others who have made similar wing tips
and/or gull wing doors? Where can one buy them etc? plans?
Thanks,
Darrell Haas
Fairview, Oregon
601XL wana be builder
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I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great Plains
Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never heard of
before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine cylinders to mix
enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done that, and if so,
what were the results and did it hold up?
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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that guy is in Brazil, wrong country.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 11:28 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing tips,and a
>small window behind the seat. Thanks Joe N101HD
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>>
>> if you are refering to the panel that was put on the zenith website, that
>> is me.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 7:56 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person built ? that super
>>>custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:06 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>>>>
>>>> Juan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill--
>>>>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and
>>>>> the
>>>>> D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and
>>>>> EFIS
>>>>> backup. No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180
>>>>> from
>>>>> the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>George May
>>>>>601XL 912s 150hrs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
>>>>>ElectronicsDate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From:
>>>>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm
>>>>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and
>>>>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be
>>>>>squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run
>>>>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>>>>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow
>>>>>and
>>>>>is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to
>>>>>talk
>>>>>to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of
>>>>>money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages
>>>>>and
>>>>>such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not
>>>>>archive-----Original
>>>>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:
>>>>>zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pmSubject:
>>>>>Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>>
>>>>>Your own words Don
>>>>>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles,
>>>>>But
>>>>>the
>>>>>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>>>>>
>>>>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
>>>>>Bells and
>>>>>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined
>>>>>EFIS/enigine
>>>>>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup,
>>>>>pitot
>>>>>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying
>>>>>to
>>>>>sell
>>>>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>>>>>Inigma.....Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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they dont speak spanish in Brazil, its portugese dude.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 23, 2007 10:06 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>Thanks Craig, thats the one, only trouble is it's in spanish and all spanish
>is greek to me.. I tried to click it to english ,but it would 't
>work.Thank's again. I've put it on my favorites.I've Got to have a set of
>those wing tips there suppose to slow landing even more ,plus lights in the
>tips and they look hot. Joe N101HD 601 XL P.S> wing roots look
>better too.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:56 PM
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>>
>>> The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing
>>> tips,and
>> a small window behind the seat.
>>
>> I think you are referring to Roberto Brito's plane in Brazil:
>> http://www.airfox.com.br
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Hello Randy,
I think the Rotax 582 in the Ch 701 can be a good choice for those of us on a budget.
I have been warned, but I am a rebel.
I am currently planning to use a Rotax 583 snowmobile engine on the 701. I know
that reliability, fuel economy and horse power are all concerns with the 2 strokes.
My justification for the Rotax is as follows.
I have approximately 200 hours behind Rotax 503 and 582 without a hint of trouble.
I know what they want and how to moniter them. I can handle maintenance
and overhaul myself. I am doing a zero time overhaul on this 583 now.
Total installed weight should be about 60 pounds lighter than 912 series.
The 583 with E-box, 3.47 ratio, 70 inch IVO 3 blade prop is supposed the produce
about 97 HP and 475 pounds thrust.
The most compelling issue is cost. I am estimating complete FWF cost at less than
$5000, including engine purchase, Zero time overhaul, new gearbox, new prop,
motor mount and cowl. That's about 13K to 18K less than a good 912 UL installation.
I figure I can afford the extra 1 GPH in fuel burn.
Am I crazy or what?
--------
R Craig
North Central Arkansas
701 SP Just started.
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Larry, There were some recent discussions on the Yahoo 701 list of how the
VW is not good for the 701. Not sure if you monitor that list or not. If
anybody could make it work, I know you can.
Take care
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 9/23/2007 10:46:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lrm@skyhawg.com writes:
I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great Plains Type 1
engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never heard of before. It
said that if you wanted to paint your engine cylinders to mix enamel and
gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done that, and if so, what were the results
and did it hold up?
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List)
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that guy is in Brazil, wrong country.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 11:28 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing tips,and a
>small window behind the seat. Thanks Joe N101HD
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>>
>> if you are refering to the panel that was put on the zenith website, that
>> is me.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Sep 22, 2007 7:56 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>>Hi Juan, a little off the subject,are you the person built ? that super
>>>custom 601 XL ? Thank's Joe N101HD
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:06 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>>>>
>>>> Juan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill--
>>>>> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and
>>>>> the
>>>>> D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and
>>>>> EFIS
>>>>> backup. No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180
>>>>> from
>>>>> the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>George May
>>>>>601XL 912s 150hrs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
>>>>>ElectronicsDate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From:
>>>>>japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm
>>>>>building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and
>>>>>the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be
>>>>>squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run
>>>>>together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>>>>>doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow
>>>>>and
>>>>>is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to
>>>>>talk
>>>>>to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of
>>>>>money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages
>>>>>and
>>>>>such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not
>>>>>archive-----Original
>>>>>Message-----From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To:
>>>>>zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pmSubject:
>>>>>Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>>>>
>>>>>Your own words Don
>>>>>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles,
>>>>>But
>>>>>the
>>>>>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>>>>>
>>>>>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000.
>>>>>Bells and
>>>>>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined
>>>>>EFIS/enigine
>>>>>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup,
>>>>>pitot
>>>>>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying
>>>>>to
>>>>>sell
>>>>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>>>>>Inigma.....Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
ProWash wrote:
>
>
> I am currently planning to use a Rotax 583 snowmobile engine on the 701.
>
How do you attach the gearbox to the 583? Being a snowmobile engine it isn't machined
and drilled and tapped to accept a gearbox. Interesting idea though, I
like hearing ideas from others on a tight budget.
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I know that Dude.. portugese,german,french,Itallian, spanish it's all
greek to me. mabye it's all portugese to me now ! who cares
----- Original Message ----- Joe
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
> they dont speak spanish in Brazil, its portugese dude.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>Sent: Sep 23, 2007 10:06 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>><purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Thanks Craig, thats the one, only trouble is it's in spanish and all
>>spanish
>>is greek to me.. I tried to click it to english ,but it would 't
>>work.Thank's again. I've put it on my favorites.I've Got to have a set of
>>those wing tips there suppose to slow landing even more ,plus lights in
>>the
>>tips and they look hot. Joe N101HD 601 XL P.S> wing roots look
>>better too.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:56 PM
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>>
>>
>>> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>
>>>> The one that I'am talking abouthad a custom canopy,up turned wing
>>>> tips,and
>>> a small window behind the seat.
>>>
>>> I think you are referring to Roberto Brito's plane in Brazil:
>>> http://www.airfox.com.br
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I did that on both the VW and Corvair. It seemed to work ok. Its more like a varnish
than paint. Just avoid the urge to smoke.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
n282rs at satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LRM <lrm@skyhawg.com>
To:zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: New to me.
I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great = Plains Type 1
engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never heard = of before. It said
that if you wanted to paint your engine cylinders to mix = enamel and gasoline
50/50. Has anyone out there done that, and if so, = what were the results
and did it hold up?
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| Subject: | Re: wing tips and Gull wing Doors |
There is a guy at my airport that had a co. that use to manfu. parts
like that. A friend of mine was telling me about him the other night at
the EAA meeting,I'am going to look him up. I'll let you know what the
out come is.
----- Original Mesagee Joe N101HD
From: Darrell Haas
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: wing tips and Gull wing Doors
I had a chance to check out pictures of Roberto Brito's plane with
the wing tips and the gull wing doors at www.airfox.com.br and I wrote
him too see if I could order both the wing tips and the gull wing doors.
He sounds like a great guy but is too busy to produce either of them at
his place. Does anyone know others who have made similar wing tips
and/or gull wing doors? Where can one buy them etc? plans?
Thanks,
Darrell Haas
Fairview, Oregon
601XL wana be builder
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
I sent the crankcase halves to Airscrew Performance in Glendale AZ and had them
machined and tapped for the provision 8 gearbox.
--------
R Craig
North Central Arkansas
701 SP Just started.
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