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1. 05:50 AM - Balistic Recovery Parachute (martyn@flight.co.za)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (ZodieRocket)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: Battery cable size (LarryMcFarland)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Gig Giacona)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: New to me. (LRM)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: stol ch701 wing profile (John Bolding)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 ) (ashontz)
8. 07:45 AM - Four Stroke Outboard Engines (ashontz)
9. 08:37 AM - trim tab (vann covington)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Four Stroke Outboard Engines (ProWash)
11. 08:40 AM - Re: Battery cable size (David Downey)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (japhillipsga@aol.com)
13. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (japhillipsga@aol.com)
14. 09:11 AM - Re: trim tab (LarryMcFarland)
15. 09:17 AM - Re: Battery cable size (LarryMcFarland)
16. 09:20 AM - Re: New to me. (Southern Reflections)
17. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Electronics (Juan Vega)
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| Subject: | Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Hello,
Has anybody here installed a Balistic recovery Parachute system to thier
701. If so what make and where did you attach the device.
Sincerely
Martyn Ward
CH701 - ZU-DPL
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| Subject: | Balistic Recovery Parachute |
BRS Installation Blueprints, this is the installation manual for the BRS
system in the 701. However, I would like to go on record that I have a
grave issue ( yes I chose my words correctly) with installing a BRS into
the 701. However, it is my personal opinion. Please research it closer
and make your own mind up. Check out the conditions in which you can
actually deploy it, think about a ROCKET mounted behind your head. I
personally believe they are a bigger danger to a pilot then flying the
plane (especially a 701 at 30mph) to a landing spot of about 100 feet to
save the plane, 10 feet to save yourself and most of your plane. Please
call me crazy if you wish, that's fine by me as I said this is just my
opinion but research the installation and usefulness of the BRS system.
Don't just take the hype at face value, research the planes design and
check the FAA record for Fatalities ( 701 has none with over 1000
flying)
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/data/701-brs-chute.pdf
I'm not against the BRS product, don't misunderstand that point, I
believe there are many planes that would benefit from the installation (
most Cessna's for example, in fact any plane that requires over 1000ft
of runway. But in a 701 I believe it is a bigger danger to have one
installed then not to.
The 701 is one of the safest planes I have ever flown, just in a time of
quiet reflection when that big fan may stop turning, (or you clip a tree
on final! You know who you are) then do what was drilled into your head
all those years ago FLY THE PLANE !!! Don't give up and pull a rocket,
in most instances you will be able to fix any hard landing in a 701, Ask
Jon Croke on that matter. If you pull a chute on a 701 you're buying a
new kit, the attachment points are not designed for the loads that will
be introduced.
For those of you who may not know Jon, please read his story at
http://www.ch701.com/stories/stories.htm
He is humble enough to share his experience so that others may not fall
into the same trap.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
martyn@flight.co.za
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
Hello,
Has anybody here installed a Balistic recovery Parachute system to thier
701. If so what make and where did you attach the device.
Sincerely
Martyn Ward
CH701 - ZU-DPL
9/25/2007 8:02 AM
9/25/2007 8:02 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
Randy,
The vibration is not going to affect any soldered cable connection of a
size 6 or larger, but I agree that small wires should be crimped
properly. When soldering
is recommended or felt necessary, extra steps should be taken to isolate
the wire from vibration. I have several cable connections that are
silver soldered
and only a few connections where pins are involved in multi-wire plugs
that needed to be soldered. These are encased in shrink wrap and tied
down to keep
vibration to a minimum. All I know "electrical" is found in the
complete manual sold by The AeroElectric Connection. Information Service
and Guide Theory,
Operation, Design and Fabrication of Aircraft Electrical Systems. by Bob
Knuckolls. His book advocates using battery cables with soldered
connections and
describes how best to do it. I have had to repair one 22 gage wire, non
Tefzel, (from an instrument) that broke from flexing as a 6-inch free
loop where no solder was
involved at 50 hours total time.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Randy L. Thwing wrote:
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Hello Larry:
>
> I have been warned by people supposedly in the know against soldering
> aircraft connections. Something about that if you solder a
> multi-strand wire, the solder binds together the mutiple strands and
> causes it to act like a large, single strand wire, when subject to
> vibration, you loose the benefit of muti-strand wire flexing and if it
> breaks it breaks all at once.
>
> Any opinion regarding this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
>
>
>> Welding cable is flexible and durable to a fault and the wire is fine
>> enough that connectors can
>> be soldered with excellent results.
>
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Since we are talking about chutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1PX7G0u0yI
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Not that many with the engine really. Most of them were my fault. In
as far as the engine goes, the only real issue with the engine is the
large power pulses. I had to go thru three props before I got one that
was acceptable. The Warp Drive had a blade that tracked out over 1/4",
I just could not get it to smooth out. I sold it on e-bay and lost my
@#$#. The IVO prop was worse, one of it's blades wouldn't even fit on
the prop hub without forcing it. They refunded my money. The Culver is
best, but too long and too much pitch. All I could get was 3k static.
It's now being re-done. I can't say enough good things about Larry
Smith at Culver. The engine runs great, I have 21 hours on it. After
all the engine is a Harley, and will never run as smooth as a car
engine, what it is, is what it is. I had the engine mounted too hard
to the firewall. I had eight mounts, so I felt every little shake
rattle and roll, it is now back to the normal six. I had two supertrapp
mufflers hung ridged off the engine, 4.5 lbs each, a foot back. They
magnified the vibrations. They sounded good but are history, I now have
straight pipes down.
The biggest other problem I had were with the plastic gas tanks and
lines from PegaStol. They used food service fittings and lines that
wouldn't hold up to gasoline. I ended up building my own glass tanks
and changed out all the lines to regular auto type fuel injections
lines. I had to take the wings apart twice, lots of time. And, lots of
little crap, like the EFIS didn't work, had to go back to the factory, I
broke a knob off the radio, etc. Then I had a spinner that I didn't
fasten properly and it came off at about 3000 rpm, and tore up the front
of my cowl. So I had to rebuild the cowling. For a while I think I was
snake bit. So I let it sit for a few months and did other things.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
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From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
LARRY, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE HOG - AIR ENG? How
many hr. did you have on it?
----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD 601XL
From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
Nope, this is for my new 701, totally different plane. Lengthened
the wings and going with VGs on this one. The Hawg is still up and
running, just waiting on a prop adjustment from Culver. I couldn't get
the static rpm I needed. Hopefully real soon. The Hawg is working out,
just takes a lot of patience. Building and designing is where the fun
is anyway, Larry
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From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to me.
Larry, this is going to be your 3rd engine installation, I am
sorry to hear that the Hog didn=92t work out for you. If it has any
weight, I have flown behind VW 701=92s and I would recommend a Gro
conversion with a Raven redrive. I have found this to be a far better
performer. However this is only my opinion and you do enjoy a challenge.
Check out Rick Roberts website for installation in a 701 and look
into www.nessaaircraft.net for great proven information on upping the
performance of the geo to make your 701 a true performer.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:45 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: New to me.
I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great
Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never
heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine
cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done
that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold up?
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: stol ch701 wing profile |
The airfoil is the 65018 18% thick. I assume you are asking about
the airfoil in total,
slat and all. It isn't exactly a 65018 either as Chris made
construction a little easier for us by eliminating the slight
undercamber on the lower surface and he flattened the top a little in
the spar area so we could use angle extrusions for spar caps.
LOW&SLO
John Bolding
----- Original Message -----
From: ashralf
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: stol ch701 wing profile
i would like to ask for stol ch701 wing profile
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with top pre-drilled fuselage skin ( CH-701 |
)
For stuff like this it's worth building the Zenith 48 inch bending brake.
txpilot wrote:
> John,
>
> I had similar problems when I built my rear fuselage. Here's what I suggest
as a solution:
>
> Talk to Roger at ZAC and order new 'L' brackets with one flange at 20mm (normal)
and the other flange at 30mm. Use these extended flange 'L' brackets on the
side skins. Remove your current side 'L' brackets, clamp the small flange
to the top and bottom 'L' bracket flanges, and drill through your existing side
skin holes into the new "long" flange. Yes, it will be slightly off vertical
if your bottom and top 'L' brackets are not plumb, but it seems from your picture
that it won't be too far off. It will guarantee the 'L' bracket flanges
will be flush with each other with no gap.
>
> BTW - on your website, you mentioned placing diagonal 'L' brackets on your skin
to reduce oil canning noise. I did the same on mine. I'm not flying yet,
so I don't know if it really helps. However, you'll notice ZAC has these 'L'
brackets on their aircraft model. Guess it can't be a bad idea.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Ginty
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Four Stroke Outboard Engines |
I already have my Corvair engine, but was curious if any one looked into four stroke
outboard power heads as an engine option? A Honda 90hp total weight is 379lbs,
but I'd have to imagine only 1/3 of that is the actual engine block, and
they're rated for 5500 rpm continuous use.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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I have a question about the electric trim tab in the elevator. I purchased a partially
built kit and the previous builder did not use the trim kit. Any suggestions
for a retrofit? Thanks, Vann, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Four Stroke Outboard Engines |
I have just begun looking into non traditional engine alternatives. Most outboard
motors have an open loop cooling system, with the water pump located in the
lower unit. This leaves a challenge to contain and pump the coolant in our
application.
Some of the newer personal water craft have a closed loop cooling system with small,
light weight, four stroke engines that put out 80 to 215 HP. Sea Doo uses
3 cylinder, super charged, fuel injected Rotax called 4-Tec. Honda also has
a nice unit with potential for flight.
Newer snowmobiles also have similar four stroke possibilities.
Most of these engines are high revving, requiring a redrive unit that adds weight
and may not be readily available. So this leads me to dream about the newer
motorcycle engines. The Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 cc puts out about 140 hp in stock
form. It gives you a choice of 6 gear reductions built into the transmission.
I'm guessing all installed weight to be around 165 lbs. These engines are
available on E-bay for under $3000 every day. I know these engines are bullet
proof.
Can you imagine a first gear STOL takeoff and then shift into high gear at cruise
altitude? With an inflight adjustable prop, this might be the ticket.
--------
R Craig
North Central Arkansas
701 SP Just started.
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
I respectfully disagree. Soldered connections lead to cable fatigue in ALL
cases - you may just not get there!=0A =0ADave Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) P
A=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: LarryMcFa
rland <larry@macsmachine.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesd
ay, September 25, 2007 9:46:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Battery cable
machine.com>=0A=0ARandy,=0AThe vibration is not going to affect any soldere
d cable connection of a =0Asize 6 or larger, but I agree that small wires s
hould be crimped =0Aproperly. When soldering=0Ais recommended or felt neces
sary, extra steps should be taken to isolate =0Athe wire from vibration. I
have several cable connections that are =0Asilver soldered=0Aand only a fe
w connections where pins are involved in multi-wire plugs =0Athat needed to
be soldered. These are encased in shrink wrap and tied =0Adown to keep=0A
vibration to a minimum. All I know "electrical" is found in the =0Acomplet
e manual sold by The AeroElectric Connection. Information Service =0Aand Gu
ide Theory,=0AOperation, Design and Fabrication of Aircraft Electrical Syst
ems. by Bob =0AKnuckolls. His book advocates using battery cables with sol
dered =0Aconnections and=0Adescribes how best to do it. I have had to repa
ir one 22 gage wire, non =0ATefzel, (from an instrument) that broke from fl
exing as a 6-inch free =0Aloop where no solder was=0Ainvolved at 50 hours t
otal time.=0A=0ALarry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com=0A=0ARandy L
=0A> <n4546v@mindspring.com>=0A>=0A> Hello Larry:=0A>=0A> I have been warne
d by people supposedly in the know against soldering =0A> aircraft connecti
ons. Something about that if you solder a =0A> multi-strand wire, the sold
er binds together the mutiple strands and =0A> causes it to act like a larg
e, single strand wire, when subject to =0A> vibration, you loose the benefi
t of muti-strand wire flexing and if it =0A> breaks it breaks all at once.
=0A>=0A> Any opinion regarding this?=0A>=0A> Regards,=0A>=0A> Randy, Las Ve
gas do not archive=0A>=0A>=0A>> Welding cable is flexible and durable to a
fault and the wire is fine =0A>> enough that connectors can=0A>> be soldere
d with excellent results.=0A>=0A>>=0A>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macs
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George, thanks for the info. I would appreciate the opportunity to see your
set up. Where are you located? I could use a good trip in my XL. Been doing
more building than flying and that just ani't
right. Best regards, Bill 601XL-Jab 3300 -120 hrs
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 6:34 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
Bill--
=C2-I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and t
he D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS
backup.=C2- No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 f
rom the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.
=C2-
George May
601XL 912s=C2- 150hrs
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Geoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns a
re is it really big enough to see. I measured and the eyeball to panel dista
nce is almost four feet. I don't want to be squinting trying to see some lit
tle light bar so far away they all run together. Also, a friend of mine said
the 180 won't keep up with a plane doing anything other than "airliner type
" flying.=C2-That it is too slow and is always trying to catch up ?=C2-I
just have not had the opportunity to talk to anyone actually using the unit
and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do
you have any backup steam gages and such as back up? Thanks and best regard
s, Bill
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 5:27 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
Your own words Don
Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But th
e
abiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells
and
histles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigin
e
onitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot
ube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to se
ll
ynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
nigma.....Geoff
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Juan, thanks for the info. Have you flown=C2-at night ? Is there a dimmer
to cool the light so you can see above the panel for landing ? I always have
a problem with instrument lighting when landing at night. Thanks and best r
egards, Bill 601XL 3300 120 hrs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:06 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
Bill--
I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the D1
80
ounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS backup.
No
roblem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from the pilot seat,
ither with or without split screen.
George May
601XL 912s 150hrs
ri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interest
ed
n the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns are is it really big enou
gh
o see. I measured and the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I
on't want to be squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away th
ey
ll run together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a pl
ane
oing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and is
lways trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk to
nyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I
ope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and such as bac
k
p? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not archive-----Original Message-----From
:
eoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep
007 5:27 pmSubject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
Your own words Don
"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But t
he
jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells
nd
whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigi
ne
monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot
tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to s
ell
>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
Inigma.....Geoff
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Vann,
The elevator is removable. If you'd built the elevator, you'd have to
have it completed to install the trim tab anyway, so I'd recommend you
consider adding
the externalized trim tab on your bench at home and follow the guidance
provided in the plans. The only complication is extending wiring for
this thru the plane, but that's
the worst of it. If you need more info, email me off site.
See link of installation,
http://www.macsmachine.com/html/trimtelevatortrimtabs.htm
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
vann covington wrote:
> I have a question about the electric trim tab in the elevator. I
> purchased a partially built kit and the previous builder did not use
> the trim kit. Any suggestions for a retrofit? Thanks, Vann, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
Dave,
I understand your concern, but a properly supported cable is not going
to get tired the first 100 years and fail all by itself unless you
put it under stress. Properly done cables are not placed under stress.
To have cable fatigue you have to hang a battery from it or
some flexing tensioned condition and in this case I'd agree with you.
Larry McFarland
David Downey wrote:
> I respectfully disagree. Soldered connections lead to cable fatigue in
> ALL cases - you may just not get there!
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
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LARRY , we had the same problem with a 2 blade prop , out about 5/16
out, sent the prop back they re checked it and sent it back, put it back
on, same prob. Heat got to be a prob. also . Joe N101HD
601XL
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From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
Not that many with the engine really. Most of them were my fault. In
as far as the engine goes, the only real issue with the engine is the
large power pulses. I had to go thru three props before I got one that
was acceptable. The Warp Drive had a blade that tracked out over 1/4",
I just could not get it to smooth out. I sold it on e-bay and lost my
@#$#. The IVO prop was worse, one of it's blades wouldn't even fit on
the prop hub without forcing it. They refunded my money. The Culver is
best, but too long and too much pitch. All I could get was 3k static.
It's now being re-done. I can't say enough good things about Larry
Smith at Culver. The engine runs great, I have 21 hours on it. After
all the engine is a Harley, and will never run as smooth as a car
engine, what it is, is what it is. I had the engine mounted too hard
to the firewall. I had eight mounts, so I felt every little shake
rattle and roll, it is now back to the normal six. I had two supertrapp
mufflers hung ridged off the engine, 4.5 lbs each, a foot back. They
magnified the vibrations. They sounded good but are history, I now have
straight pipes down.
The biggest other problem I had were with the plastic gas tanks and
lines from PegaStol. They used food service fittings and lines that
wouldn't hold up to gasoline. I ended up building my own glass tanks
and changed out all the lines to regular auto type fuel injections
lines. I had to take the wings apart twice, lots of time. And, lots of
little crap, like the EFIS didn't work, had to go back to the factory, I
broke a knob off the radio, etc. Then I had a spinner that I didn't
fasten properly and it came off at about 3000 rpm, and tore up the front
of my cowl. So I had to rebuild the cowling. For a while I think I was
snake bit. So I let it sit for a few months and did other things.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
LARRY, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE HOG - AIR ENG?
How many hr. did you have on it?
----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD 601XL
From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
Nope, this is for my new 701, totally different plane. Lengthened
the wings and going with VGs on this one. The Hawg is still up and
running, just waiting on a prop adjustment from Culver. I couldn't get
the static rpm I needed. Hopefully real soon. The Hawg is working out,
just takes a lot of patience. Building and designing is where the fun
is anyway, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to me.
Larry, this is going to be your 3rd engine installation, I am
sorry to hear that the Hog didn=92t work out for you. If it has any
weight, I have flown behind VW 701=92s and I would recommend a Gro
conversion with a Raven redrive. I have found this to be a far better
performer. However this is only my opinion and you do enjoy a challenge.
Check out Rick Roberts website for installation in a 701 and
look into www.nessaaircraft.net for great proven information on upping
the performance of the geo to make your 701 a true performer.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
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Subject: Zenith-List: New to me.
I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great
Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never
heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine
cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done
that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold up?
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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Bill,
the dynons have a dimmer system internally. the GPS i have has a dimmer as well.
the only thing without a dimmer is the readio and xpdr. not needed though
since they are not very illuminated.
compass is unlit. I have a red light behind be on a flex are that can be relocated
to the front panel by unplugging. strobes work great, nav lights work good
though one issue I had is nav lights with tail light pull 7 amps, the switch
the electrician put in is only 5 amps, so keeps goin on me. that is an easy
fix. some of the best flyin in florida is done shortly after sun set or on
a ful moon at night. I take my wife on date nights down the coast over the water
on a full moon clear night is unbelievable.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>Sent: Sep 25, 2007 12:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>Juan, thanks for the info. Have you flownat night ? Is there a dimmer to cool
the light so you can see above the panel for landing ? I always have a problem
with instrument lighting when landing at night. Thanks and best regards, Bill
601XL 3300 120 hrs
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:06 pm
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.
>Juan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:34 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>
>Bill--
> I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the D180
>ounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS backup. No
>roblem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from the pilot seat,
>ither with or without split screen.
>
>George May
>601XL 912s 150hrs
>
>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ElectronicsDate:
>ri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.comGeoff, I am interested
>n the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns are is it really big enough
>o see. I measured and the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I
>on't want to be squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they
>ll run together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane
>oing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and is
>lways trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk to
>nyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I
>ope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and such as back
>p? Thanks and best regards, Billdo not archive-----Original Message-----From:
>eoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 20 Sep
>007 5:27 pmSubject: Zenith-List: Re: Electronics
>
>Your own words Don
>"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the
>jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "
>
>If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells
>nd
>whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigine
>monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot
>tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to sell
>>Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the
>Inigma.....Geoff
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135539#135539
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This is not a problem since the trim tab can easily be cut after
completing the elevator. Check out the Zenith Builders web site for
latest drawings to be sure you are making the full span version of the
tab.
----- Original Message -----
From: vann covington
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: trim tab
I have a question about the electric trim tab in the elevator. I
purchased a partially built kit and the previous builder did not use the
trim kit. Any suggestions for a retrofit? Thanks, Vann, NC
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| Subject: | first batch of photos |
Okay, I finally got around to it. One correction from the earlier
email..... I had a brain fart about the screws I decided to use to
secure the cover. They are #6-32 button head stainless steel screws with
allen socket heads. The nutplates are K1000-6 with countersunk 3/32
solid rivets "squoze" in place.
In the photo of the rear of the cover, the brakelines had not been
threaded through their grommets yet. As the photos show, there is
nothing sacred about putting the transponder antenna and/or the
gascolator in the center channel. Since I am using that area to run
brakelines and wiring, I mounted the transponder's little "Marvin the
Martian" antenna between my left seat rudder pedals and the gascolator
ahead of and between the right seat rudder pedals.
If you have specific questions, ask and I'll try to respond.
Dred
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Transponder antenna location forward of
center section
Dred
The C-Channel sounds like a wonderful idea. Do you have any pictures
of that installation?
Thanks
Carroll
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| Subject: | next batch of photos |
Second batch
Dred
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This is the last batch. Write if you need more or other info.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Third and final |
My apologies to the list. The three recent emails with photos were
supposed to be sent off-list and I screwed up. Oh well, if anyone else
wanted to see them, the mistake has already been made. Mea Maxima Culpa,
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
That was a bad thing!
>------- Original Message -------
>From : Gig Giacona[mailto:wr.giacona@suddenlink.net]
>Sent : 9/25/2007 6:58:57 AM
>To : zenith-list@matronics.com
>Cc :
>Subject : RE: Zenith-List: Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
Since we are talking about chutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1PX7G0u0yI
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Third and final |
You did good Dred ,very informative . DO NOT ARCHIVE
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Third and final
My apologies to the list. The three recent emails with photos were
supposed to be sent off-list and I screwed up. Oh well, if anyone else
wanted to see them, the mistake has already been made. Mea Maxima Culpa,
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Third and final |
Thank you very much.
I'm not quite there yet but I kept remembering the nightmare I had at this
point with my RV. I believe you have the answer.
Thanks again
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
What about the 601XL...?
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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I recently purchased duplicate of two Homebuilt Help Videos:
Weight & Balance 101 for Homebuilts &
How To License your Homebuilt Aircraft
If any one is interested, I'll sell each for $25 including shipping. Please contact
me offline at Bluebird@Townsqr.com
thanks
phil
601XL O235 20%
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| Subject: | 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Can anyone tell me exactly how long the crate is for the 601XL fuselage component
kit...? So I can arrange for a trailer. I couldn't find it in the archives.
I learned the hard way (with my wing kit) that there's a BIG difference between
"12 feet" and "12 feet 6 inches". Especially when you try to use a 12 foot trailer
with a tailgate... :)
Thanks,
Patrick
XLCorvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Patrick,
I remember it being 12' 6". Also, one end was a bit heavier than the other. Place
this end towards the front.
Have fun!
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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| Subject: | Re: Third and final |
Dred,
We are all better off having seen them. It gives me some good ideas.
Thanks!
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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I think the design and photos are great! Consider posting them to the
Matronics photo-share, All though they can be viewed right now through the
messages my experience is that they will disappear in a month or so.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Third and final
My apologies to the list. The three recent emails with photos were supposed
to be sent off-list and I screwed up. Oh well, if anyone else wanted to see
them, the mistake has already been made. Mea Maxima Culpa,
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Mine measures 1/2 inch under 16 feet
Skipperclyde
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A two blade prop tracking problem is easy to fix, just put a little
aluminum tape under the low side between the hub and prop until you get
you get it tracking right. It doesn't take much to make a whole bunch
of difference at the tip. I had to do that on the Culver. A three or
four blade is possible to correct that way but harder to get right.
Both of these guys, i.e., Warp Drive/ IVO said a 1'4" out of track was
acceptable. I don't agree, if it ain't tracking true, it can't be
smooth. It is not so difficult to get it right. Warp Drive told me
that sometimes they come out a little different from the molds. Well
most of you know I do a lot of glass work and I'm here to tell you that
if you use the same mold on two parts and leave them in long enough to
cure, they are exactly the same. If you pop them early, they can
distort. They just get in a hurry and won't admit the problem.
I got the heat problem corrected, had to do some creative baffling, but
is under control. Take care, Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
LARRY , we had the same problem with a 2 blade prop , out about 5/16
out, sent the prop back they re checked it and sent it back, put it back
on, same prob. Heat got to be a prob. also . Joe N101HD
601XL
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From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
Not that many with the engine really. Most of them were my fault.
In as far as the engine goes, the only real issue with the engine is the
large power pulses. I had to go thru three props before I got one that
was acceptable. The Warp Drive had a blade that tracked out over 1/4",
I just could not get it to smooth out. I sold it on e-bay and lost my
@#$#. The IVO prop was worse, one of it's blades wouldn't even fit on
the prop hub without forcing it. They refunded my money. The Culver is
best, but too long and too much pitch. All I could get was 3k static.
It's now being re-done. I can't say enough good things about Larry
Smith at Culver. The engine runs great, I have 21 hours on it. After
all the engine is a Harley, and will never run as smooth as a car
engine, what it is, is what it is. I had the engine mounted too hard
to the firewall. I had eight mounts, so I felt every little shake
rattle and roll, it is now back to the normal six. I had two supertrapp
mufflers hung ridged off the engine, 4.5 lbs each, a foot back. They
magnified the vibrations. They sounded good but are history, I now have
straight pipes down.
The biggest other problem I had were with the plastic gas tanks and
lines from PegaStol. They used food service fittings and lines that
wouldn't hold up to gasoline. I ended up building my own glass tanks
and changed out all the lines to regular auto type fuel injections
lines. I had to take the wings apart twice, lots of time. And, lots of
little crap, like the EFIS didn't work, had to go back to the factory, I
broke a knob off the radio, etc. Then I had a spinner that I didn't
fasten properly and it came off at about 3000 rpm, and tore up the front
of my cowl. So I had to rebuild the cowling. For a while I think I was
snake bit. So I let it sit for a few months and did other things.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
LARRY, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DID YOU HAVE WITH THE HOG - AIR ENG?
How many hr. did you have on it?
----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD 601XL
From: LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to me.
Nope, this is for my new 701, totally different plane.
Lengthened the wings and going with VGs on this one. The Hawg is still
up and running, just waiting on a prop adjustment from Culver. I
couldn't get the static rpm I needed. Hopefully real soon. The Hawg is
working out, just takes a lot of patience. Building and designing is
where the fun is anyway, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to me.
Larry, this is going to be your 3rd engine installation, I am
sorry to hear that the Hog didn=92t work out for you. If it has any
weight, I have flown behind VW 701=92s and I would recommend a Gro
conversion with a Raven redrive. I have found this to be a far better
performer. However this is only my opinion and you do enjoy a challenge.
Check out Rick Roberts website for installation in a 701 and
look into www.nessaaircraft.net for great proven information on upping
the performance of the geo to make your 701 a true performer.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:45 PM
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I decided to go VW on my new 701. I ordered and got the Great
Plains Type 1 engine assembly manual. In it I saw something I never
heard of before. It said that if you wanted to paint your engine
cylinders to mix enamel and gasoline 50/50. Has anyone out there done
that, and if so, what were the results and did it hold up?
Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L
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| Subject: | avex rivet question |
After installation, what is the acceptable criteria of the finished
avex rivet? Is there any as with solid driven rivets on the shop head
diameter and height?
Thanks, Dick
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| Subject: | Re: Four Stroke Outboard Engines |
It could be that the liquid cooling requirements are too demanding for use other
than what the motor is designed for.
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Terry
I already have my Corvair engine, but was curious if any one looked into four stroke
outboard power heads as an engine option? A Honda 90hp total weight is 379lbs,
but I'd have to imagine only 1/3 of that is the actual engine block, and
they're rated for 5500 rpm continuous use.
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CH601XL - Corvair
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Here is how I did mine following the plans 6-T-6 dated 8/05 Recessed Elevator Trim
Tab. After fabricating the elevator is was hard to cut it apart. Take a
look here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=14761&row=366
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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Larry - You make it all sound so easy.
Breaking new ground like this is amazing, and sharing the experience with the rest
of us is appreciated.
I swear if I ever win the lottery I'm going to retire and just follow guys like
you around so I can learn stuff. If I ever buy lottery tickets. :)
>From my vantage point as a first-time homebuilder, it would be like learning from
Bernie Pietenpol or WW or Steve Wittman.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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I n the Zenith owner"s manual the "limitation" post the VNE @ 150. mph,
on there web site the vne is 180 ! what's wrong with this picture ?
This is for a 601 XL I also haven't seen a stated HP max. I know
there are 601's out there with 140 HP, mine is 130 hp . For what? if
the Vne is 150. I am prone to belive 180 mph but , don't want to pull
the wing's off. Joe N101HD 601 XL/ Subaru
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But they will make a great addition to HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org with permission.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:11 PM
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I think the design and photos are great! Consider posting them to the
Matronics photo-share, All though they can be viewed right now through
the messages my experience is that they will disappear in a month or so.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward
Moody II
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Third and final
My apologies to the list. The three recent emails with photos were
supposed to be sent off-list and I screwed up. Oh well, if anyone else
wanted to see them, the mistake has already been made. Mea Maxima Culpa,
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Mike Sinclair installed a BRS on his 701. Type Mike Sinclair or BRS in the archive.
Art
martyn@flight.co.za wrote:
Hello,
Has anybody here installed a Balistic recovery Parachute system to thier
701. If so what make and where did you attach the device.
Sincerely
Martyn Ward
CH701 - ZU-DPL
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Original design (Experimental category) and LSA standards.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern
Reflections
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: VNE
I n the Zenith owner"s manual the "limitation" post the VNE @ 150. mph,
on there web site the vne is 180 ! what's wrong with this picture ?
This is for a 601 XL I also haven't seen a stated HP max. I know there
are 601's out there with 140 HP, mine is 130 hp . For what? if the Vne
is 150. I am prone to belive 180 mph but , don't want to pull the
wing's off. Joe N101HD 601 XL/ Subaru
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The information I got direct from Zenith gives the Vne of the 601XL at
180mph. Mine is one of the earlier kits with the thinner rear skins. I
have test flown to verify this Vne with no problems. 150mph is the the
Vne of the 601HD, which is probably the model the owners manual you have
was derived from.
This page: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-engine.html states a
recommended engine power range of 80 to 125 Hp and up to 300 lbs
installed weight.
Southern Reflections wrote:
> I n the Zenith owner"s manual the "limitation" post the VNE @ 150. mph,
> on there web site the vne is 180 ! what's wrong with this picture
> ? This is for a 601 XL I also haven't seen a stated HP max. I know
> there are 601's out there with 140 HP, mine is 130 hp . For what? if
> the Vne is 150. I am prone to belive 180 mph but , don't want to pull
> the wing's off. Joe N101HD 601 XL/ Subaru
>
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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Thanks Bryan, the spec. sheet is the one that came with the plans,so it
may be a goof-up at the factory. My XL is the eariler kit also, with the
thin skin, I've been thinking about replaceing the rear deck with .025 it's
like flying in a oil can. Then on the other hand, so was the factory built
XL with the cont. engine. I know one thing mine has passed the" Shake" test
with the" Harley "engine that fist powered it. Thank's again for the info .
Joe N101HD 601 XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VNE
>
> The information I got direct from Zenith gives the Vne of the 601XL at
> 180mph. Mine is one of the earlier kits with the thinner rear skins. I
> have test flown to verify this Vne with no problems. 150mph is the the Vne
> of the 601HD, which is probably the model the owners manual you have was
> derived from.
>
> This page: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-engine.html states a
> recommended engine power range of 80 to 125 Hp and up to 300 lbs installed
> weight.
>
> Southern Reflections wrote:
>> I n the Zenith owner"s manual the "limitation" post the VNE @ 150. mph,
>> on there web site the vne is 180 ! what's wrong with this picture ?
>> This is for a 601 XL I also haven't seen a stated HP max. I know there
>> are 601's out there with 140 HP, mine is 130 hp . For what? if the Vne
>> is 150. I am prone to belive 180 mph but , don't want to pull the wing's
>> off. Joe N101HD 601 XL/ Subaru
>>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
> Do Not Archive
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By the way ,Bryan what's the hp. on your eng ?
Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VNE
>
> The information I got direct from Zenith gives the Vne of the 601XL at
> 180mph. Mine is one of the earlier kits with the thinner rear skins. I
> have test flown to verify this Vne with no problems. 150mph is the the Vne
> of the 601HD, which is probably the model the owners manual you have was
> derived from.
>
> This page: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-engine.html states a
> recommended engine power range of 80 to 125 Hp and up to 300 lbs installed
> weight.
>
> Southern Reflections wrote:
>> I n the Zenith owner"s manual the "limitation" post the VNE @ 150. mph,
>> on there web site the vne is 180 ! what's wrong with this picture ?
>> This is for a 601 XL I also haven't seen a stated HP max. I know there
>> are 601's out there with 140 HP, mine is 130 hp . For what? if the Vne
>> is 150. I am prone to belive 180 mph but , don't want to pull the wing's
>> off. Joe N101HD 601 XL/ Subaru
>>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Home Built Help |
Skipper Clyde:
Are you saying that you have duplicated Jon's videos and now want to
sell them for $25? Please tell me that you are not stealing his
efforts.
Stan
N701VG
On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:03 PM, SkipperClyde wrote:
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>
> I recently purchased duplicate of two Homebuilt Help Videos:
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> Weight & Balance 101 for Homebuilts &
> How To License your Homebuilt Aircraft
>
> If any one is interested, I'll sell each for $25 including
> shipping. Please contact me offline at Bluebird@Townsqr.com
>
> thanks
> phil
> 601XL O235 20%
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| Subject: | Re: Home Built Help |
I'm not stealing anyone's efforts.
I purchased duplicate originals and wish to sell one set of unopened, unplayed
originals.
Not unlike buying two of the same engines and deciding I don't need two, so I'll
sell one.
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