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1. 03:16 AM - Re: avex rivet question (jetboy)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? (DaveG601XL)
3. 05:09 AM - avex rivet question clarification (Dick)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: avex rivet question clarification (DaveG601XL)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? (SkipperClyde)
6. 06:56 AM - Open Hanger Day at Zenith (Fred Hulen)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: Third and final ()
8. 07:43 AM - Re: avex rivet question clarification (Gig Giacona)
9. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: avex rivet question clarification (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: avex rivet question clarification (Craig Payne)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? (Al Hays)
12. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Robert Loer)
13. 10:17 AM - Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 10:59 AM - Re: VNE (Bryan Martin)
15. 11:06 AM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Bryan Martin)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (n85ae)
17. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Robert Loer)
18. 11:47 AM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Steve Shuck)
19. 11:58 AM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Craig Payne)
20. 12:01 PM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Gig Giacona)
21. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: avex rivet question clarification (jeyoung65@aol.com)
22. 01:36 PM - Re: VNE (Southern Reflections)
23. 01:56 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (AB_Summit)
24. 02:01 PM - Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Gig Giacona)
25. 02:08 PM - Re: Battery cable size (Noel Loveys)
26. 02:39 PM - Re: VNE (Bryan Martin)
27. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Art Gibeaut)
28. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Bill Naumuk)
29. 04:36 PM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Al Hays)
30. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Southern Reflections)
31. 05:12 PM - Blank Messages (Jaybannist@cs.com)
32. 06:04 PM - Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute (Art Olechowski)
33. 06:29 PM - Re: Battery cable size (Terry Fogelson)
34. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (William Dominguez)
35. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? (Southern Reflections)
36. 10:18 PM - HELP Advice please!!! (Dan Lykowski)
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question |
The rivet criteria is described in the building handbook, and is primarily set
by the modification to the riveter heads that are machined or obtained from ZAC.
Probably on the website too. The amount of dimpling should just leave a faint
trace of riveter contact on the sheet surface, any dent or permanent crease
is too much.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Skipperclyde,
Just to clarify it for Patrick, was your box just for the fuselage kit or the entire
airplane kit? I am glad mine wasn't that big as I never would have gotten
a 16' box home using my pickup truck. It has a 6.5' bed with a 1.5' tailgate.
That 8' bed was barely enough to haul my 12.5' crate home. I never would
have made it with a 16' crate!
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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| Subject: | avex rivet question clarification |
Thanks for the rivet puller side (the formed head) criteria Ralph.
My real concern was regarding the backside/otherside acceptance criteria
of the pulled rivet.
Thanks, Dick
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question clarification |
Dick,
Chris Heintz's Construction Standards manual as well as the Avex spec do not specify
a shop head dimensional requirement. They only publish a grip range spec.
If the actual grip falls into this range, I guess it is assumed that the shop
head dimensions are good. FYI grip range for the A4 rivet = 0-1/4" and A5
= 0-5/16"
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Dave
You are correct, mine is the quick build kit.
Thanks for catching my mistake.
SkipperClyde
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| Subject: | Open Hanger Day at Zenith |
I hope you will attend Zenith's Open Hanger Day this year. Weather forecast
is wonderful,... mostly sunny with high temperature around 80 degrees!
Check out the big line-up of activities on their web site
http://zenithair.com:80/news/oh2007.html They have really expanded the
activities, special presentations, etc. If you have never been there before
you're in for a really great time. Hope to see you there!
Fred Hulen Jabiru 3300 powered 601 HDS with 292 hours
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Permission granted. The original idea was from Videoflyer and that help plus the
help of a lot of other generous souls has gotten me this far. If I can help
anyone, I'm all for it.
Dred
---- ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> But they will make a great addition to HYPERLINK
> "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org with permission.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question clarification |
I've pulled hundreds if not thousands of rivets on my plane and I can't think of
one that has failed that there wasn't a problem on the finished side of the
rivet.
So I'm pretty sure that if the shiny side is OK the ship side will be as long as
you are using the proper rivets.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question clarification |
In so far as the grip length of pop rivets has came up again I will add my
two cents. Check the way rivet grip length are given in all manuals. For a
button heador dome head rivet the grip length is from the BOTTOM of the head.
Now on a countersunk rivet the grip length is from the TOP of the head. David
and all others that I have seen on this site list Avex's grip length for the
countersunk rivets. Zenith has chose to take a countersunk rivet and form the
into a button head but does not change the grip lenth. Has anyone who is in
the know taken a countersunk rivet and installed it through a max. grip
material and checked the formed end? Will the rivet be formed OK? Jerry of GA
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question clarification |
> David and all others that I have seen on this site list Avex's grip
length for the countersunk rivets.
In their construction standards (page 10) Zenith lists grip lengths of 0-1/4
inch (0-6mm) for the A4 and 0-5/16 inch (0-8mm) for the A5. Are they
allowing for the difference? Do their numbers differ from the Avex docs?
www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/zenair%20construction%20standards%20draft%201-07.p
df
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Patrick,
My 601XL fuselage kit (including canopy, landing gear and controls
kits) was in a crate 4 feet wide and 10 1/2 feet long. I wouldn't want
to bet on all crates for the same component kits being the same length.
It may vary depending on the dimensions of crating material on hand at
the factory and how they can use it with minimum waste of material and
time. My parts probably would have fit in a crate of slightly smaller
length, width and height but at more cost of time and wood scraps to
dispose of.
The crate for the 701 kit I received early last year was about 12 1/2
feet long as I recall. I was glad they used screws throughout the
crate which made it easy to take apart without damaging the lumber and
plywood and nearly all the screws are reusable. The crate materials
make real nice shelves to hold all the parts out of harms way till
you're ready for them.
Unfortunately, the 601XL fuselage kit was assembled with only a few
screws but mostly gunned roofing and framing nails. It's more trouble
to take apart without damaging the material or oneself and the crate
isn't as strong. I hope there is a worthwhile savings at the factory
end by changing to nails.
I found that my 5x10 utility trailer with ramp/tailgate worked okay
with the ramp folded down into the bed and the crate on top. It stuck
out the back some but I had the heavier end to the front and could have
added weight to the front if needed.
Al
ZenVair601XL starting fuselage
CH 701 on "back burner"
On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me exactly how long the crate is for the 601XL
> fuselage component kit...? So I can arrange for a trailer. I
> couldn't find it in the archives.
>
> I learned the hard way (with my wing kit) that there's a BIG
> difference between "12 feet" and "12 feet 6 inches". Especially when
> you try to use a 12 foot trailer with a tailgate... :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
> XLCorvair
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136392#136392
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Why do I get posts like the one below that appear to be blank? Am I doing something
wrong?
------- Original Message -------
>From : Art Olechowski[mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
Sent : 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
To : zenith-list@matronics.com
Cc :
Subject : RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuselage Component Crate Length? |
Patrick, If you will call Zenith, they will give you the exact dimensions of your
crate.
Jay in Dallas, 601XL N3630J
Do not archive
>
>
>On Sep 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, PatrickW wrote:
>
>>
>> Can anyone tell me exactly how long the crate is for the 601XL
>> fuselage component kit...? So I can arrange for a trailer. I
>> couldn't find it in the archives.
>>
>> I learned the hard way (with my wing kit) that there's a BIG
>> difference between "12 feet" and "12 feet 6 inches". Especially when
>> you try to use a 12 foot trailer with a tailgate... :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Patrick
>> XLCorvair
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136392#136392
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I have the 100Hp engine.
Southern Reflections wrote:
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> By the way ,Bryan what's the hp. on your eng ? Joe N101HD
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
I get them too sometimes, it's usually a glitch on the sender's end.
Usually caused by HTML content getting stripped off. If you view the
message source you can usually read the text of the message that was
sent unless it really was a blank e-mail.
Robert Loer wrote:
>
> Why do I get posts like the one below that appear to be blank? Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> *From :* Art Olechowski[mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent :* 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
> *To :* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Cc :*
> *Subject :* RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
I would highly encourage anybody to get their license first, and fly for
a couple years first before buying or starting a kit. The plane you desire
after you have some experience may be vastly different than what
you think you want now.
A kit is a MAJOR commitment of time, you might regret it later. In fact
the difference between low wing and high wing in itself is something you
might find you have a preference change, from just having some time in
the saddle.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Good tip. Thanks
>------- Original Message -------
>From : Bryan Martin[mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net]
>Sent : 9/26/2007 11:07:20 AM
>To : zenith-list@matronics.com
>Cc :
>Subject : RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
I get them too sometimes, it's usually a glitch on the sender's end.
Usually caused by HTML content getting stripped off. If you view the
message source you can usually read the text of the message that was
sent unless it really was a blank e-mail.
Robert Loer wrote:
>
> Why do I get posts like the one below that appear to be blank? Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> *From :* Art Olechowski[ mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent :* 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
> *To :* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Cc :*
> *Subject :* RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
So what about a Balistic Recovery system for the 601? Anyone have any information?
I get them too sometimes, it's usually a glitch on the sender's end.
Usually caused by HTML content getting stripped off. If you view the
message source you can usually read the text of the message that was
sent unless it really was a blank e-mail.
Robert Loer wrote:
>
> Why do I get posts like the one below that appear to be blank? Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> *From :* Art Olechowski[mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent :* 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
> *To :* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Cc :*
> *Subject :* RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
> *
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--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Balistic Recovery Parachute |
> So what about a Balistic Recovery system for the 601? Anyone have any
information?
Scott has the nicest installation I've seen:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
Also look on the Photo guide CD for this file: extras\brs-chute-601.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Scott has a bunch of photos of his installation on his site.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BRS.html
stshuck2(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> So what about a Balistic Recovery system for the 601? Anyone have any information?
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: avex rivet question clarification |
The grip length on Zenithair and Avex are the same so there is no allowance for
the difference. Jerry-GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:31 am
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: avex rivet question clarification
?> ?David and all others that I have seen on this site list Avex's grip length
for the countersunk rivets.?
?
In their construction standards (page 10) Zenith lists grip lengths of 0-1/4 inch
(0-6mm) for the A4 and 0-5/16 inch (0-8mm) for the A5. Are they allowing for
the difference? Do their numbers differ from the Avex docs?
?
www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/zenair%20construction%20standards%20draft%201-07.pdf?
?
-- Craig
?
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Bryan, do you have the dual pick up dist. with dual coil? if so do you have
your tach . hooked to brain part of the coil on one coil? ,or do you have it
tied in to both coils when to switched to Both run up is fine .When
switched to the # 1coil that's running the tach. I get slight break down ,
when switched to the#2 coil every thing is fine, but needless to say no tach
Ever had any thing like this? I am running a UMA tach. Thank's Joe
N101 HD 601XL/ RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Martin" <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VNE
>
> I have the 100Hp engine.
>
> Southern Reflections wrote:
>> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> By the way ,Bryan what's the hp. on your eng ? Joe N101HD
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
n85ae wrote:
> I would highly encourage anybody to get their license first, and fly for
> a couple years first before buying or starting a kit. The plane you desire
> after you have some experience may be vastly different than what
> you think you want now.
>
> A kit is a MAJOR commitment of time, you might regret it later. In fact
> the difference between low wing and high wing in itself is something you
> might find you have a preference change, from just having some time in
> the saddle.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
Realistically I can't afford to fly if I have to pay $158/hr for dual instruction
in a 152 and $110/hr to rent a 152 solo. Scratch building is a way that I'll
be able to still be able to be involved in aviation in a way that fits my budget.
When I'm done I can fly the 701 under a Canadian ultralight permit, which
is much cheaper to get than a PPL.
Regarding not knowing the type of flying I want to do or the type of plane I want,
I'm pretty sure I have a good idea. I've got a wife and 3 kids, so unless
I buy a Cherokee 6 or a Cessna 206 (which is totally beyond my budget) I'm not
going to be doing any cross countries with the family.
My interests lie mostly in the outdoors, so here's the type of stuff I'd like to
do with my airplane:
- go river flying to scope out a canoe route I've never been down before.
- explore a new snowmobiling area by air.
- go hunting or fishing, or just look for game.
- fly into the rough, high altitude strips on the edge of the mountains near where
I live.
- just go out for a low and slow evening sight-seeing flight with one of my kids.
All of this stuff involves being able to see the ground well and none of it requires
a fast airplane. I doubt my wife will even be interested in flying with
me, so based on that I think a 701 with bubble doors will suit me just fine. There
a lots of other airplanes that could do the job and probably be better at
cross country stuff, but none that can be obtained as cheaply as a scratch built
701. If money was no object I'd just buy a Maule or a Cessna 180, but the
cost of an overhaul alone for one of those planes would pay for my whole 701 project.
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
AB,
If that is how you are going to use the plane the 701 is perfect for you. I do
have one suggestion though. Get you wife at least somewhat excited about it. Your
life will be better over the next 7 or 8 years.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Solder wicks up into the wire through capillary action. that causes all the
flex to occur at the point where the solder ends... that's where it is
going to break not at the connector. Personally if a joint is going to be
subjected to vibration, regardless of the wire size, I'll pass on the
solder.
So far I have resoldered a #24 wire three times in my GPS. It always
breaks at the point where the solder ends. This is a very small wire which
connects the external power tab to the positive terminal of the circuit
board.
Before any one asks I haven't done a cold solder joint in more than thirty
years.
Noel
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I have a Nipondenso distributor with a Beck Arnley ignition module in
it. The original Nipondenso module failed before I even started the
engine for the first time. I also have the Stratus backup ignition
module that runs off a pick-up mounted on the starter ring gear. I have
two coils connected through a coil splitter to the single set of plugs.
On the input side of the coils, I have a couple of signal diodes wired
up so that whichever coil is running the engine is also feeding a signal
back to the VDO tachometer. I have my system set up so that only one
coil can operate at a time. I've had no trouble with this setup. The
tachometer came with the Zenith firewall forward package for the Stratus
engine. The ignition system parts all came with the Stratus engine.
Southern Reflections wrote:
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bryan, do you have the dual pick up dist. with dual coil? if so do you
> have your tach . hooked to brain part of the coil on one coil? ,or do
> you have it tied in to both coils when to switched to Both run up is
> fine .When switched to the # 1coil that's running the tach. I get
> slight break down , when switched to the#2 coil every thing is fine, but
> needless to say no tach Ever had any thing like this? I am running a UMA
> tach. Thank's Joe N101 HD 601XL/ RAM
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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For what its worth, I get the same thing.=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A-----
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
AB-
REALITY CHECK!
Not quite. Very few Zenith builders get out for less than $30K-$40K.
You could buy a zero-time engine for that.
The money is trivial, the time you spend building isn't. I don't want
to think about what my HDS actually cost if I counted the hours I've spent
on my project at the rate I get at work. However, I'm sure I still beat the
cost of a new Cessna 162. Buying used is a different story.
After a while, you'll find out. Money IS no object when you just want
to get the damned thing in the air. You also have to factor in the
satisfaction that you're part of one of less than 1% of the world population
that homebuilds.
My second project should go much smoother........
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
If money was no object I'd just buy a Maule or a Cessna 180, but the cost
of an overhaul alone for one of those planes would pay for my whole 701
project.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136615#136615
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Art & Robert,
I've been getting the same thing but usually can get the text displayed
by going to the "View" drop down menu and selecting "Plain Text
Alternative" under "Message". It's a nuisance. I'm using a Mac so
wonder if it also happens to the PC Windows guys.
Regarding the ballistic recovery chutes for 701s and 601s, I considered
it for the 701 but came to the same conclusion as Mark from Can-Zac
expressed so well in an earlier post. I considered it more seriously
for the 601 but the same rationale applies to some degree. I also had
to consider the service life of the rocket is 12 years, a chute repack
every 6 years, initial cost, loss of baggage space and some weight
involved. I suppose it may make some passengers feel safer, but others
may ask why the chute is needed if it's supposed to be so safe.
Al Hays
ZenVair 601XL
Gore, VA
On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Art Gibeaut wrote:
> For what its worth, I get the same thing.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Robert Loer <rloer@aceweb.com>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:14:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
>
> Why do I get posts like the one below that appear to be blank? Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> From : Art Olechowski[mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent : 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
> To : zenith-list@matronics.com
> Cc :
> Subject : RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery Parachute
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Bill you are 101% correct There's a point where " You Want to Get The DAMM
Thing Flying! In my case I'ts " Get The DAMM Thing Flying Again ! I'am in
to the tune of over 51 Large, and it don' t really matter any more! It's
going to look the I want it to ,be power the way I want it with the type
prop Iwant, and it goes on and on ,But who cares ! You "gota do something
that makes you happy" This Is a learing experience for me,and I wouldn't
have missed it for the world. Made alot of friends, met a lot very smart
people and very few smart Asses,and learned a lot about airplanes, and a
littlt more about people in general . I think building a kit,or rebuilding a
kit. is a real Blast...
----- Original Message ----- Joe N101HD 601 XL / RAM
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into
aviation?
>
> AB-
> REALITY CHECK!
> Not quite. Very few Zenith builders get out for less than $30K-$40K.
> You could buy a zero-time engine for that.
> The money is trivial, the time you spend building isn't. I don't want
> to think about what my HDS actually cost if I counted the hours I've spent
> on my project at the rate I get at work. However, I'm sure I still beat
> the cost of a new Cessna 162. Buying used is a different story.
> After a while, you'll find out. Money IS no object when you just want
> to get the damned thing in the air. You also have to factor in the
> satisfaction that you're part of one of less than 1% of the world
> population that homebuilds.
> My second project should go much smoother........
>
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
> If money was no object I'd just buy a Maule or a Cessna 180, but the cost
> of an overhaul alone for one of those planes would pay for my whole 701
> project.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136615#136615
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Al, I am using a PC with Windows and get the blank e-mails every now and then.
I have discovered that if I go to "reply", I can usually see the message.
Jay in Dallas
Do not archive
Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:
>
>Art & Robert,
>
>I've been getting the same thing but usually can get the text displayed
>by going to the "View" drop down menu and selecting "Plain Text
>Alternative" under "Message". It's a nuisance. I'm using a Mac so
>wonder if it also happens to the PC Windows guys.
>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Balistic Recovery Parachute |
Al,
The e-mail option you describe is only available if
your using MS Outlook and I'm not. I use the SBC
yahoo browser to send e-mails. I will check my e-mail
settings to send plain text in lieu of HTML format.
In relation to the BRS, I have only personal opinions
to offer; trust a proven design and your piloting
abilities which leads me to, if its time to leave this
world it would be better than going in a lazy boy, as
long as know one else was hurt during the event.
do not archive
Art
--- Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:
> <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>
> Art & Robert,
>
> I've been getting the same thing but usually can get
> the text displayed
> by going to the "View" drop down menu and selecting
> "Plain Text
> Alternative" under "Message". It's a nuisance. I'm
> using a Mac so
> wonder if it also happens to the PC Windows guys.
>
> Regarding the ballistic recovery chutes for 701s and
> 601s, I considered
> it for the 701 but came to the same conclusion as
> Mark from Can-Zac
> expressed so well in an earlier post. I considered
> it more seriously
> for the 601 but the same rationale applies to some
> degree. I also had
> to consider the service life of the rocket is 12
> years, a chute repack
> every 6 years, initial cost, loss of baggage space
> and some weight
> involved. I suppose it may make some passengers
> feel safer, but others
> may ask why the chute is needed if it's supposed to
> be so safe.
>
> Al Hays
> ZenVair 601XL
>
> Gore, VA
> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Art Gibeaut wrote:
>
> > For what its worth, I get the same thing.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Robert Loer <rloer@aceweb.com>
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:14:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery
> Parachute
> >
> >
> > Why do I get posts like the one below that appear
> to be blank? Am I
> > doing something wrong?
> >
> >
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > From : Art
> Olechowski[mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent : 9/25/2007 6:40:06 PM
> > To : zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Cc :
> > Subject : RE: Re: Zenith-List: Balistic Recovery
> Parachute
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Battery cable size |
I second what Noel says, all military wiring is crimp
type lugs, not soldered. The only thing I have ever
seen soldered on a military aircraft is small wires
into a cannon plug, but then there is a strain relief
to keep the wire from flexing at the solder joint.
There is also lots of clamps and tiewraps around wire
bundles.
Terry
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Solder wicks up into the wire through capillary
> action. that causes all the
> flex to occur at the point where the solder ends...
> that's where it is
> going to break not at the connector. Personally if
> a joint is going to be
> subjected to vibration, regardless of the wire size,
> I'll pass on the
> solder.
>
> So far I have resoldered a #24 wire three times in
> my GPS. It always
> breaks at the point where the solder ends. This is
> a very small wire which
> connects the external power tab to the positive
> terminal of the circuit
> board.
>
> Before any one asks I haven't done a cold solder
> joint in more than thirty
> years.
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
AB is scratch building, if he goes with the alternative engine route, he will be
well bellow $30K.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com
AB-
REALITY CHECK!
Not quite. Very few Zenith builders get out for less than $30K-$40K.
You could buy a zero-time engine for that.
The money is trivial, the time you spend building isn't. I don't want
to think about what my HDS actually cost if I counted the hours I've spent
on my project at the rate I get at work. However, I'm sure I still beat the
cost of a new Cessna 162. Buying used is a different story.
After a while, you'll find out. Money IS no object when you just want
to get the damned thing in the air. You also have to factor in the
satisfaction that you're part of one of less than 1% of the world population
that homebuilds.
My second project should go much smoother........
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
If money was no object I'd just buy a Maule or a Cessna 180, but the cost
of an overhaul alone for one of those planes would pay for my whole 701
project.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136615#136615
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get into aviation? |
Thats a good thing, if he can make it happen. I would thiink it
would very basic and not,climb or fly that fast IF he can bring it in at
that price. Funny you should quote that number, thats the price we were
shooting at . As you move along things change, not to forget mistakes
etc. I'am not saying that it can't happen.i'am saying there's a good
chance it won't happen. Best of luck to him
Joe N101HD 601HD XL / RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: William Dominguez
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Building as a way for a non-pilot to get
into aviation?
AB is scratch building, if he goes with the alternative engine route,
he will be well bellow $30K.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
AB-
REALITY CHECK!
Not quite. Very few Zenith builders get out for less than $30K-$40K.
You could buy a zero-time engine for that.
The money is trivial, the time you spend building isn't. I don't
want
to think about what my HDS actually cost if I counted the hours I've
spent
on my project at the rate I get at work. However, I'm sure I still
beat the
cost of a new Cessna 162. Buying used is a different story.
After a while, you'll find out. Money IS no object when you
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| Subject: | HELP Advice please!!! |
All,
I am looking for advice on what to do about this. I have contacted the shipper
and will tomorrow morning (9/27) be contacting Zenith to find out what I need
to do to make a claim. I don't know if the spar is bent, but it has some nasty
gouges in it. The instructions on the shipping slip says to leave everything
in the state of when I found the damage.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lykowdk/DamagedCrate
I know this is not Zeniths fault.
Any advice will be very much appreciated.
Why do I always get crappy shippers.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avioncs
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