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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Building as a way......+BRS + Cost, Update, etc... (Scott Laughlin)
2. 01:30 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Bryan Martin)
3. 02:37 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Al Hays)
4. 03:14 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (robert stone)
5. 04:19 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Bryan Martin)
6. 04:33 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Jeff)
7. 04:57 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
8. 05:43 PM - Re: 701 in New England? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Bob Unternaehrer)
10. 06:27 PM - uncommanded flap deployment help needed (ken smith)
11. 06:39 PM - Re: uncommanded flap deployment help needed (Craig Payne)
12. 06:51 PM - Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? (Jeff)
13. 07:27 PM - Re: New 95hp engine design. (kmccune)
14. 07:49 PM - Re: uncommanded flap deployment help needed (wade jones)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: 701 in New England? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
16. 09:11 PM - Re: New 95hp engine design. (jetboy)
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| Subject: | Re: Building as a way......+BRS + Cost, Update, etc... |
Bill Naumuk:
The truck is mine and I must have a clean driveway because I didn't get a s
cratch on it. The ground at the hangar has a lot of pebbles and debris so
I did fill the hangar up with a run-up a few months ago and spent an hour s
weeping it out. I point the nose differently now. Concerning the street
taxi-test, I live in a pretty quiet place (except for me) so nobody really
noticed the few times I rambled down the street way back when and I only di
d it a few times but the video lives forever. If you click on "more for thi
s user" on Youtube you can see some taxis at the airport with the wings on.
Nobody complained about that either.
Dave Gallagher:
I left my camera in a rental car last week in Pittsburgh so I didn't get an
y pictures yesterday. I'll try to bring a backup camera today to the hanga
r and show you some examples of where I went wrong on my wiring and how I f
ixed it. Basically if you can wiggle your wires too much or if they can to
uch any metal, you need to secure them. There are several other examples l
ike tie-wrapping a metal cable to the engine mount, not securing spark plug
wires well, etc. I'll try to put a list of items on my website when I get
a minute.
I want to thank Dave Miller and Brad Saffron (fellow 601XL builders) for th
eir help yesterday. Dave has been a huge help to me in this finishing proc
ess so if you get a chance to talk to him, he can tell you as much about my
FAA inspection and how we solved the problems as I can. Dave was at the h
angar yesterday (and many other days) with me and worked as hard as I did o
n making corrections to my safety-wiring and wiring.
Go out there and build something today.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Time: 03:55:35 PM PST US
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Building as a way......+BRS + Cost, Update, etc..
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Scott-
You have the best neighbors in the world for a homebuilder. Always
wanted to know who the poor guy was who's truck was right in the prop
blast during your first engine run.
If it was yours, did you add in the cost of a new paint job for the
truck?
Bill Naumuk
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not
sold by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is
being built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build
kit aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is
not Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.
On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
>
> I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be
> happy with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better
> STOL characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics,
> intrigues me.
>
> Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the
> Patriot?
>
> It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was
> designed for the O-200.
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
I'm guessing that there have been folks anticipating the CH750 thinking
Zenith brought it out as the Patriot. I am hoping Zenith can offer the
CH750 by the time I've finished the 601XL.
When I was at a rudder builders workshop in May, I saw what at first
looked to me like an O-200 on a CH701 fuselage, but looking closer and
talking with a couple other attendees, we concluded it had to be a
CH750 in the works.
I wonder if anyone who's been there since then has seen it?
On Sep 30, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Bryan Martin wrote:
> As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold
> by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being
> built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit
> aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not
> Zenith, it is aseparate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.
>
> On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be happy
>> with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL
>> characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues
>> me.
>>
>> Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the
>> Patriot?
>>
>> It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was designed
>> for the O-200.
>>
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAMSubaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
Bryan,
You say in your message below that AMD does not build kit aircraft.
I think they build the ZodiacXL which is available as a kit so what is
it a factory certified aircraft because they build it?????
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the
Patriot?
As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold
by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being
built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit
aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not
Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.
On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
<mike.zedvair@gmail.com>
I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be
happy with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL
characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues me.
Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the
Patriot?
It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was
designed for the O-200.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
AMD builds and sells the CH601XL as a factory built, ready to fly
SLSA. They do not sell the airplane as a kit. Zenith Aircraft sells
the CH601XL as a amateur built kit. The 601 built by AMD is not
exactly the same as the kit sold by Zenith. So yes, it is a factory
built, certificated airplane because AMD built it under the SLSA
consensus standards. On the other hand, I believe AMD does make some
parts for Zenair that are used in the CH640 kit.
On Sep 30, 2007, at 6:12 PM, robert stone wrote:
> Bryan,
> You say in your message below that AMD does not build kit
> aircraft. I think they build the ZodiacXL which is available as a
> kit so what is it a factory certified aircraft because they build
> it?????
>
> Bob Stone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Martin
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the
> Patriot?
>
> As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not
> sold by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is
> being built under license by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't
> build kit aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit.
> AMD is not Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris
> Heintz's sons.
>
> On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
Bob,
All the Zenith related businesses are confusing. Aircraft
Development and Manufacturing (AMD) is in Georgia and is run by Mathieu
Heintz. They manufacture and sell certified aircraft like the Alarus (ie
CH2000). They also sell the ready to fly Special LSA version of the 601 XL
and the Patriot. They also have a version called 601 Xli which is
instrument flight certified. AMD does not sell kits. 601kits are
manufactured and sold by Zenith Aircraft Company (ZAC) in Mexico Missouri.
Sebastien Heintz is President of ZAC. Nick Heintz is the production
manager. ZAC does not sell ready to fly airplanes. Others like CANZAC
(Mark Townsend), Flightcrafters, and Quality Sport Planes (Michael Heintz)
sell kits and quick build kits. There are several companies selling
different, but maybe overlapping, products in the Zenith world. Each has a
web site if you want further details. Skyshops and Chip Erwin evidently no
longer have business relationships with Zenith.
Jeff Davidson
You say in your message below that AMD does not build kit aircraft. I
think they build the ZodiacXL which is available as a kit so what is it a
factory certified aircraft because they build it?????
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
Hello all,
I just got back home from the Zenith open house where I saw the CH750 fly. I
flew with Micheal Heintz in the 701 and of course I asked about the 750. He
said it flew really well ( of course) but they still had some tweaking here
and there to do. When I asked about a time line he said it would be some time
before you see kits. Like he said, you just can't build it and start selling
kits. All the tooling has to be built, the drawings developed and proofed,
molds for fiberglass parts etc. have to be created. It does have a 0200 on
it.
Compared to the 701 what I noticed about it just by looking was is has a
wider cabin, the struts are larger and the panel forward is a little different.
The tail feathers and aft fuselage appear the same. When I drove up I thought
it was a 701 until I got closer. We'll just have to wait but it looked like
the answer to the 701 shortcomings, if there are any.
Wayne Clagg
Ch701 coming along
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in New England? |
Dave,
I'd be happy to, live near Cortland NY, N03.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/CH701/912S
In a message dated 9/29/2007 7:36:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dkbrooks@gmail.com writes:
I have been watching all the messages go by where very generous 601 and 701
owners have offered to show off their planes to prospective builders/buyers
and I was wondering if there might be someone up in my neck of the woods who
would be willing to do the same? I am very interested in the 701 and would
love to get up close to one. Fuel and $100 burger are on me.
I live in north-central New Hampshire and I can travel as far as Boston, all
over New Hampshire and Vermont, even up-state New York if I have to. There
is a distinct possibility of a layoff coming my way (a good thing, in my
case) so my time may become very free after the first of the year.
Thanks
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
There is a low wing "patriot" owned by Don Zank, but I guess you have
said this "Patriot" is a high wing design. Where can you see infor on
the Patriot that AMD is developing. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the
Patriot?
As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold
by Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being
built under liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit
aircraft, I doubt the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not
Zenith, it is a separate company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.
On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
<mike.zedvair@gmail.com>
I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be
happy with a 601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL
characteristics and similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues me.
Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the
Patriot?
It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was
designed for the O-200.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | uncommanded flap deployment help needed |
Sometimes the flaps on my 601Xl deploy when they are
not supposed to. They always go to the full flap
position. This can occur when I hit the starter
switch, and also when I turn on the avionics once the
engine is running. I have the 4 inch unit bought from
the surplus center.
Anyone have any ideas for the fix?
Ken
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| Subject: | uncommanded flap deployment help needed |
Are you using the matching three-button electronic controller also sold by
Surplus Center? It is probably picking up electrical noise. Use mechanical
switches instead wired like those for the Zenith factory actuator (page
6-B-20 in the plans). With the switch in the center (off) position there
will be no power applied to the motor so it can not move.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot? |
Try http://www.newplane.com/ do not archive
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?
There is a low wing "patriot" owned by Don Zank, but I guess you have said
this "Patriot" is a high wing design. Where can you see infor on the
Patriot that AMD is developing. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan <mailto:bryanmmartin@comcast.net> Martin
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Will there be a Zenith kit version of the Patriot?
As I understand it, the Patriot is not a Zenith design and is not sold by
Zenith. It was designed by a South American company and is being built under
liscense by AMD in Georgia. Since AMD doesn't build kit aircraft, I doubt
the Patriot will be offered as a kit. AMD is not Zenith, it is a separate
company run by one of Chris Heintz's sons.
On Sep 29, 2007, at 6:31 PM, zedvair wrote:
I'm just starting to consider building. While I'd think I'd be happy with a
601xl, the new Patriot high wing, with it's better STOL characteristics and
similar cross-country characteristics, intrigues me.
Is anyone aware of plans by Zenith to offer a kit version of the Patriot?
It seems like a good candidate for the corvair, since it was designed for
the O-200.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: New 95hp engine design. |
At the time I write this ( or type if you prefer) 59 of you have down loaded the
file out of the 118 of you that have viewed it.
Any comments?
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| Subject: | Re: uncommanded flap deployment help needed |
Hi Ken ,why don't you put in an extra toggle switch to kill the ground on
the flaps .This is a cure for run-a-way controls.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "ken smith" <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: uncommanded flap deployment help needed
>
> Sometimes the flaps on my 601Xl deploy when they are
> not supposed to. They always go to the full flap
> position. This can occur when I hit the starter
> switch, and also when I turn on the avionics once the
> engine is running. I have the 4 inch unit bought from
> the surplus center.
>
> Anyone have any ideas for the fix?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 in New England? |
> Hi Dave, I am in the Boston area. I am working on a
> 701 from plans. You can email me anytime, also there
> is another 701 builder in my chapter, 106. We could
> share any notes you want to or pics...Bob Sceppa
--- NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I'd be happy to, live near Cortland NY, N03.
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX/CH701/912S
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2007 7:36:45 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> dkbrooks@gmail.com writes:
>
> I have been watching all the messages go by where
> very generous 601 and 701
> owners have offered to show off their planes to
> prospective builders/buyers
> and I was wondering if there might be someone up in
> my neck of the woods who
> would be willing to do the same? I am very
> interested in the 701 and would
> love to get up close to one. Fuel and $100 burger
> are on me.
>
> I live in north-central New Hampshire and I can
> travel as far as Boston, all
> over New Hampshire and Vermont, even up-state New
> York if I have to. There
> is a distinct possibility of a layoff coming my way
> (a good thing, in my
> case) so my time may become very free after the
> first of the year.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 95hp engine design. |
not quite a new engine as its a development of the existing Jabiru which was unsuitable
in off the shelf form to power the proposed helicopters. The company
later reformed as ULpower and I'm impressed with their tecnical info on the website.
there was one sitting in the hangar next to me that hasnt been used yet
so unfortunately nothing to report.
http://home.comcast.net/~aeroengine/Masquito.html
Actually i'm rather interested in the sister engine, masschi 105 but its unlikely
to have got into production, from the small info i can find.
Ralph
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