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1. 04:56 AM - TIME OUT, please! (Zed Smith)
2. 06:41 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please! (n85ae)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae)
4. 07:40 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Juan Vega)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
6. 09:26 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (David Downey)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona)
8. 09:58 AM - Remove me from the list please (WHC228@aol.com)
9. 10:00 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (William Dominguez)
10. 10:17 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
11. 10:34 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (MacDonald Doug)
12. 10:36 AM - Re: Remove me from the list please (Randy)
13. 10:36 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (robert stone)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae)
15. 10:50 AM - Re: Remove please (Al Hays)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (lwinger)
17. 11:14 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona)
18. 11:45 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae)
19. 12:09 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona)
20. 12:49 PM - CH701 Usable Fuel (Ken Arnold)
21. 12:50 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae)
22. 12:56 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (n85ae)
23. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Kevin L. Rupert)
24. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Leo Gates)
25. 02:00 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona)
26. 02:10 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae)
27. 02:11 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (Bryan Martin)
28. 02:25 PM - Getting all the little Chips out (PatrickW)
29. 03:09 PM - Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Gig Giacona)
30. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Craig Payne)
31. 03:45 PM - Change of subject 601xl wet wing (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
32. 04:02 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (CHETKRU@aol.com)
33. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Heavy left wing7 (Bill Naumuk)
34. 04:44 PM - Re: TIME OUT, please! (Bill Naumuk)
35. 04:48 PM - Re: Change of subject 601xl wet wing (David Downey)
36. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (LarryMcFarland)
37. 06:27 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (Bob Unternaehrer)
38. 06:27 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Bob Unternaehrer)
39. 08:07 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Terry Phillips)
40. 08:13 PM - Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Terry Fogelson)
41. 08:38 PM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Tim Juhl)
42. 10:01 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | TIME OUT, please! |
Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does look like
we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest.
That said, can we now move on to the second phase?
This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To Prove It"
Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears catalogs,
a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and exercise
room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic
Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and at least one
photo of a properly-installed rivet.
Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish every
task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have won five or
more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory. Extra points
awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium exhaust systems qualify
for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with Hillary.
Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on taxiway.
Best regards and a great Friday to all,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC
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| Subject: | Re: TIME OUT, please! |
Extra bonus points if it says Briggs & Stratton, or Tecumseh on the engine,
with laminated pine prop.
Also awards for innovation for the use of cardboard and strapping tape.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Know-it-all airplane builder opinions frequently change when they become airplane
fliers (some times glider fliers). That is my observation. :)
Let me just tell you point blank, I do not think much of auto conversions
regardless of who did the work. So everything you read that I post, you
can keep in mind my opinion.
Jeff.
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
just put an aileron trim on it. Zeniht sells a great kit for it. most planes
this size have a heavy wing situation, just trim it.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Southern Reflections <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Oct 4, 2007 10:13 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left
>
>All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat
to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of
one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how
much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks
again to you all !! Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
Before you rivet it to anything make a small tab and use aluminum tape to
hold it in place then keep tweaking it untill you have the size and angle you
need then rivet it on. It doesn't take a big tab try not to go overboard on
your first try. Look at some rudder tabs and start there.
In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:
All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been
beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict.
of one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and
how much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it
right Thanks again to you all !! Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
again, longer and narrower is usually better/more effective than shorter an
d wider. More tab area bent to a shallower angle is usually better/more eff
ective than smaller tab bent to a greater angle.=0A=0ADave Downey=0AHarleys
ville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro
m: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" <Afterfxllc@aol.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Friday, October 5, 2007 11:12:24 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: h
eavy left wing/roll to left=0A=0A=0ABefore you rivet it to anything make a
small tab and use aluminum tape to hold it in place then keep tweaking it u
ntill you have the size and angle you need then rivet it on. It doesn't tak
e a big tab try not to go overboard on your first try. Look at some rudder
tabs and start there.=0A =0A =0AIn a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Ea
stern Daylight Time, amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:=0AAll the input on t
he "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat to death.As
Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of one on a p
lane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how much is i
s hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks a
gain to you all !! Joe N101HD 6
01XL/RAM=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASee what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Interesting. You know there are a lot of flyers out there that think much the same
about that Rotax you have in your Kitfox. There are even more people that
think the same about airplanes that aren't built in a factory, again like your
Kitfox and the 801 you are building.
I've had two inflight engine failures in the 25+ years I've been flying. Guess
what? In the first I was sitting behind a Lycoming engine. In the second I was
sitting in front of a Lycoming engine. In both cases they were installed at the
factory that built the aircraft.
n85ae wrote:
> Know-it-all airplane builder opinions frequently change when they become airplane
fliers (some times glider fliers). That is my observation. :)
>
> Let me just tell you point blank, I do not think much of auto conversions
> regardless of who did the work. So everything you read that I post, you
> can keep in mind my opinion.
>
> Jeff.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Remove me from the list please |
Good afternoon
Please remove me form this list.
Thank you.
Bill Campbell
WHC228@aol.com
814 398 2148
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| Subject: | Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... |
The winner for the cheapest safest airplane you can build for under $100 is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manahanwill/63392022/
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
do not archive
Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does look like
we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest.
That said, can we now move on to the second phase?
This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To Prove It"
Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears catalogs,
a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and exercise
room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic
Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and at least one
photo of a properly-installed rivet.
Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish every
task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have won five or
more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory. Extra points
awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium exhaust systems qualify
for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with Hillary.
Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on taxiway.
Best regards and a great Friday to all,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
We didn't have a heavy wing problem largely because we put the battery on
the right side in front of the rear spar and probably the most helpful was off
setting the main gear 2 feet to the right....... O no!!!!
In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:28:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
planecrazydld@yahoo.com writes:
again, longer and narrower is usually better/more effective than shorter and
wider. More tab area bent to a shallower angle is usually better/more
effective than smaller tab bent to a greater angle.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... |
A better $100.00 airplane would be it you'd taped five
twenty dollar bills together to create the piece of
paper.
DO NO ARCHIVE
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The winner for the cheapest safest airplane you can
> build for under $100 is:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/manahanwill/63392022/
>
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami, Florida
>
> do not archive
>
> Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> wrote: -->
>
> Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the
> ballots but it does look like we have a winner in
> the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest.
>
> That said, can we now move on to the second phase?
>
> This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I
> Have The Receipts To Prove It"
>
> Rules include owning at least two of every tool in
> the Snap On & Sears catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100
> climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and
> exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer,
> T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private
> 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and
> at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet.
>
> Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a
> third party to accomplish every task, including
> builder's log entries. Finished product must have
> won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club
> show....any catagory. Extra points awarded for
> liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium
> exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or
> at least lunch with Hillary.
>
> Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no
> afterburners on taxiway.
>
> Best regards and a great Friday to all,
>
> Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from
> ZAC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
that gives answers, not web links.
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| Subject: | Re: Remove me from the list please |
Bill,
You have to unsubscribe yourself.
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
----- Original Message -----
From: WHC228@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Remove me from the list please
Good afternoon
Please remove me form this list.
Thank you.
Bill Campbell
WHC228@aol.com
814 398 2148
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
Members,
When I had my ZodiacXL built I was sure that I would need wing trim
so I ordered it to be installed. This aircraft is so small and light
that just the pilot if he is a big guy will cause the left wing to be
low. Also a pasenger who will be on the right side of the cg will
sometimes cause the right wing to dip so the only way to insure that you
fly level no matter heavy pasenger, or what ever, if you have a trim tab
on one of the wings, this can be corrected. I would advise all builders
to install wing trim so you have a way to adjust in flight.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left
Before you rivet it to anything make a small tab and use aluminum tape
to hold it in place then keep tweaking it untill you have the size and
angle you need then rivet it on. It doesn't take a big tab try not to go
overboard on your first try. Look at some rudder tabs and start there.
In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:
All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it
's been beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any
one have a pict. of one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how
long and how wide,and how much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited?
I just want to get it right Thanks again to you all !!
Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Gig -
I have a factory new injected Continental IO240B in it NOT a Rotax. :)
Regards,
Jeff.
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| Subject: | Re: Remove please |
Hi Bill,
I think you'll need to go http://www.matronics.com/subscription fill
in your email address and deselect the list in order to be removed.
do not archive
On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:57 PM, WHC228@aol.com wrote:
>
> Good afternoon
>
> Please remove me form this list.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Bill Campbell
> WHC228@aol.com
> 814 398 2148
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| Subject: | Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... |
I would like to enter this model. Obviously and amateur built tail-dragger.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1147/1491413430_124b7d0bda_o.jpg
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair from scratch
Control surfaces and wing parts complete
Building the wing
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Sorry Jeff, I went by the listing here... http://www.homebuilt.org/directory/skystar.html
But it says a lot that the correction of the type of engine you have is your only
reply to my post.
n85ae wrote:
> Gig -
>
> I have a factory new injected Continental IO240B in it NOT a Rotax. :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Hey Gig -
No, I'm up for it. This is just an email list, I'm certainly not afraid to put
messages on it. It certainly can't compete with my kids for antagonizing
me. :) I enjoy the debate, it breaks up my day.
What was the point you wanted me to address?
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Just the facts that A. The vast majority of people think that flying in any non-certified
plane is as dangerous as you seem to think that auto conversions are.
B. That engines failures happen with "Airplane" engines as well.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
n85ae wrote:
> Hey Gig -
>
> No, I'm up for it. This is just an email list, I'm certainly not afraid to put
> messages on it. It certainly can't compete with my kids for antagonizing
> me. :) I enjoy the debate, it breaks up my day.
>
> What was the point you wanted me to address?
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | CH701 Usable Fuel |
I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to fill
the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane is
sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate of
usable fuel.
I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
CH701 N701LK 90%
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Gig -
I agree with that.
Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased
by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Usable Fuel |
One thing to consider is the pitch attitude of the plane in a climb/descent,
and make concession for the fuel level other than level flight. You might
find that due to do the pickup location you have a couple gallons less
usable fuel than what you have when level.
Basically, your engine can quit in climb or descent, do to the pickup
being exposed (i.e. gas all at the other end of the tank.).
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
I found this enlightening.
Sport Aviation, October 2007
page 35, 1st column- last paragraph
"Corvairs arrived at Oshkosh in force,
spawned........................................
The Zenair display featured Dick Schmidt's new 601 HD, */which he built
from plans for less than $5000 (firewall aft)./*..............."
Kevin R.
XL/C
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Gang, Lets go back to 1957, Travis AFB, CA. On one of my first flights
as a USAF navigator on C124s, the Flight Engineer (gray haired old
sergeant) turned to me and asked, "Lieutenant, do you know why they put
four engines on this airplane?" I answered no and he said, "Because one
of them always quits." - More truth than fiction. Four engines have
four times the chance of one of them quiting.
Leo Gates
Do not archive.
n85ae wrote:
>
> Gig -
>
> I agree with that.
>
> Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased
> by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Here's the problem Jeff. I don't think you will find a greater failure rate on
properly built and installed auto conversions than you find in Exp-HB aircraft
as a whole.
If you look at the accident records I think you will find, in both, that accidents
are caused by failures that are not related to the equipments certification
status. I've seen plenty of shiny new Lyco's installed in such a way that I
wouldn't fly in them if you held a gun to my head.
I think your discounting of auto-conversions just because they weren't originally
designed as aircraft engines is kind of silly considering you are building
an aircraft yourself. That is unless you are an aeronautical engineer.
Nobody is saying you need to choose one but to attack those that choose to use,
say a Corvair, as being in some way less safe than you is going to piss a lot
of people off and cause them to discount anything you have to say on any topic.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
n85ae wrote:
> Gig -
>
> I agree with that.
>
> Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased
> by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed.
>
> Jeff
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Gig -
I don't think I made any personal attacks, I may have stated my
opinions in a way that gets under people's skin, but that's about it.
Heck - I think probably everybody on this list would all be friends
if we met at the airport offline. Honestly.
You have a nice website, and it looks like a nice plane. I think you ought
to put a higher quality engine on it. It looks like based on the facilities
you are building in that you can afford to do so.
However, that being said - You are certainly entitled to put whatever
you want on it.
Remember this is just an internet list, and in the greater reality of life
is pretty unimportant.
Have a nice weekend.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Crack....... |
I had a couple of small cracks on mine. I obtained some methylene
chloride and put some in a syringe and squirted it directly into the
crack. I t will wick into the crack and weld it shut. You have to
wipe up any excess immediately or it will fog the surface. Use in a
well ventilated area and try not to get any on your skin.
Methylene chloride is the main ingredient of most acrylic adhesives.
A watery liquid adhesive is best for repairing cracks. There's some
available here halfway down the page:
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page37.htm
You might be able to find it at hardware stores or hobby shops also.
On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:50 PM, CHETKRU@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Folks, looking for a solution to repair a hairline crack in my
> canopy, it is not in a line of sight area and if the repair is not
> clear it will not be a problem, I just want to seal the break and
> keep it from growing. I have already stop drilled the area. Any
> thoughts or tips will be greatly appreciated, such as brands of
> epoxy or glue that might work.
>
> Chet Kruleski
> 601XL
> Las Vegas, NV
>
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Getting all the little Chips out |
How are you guys getting all the little aluminum chips & bits out...?
Everywhere where a curved radius meets a flat spot is a place for a chip to hide.
Like between wing ribs and wing skins; or between lower spar caps and bottom
wing skins...
They seem stick to cortec, even long after it's dried. Maybe it's a static electricity
sticking type of thing here?
I've got most of them out by running a vacuum cleaner, blowing with compressed
air, "flossing" with a toothpick, vacuuming some more.
But you can't get them all.
What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a perfectionist here?
Thanks,
Pat
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Getting all the little Chips out |
PatrickW wrote:
>
> I've got most of them out by running a vacuum cleaner, blowing with compressed
air, "flossing" with a toothpick, vacuuming some more.
>
> But you can't get them all.
>
> What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a perfectionist here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
> XL/Corvair
And you never will. Get them out as best you can but don't expect to get them all.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Getting all the little Chips out |
When I'm doing a little work in a section with crevices that can catch chips
I block them off with masking tape.
The best approach is prevention - do what cutting you can before you
assemble the parts. This is more of a goal than a reality.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Change of subject 601xl wet wing |
All,
I have decided to put a wet wing in the 601. This is done all the time in
the vans RV which I have built. My reasoning for this is due to the fact the 15
gal tanks from Zenith cost 1,500 and I can build a wet wing in the 601 for
about 300. Has anyone done this? If so do you have plans? I have it in my head
how I'm going to do it but why re invent the wheel? I spoke with Zenith and
they said it wouldn't be a problem so next week as soon as I finish the two
fuselage's I am cutting the LE.
This would be a good way for the scratch builder's out there to save some
time and money also.
Jeff
601xl
_www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Crack....... |
Hi Bryan, Thanks for the information, I will check it out as soon as I am
finished computing.
Cheers,
Chet Kruleski
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing7 |
Trying to follow too many strings. Sorry, PHIL!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7
Thanks, Paul. Now I don't have to move my trim tab to the other
aileron!!!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Maxson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7
My Corvair spins the "wrong way", and I have the slight left wing
heavy thing, so it's not prop-wash. I usually just fill the right tank
only or burn fuel from the left tank first. I find leaning my knee on
the stick helps.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
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> From: craig@craigandjean.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:44:01 -0600
>
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> > Has anyone experienced heavy RIGHT wing with a
counter-clockwise-rotating
> prop? It would be fun to know.
>
> Corvairs spin the "other" way.
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: TIME OUT, please! |
Are you related to the guy from Australia? You write like he does!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please!
>
> Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does
> look like we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100"
> contest.
>
> That said, can we now move on to the second phase?
>
> This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To
> Prove It"
>
> Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears
> catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool
> and exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last
> AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with
> navaids, and at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet.
>
> Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish
> every task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have
> won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory.
> Extra points awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium
> exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with
> Hillary.
>
> Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on
> taxiway.
>
> Best regards and a great Friday to all,
>
> Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Change of subject 601xl wet wing |
If you are making a wet wing with LE tanks, why not move them outboard a ba
y or two. Keep the fuel as far away from teh egress path and the cockpit as
possible?=0A =0ADave Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A
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ll,=0A =0AI have decided to put a wet wing in the 601. This is done all the
time in the vans RV which I have built. My reasoning for this is due to th
e fact the 15 gal tanks from Zenith cost 1,500 and I can build a wet wing i
n the 601 for about 300. Has anyone done this? If so do you have plans? I h
ave it in my head how I'm going to do it but why re invent the wheel? I spo
ke with Zenith and they said it wouldn't be a problem so next week as soon
as I finish the two fuselage's I am cutting the LE.=0A =0AThis would be a g
ood way for the scratch builder's out there to save some time and money als
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response |
Good discussion guys,
Popular auto conversions for aircraft require more builder
decision-making on ignition, carburetor's and cooling. Statistically,
numbers prove that the conversions have a broader range of solutions to
deal with like selecting carbs, coils and radiators. Too many brilliant
type-As are reluctant to employ successful aircraft and engine
solutions of previous builders. Most people fear doing a conversion, but
dont blame the engine, be it a Subaru, Corvair, Ford or Chevy. These
are great engines! It is the builder that repeatedly makes the mistakes
and the most onerous statistics would point to the conversion engines
when they should point to the less than responsible builder.
I'd like to think of it as a kind of a Darwinist plan for improving
aircraft builder intellect and capability.
Think, build and then fly safe,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Nobody is saying you need to choose one but to attack those that choose to use,
say a Corvair, as being in some way less safe than you is going to piss a lot
of people off and cause them to discount anything you have to say on any topic.
>
>
>> Gig -
>>
>> I agree with that.
>>
>> Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased
>> by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Crack....... |
I used JB weld on a c-150 11 years ago and still ok. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: CHETKRU@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Crack.......
Hi Folks, looking for a solution to repair a hairline crack in my
canopy, it is not in a line of sight area and if the repair is not clear
it will not be a problem, I just want to seal the break and keep it from
growing. I have already stop drilled the area. Any thoughts or tips will
be greatly appreciated, such as brands of epoxy or glue that might
work.
Chet Kruleski
601XL
Las Vegas, NV
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Usable Fuel |
Should consider all expected attitudes, especially steep descent and
departure climb. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Arnold
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel
I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to
fill the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane
is sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate
of usable fuel.
I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using.
Regards,
Ken Arnold
CH701 N701LK 90%
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Usable Fuel |
Ken
I recommend that you consider the approach suggested by John Deakin in
Pelican's Perch #7. Basically, he recommends determining the usable fuel in
each tank experimentally, while flying a variety of "maneuvers."
Unfortunately, the net link that I have for that article
www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/7.jsp
seems to be broken when I just tried it. The article is available in the
Google cache. Or, let me know if you would like me to send you a pdf.
Terry
At 03:44 PM 10/5/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to fill
>the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane is
>sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate of
>usable fuel.
>
>I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using.
>
>Regards,
>Ken Arnold
>CH701 N701LK 90%
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Getting all the little Chips out |
Here is a tool available commercially, but I always
made mine out of aluminum.
Terry
http://www.averytools.com/pc-930-75-chip-chasers.aspx
--- PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
>
> How are you guys getting all the little aluminum
> chips & bits out...?
>
> Everywhere where a curved radius meets a flat spot
> is a place for a chip to hide. Like between wing
> ribs and wing skins; or between lower spar caps and
> bottom wing skins...
>
> They seem stick to cortec, even long after it's
> dried. Maybe it's a static electricity sticking
> type of thing here?
>
> I've got most of them out by running a vacuum
> cleaner, blowing with compressed air, "flossing"
> with a toothpick, vacuuming some more.
>
> But you can't get them all.
>
> What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a
> perfectionist here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
> XL/Corvair
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138373#138373
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing/roll to left |
A couple of comments -
1.) Twist in the horizontal stabilizer can also contribute to a rolling tendency
as will asymmetrical wings or any errors in rigging.
2.) Careful fuel management (to reduce weight in the heavy wing) and sticking some
weight in the "light" wing's baggage compartment (if you have one) can be
helpful as well. You'll get better overall performance if you don't have to crank
in a lot of aileron trim.
The wing heaviness problem described on this forum is not unique to light aircraft
like the XL. I had to add an aftermarket electric aileron trim to the left
wing of my C182 (2950# gross). It had 40 gallons of fuel (240 lbs) in each
wing when topped off and tended to "lean" as fuel was burned. Without the aileron
trim the Cessna 300 Autopilot didn't have the strength to keep the wings
level.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | CH701 Usable Fuel |
> I recommend that you consider the approach suggested by John Deakin in
Pelican's Perch #7.
This link is good but you have to do a (free) registration:
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182044-1.html
-- Craig
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