---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/05/07: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - TIME OUT, please! (Zed Smith) 2. 06:41 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please! (n85ae) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Juan Vega) 5. 08:12 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 6. 09:26 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (David Downey) 7. 09:35 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona) 8. 09:58 AM - Remove me from the list please (WHC228@aol.com) 9. 10:00 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (William Dominguez) 10. 10:17 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 11. 10:34 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (MacDonald Doug) 12. 10:36 AM - Re: Remove me from the list please (Randy) 13. 10:36 AM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (robert stone) 14. 10:44 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae) 15. 10:50 AM - Re: Remove please (Al Hays) 16. 11:03 AM - Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... (lwinger) 17. 11:14 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona) 18. 11:45 AM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae) 19. 12:09 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona) 20. 12:49 PM - CH701 Usable Fuel (Ken Arnold) 21. 12:50 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae) 22. 12:56 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (n85ae) 23. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Kevin L. Rupert) 24. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Leo Gates) 25. 02:00 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (Gig Giacona) 26. 02:10 PM - Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (n85ae) 27. 02:11 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (Bryan Martin) 28. 02:25 PM - Getting all the little Chips out (PatrickW) 29. 03:09 PM - Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Gig Giacona) 30. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Craig Payne) 31. 03:45 PM - Change of subject 601xl wet wing (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 32. 04:02 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (CHETKRU@aol.com) 33. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Heavy left wing7 (Bill Naumuk) 34. 04:44 PM - Re: TIME OUT, please! (Bill Naumuk) 35. 04:48 PM - Re: Change of subject 601xl wet wing (David Downey) 36. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response (LarryMcFarland) 37. 06:27 PM - Re: Canopy Crack....... (Bob Unternaehrer) 38. 06:27 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Bob Unternaehrer) 39. 08:07 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Terry Phillips) 40. 08:13 PM - Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Terry Fogelson) 41. 08:38 PM - Re: heavy left wing/roll to left (Tim Juhl) 42. 10:01 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:14 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please! Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does look like we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest. That said, can we now move on to the second phase? This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To Prove It" Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet. Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish every task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory. Extra points awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with Hillary. Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on taxiway. Best regards and a great Friday to all, Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: TIME OUT, please! From: "n85ae" Extra bonus points if it says Briggs & Stratton, or Tecumseh on the engine, with laminated pine prop. Also awards for innovation for the use of cardboard and strapping tape. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138271#138271 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "n85ae" Know-it-all airplane builder opinions frequently change when they become airplane fliers (some times glider fliers). That is my observation. :) Let me just tell you point blank, I do not think much of auto conversions regardless of who did the work. So everything you read that I post, you can keep in mind my opinion. Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138278#138278 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:41 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left just put an aileron trim on it. Zeniht sells a great kit for it. most planes this size have a heavy wing situation, just trim it. -----Original Message----- >From: Southern Reflections >Sent: Oct 4, 2007 10:13 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left > >All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks again to you all !! Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:59 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left Before you rivet it to anything make a small tab and use aluminum tape to hold it in place then keep tweaking it untill you have the size and angle you need then rivet it on. It doesn't take a big tab try not to go overboard on your first try. Look at some rudder tabs and start there. In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes: All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks again to you all !! Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:26 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left again, longer and narrower is usually better/more effective than shorter an d wider. More tab area bent to a shallower angle is usually better/more eff ective than smaller tab bent to a greater angle.=0A=0ADave Downey=0AHarleys ville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro m: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Friday, October 5, 2007 11:12:24 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: h eavy left wing/roll to left=0A=0A=0ABefore you rivet it to anything make a small tab and use aluminum tape to hold it in place then keep tweaking it u ntill you have the size and angle you need then rivet it on. It doesn't tak e a big tab try not to go overboard on your first try. Look at some rudder tabs and start there.=0A =0A =0AIn a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Ea stern Daylight Time, amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes:=0AAll the input on t he "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of one on a p lane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how much is i s hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks a gain to you all !! Joe N101HD 6 01XL/RAM=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASee what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your ==0A=0A=0A _________________________________________________________ ___________________________=0AFussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Per fect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.c om/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "Gig Giacona" Interesting. You know there are a lot of flyers out there that think much the same about that Rotax you have in your Kitfox. There are even more people that think the same about airplanes that aren't built in a factory, again like your Kitfox and the 801 you are building. I've had two inflight engine failures in the 25+ years I've been flying. Guess what? In the first I was sitting behind a Lycoming engine. In the second I was sitting in front of a Lycoming engine. In both cases they were installed at the factory that built the aircraft. n85ae wrote: > Know-it-all airplane builder opinions frequently change when they become airplane fliers (some times glider fliers). That is my observation. :) > > Let me just tell you point blank, I do not think much of auto conversions > regardless of who did the work. So everything you read that I post, you > can keep in mind my opinion. > > Jeff. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138308#138308 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:04 AM PST US From: WHC228@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Remove me from the list please Good afternoon Please remove me form this list. Thank you. Bill Campbell WHC228@aol.com 814 398 2148 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:20 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... The winner for the cheapest safest airplane you can build for under $100 is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/manahanwill/63392022/ William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida do not archive Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does look like we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest. That said, can we now move on to the second phase? This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To Prove It" Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet. Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish every task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory. Extra points awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with Hillary. Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on taxiway. Best regards and a great Friday to all, Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:02 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left We didn't have a heavy wing problem largely because we put the battery on the right side in front of the rear spar and probably the most helpful was off setting the main gear 2 feet to the right....... O no!!!! In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:28:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, planecrazydld@yahoo.com writes: again, longer and narrower is usually better/more effective than shorter and wider. More tab area bent to a shallower angle is usually better/more effective than smaller tab bent to a greater angle. Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:22 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... A better $100.00 airplane would be it you'd taped five twenty dollar bills together to create the piece of paper. DO NO ARCHIVE Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- William Dominguez wrote: > The winner for the cheapest safest airplane you can > build for under $100 is: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/manahanwill/63392022/ > > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > Miami, Florida > > do not archive > > Zed Smith wrote: --> > > Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the > ballots but it does look like we have a winner in > the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" contest. > > That said, can we now move on to the second phase? > > This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I > Have The Receipts To Prove It" > > Rules include owning at least two of every tool in > the Snap On & Sears catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100 > climate-controlled hangar with heated pool and > exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, > T-shirts from the last AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private > 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with navaids, and > at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet. > > Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a > third party to accomplish every task, including > builder's log entries. Finished product must have > won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club > show....any catagory. Extra points awarded for > liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium > exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or > at least lunch with Hillary. > > Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no > afterburners on taxiway. > > Best regards and a great Friday to all, > > Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from > ZAC > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:16 AM PST US From: "Randy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Remove me from the list please Bill, You have to unsubscribe yourself. http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed ----- Original Message ----- From: WHC228@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Remove me from the list please Good afternoon Please remove me form this list. Thank you. Bill Campbell WHC228@aol.com 814 398 2148 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See whtarget="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:51 AM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left Members, When I had my ZodiacXL built I was sure that I would need wing trim so I ordered it to be installed. This aircraft is so small and light that just the pilot if he is a big guy will cause the left wing to be low. Also a pasenger who will be on the right side of the cg will sometimes cause the right wing to dip so the only way to insure that you fly level no matter heavy pasenger, or what ever, if you have a trim tab on one of the wings, this can be corrected. I would advise all builders to install wing trim so you have a way to adjust in flight. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Afterfxllc@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing/roll to left Before you rivet it to anything make a small tab and use aluminum tape to hold it in place then keep tweaking it untill you have the size and angle you need then rivet it on. It doesn't take a big tab try not to go overboard on your first try. Look at some rudder tabs and start there. In a message dated 10/5/2007 10:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amyvega2005@earthlink.net writes: All the input on the "Heavy Wing" has been great ,and I'am sure it 's been beat to death.As Columbo says "Just One More Thing" Does any one have a pict. of one on a plane? Is .025 thick enough ? About how long and how wide,and how much is is hanging off the wing? Pop rivited? I just want to get it right Thanks again to you all !! Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "n85ae" Gig - I have a factory new injected Continental IO240B in it NOT a Rotax. :) Regards, Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138325#138325 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:12 AM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Remove please Hi Bill, I think you'll need to go http://www.matronics.com/subscription fill in your email address and deselect the list in order to be removed. do not archive On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:57 PM, WHC228@aol.com wrote: > > Good afternoon > > Please remove me form this list. > > Thank you. > > > Bill Campbell > WHC228@aol.com > 814 398 2148 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: TIME OUT, please!.. And the Winner Is... From: "lwinger" I would like to enter this model. Obviously and amateur built tail-dragger. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1147/1491413430_124b7d0bda_o.jpg -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA 601XL/Corvair from scratch Control surfaces and wing parts complete Building the wing www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138330#138330 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "Gig Giacona" Sorry Jeff, I went by the listing here... http://www.homebuilt.org/directory/skystar.html But it says a lot that the correction of the type of engine you have is your only reply to my post. n85ae wrote: > Gig - > > I have a factory new injected Continental IO240B in it NOT a Rotax. :) > > Regards, > Jeff. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138332#138332 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:24 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "n85ae" Hey Gig - No, I'm up for it. This is just an email list, I'm certainly not afraid to put messages on it. It certainly can't compete with my kids for antagonizing me. :) I enjoy the debate, it breaks up my day. What was the point you wanted me to address? Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138338#138338 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "Gig Giacona" Just the facts that A. The vast majority of people think that flying in any non-certified plane is as dangerous as you seem to think that auto conversions are. B. That engines failures happen with "Airplane" engines as well. DO NOT ARCHIVE n85ae wrote: > Hey Gig - > > No, I'm up for it. This is just an email list, I'm certainly not afraid to put > messages on it. It certainly can't compete with my kids for antagonizing > me. :) I enjoy the debate, it breaks up my day. > > What was the point you wanted me to address? > > Regards, > Jeff -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138340#138340 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:57 PM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to fill the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane is sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate of usable fuel. I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 N701LK 90% ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "n85ae" Gig - I agree with that. Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138349#138349 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Usable Fuel From: "n85ae" One thing to consider is the pitch attitude of the plane in a climb/descent, and make concession for the fuel level other than level flight. You might find that due to do the pickup location you have a couple gallons less usable fuel than what you have when level. Basically, your engine can quit in climb or descent, do to the pickup being exposed (i.e. gas all at the other end of the tank.). Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138352#138352 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:24 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response I found this enlightening. Sport Aviation, October 2007 page 35, 1st column- last paragraph "Corvairs arrived at Oshkosh in force, spawned........................................ The Zenair display featured Dick Schmidt's new 601 HD, */which he built from plans for less than $5000 (firewall aft)./*..............." Kevin R. XL/C ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:09 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response Gang, Lets go back to 1957, Travis AFB, CA. On one of my first flights as a USAF navigator on C124s, the Flight Engineer (gray haired old sergeant) turned to me and asked, "Lieutenant, do you know why they put four engines on this airplane?" I answered no and he said, "Because one of them always quits." - More truth than fiction. Four engines have four times the chance of one of them quiting. Leo Gates Do not archive. n85ae wrote: > > Gig - > > I agree with that. > > Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased > by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed. > > Jeff > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "Gig Giacona" Here's the problem Jeff. I don't think you will find a greater failure rate on properly built and installed auto conversions than you find in Exp-HB aircraft as a whole. If you look at the accident records I think you will find, in both, that accidents are caused by failures that are not related to the equipments certification status. I've seen plenty of shiny new Lyco's installed in such a way that I wouldn't fly in them if you held a gun to my head. I think your discounting of auto-conversions just because they weren't originally designed as aircraft engines is kind of silly considering you are building an aircraft yourself. That is unless you are an aeronautical engineer. Nobody is saying you need to choose one but to attack those that choose to use, say a Corvair, as being in some way less safe than you is going to piss a lot of people off and cause them to discount anything you have to say on any topic. DO NOT ARCHIVE n85ae wrote: > Gig - > > I agree with that. > > Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased > by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed. > > Jeff -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138365#138365 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response From: "n85ae" Gig - I don't think I made any personal attacks, I may have stated my opinions in a way that gets under people's skin, but that's about it. Heck - I think probably everybody on this list would all be friends if we met at the airport offline. Honestly. You have a nice website, and it looks like a nice plane. I think you ought to put a higher quality engine on it. It looks like based on the facilities you are building in that you can afford to do so. However, that being said - You are certainly entitled to put whatever you want on it. Remember this is just an internet list, and in the greater reality of life is pretty unimportant. Have a nice weekend. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138368#138368 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:57 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Crack....... I had a couple of small cracks on mine. I obtained some methylene chloride and put some in a syringe and squirted it directly into the crack. I t will wick into the crack and weld it shut. You have to wipe up any excess immediately or it will fog the surface. Use in a well ventilated area and try not to get any on your skin. Methylene chloride is the main ingredient of most acrylic adhesives. A watery liquid adhesive is best for repairing cracks. There's some available here halfway down the page: http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page37.htm You might be able to find it at hardware stores or hobby shops also. On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:50 PM, CHETKRU@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks, looking for a solution to repair a hairline crack in my > canopy, it is not in a line of sight area and if the repair is not > clear it will not be a problem, I just want to seal the break and > keep it from growing. I have already stop drilled the area. Any > thoughts or tips will be greatly appreciated, such as brands of > epoxy or glue that might work. > > Chet Kruleski > 601XL > Las Vegas, NV > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Getting all the little Chips out From: "PatrickW" How are you guys getting all the little aluminum chips & bits out...? Everywhere where a curved radius meets a flat spot is a place for a chip to hide. Like between wing ribs and wing skins; or between lower spar caps and bottom wing skins... They seem stick to cortec, even long after it's dried. Maybe it's a static electricity sticking type of thing here? I've got most of them out by running a vacuum cleaner, blowing with compressed air, "flossing" with a toothpick, vacuuming some more. But you can't get them all. What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a perfectionist here? Thanks, Pat XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138373#138373 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Getting all the little Chips out From: "Gig Giacona" PatrickW wrote: > > I've got most of them out by running a vacuum cleaner, blowing with compressed air, "flossing" with a toothpick, vacuuming some more. > > But you can't get them all. > > What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a perfectionist here? > > Thanks, > > Pat > XL/Corvair And you never will. Get them out as best you can but don't expect to get them all. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138381#138381 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:36 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Getting all the little Chips out When I'm doing a little work in a section with crevices that can catch chips I block them off with masking tape. The best approach is prevention - do what cutting you can before you assemble the parts. This is more of a goal than a reality. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:41 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Change of subject 601xl wet wing All, I have decided to put a wet wing in the 601. This is done all the time in the vans RV which I have built. My reasoning for this is due to the fact the 15 gal tanks from Zenith cost 1,500 and I can build a wet wing in the 601 for about 300. Has anyone done this? If so do you have plans? I have it in my head how I'm going to do it but why re invent the wheel? I spoke with Zenith and they said it wouldn't be a problem so next week as soon as I finish the two fuselage's I am cutting the LE. This would be a good way for the scratch builder's out there to save some time and money also. Jeff 601xl _www.project601xl.com_ (http://www.project601xl.com) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:27 PM PST US From: CHETKRU@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Crack....... Hi Bryan, Thanks for the information, I will check it out as soon as I am finished computing. Cheers, Chet Kruleski ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7 Trying to follow too many strings. Sorry, PHIL! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7 Thanks, Paul. Now I don't have to move my trim tab to the other aileron!!! Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Maxson To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7 My Corvair spins the "wrong way", and I have the slight left wing heavy thing, so it's not prop-wash. I usually just fill the right tank only or burn fuel from the left tank first. I find leaning my knee on the stick helps. Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > From: craig@craigandjean.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Heavy left wing7 > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:44:01 -0600 > > > > Has anyone experienced heavy RIGHT wing with a counter-clockwise-rotating > prop? It would be fun to know. > > Corvairs spin the "other" way. > > -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Boo! Scare away worms, re.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:20 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please! Are you related to the guy from Australia? You write like he does! do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: Zenith-List: TIME OUT, please! > > Okay, Guys, the judges are still sifting through the ballots but it does > look like we have a winner in the "Homebuilt Airplane For Less Than $100" > contest. > > That said, can we now move on to the second phase? > > This will be called "I Spent A Ton Of Money And I Have The Receipts To > Prove It" > > Rules include owning at least two of every tool in the Snap On & Sears > catalogs, a two-story 100 x 100 climate-controlled hangar with heated pool > and exercise room, machine shop, on-staff engineer, T-shirts from the last > AOPA Antartic Fly-in, private 5000-foot paved & lighted runway with > navaids, and at least one photo of a properly-installed rivet. > > Quick-builds are excluded; you must have paid a third party to accomplish > every task, including builder's log entries. Finished product must have > won five or more ribbons at the American Kennel Club show....any catagory. > Extra points awarded for liberal use of balsa and/or titanium. Magnesium > exhaust systems qualify for Veteran's Preference, or at least lunch with > Hillary. > > Please include "do not archive" with the flames, no afterburners on > taxiway. > > Best regards and a great Friday to all, > > Zed/701/R912/90+%/had to order some extra ells from ZAC > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:29 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Change of subject 601xl wet wing If you are making a wet wing with LE tanks, why not move them outboard a ba y or two. Keep the fuel as far away from teh egress path and the cockpit as possible?=0A =0ADave Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, October 5, 2007 6: 29:40 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Change of subject 601xl wet wing=0A=0A=0AA ll,=0A =0AI have decided to put a wet wing in the 601. This is done all the time in the vans RV which I have built. My reasoning for this is due to th e fact the 15 gal tanks from Zenith cost 1,500 and I can build a wet wing i n the 601 for about 300. Has anyone done this? If so do you have plans? I h ave it in my head how I'm going to do it but why re invent the wheel? I spo ke with Zenith and they said it wouldn't be a problem so next week as soon as I finish the two fuselage's I am cutting the LE.=0A =0AThis would be a g ood way for the scratch builder's out there to save some time and money als o.=0A =0AJeff=0A601xl=0Awww.project601xl.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASee what's =================0A=0A=0A ____________ ________________________________________________________________________=0A Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user pane ?a=7 =0A ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:19 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response Good discussion guys, Popular auto conversions for aircraft require more builder decision-making on ignition, carburetor's and cooling. Statistically, numbers prove that the conversions have a broader range of solutions to deal with like selecting carbs, coils and radiators. Too many brilliant type-As are reluctant to employ successful aircraft and engine solutions of previous builders. Most people fear doing a conversion, but dont blame the engine, be it a Subaru, Corvair, Ford or Chevy. These are great engines! It is the builder that repeatedly makes the mistakes and the most onerous statistics would point to the conversion engines when they should point to the less than responsible builder. I'd like to think of it as a kind of a Darwinist plan for improving aircraft builder intellect and capability. Think, build and then fly safe, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Gig Giacona wrote: > Nobody is saying you need to choose one but to attack those that choose to use, say a Corvair, as being in some way less safe than you is going to piss a lot of people off and cause them to discount anything you have to say on any topic. > > >> Gig - >> >> I agree with that. >> >> Mechanical devices of all types, can and do fail. The likelihood is increased >> by using them for purposes other than that which they were designed. >> >> Jeff >> > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:52 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy Crack....... I used JB weld on a c-150 11 years ago and still ok. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: CHETKRU@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Crack....... Hi Folks, looking for a solution to repair a hairline crack in my canopy, it is not in a line of sight area and if the repair is not clear it will not be a problem, I just want to seal the break and keep it from growing. I have already stop drilled the area. Any thoughts or tips will be greatly appreciated, such as brands of epoxy or glue that might work. Chet Kruleski 601XL Las Vegas, NV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See whatarget="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:52 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel Should consider all expected attitudes, especially steep descent and departure climb. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to fill the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane is sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate of usable fuel. I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 N701LK 90% ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:35 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel Ken I recommend that you consider the approach suggested by John Deakin in Pelican's Perch #7. Basically, he recommends determining the usable fuel in each tank experimentally, while flying a variety of "maneuvers." Unfortunately, the net link that I have for that article www.warmkessel.com/jr/flying/td/jd/7.jsp seems to be broken when I just tried it. The article is available in the Google cache. Or, let me know if you would like me to send you a pdf. Terry At 03:44 PM 10/5/2007 -0400, you wrote: >I am close to finishing my 701. To measure usable fuel, I plan to fill >the tanks, drain them thru the regular fuel lines while the plane is >sitting on the ground. Seems this should provide reasonable estimate of >usable fuel. > >I would appreciate any values other 701 flyers are using. > >Regards, >Ken Arnold >CH701 N701LK 90% Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:42 PM PST US From: Terry Fogelson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Getting all the little Chips out Here is a tool available commercially, but I always made mine out of aluminum. Terry http://www.averytools.com/pc-930-75-chip-chasers.aspx --- PatrickW wrote: > > > How are you guys getting all the little aluminum > chips & bits out...? > > Everywhere where a curved radius meets a flat spot > is a place for a chip to hide. Like between wing > ribs and wing skins; or between lower spar caps and > bottom wing skins... > > They seem stick to cortec, even long after it's > dried. Maybe it's a static electricity sticking > type of thing here? > > I've got most of them out by running a vacuum > cleaner, blowing with compressed air, "flossing" > with a toothpick, vacuuming some more. > > But you can't get them all. > > What are you guys doing? Am I being too much of a > perfectionist here? > > Thanks, > > Pat > XL/Corvair > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138373#138373 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:09 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: heavy left wing/roll to left From: "Tim Juhl" A couple of comments - 1.) Twist in the horizontal stabilizer can also contribute to a rolling tendency as will asymmetrical wings or any errors in rigging. 2.) Careful fuel management (to reduce weight in the heavy wing) and sticking some weight in the "light" wing's baggage compartment (if you have one) can be helpful as well. You'll get better overall performance if you don't have to crank in a lot of aileron trim. The wing heaviness problem described on this forum is not unique to light aircraft like the XL. I had to add an aftermarket electric aileron trim to the left wing of my C182 (2950# gross). It had 40 gallons of fuel (240 lbs) in each wing when topped off and tended to "lean" as fuel was burned. Without the aileron trim the Cessna 300 Autopilot didn't have the strength to keep the wings level. Tim Do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138436#138436 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:23 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel > I recommend that you consider the approach suggested by John Deakin in Pelican's Perch #7. This link is good but you have to do a (free) registration: http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182044-1.html -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.