---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/07/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 and Corvair (zedvair) 2. 05:54 AM - Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 and Corvair (kmccune) 3. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Debo Cox) 4. 07:59 AM - Jabiru engine choughing (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 5. 09:08 AM - Bending leading edge skin (wade jones) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Jabiru engine coughing (Jeff Small) 7. 11:22 AM - Fw: Jabiru engine coughing (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (kmccune) 9. 04:42 PM - Re: Jabiru engine coughing (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 10. 06:17 PM - Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft (txpilot) 11. 06:37 PM - Re: Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft (george may) 12. 06:51 PM - aileron trim kit (Southern Reflections) 13. 06:54 PM - Re: Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft (zedvair) 14. 07:02 PM - Re: aileron trim kit (Edward Moody II) 15. 07:29 PM - Re: Getting all the little Chips out (Ron Lendon) 16. 07:44 PM - Re: aileron trim kit (Southern Reflections) 17. 07:52 PM - Re: Bending leading edge skin (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 18. 08:06 PM - Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 (Jim Fosse) 19. 09:53 PM - Re: Jabiru engine coughing (T. Graziano) 20. 10:52 PM - Re: Jabiru engine choughing (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 and Corvair From: "zedvair" A possibility might be to wait for the CH750, which is reportedly bigger than the CH701, and might be a better candidate for the Corvair. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138591#138591 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 and Corvair From: "kmccune" I hate that! :o Last night I searched for corvair and 701 but I couldn't find a single topic. This morning they pop up... well like pop corn. :) Guess I had typing problems last night. Thanks -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138592#138592 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:47 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Getting all the little Chips out Hey Patrick, Excellent question. I just waited to rivet all of the skins until the entire skin-fitting process was done - leading edge included. I ended up having to dis-assemble the entire leading edge and remove the top and bottom skins so I could deburr the spar cap angle and clean out inside, but getting the chips and shavings out and deburring is that important to me. Since this is my hobby and I have no social life, the build for me is really about doing the best job I can - not necessarily the quickest. I'm definitely not the speediest of the bunch. Tape works great, as well as compressed air. Just don't seat chips and shavings deeper into nooks and crannies by blasting on them too aggressively with an air gun. I'm coming off sounding like "Mr. Clean", but just ask my wife, that's definitely NOT the case. There are actual aluminum shavings in my bed. Scary. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratch-built XL/Corvair First wing 98% done do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:23 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru engine choughing Hey guys/gals: I purchased a Jabiru powered CH 601 HD last week (in California). I did not have any problems flying it home (Central Florida) But when I went out yesterday, the engine wants to cough every minute or so. It really gets your attention. I have removed the cowling, checked the fuel for any foreign matter and looked carefully over all the engine connections to ensure that nothing has come loose or changed. So far it looks great. I must admit that I do not know what to check next. I was told prior to the purchase that the carburetor has the modifications for the leaner burn, and it ran great on the way home. Over 25 hours up at altitude (11,500 or 9,500) and burned about 4.5 gallons per hour at around 1400 degrees EGT. What do the Jabiru engine experts suggest? Thanks Lynn ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:24 AM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Bending leading edge skin Hello group ,yes it can be done the same as the Sonex .This morning I was amazed at how easy it was to form the leading edge skin using the vacuum method .It only took about one hour with the help of my lovely wife . The results are very satisfactory. Wade Jones ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:00 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru engine coughing What do the Jabiru engine experts suggest? Thanks Lynn Hi Lynn, I won't claim any expertise with the 3300 but I really enjoy mine. Why not contact Andy Silvester, your local distributor in FL, to ask him. Andy is always tactful and thorough in his answers and usually prompt. He will be the person you'll need for replacement parts and advice through your Jab flying days. http://www.suncoastjabiru.com/ A phone call Monday would be ideal. My suggestion would be you check all fuel strainers (if any) and especially the gascolator screen for foreign matter. Check the coil to magnets gap on both coils - should be .010. Go to Pete's valuable info site http://www.usjabiru.com/technical-tips.html and see if the "idle adjustment" settings are correct. Is this a "newer" engine with hydraulic lifters? If solid lifters, when did previous owner do last adjustment? How many hours on engine? Any possibility of water in gas since you're now in FL? best of luck jeff HDS/3300 305 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:13 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: Jabiru engine coughing -----------------------------1191777048-- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Usable Fuel From: "kmccune" Has anyone used a 3rd smaller tank in the fuselage, by plumbing both wing tanks to it and the plumbing this to the engine? It would only take a couple of gallons or less. And if you made the tank tall and narrow and place the outlet on the bottom, then most maneuvers would not effect fuel flow. Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138649#138649 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:41 PM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Jabiru engine coughing Hey Jeff: I forgot to include in my first message that I had checked the magnetos (New coils, rotors and caps less than 50 hours ago) and they showed about 15 RPM drop per side, but the engine did the same thing on left, right or both mags. The engine is the older, solid lifter variety and the previous owner states, as well as his log book entries, that the lifter clearances have been checked. I did not find any water in the fuel. The engine has less than 150 hours since new. Lynn ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft From: "txpilot" Two regulatory questions on E-AB aircraft for all the reg guru's: 1. Are E-AB aircraft required to carry an ELT? 2. Is it legal to sell a portion of your E-AB aircraft in the interest of creating a partnership, even if the new partner has not contributed to the aircraft's construction? Thanks for any responses. Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138670#138670 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:43 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft yes to both questions. George May 601xl 912s 162 hours> Subject: Zenith-List: Questions on regs for E-AB Airc raft> From: djg7@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:15:56 -0700> To: zen 7@comcast.net>> > Two regulatory questions on E-AB aircraft for all the reg guru's:> > 1. Are E-AB aircraft required to carry an ELT?> > 2. Is it lega l to sell a portion of your E-AB aircraft in the interest of creating a par tnership, even if the new partner has not contributed to the aircraft's con struction?> > Thanks for any responses.> > Dan Ginty> > > > > Read this top ic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138670#138 =================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:01 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit After getting all the in put from the "Heavy Wing Subject" It would appear to me the best avenue to take is the aileron trim kit from zenith . It appears that weight , fuel, balance is always going to be a on going issue. It would better to just touch a switch an keep every thing in balance. Any body know what the kit goes for ? Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Questions on regs for E-AB Aircraft From: "zedvair" gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote: > yes to both questions. > > technically "no" to the first, if the e-ab happens to be a single seat aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138674#138674 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:14 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit Lists for $330 on the Zenith website. I think that would be your cost whether it is ordered as an option when you buy the wing kit, the entire kit, or as an afterthought. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit After getting all the in put from the "Heavy Wing Subject" It would appear to me the best avenue to take is the aileron trim kit from zenith . It appears that weight , fuel, balance is always going to be a on going issue. It would better to just touch a switch an keep every thing in balance. Any body know what the kit goes for ? Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Getting all the little Chips out From: "Ron Lendon" Like Debo I too assemble everything and drill everything to final rivet size. Then it all gets taken apart, deburred, wiped down with alcohol or lacquer thinner, then I use a two part self etching primer. Let it dry 24hrs then reassemble it and rivet. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138682#138682 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:17 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit Thanks Dred, N101HD Joe ----- Original Message ----- Do not arc. From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit Lists for $330 on the Zenith website. I think that would be your cost whether it is ordered as an option when you buy the wing kit, the entire kit, or as an afterthought. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: aileron trim kit After getting all the in put from the "Heavy Wing Subject" It would appear to me the best avenue to take is the aileron trim kit from zenith . It appears that weight , fuel, balance is always going to be a on going issue. It would better to just touch a switch an keep every thing in balance. Any body know what the kit goes for ? Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:39 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bending leading edge skin Can you send me some more pics of the skin? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:36 PM PST US From: "Jim Fosse" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: In lite of the recent price discussion...CH 701 My 2 cents worth. I think you will regret it if you put a 230 lb engine on your 701. My Suzuki weighs in the neighborhood of 200 lbs. I had to put 30 pounds of ballast as far aft as I could to eliminate a nose heavy condition and lack of up elevator authority. In the process, what with the extra 50 lbs of engine and the 30 pounds of ballast, I have lost 80 lbs of useable load. The empty airplane weighs 0ver 700 lbs. So, with a full fuel load and my 190 lbs, I can carry a 90 lb passenger. The trade off, of course, is less fuel and less range. Jim Fosse CH 701 N329F Goreville, IL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 PM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Jabiru engine coughing Lynn, Don't know if it will help, but I once had the terminal end of one of my spark plugs (the little screw on tip) come completely loose. I noticed it when I removed the plug wire and saw the threaded end where the tip screws on. The tip was still in the plug wire boot end. I had had a "more than normal" rpm drop on a mag check (usually it is not really noticeable) and was going to check my plugs to see if one was fouling. I have found some of the terminal tip ends loose during my preventative maintenance checks and now always make sure they are all tightened. Could you better describe the conditions under which the cough occurs? Could you also better define the "cough"? And of course, if you do find the problem. please let us all know the corrective action. Based on my experience, I believe you are really going to like flying behind the Jab. Tony Graziano Zodiac 601XL; JAB 3300A; N493TG; 304 hours ---------- Subject: RE: Jabiru engine coughing From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Date: Sun Oct 07 - 4:42 PM Hey Jeff: I forgot to include in my first message that I had checked the magnetos (New coils, rotors and caps less than 50 hours ago) and they showed about 15 RPM drop per side, but the engine did the same thing on left, right or both mags. The engine is the older, solid lifter variety and the previous owner states, as well as his log book entries, that the lifter clearances have been checked. I did not find any water in the fuel. The engine has less than 150 hours since new. Lynn ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:32 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru engine choughing My carb caused 'coughing'. Take a look at the following post and let me know if it helped. In short, the slide was dirty + needed to be cleaned. http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=47830?KEYS=carburetor?LISTNAME=Jabiru?HITNUMBER=3?SERIAL=2243271361 Joe @ BFI N633Z, CH601XL Jabiru 3300, 492 hours On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 IFLYSMODEL@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys/gals: I purchased a Jabiru powered CH 601 HD last week (in > California). I did not have any problems flying it home (Central Florida) But when I > went out yesterday, the engine wants to cough every minute or so. It really > gets your attention. > I have removed the cowling, checked the fuel for any foreign matter and > looked carefully over all the engine connections to ensure that nothing has > come loose or changed. So far it looks great. I must admit that I do not know > what to check next. > I was told prior to the purchase that the carburetor has the > modifications for the leaner burn, and it ran great on the way home. Over 25 hours up at > altitude (11,500 or 9,500) and burned about 4.5 gallons per hour at around > 1400 degrees EGT. > What do the Jabiru engine experts suggest? > Thanks > Lynn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.